tricky99 said:

imago said:

Because, like House Party 3, you know it's going to be horrible already. And, it is only in your possession because it was part of the package that you had to buy.

There's really no god reason to listen to it.

And you know its going to be horrible because? You would think just good ole human curiosity is enough to give it a listen. You could throw it on while driving, while cleaning the house, while having dinner. The whole willful ignorance to me is just astounding.

Its a strange cult of personality that has some fans both in awe of Prince's talent and also completely dismissive of that same talent all within the same fan. I truly believe Prince's fans are stranger then he is lol.

Wait.

Are you serious?

imago said:

tricky99 said:

And you know its going to be horrible because? You would think just good ole human curiosity is enough to give it a listen. You could throw it on while driving, while cleaning the house, while having dinner. The whole willful ignorance to me is just astounding.

Its a strange cult of personality that has some fans both in awe of Prince's talent and also completely dismissive of that same talent all within the same fan. I truly believe Prince's fans are stranger then he is lol.

Wait.

Are you serious?

Oh absolutely. I know you like to play the kook on here but if you have a legit answer go for it. It must be horrible because what? Prince is not a good producer? Prince can't write songs? Bria can't sing?

It would have to be at least a combo of the those things to dismiss it out of hand without actually u know hearing it right? Otherwise its just opinion based on pure ignorance.

tricky99 said:

imago said:

Wait.

Are you serious?

Oh absolutely. I know you like to play the kook on here but if you have a legit answer go for it. It must be horrible because what? Prince is not a good producer? Prince can't write songs? Bria can't sing?

It would have to be at least a combo of the those things to dismiss it out of hand without actually u know hearing it right? Otherwise its just opinion based on pure ignorance.

Let's look at it from any sane person's point of view.

Let's say you're a Nirvana fan. And a 3-CD set is about to be released of studio recordings.

2 of then are Kurt Cobain's material, but bundled in the mix is Nickleback.

You mean to tell me you'd give the Nickleback album a spin?

Nah. Just skip it. You know it's going to be bad, even if they're singing songs Kurt wrote.

No reason to listen to it.

imago said:

tricky99 said:

Oh absolutely. I know you like to play the kook on here but if you have a legit answer go for it. It must be horrible because what? Prince is not a good producer? Prince can't write songs? Bria can't sing?

It would have to be at least a combo of the those things to dismiss it out of hand without actually u know hearing it right? Otherwise its just opinion based on pure ignorance.

Let's look at it from any sane person's point of view.

Let's say you're a Nirvana fan. And a 3-CD set is about to be released of studio recordings.

2 of then are Kurt Cobain's material, but bundled in the mix is Nickleback.

You mean to tell me you'd give the Nickleback album a spin?

Nah. Just skip it. You know it's going to be bad, even if they're singing songs Kurt wrote.

No reason to listen to it.

Poor comparison. Since Nickelback is a known commodity you might have some idea of what it would sound like. A sane person however would be curious what Nickelback would sound like performing NEW Kurt Cobain songs produced by Kurt. I would think any true Cobain fan would be interested in the results even if they were dubious going into it.

Unlike Nickelback Bria is/was a totally unknown commodity. Just as the Time, Jill Jones, Madhouse, are Shiela E were before being basically introduced to the world by Prince.

You are just a case of ingorance being passed off as some informed opinion when it isn't at all. Surely you are sane enough to understand that logically.

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tricky99 said:

imago said:

Let's look at it from any sane person's point of view.

Let's say you're a Nirvana fan. And a 3-CD set is about to be released of studio recordings.

2 of then are Kurt Cobain's material, but bundled in the mix is Nickleback.

You mean to tell me you'd give the Nickleback album a spin?

Nah. Just skip it. You know it's going to be bad, even if they're singing songs Kurt wrote.

No reason to listen to it.

1) Poor comparison. Since Nickelback is a known commodity you might have some idea of what it would sound like. A sane person however would be curious what Nickelback would sound like performing NEW Kurt Cobain songs produced by Kurt. I would think any true Cobain fan would be interested in the results even if they were dubious going into it.

Unlike Nickelback Bria is/was a totally unknown commodity. Just as the Time, Jill Jones, Madhouse, are Shiela E were before being basically introduced to the world by Prince.

2) You are just a case of ingorance being passed off as some informed opinion when it isn't at all. Surely you are sane enough to understand that logically.

[Edited 8/2/12 6:10am]

1) It's an appropriate comparison, because Prince has a history of proteges with questionable talent, and bundling the product with his would likely mean it couldn't stand on its own.

