Prince is the ultimate modern entertainer/musician. He has nothing left to prove. He is at peace now, as he's previously stated.

I'm incredibly greatfull that he chooses to keep things going by releasing stellar albums that put most to shame and yet for Prince, can be debated as being by-the-numbers. I'm greatfull he continues to tour hits mixed with rare tracks, followed by aftershows containing an old school approach to musicianship and performing. Both shows contain the greatest live performances on the planet at both ends of the spectrum (because he can do it all), regardless of what I want.

You see, whether i would want him to do another Rainbow Children and non-hits tour is a personal preference and when the above is said about someone at peace, i'm not sure how i can get upset or frustrated about it when he doesn't do what, ultimately, I want.....and if i did, wouldn't that be a little selfish?

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kidmelody2012 said:

HonestMan13 said:

You joined the ORG 5 days ago and this was all you could come up with? Another "He's lost it, he ain't funky no more!" thread. You should've waited another day.

But I am right? prince is on crusie control...the little red corvette has turned into a green dodge minivan!

I'd have to ask how old you are and exactly how many shows you've attended to form your opinion.

catpark said:

imago said:

Prince could easily attach album sales to ticket sales like he did in Musicology and have at least certified gold albums for the rest of his life, not to mention making the lion's share of the sales.

But, I don't think the rationales that I've read and heard so far with regards to why he's not been releasing material are at all satisfactory. Something else is going on, and I can't put my finger on it.

I do think some of his previous releases are ones in which he probably wanted larger hits--I mean, lotusflow3r was heavily promoted at the beginning, complete with the release of not one....but four songs to a radio program months before release. He also performed on Ellen, etc. and did interviews to promote it.

But, it takes real arrogance to set up that dreadful lotusflow3r.com website, charge what he charged, and then turn around and deliver crap when sales weren't what he expected.

I don't know what his current motivations are, but I don't think he's retired, and I don't think what any of the theories for why he's holding back actually make much sense. But, I've learned long ago not to try to figure him out. He'll definately release stuff--I just won't be assured anymore that it is yearly, like the material in his younger years....that mentranom has long stopped ticking.

You know I've had this conversation many times with bf with these things you've posted. After many debates the other half mention to me recently saying-

Prince could be doing this on purpose-intentionally trying to detract himself from the industry slowly reeling himself out, not from his own choice mind you.

Because his recent actions are bizarre especially with episodes of the lotusflower website and its contents, his detachment from the web where he was one of the pioneers, it’s like he’s pulling away on purpose. How the last few albums have been released and the type of music he has created etc is odd. He knows more than most on how to make a hit and cutting edge music. The repetition of the hits concerts its like hes programmed.

Maybe he does want out of the industry but is not able to just leave because of reason unbeknownst to us, like for all we know he could be being getting threatened /legally pushed, making him want out of the industry.

I’ve really never looked at it like that before. But who knows for sure but I think it could be plausible. Or hes just mad as a box of frogs

The LotusFlower website debacle should be a very clear sign to everyone that signed up that this guy can be a total asshole - he ripped a lot of people off and stole their money. It's not cool but the egomaniac that he is suggests that he doesn't totally understand the common person anymore.

As far as writing hits and making cutting edge music are concerned, I would recommend that you go and listen to other musicians. Prince hasn't made a cutting edge record in 20 years.

Stop the delusion!

WetDream said:

Prince is the ultimate modern entertainer/musician. He has nothing left to prove. He is at peace now, as he's previously stated.

I'm incredibly greatfull that he chooses to keep things going by releasing stellar albums that put most to shame and yet for Prince, can be debated as being by-the-numbers. I'm greatfull he continues to tour hits mixed with rare tracks, followed by aftershows containing an old school approach to musicianship and performing. Both shows contain the greatest live performances on the planet at both ends of the spectrum (because he can do it all), regardless of what I want.

You see, whether i would want him to do another Rainbow Children and non-hits tour is a personal preference and when the above is said about someone at peace, i'm not sure how i can get upset or frustrated about it when he doesn't do what, ultimately, I want.....and isn't that a little selfish?

Prince has plenty to prove - sure his career from 1978 to 1995 was pretty damn interesting but what has he done in the past 20 years? He's writing songs that only him, Larry, Tina and whoever else is under the influence gets.

Poor guy - Eric Leeds' wife said that this Prince thing would end up in a tiny Purple Church somewhere.

Prince doesn't think he's caught in the 70's, he thinks his music is for the future, and we're just not ready for every musical throw up he records.

