Tremolina said:

databank said:

I don't understand your point: Prince had to deliver a certain number of albums under his own name (or the symbol, but not side-projects sung by Sonny T. and Mayte) in order to escape his contract. TGE was one of these albums. Nothing was settled at all, and Prince got away from WB as soon as he could.

For sure there was a settlement.

Prince was supposed to deliver at least 6 albums under the name "Prince" exclusively to WB. But WB did not want that to happen as fast as he wanted and also not the way he wanted it. They paid him huge advances and wanted to excercise more control over his releases as well as take more time to promote an album than before, in order to maximise sales. But Prince wanted to be "free" aka have more control on whatever he wanted to do. From what is known, he didn't have permission - at first, to go out there and release albums under a new name, let alone a symbol as a name. Let alone declaring Prince "dead" and "the artist" a "slave"while blackballing WB wherever he could. The pseudonyms and new labels he used were genious, but those other actions were brutal. P really was at war. And in the end they went along with fullfilling the contract faster than they intended at first, and letting him go. Even if they were legally right, they didn't really have a choice, except than to lose out even more on sales and reputation.

In the first months of 1996, a termination agreement had been worked out that would allow Prince to leave the label after delivering two more albums instead of the three that he still owed them at that time. Prince also agreed to a reduction of his advances on royalties. Allegedly, Russ Thuret, one of the few remaining execs who had been with WB back when Prince first signed with them had been instrumental in getting Prince out of the deal.

The termination agreement was signed on April 26, 1996, at a meeting where Prince handed Warner Bros. Chaos And Disorder and The Vault: Old Friends 4 Sale, and told them these were the last they should expect from him.

http://prince.org/wiki/1992_Contract

[Edited 7/18/12 13:43pm]

What I meant was that they never made peace and no one was satisfied with TGE's realease, neither Prince nor WB.

KoolEaze said:

ufoclub said:

ah, I thought those all were released under Warner's umbrella, which is why I was questioning this dispute scenario. I stand corrected.

The record company that released The Exodus in Germany ( and the rest of Europe ) was Edel Records....a rather small and not that prestigeous record label that has somewhat of a dubious reputation but ....Exodus was easily available over here , and that´s what matters. I think in the USA the album was released, albeit much later, under the WB umbrella.

It wasn't. Ever.

databank said:

KoolEaze said:

The record company that released The Exodus in Germany ( and the rest of Europe ) was Edel Records....a rather small and not that prestigeous record label that has somewhat of a dubious reputation but ....Exodus was easily available over here , and that´s what matters. I think in the USA the album was released, albeit much later, under the WB umbrella.

It wasn't. Ever.

Who relased the vinyl edition of Exodus (which I bought)? It was much much later like in 2000.

ufoclub said:

databank said:

It wasn't. Ever.

Who relased the vinyl edition of Exodus (which I bought)? It was much much later like in 2000.

I was going to ask Databank the same question because I´m pretty sure that I´ve seen a vinyl version with the WB logo on it. Maybe a promo?

KoolEaze said:

ufoclub said:

Who relased the vinyl edition of Exodus (which I bought)? It was much much later like in 2000.

I was going to ask Databank the same question because I´m pretty sure that I´ve seen a vinyl version with the WB logo on it. Maybe a promo?

All ties between Prince and WB were broken in 2000, Prince definitely owns the masters to this one and anyway I certainly don't see why WB woulda wanted to release such an obscure project 5 years after all promotion had been ceased. Prince has sometimes and strangely rereleased or planned to rerelease some Paisley Park and NPG stuff long after their original release so it may have been a late NPG re-release without WB, but I saw no trace of it anywhere.

I'm also ready to admit that there may have been promo or test pressings in the USA before the US release got shelved in 1995, but no trace anywhere either. I've been surprised before by discovering the existence of Prince releases that were so rare that they hadn't been identified for years, but unless somebody can provide further evidence it seems unlikely that a commercial release, even very limited, ever took place in the US.