2) Well, this kook has a different opinion than yours, and I wholey support a person's decision to skip the album without giving it a try. As a matter of fact, they're almost guaranteed to thank me for this advice if they're duped into listening to that dreadful thing. It's a perfectly logical thing to do given Prince's history.

And the forthcoming (if Andy Allo lasts long enough) Andy Allo album will almost certainly be largely bypassed.

I just don't see why anyone would think it's such a stretch that folks don't want to bother with listening to a Bria album.

imago said:

tricky99 said:

1) Poor comparison. Since Nickelback is a known commodity you might have some idea of what it would sound like. A sane person however would be curious what Nickelback would sound like performing NEW Kurt Cobain songs produced by Kurt. I would think any true Cobain fan would be interested in the results even if they were dubious going into it.

Unlike Nickelback Bria is/was a totally unknown commodity. Just as the Time, Jill Jones, Madhouse, are Shiela E were before being basically introduced to the world by Prince.

2) You are just a case of ingorance being passed off as some informed opinion when it isn't at all. Surely you are sane enough to understand that logically.

[Edited 8/2/12 6:10am]

1) It's an appropriate comparison, because Prince has a history of proteges with questionable talent, and bundling the product with his would likely mean it couldn't stand on its own.

2) Well, this kook has a different opinion than yours, and I wholey support a person's decision to skip the album without giving it a try. As a matter of fact, they're almost guaranteed to thank me for this advice if they're duped into listening to that dreadful thing. It's a perfectly logical thing to do given Prince's history.

And the forthcoming (if Andy Allo lasts long enough) Andy Allo album will almost certainly be largely bypassed.

I just don't see why anyone would think it's such a stretch that folks don't want to bother with listening to a Bria album.

How would someone be duped into listening to it? How would a person know if they liked it without giving it a shot? It may indeed be dreadful to someone (not me) but that person should make that assessment after the fact not before.

I find it a stretch because on one hand you say I'm a huge fan of Prince but on the other hand i can't be bothered to engage his art simply because another person is involved in that said art.

I find that odd. Prince wrote the songs, played the instruments, produced the songs and even sang on the record yet somehow its not even worth 40 minutes of your time even though you claim to be this huge fan of Prince's. So much so that you actively log into a website dedicated to him and spend time debating and commenting on him and his art.

Its bizarre.

tricky99 said:

imago said:

1) It's an appropriate comparison, because Prince has a history of proteges with questionable talent, and bundling the product with his would likely mean it couldn't stand on its own.

2) Well, this kook has a different opinion than yours, and I wholey support a person's decision to skip the album without giving it a try. As a matter of fact, they're almost guaranteed to thank me for this advice if they're duped into listening to that dreadful thing. It's a perfectly logical thing to do given Prince's history.

And the forthcoming (if Andy Allo lasts long enough) Andy Allo album will almost certainly be largely bypassed.

I just don't see why anyone would think it's such a stretch that folks don't want to bother with listening to a Bria album.

How would someone be duped into listening to it? How would a person know if they liked it without giving it a shot? It may indeed be dreadful to someone (not me) but that person should make that assessment after the fact not before.

I find it a stretch because on one hand you say I'm a huge fan of Prince but on the other hand i can't be bothered to engage his art simply because another person is involved in that said art.

I find that odd. Prince wrote the songs, played the instruments, produced the songs and even sang on the record yet somehow its not even worth 40 minutes of your time even though you claim to be this huge fan of Prince's. So much so that you actively log into a website dedicated to him and spend time debating and commenting on him and his art.

Its bizarre.

It isn't bizaare at all.

tricky99 said:

imago said:

1) It's an appropriate comparison, because Prince has a history of proteges with questionable talent, and bundling the product with his would likely mean it couldn't stand on its own.

2) Well, this kook has a different opinion than yours, and I wholey support a person's decision to skip the album without giving it a try. As a matter of fact, they're almost guaranteed to thank me for this advice if they're duped into listening to that dreadful thing. It's a perfectly logical thing to do given Prince's history.

And the forthcoming (if Andy Allo lasts long enough) Andy Allo album will almost certainly be largely bypassed.

I just don't see why anyone would think it's such a stretch that folks don't want to bother with listening to a Bria album.

How would someone be duped into listening to it? How would a person know if they liked it without giving it a shot? It may indeed be dreadful to someone (not me) but that person should make that assessment after the fact not before.

I find it a stretch because on one hand you say I'm a huge fan of Prince but on the other hand i can't be bothered to engage his art simply because another person is involved in that said art.