He can't edit himself, and he sure as hell doesn't have the awareness to know his last records are out of step. He thinks it's the industry, or something wrong with the world, and probably thinks he can record a vault of hits again if he ever felt like it. He can't.

He'll play the hits, and grind it out like a working musician, or Las Vega act if it means making a living and keeping himself high off performing for audiences. His in his prime performance wise.

jayARDAHB said:

catpark said:

You know I've had this conversation many times with bf with these things you've posted. After many debates the other half mention to me recently saying-

Prince could be doing this on purpose-intentionally trying to detract himself from the industry slowly reeling himself out, not from his own choice mind you.

Because his recent actions are bizarre especially with episodes of the lotusflower website and its contents, his detachment from the web where he was one of the pioneers, it’s like he’s pulling away on purpose. How the last few albums have been released and the type of music he has created etc is odd. He knows more than most on how to make a hit and cutting edge music. The repetition of the hits concerts its like hes programmed.

Maybe he does want out of the industry but is not able to just leave because of reason unbeknownst to us, like for all we know he could be being getting threatened /legally pushed, making him want out of the industry.

I’ve really never looked at it like that before. But who knows for sure but I think it could be plausible. Or hes just mad as a box of frogs

The LotusFlower website debacle should be a very clear sign to everyone that signed up that this guy can be a total asshole - he ripped a lot of people off and stole their money. It's not cool but the egomaniac that he is suggests that he doesn't totally understand the common person anymore.

As far as writing hits and making cutting edge music are concerned, I would recommend that you go and listen to other musicians. Prince hasn't made a cutting edge record in 20 years.

Stop the delusion!

I thought the lotus site was bad, but thats how he wanted it. Thats my point Prince knows how to make a good site, the npgmc was excellent for stuff, thats the bit I don’t understand why would he put out a site like that? I think there was more to it than meets the eye imo.

Egomaniac? hmmm, well hes the boss of a lot of people, always having to make sure everything is right and precise for others, if he doesn’t do as expected from others he gets called names like an arsehole. You stand in his shoes bet you wouldn't last day, majority of artist in his position have not made it and have either ended up dead, crazy, junkies or just plain washed up.

To say he hasn’t made any cutting edge music in 20 years is ridiculous and just your opinion. There is plenty of people who think hes made some great music. The albums like Come, TRC, NEWS, The Slaughterhouse and Lotusflower, are some of his finest works and there are plenty of other songs here, and there that are brilliant pieces. I listen and see plenty of other artists all the time, more than Prince these days to be honest, and as an aspiring musician myself I know that Prince has it in him to make plenty of cutting edge music. Trust, Prince knows his shit!

catpark said:

jayARDAHB said:

The LotusFlower website debacle should be a very clear sign to everyone that signed up that this guy can be a total asshole - he ripped a lot of people off and stole their money. It's not cool but the egomaniac that he is suggests that he doesn't totally understand the common person anymore.

As far as writing hits and making cutting edge music are concerned, I would recommend that you go and listen to other musicians. Prince hasn't made a cutting edge record in 20 years.

Stop the delusion!

I thought the lotus site was bad, but thats how he wanted it. Thats my point Prince knows how to make a good site, the npgmc was excellent for stuff, thats the bit I don’t understand why would he put out a site like that? I think there was more to it than meets the eye imo.

Egomaniac? hmmm, well hes the boss of a lot of people, always having to make sure everything is right and precise for others, if he doesn’t do as expected from others he gets called names like an arsehole. You stand in his shoes bet you wouldn't last day, majority of artist in his position have not made it and have either ended up dead, crazy, junkies or just plain washed up.

To say he hasn’t made any cutting edge music in 20 years is ridiculous and just your opinion. There is plenty of people who think hes made some great music. The albums like Come, TRC, NEWS, The Slaughterhouse and Lotusflower, are some of his finest works and there are plenty of other songs here, and there that are brilliant pieces. I listen and see plenty of other artists all the time, more than Prince these days to be honest, and as an aspiring musician myself I know that Prince has it in him to make plenty of cutting edge music. Trust, Prince knows his shit!

Granted Prince has struck a chord with all of us here at the org and continues to with some of you, to even begin to think that Prince is going to release music that is cutting edge/hip/leading the direction for other artists again is without a doubt that one thing that indicates just how far out some of the orgers are today.

I'm a musician myself and I recognize just how awesome the guy is at playing - I also see just how bored the guy is of playing and composing. Like anyone at their job, after doing it for 35 years, not only do you develop habits but you also more times than not, get bored. Some time away from the studio just might be what the doctor called for.