Princevault mentions only the CD release and the only LP release that's mentioned on Discogs is German (i.e. released thru Edel). These websites, though, aren't comprehensive, so I don't know.

ufoclub said:

databank said:

It wasn't. Ever.

Who relased the vinyl edition of Exodus (which I bought)? It was much much later like in 2000.

I got both the CD and vinyl as German imports from Goldmine in 1995. Both are NPG/Edel releases.

Never heard of a vinyl release from 2000. Was it reissued?

databank said:

Tremolina said:

[Edited 7/18/12 13:43pm]

What I meant was that they never made peace and no one was satisfied with TGE's realease, neither Prince nor WB.

I guess we are both not following eachother...

No biggie!

I bought the vinyl straight from Prince's online music club. Just like "The War" cd.

Funky as in sucks funky? lol

2freaky4church1 said:

Funky as in sucks funky? lol

???

Are you saying Exodus sucks? I really can't tell...

Tremolina said:

databank said:

What I meant was that they never made peace and no one was satisfied with TGE's realease, neither Prince nor WB.

I guess we are both not following eachother...

No biggie!

ufoclub said:

I bought the vinyl straight from Prince's online music club. Just like "The War" cd.

I see. For it to be a proper re-release it would need to have a new copyright indicia with the year 2000, or otherwise it may as well be from a couple of boxes Prince had kept since 1995, either from Edel or WB. Prince went to extremes such as poor-quality home-made copies of The Beautiful Experience video, but when it comes to a vinyl I think it probably wasn't pressed again just for the online NPG Store.

Don't you still have it? The simplest would be to look at it and see if there's a WB logo and post a beautiful picture here

I don't mean to doubt you, I just wish we could sort it out

databank said:

ufoclub said:

I bought the vinyl straight from Prince's online music club. Just like "The War" cd.

I see. For it to be a proper re-release it would need to have a new copyright indicia with the year 2000, or otherwise it may as well be from a couple of boxes Prince had kept since 1995, either from Edel or WB. Prince went to extremes such as poor-quality home-made copies of The Beautiful Experience video, but when it comes to a vinyl I think it probably wasn't pressed again just for the online NPG Store.

Don't you still have it? The simplest would be to look at it and see if there's a WB logo and post a beautiful picture here

I don't mean to doubt you, I just wish we could sort it out

I gave the record to a friend as a birthday gift, but I asked him to send a pic of it inside and out.

wow, the goldnigga CD has no label or publishing info, no copyright, nothing. Not on the back, the spine, the cd label. Just photo layouts the titles of songs, and the album title.

I've never seen that on a pro CD.

ufoclub said:

databank said:

I see. For it to be a proper re-release it would need to have a new copyright indicia with the year 2000, or otherwise it may as well be from a couple of boxes Prince had kept since 1995, either from Edel or WB. Prince went to extremes such as poor-quality home-made copies of The Beautiful Experience video, but when it comes to a vinyl I think it probably wasn't pressed again just for the online NPG Store.

Don't you still have it? The simplest would be to look at it and see if there's a WB logo and post a beautiful picture here

I don't mean to doubt you, I just wish we could sort it out

I gave the record to a friend as a birthday gift, but I asked him to send a pic of it inside and out.

wonder if it had the "you must get free!" "can't have any other contractual obligations" segue? :lol:that would be messed.

Yeah, I don't remember that one from the online store but I remember getting the vhs of "the Beautiful Experience" and I'm not sure if it was sold at NPG store but some vinyl of "Rave" and I have about 25 copies of "Rave in2" cd! sold some on ebay but holding like 15 copies, just don't have time to go to post office now but I should I think they are worth $150?

I'm not doubting you. They were selling boat loads of promo stuff and one of the celeb's and some of it was rare and mainly stamped promo. One dude that hung out at PP from am to closing told me about promo stuff they would drag out to the floor and it would be gone when I checked in. Would love to see a pic and if your mind is foggy as mine and ends up being NPG/Edel thats alright.

ufoclub said:

wow, the goldnigga CD has no label or publishing info, no copyright, nothing. Not on the back, the spine, the cd label. Just photo layouts the titles of songs, and the album title.