I find that odd. Prince wrote the songs, played the instruments, produced the songs and even sang on the record yet somehow its not even worth 40 minutes of your time even though you claim to be this huge fan of Prince's. So much so that you actively log into a website dedicated to him and spend time debating and commenting on him and his art.

Its bizarre.

I find it bizarre too! I'm not trying to take sides here, but you provide excellent points tricky! This is not to dismiss 'imago' points. BUT how can you seriously judge something you never heard? I know you have reasons as you pointed out..BUT It's VERY ODD and a bit outside reality in my opinion for some people to come to the ORG; Already with these preconceived opinions on something they never heard. YET, they take their time to follow Prince and whatever he does commenting what's good and what is horrible...It makes no sense. AND I do think some people here whether they admit it or not; really are obsessed with Prince. You don't have to like everything he does, but the reasoning behind it as often his past. 'Don't Play Me.' The only competition is..well me...In the past".

What a true thing for Prince to say; because many people can't seem to get passed what he did earlier..lol

Nonetheless..

Going back to 'Elixir' which I feel is one of his most remarkable albums; I know if Prince kept this for himself it would not be viewed so badly. The production is outstanding, and Bria vocals are no Sade's (Who is though??) She does not sound weak or unconvincing. I feel the music, and Prince on the duet with her is ONE OF THE BEST BALLADS from Prince. I am like someone else here, I put the duet, on the same level as anything he did in the 80's. (The said can be said by many other songs on this CD and from Lotusflow3r,MPLsound) I'm not implying some of you are stuck on a particular delivery from Prince, but If someone likes something; they just do. It does not mean I don't have a knowledge of music, people like different things. AND I happen to love this CD, I let a couple of my friends borrow it with a diversified taste in music and many of them ended up loving it. Certainly situations like this depends on the variables. But to assume that NO one has a good reason to listen to something; is very conservative and unconventional. You can tell someone to not listen to it based on your experience BUT it won't stop those who are curious and simply those with desire to listen.

But to answer the question; YES...I do think people would love it and not critique it as Harshly! lol

EyeJester7 said:

tricky99 said:

How would someone be duped into listening to it? How would a person know if they liked it without giving it a shot? It may indeed be dreadful to someone (not me) but that person should make that assessment after the fact not before.

I find it a stretch because on one hand you say I'm a huge fan of Prince but on the other hand i can't be bothered to engage his art simply because another person is involved in that said art.

I find that odd. Prince wrote the songs, played the instruments, produced the songs and even sang on the record yet somehow its not even worth 40 minutes of your time even though you claim to be this huge fan of Prince's. So much so that you actively log into a website dedicated to him and spend time debating and commenting on him and his art.

Its bizarre.

I find it bizarre too! I'm not trying to take sides here, but you provide excellent points tricky! This is not to dismiss 'imago' points. BUT how can you seriously judge something you never heard? I know you have reasons as you pointed out..BUT It's VERY ODD and a bit outside reality in my opinion for some people to come to the ORG; Already with these preconceived opinions on something they never heard. YET, they take their time to follow Prince and whatever he does commenting what's good and what is horrible...It makes no sense. AND I do think some people here whether they admit it or not; really are obsessed with Prince. You don't have to like everything he does, but the reasoning behind it as often his past. 'Don't Play Me.' The only competition is..well me...In the past".

What a true thing for Prince to say; because many people can't seem to get passed what he did earlier..lol

Nonetheless..

Going back to 'Elixir' which I feel is one of his most remarkable albums; I know if Prince kept this for himself it would not be viewed so badly. The production is outstanding, and Bria vocals are no Sade's (Who is though??) She does not sound weak or unconvincing. I feel the music, and Prince on the duet with her is ONE OF THE BEST BALLADS from Prince. I am like someone else here, I put the duet, on the same level as anything he did in the 80's. (The said can be said by many other songs on this CD and from Lotusflow3r,MPLsound) I'm not implying some of you are stuck on a particular delivery from Prince, but If someone likes something; they just do. It does not mean I don't have a knowledge of music, people like different things. AND I happen to love this CD, I let a couple of my friends borrow it with a diversified taste in music and many of them ended up loving it. Certainly situations like this depends on the variables. But to assume that NO one has a good reason to listen to something; is very conservative and unconventional. You can tell someone to not listen to it based on your experience BUT it won't stop those who are curious and simply those with desire to listen.

But to answer the question; YES...I do think people would love it and not critique it as Harshly! lol

Thanks for the support lol. I have been enjoying your posts. U get a joy out of Prince that many don't seem to any more. They make it seem like a chore instead of a joy.