Yes. Prince is amazing artist, but he is lazy and likes drugs, that's why there is no album and no more tours. Plus he is getting old(under his make-up and shiny clothes) and tired.

Judging by 20Ten I would say yes, it was written on autotune, Everybody loves me and Compassion are utter shite. I think MPLSound was his last great gasp of greatness.

Prince is 54 and he has a 35 year body of great muci behind him. I think he has done enough to earn his retirement and just enjoy life as the Funk God he is.

hmmm.... He's still touring and still recording. He's probably still making videos. I think he is collating right now, just like Ash.

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Spinlight said:

GoldenParachute said:

Kill yourselves.

Calm down, psycho. You are no better.

I suggested Prince bit an MC Hammer lyric a couple of weeks ago and was told I shouldn't post on the Org anymore and was ridiculed beyond belief. And some fucker wishes death on Prince and he's defended?!? Fuck that bullshit.

The org has some twisted shit ha'nen.

Spanky out.

irinact said:

Yes. Prince is amazing artist, but he is lazy and likes drugs, that's why there is no album and no more tours. Plus he is getting old(under his make-up and shiny clothes) and tired.

jehovah cant have drugs

When was the last time P did a decent regular 'concept' show?

I.e.: where his performance did not circle around and depend on his old hits.

Was that in 2002? (ONA...)

If so: He has quit for the past ten years.

Is it possible that even if he has quit, doesn't he deserve to live off the fruits of his labor. Prince has worked the equivalent of 30 years on the assembly line for Chrysler and Ford and maybe wants to live off his legacy, the same way a retiree would live off his or her pension. I want more Prince music like anyone else, but the cat put his time in, his place in the pantheon of music greats is secure. If he was lazy, then his career would have faded like Ready For The World, Rick James or El DeBarge.

Only 30 years?

For us it'll be over 40 years thanks to the greedy bastards and lousy politicians.

GoldenParachute said:

RodeoSchro said:

x 432,095. LMFAO, brilliant!

Kill yourselves.

You all are insane.

jayARDAHB said:

catpark said:

I thought the lotus site was bad, but thats how he wanted it. Thats my point Prince knows how to make a good site, the npgmc was excellent for stuff, thats the bit I don’t understand why would he put out a site like that? I think there was more to it than meets the eye imo.

Egomaniac? hmmm, well hes the boss of a lot of people, always having to make sure everything is right and precise for others, if he doesn’t do as expected from others he gets called names like an arsehole. You stand in his shoes bet you wouldn't last day, majority of artist in his position have not made it and have either ended up dead, crazy, junkies or just plain washed up.

To say he hasn’t made any cutting edge music in 20 years is ridiculous and just your opinion. There is plenty of people who think hes made some great music. The albums like Come, TRC, NEWS, The Slaughterhouse and Lotusflower, are some of his finest works and there are plenty of other songs here, and there that are brilliant pieces. I listen and see plenty of other artists all the time, more than Prince these days to be honest, and as an aspiring musician myself I know that Prince has it in him to make plenty of cutting edge music. Trust, Prince knows his shit!

Granted Prince has struck a chord with all of us here at the org and continues to with some of you, to even begin to think that Prince is going to release music that is cutting edge/hip/leading the direction for other artists again is without a doubt that one thing that indicates just how far out some of the orgers are today.

I'm a musician myself and I recognize just how awesome the guy is at playing - I also see just how bored the guy is of playing and composing. Like anyone at their job, after doing it for 35 years, not only do you develop habits but you also more times than not, get bored. Some time away from the studio just might be what the doctor called for.

“Hip”? The day he becomes “hip” I'm off!

And I never said he "leading the direction for other artists again" that sounds like your expectation not mine or for many others. Prince doesn’t need prove himself or be a direction for no one anymore, he already has.

If you think that the orgers are “out there” for liking his some of his music hes done for the past 20 years then yeah I’m out there. If I didn’t like any of his work for the past 2 decades omg I certainly wouldn’t be here whining about it.

Ok habits do form this I very much agree with, but if you have had the body of work he has I’m sure you would be the same. And the things your complaining about do you think you could do it better than him? Name me one artist of his calibre or anyone thats still out there having the same level of musical popularity as they were when they were in their 20’s and 30’s?

My previous post was not about his abilities. The point is the way the industry has changed was exactly what he was routing for back in the day being one of the pioneers and being quite verbal about it too

Now he has the freedom, he is detaching himself more and more from it. Why hes doing that only he knows.

needs one them big wales saying sumptin big coming..

"Prince is this...", "Prince is that..." and not a single person other than Prince knows for sure what Prince is feeling and what he's got planned. Everytime he takes a noticeable break between projects these "boredom" threads pop up then as soon as something gets released the "he needs a break" threads start. Pop a vicodin and settle down.

HonestMan13 said:

"Prince is this...", "Prince is that..." and not a single person other than Prince knows for sure what Prince is feeling and what he's got planned. Everytime he takes a noticeable break between projects these "boredom" threads pop up then as soon as something gets released the "he needs a break" threads start. Pop a vicodin and settle down.

HonestMan13 said:

"Prince is this...", "Prince is that..." and not a single person other than Prince knows for sure what Prince is feeling and what he's got planned. Everytime he takes a noticeable break between projects these "boredom" threads pop up then as soon as something gets released the "he needs a break" threads start. Pop a vicodin and settle down.

PREACH, HONESTMAN13! PREACH!!!! lmao

NeonCraxx said:

HonestMan13 said:

"Prince is this...", "Prince is that..." and not a single person other than Prince knows for sure what Prince is feeling and what he's got planned. Everytime he takes a noticeable break between projects these "boredom" threads pop up then as soon as something gets released the "he needs a break" threads start. Pop a vicodin and settle down.

PREACH, HONESTMAN13! PREACH!!!! lmao

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jayARDAHB said:

NeonCraxx said:

PREACH, HONESTMAN13! PREACH!!!! lmao

[Snip - luv4u]

[Snip - luv4u]

kidmelody2012 said:

Prince is Awesome! However it seems in last 10 years he has kinda mailed it in as far as his albums because I think he has lost his motivation to be good. He tours now constantly doing the hits but I think he is frustrated with himself because he seems to be caught in time machine(1970's) and music has passed him by. He can't sell any albums or songs now so he knows he has to tour constantly to make money.I just don't see fire in his eyes no more! its like I'm the greatest and I have nothing to prove which is sad!Do you think Prince has Quit on himself as an artist?

I dont think he'll quit right now. But Selling Music For him has become harder than before, because the industry Has changed. To sell music Right Now he needs to use Itunes, Youtube, and stuff Like that, And He refuses to do it. It's not Like you go to a store and wait for hours Till you get your LP, Times are changing And you don't even need to go Out of your house to buy something...

It would be great If he takes his time to rest of the business and then He starts to make music again...

kidmelody2012 said:

Prince is Awesome! However it seems in last 10 years he has kinda mailed it in as far as his albums because I think he has lost his motivation to be good. He tours now constantly doing the hits but I think he is frustrated with himself because he seems to be caught in time machine(1970's) and music has passed him by. He can't sell any albums or songs now so he knows he has to tour constantly to make money.I just don't see fire in his eyes no more! its like I'm the greatest and I have nothing to prove which is sad!Do you think Prince has Quit on himself as an artist?

I dont think he'll quit right now. But Selling Music For him has become harder than before, because the industry Has changed. To sell music Right Now he needs to use Itunes, Youtube, and stuff Like that, And He refuses to do it. It's not Like you go to a store and wait for hours Till you get your LP, Times are changing And you don't even need to go Out of your house to buy something...

It would be great If he takes his time to rest of the business and then He starts to make music again...

jayARDAHB said:

NeonCraxx said:

PREACH, HONESTMAN13! PREACH!!!! lmao

[Snip - luv4u]

I'm getting shit from you because I agreed what HonestGuy said?! Are you serious?

Please, you've been on my case for months because I often defend Prince on certain things. Sure, you have a right to get your thoughts out and I have the right to think it's a bullshit thought. Big deal!

Stick to your mathematics blog because message boards clearly aren't your thing.

electricberet said:

Can someone remind me why I keep coming into this forum?

GIOShokadelica said:

I dont think he'll quit right now. But Selling Music For him has become harder than before, because the industry Has changed. To sell music Right Now he needs to use Itunes, Youtube, and stuff Like that, And He refuses to do it. It's not Like you go to a store and wait for hours Till you get your LP, Times are changing And you don't even need to go Out of your house to buy something...

It would be great If he takes his time to rest of the business and then He starts to make music again...

Exactly. That's why Prince should do something that would be interesting to the majority of people.

He could start with something like AI or The Voice judge. Or make his own musical show on TV that would attract viewers with different backgrounds and ages.