I also think the song elixir is outstanding. That so many people seemed so biased against Bria is to me just a sign of the cult like thing some fans have. Mention any woman Prince dates or works with and there will be somebody to slag her off.

Bria has a pretty average voice but its pleasant. Its far from being horrible the way some make it out to be. I have been interested in all of Prince's music whether he or someone else performs it. Whether it has lyrics or not. Whether it is this genre or that. A lot of fans are not interested in the artist as a whole. Only certain genres and time periods. They really IMO miss the overall talent that Prince is. And many refuse to let Prince change and age. I love the "peak" period as much as anyone but that is all it is a "peak". There are so so many songs that I treasure that do not fit into that so-called "peak".

tricky99 said:

EyeJester7 said:

I find it bizarre too! I'm not trying to take sides here, but you provide excellent points tricky! This is not to dismiss 'imago' points. BUT how can you seriously judge something you never heard? I know you have reasons as you pointed out..BUT It's VERY ODD and a bit outside reality in my opinion for some people to come to the ORG; Already with these preconceived opinions on something they never heard. YET, they take their time to follow Prince and whatever he does commenting what's good and what is horrible...It makes no sense. AND I do think some people here whether they admit it or not; really are obsessed with Prince. You don't have to like everything he does, but the reasoning behind it as often his past. 'Don't Play Me.' The only competition is..well me...In the past".

What a true thing for Prince to say; because many people can't seem to get passed what he did earlier..lol

Nonetheless..

Going back to 'Elixir' which I feel is one of his most remarkable albums; I know if Prince kept this for himself it would not be viewed so badly. The production is outstanding, and Bria vocals are no Sade's (Who is though??) She does not sound weak or unconvincing. I feel the music, and Prince on the duet with her is ONE OF THE BEST BALLADS from Prince. I am like someone else here, I put the duet, on the same level as anything he did in the 80's. (The said can be said by many other songs on this CD and from Lotusflow3r,MPLsound) I'm not implying some of you are stuck on a particular delivery from Prince, but If someone likes something; they just do. It does not mean I don't have a knowledge of music, people like different things. AND I happen to love this CD, I let a couple of my friends borrow it with a diversified taste in music and many of them ended up loving it. Certainly situations like this depends on the variables. But to assume that NO one has a good reason to listen to something; is very conservative and unconventional. You can tell someone to not listen to it based on your experience BUT it won't stop those who are curious and simply those with desire to listen.

But to answer the question; YES...I do think people would love it and not critique it as Harshly! lol

Thanks for the support lol. I have been enjoying your posts. U get a joy out of Prince that many don't seem to any more. They make it seem like a chore instead of a joy.

I also think the song elixir is outstanding. That so many people seemed so biased against Bria is to me just a sign of the cult like thing some fans have. Mention any woman Prince dates or works with and there will be somebody to slag her off.

Bria has a pretty average voice but its pleasant. Its far from being horrible the way some make it out to be. I have been interested in all of Prince's music whether he or someone else performs it. Whether it has lyrics or not. Whether it is this genre or that. A lot of fans are not interested in the artist as a whole. Only certain genres and time periods. They really IMO miss the overall talent that Prince is. And many refuse to let Prince change and age. I love the "peak" period as much as anyone but that is all it is a "peak". There are so so many songs that I treasure that do not fit into that so-called "peak".

Thank you very much! You are welcome! I do appreciate Prince; because when I really have time to think about all he has done for music, it's hard to dislike him. Sure we might see things that annoy us, but he really blessed the industry with so much and I do have respect and love for the guy! I mean he brings joy and happiness in my life, and I can't hide it. I'm thankful he's around!

Yeah..Elixir amazing ain't it? Bria is not a horrible singer and the fact is she sounds fresh. I don's know what people are listening but they are many horrible singers and she is not one of them. BUT because Prince was attached to her, and put her on his package she will be treated with unequal measure. I agree with you in respect to the artist as a whole. He will change and he will age, it's apart of life. If he did not he would be dead, and even when 'Prince' died, he still carried the merit of his name..(If that makes any sense? lol). Prince is living, and as long as he lives there will always be sound and space; what Prince chooses to do with the space and sound is up to his creative gestures. He does surprise at giving us sounds that reflect his thinking; I can't wait for what is next. I love the peak just as anyone else, but like you...I can take so many other songs worthy OUTSIDE his peak.

It's good to know you feel this way about his music; I think to some (And I hate to sound harsh..)

BUT..."Maybe it'll all make sense when he's dead.." It should not take tragedy to bring clarity, but if we are to focus our every attention on the bad we are really in the wrong mindset.

So therefore...I Dance On!

I'll probably get slaughtered for this but I never really had a problem with Bria's voice. It's pretty and it's at least pleasant to the ear.

Does it rock the world? No. Is Elixir the best cd ever? Nope. But I think a lot of times that Prince fans just like to shit on Prince protegees, just because they ARE Prince protegees, so right out the gate they roll their eyes and go, "Oh this is the latest broad he's fucking" and then the pile-on starts up...

tricky99 said:

EyeJester7 said:

I find it bizarre too! I'm not trying to take sides here, but you provide excellent points tricky! This is not to dismiss 'imago' points. BUT how can you seriously judge something you never heard? I know you have reasons as you pointed out..BUT It's VERY ODD and a bit outside reality in my opinion for some people to come to the ORG; Already with these preconceived opinions on something they never heard. YET, they take their time to follow Prince and whatever he does commenting what's good and what is horrible...It makes no sense. AND I do think some people here whether they admit it or not; really are obsessed with Prince. You don't have to like everything he does, but the reasoning behind it as often his past. 'Don't Play Me.' The only competition is..well me...In the past".

What a true thing for Prince to say; because many people can't seem to get passed what he did earlier..lol

Nonetheless..

Going back to 'Elixir' which I feel is one of his most remarkable albums; I know if Prince kept this for himself it would not be viewed so badly. The production is outstanding, and Bria vocals are no Sade's (Who is though??) She does not sound weak or unconvincing. I feel the music, and Prince on the duet with her is ONE OF THE BEST BALLADS from Prince. I am like someone else here, I put the duet, on the same level as anything he did in the 80's. (The said can be said by many other songs on this CD and from Lotusflow3r,MPLsound) I'm not implying some of you are stuck on a particular delivery from Prince, but If someone likes something; they just do. It does not mean I don't have a knowledge of music, people like different things. AND I happen to love this CD, I let a couple of my friends borrow it with a diversified taste in music and many of them ended up loving it. Certainly situations like this depends on the variables. But to assume that NO one has a good reason to listen to something; is very conservative and unconventional. You can tell someone to not listen to it based on your experience BUT it won't stop those who are curious and simply those with desire to listen.

But to answer the question; YES...I do think people would love it and not critique it as Harshly! lol

Thanks for the support lol. I have been enjoying your posts. U get a joy out of Prince that many don't seem to any more. They make it seem like a chore instead of a joy.

I also think the song elixir is outstanding. That so many people seemed so biased against Bria is to me just a sign of the cult like thing some fans have. Mention any woman Prince dates or works with and there will be somebody to slag her off.

Bria has a pretty average voice but its pleasant. Its far from being horrible the way some make it out to be. I have been interested in all of Prince's music whether he or someone else performs it. Whether it has lyrics or not. Whether it is this genre or that. A lot of fans are not interested in the artist as a whole. Only certain genres and time periods. They really IMO miss the overall talent that Prince is. And many refuse to let Prince change and age. I love the "peak" period as much as anyone but that is all it is a "peak". There are so so many songs that I treasure that do not fit into that so-called "peak".

oh please. They're just giving opinions.

The title cut is an absolute "MasterPiece"....

[Edited 8/4/12 20:06pm]

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

The title cut is is an absolute "MasterPiece"....

Overkill, but I do believe that if she wasn't a Prince protegee, she'd get wayyyy less flack than she does.

It doesn't help either that Prince referred to her in the same sentence as Sade, that pretty much set her up to fail too.

thedance said:

I own the Lotus 3-cd..

however, I still havent listened to Elixer, I expect it too be another crap recording..

I also owned the 3-CD set and didn't listen to Elixer - until recently.

My reasons weren't quite as diabolical or cynical as some might make it out to be.

At the time, I just didn't have time to sit through 3 CDs, so of course I gave Lotus & MPLSound a listen first; then time went on and I just forgot about it.

Listened to it recently and it's actually quite good! I really like a lot, though not all, of the songs. And yes, "Elixir" is one of the best sultry/sexual burner songs he's had in a while. She keeps up in the duet, but he's obviously the better singer.

The songs are too good for Bria's vocals. I can tell some of them are quite good despite her bland vocals. Some of the lyrics are top-notch Prince. I still listen to many of the songs on Elixier.

These songs in the hands of an artist like George Michael would have been killer. I keep imagining him singing "Something You Already Know," "Another Boy," "All This Love,""Immersion," and even "Everytime" ... Imagine if P gave these songs to GM - a missed opportunity.

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