I've never seen that on a pro CD.

I got screwed. I got the version without "Guess Who's knockin'"

Several people testified here that the first Segue on the vinyl version of Exodus (not the intro) does contain the "fuck" that is humorously censored in the CD version. A fact Princevault doesn't acknowledge.

databank said:

Several people testified here that the first Segue on the vinyl version of Exodus (not the intro) does contain the "fuck" that is humorously censored in the CD version. A fact Princevault doesn't acknowledge.

My vinyl copy has the same "censored" version that is on the CD.

controversy99 said:

Is there a funkier Prince album than Exodus? That thing is banging. Top 3 Prince funk albums: 1. The Time, The Time 1. NPG, Exodus 3. Prince, Dirty Mind Yep, the top 2 are a tie. It's so hard to choose.

i tend to agree but "the exodus has begun" has to be P's most slammin' George Clinton-esque song ever. That song is just a big fat funk wallop. Actually that song doesn't really get the respect it deserves its Epic.

djThunderfunk said:

databank said:

Several people testified here that the first Segue on the vinyl version of Exodus (not the intro) does contain the "fuck" that is humorously censored in the CD version. A fact Princevault doesn't acknowledge.

My vinyl copy has the same "censored" version that is on the CD.

That's very odd. I'm CERTAIN that some pple mentioned a difference but I may have gotten confused about which it was: isn't there any other difference whatsoever?

Or are there different versions of the vynil? Or were the orgers mistaken?

databank said:

djThunderfunk said:

My vinyl copy has the same "censored" version that is on the CD.

That's very odd. I'm CERTAIN that some pple mentioned a difference but I may have gotten confused about which it was: isn't there any other difference whatsoever?

Or are there different versions of the vynil? Or were the orgers mistaken?

I remember reading about that, too. I rushed to pull out my vinyl, cued it up, was very disappointed to find the same "censored" bit, glitch, whatever, that is on the CD version.

djThunderfunk said:

databank said:

That's very odd. I'm CERTAIN that some pple mentioned a difference but I may have gotten confused about which it was: isn't there any other difference whatsoever?

Or are there different versions of the vynil? Or were the orgers mistaken?

I remember reading about that, too. I rushed to pull out my vinyl, cued it up, was very disappointed to find the same "censored" bit, glitch, whatever, that is on the CD version.

There is a "fuck" later in that same segue that is NOT censored on the CD, could it be that it's been censored on the LP and that would be our difference? Could u please check?

databank said:

djThunderfunk said:

I remember reading about that, too. I rushed to pull out my vinyl, cued it up, was very disappointed to find the same "censored" bit, glitch, whatever, that is on the CD version.

There is a "fuck" later in that same segue that is NOT censored on the CD, could it be that it's been censored on the LP and that would be our difference? Could u please check?

I have checked in the past. The vinyl copy I have is identical to the CD copy I have. Fuck is said many times throughout the album, that is why it was always weird that it was censored, and why I believe it wasn't censored but is instead a glitch in the master.

If anybody has a copy on vinyl, CD, or otherwise that does not have this glitch, censored bit, whatever, I would love to know what pressing it was. I would not hesitate to buy a third copy of the album if I knew for sure that the glitch was fixed.

Very odd... Anyone knows what this difference between CD & LP was supposed to be and where the rumor came from?

As for the glitch being a glitch... I don't buy this, it would be too odd that for one thing P wouldn't have noticed it at pre-mastering stage and that of all places it would happen on a profanity. I'm quite sure it's there as a mere joke, a fuck censored in an album full of fucks . There are some sexual words censored in a similar manner on Lovesexy (the song) as well, despite some of the album's other content being very explicit, sexually speaking, and nonetheless uncensored, so it's something P had already done earlier.

SuperFurryAnimal said:

controversy99 said:

Is there a funkier Prince album than Exodus? That thing is banging. Top 3 Prince funk albums: 1. The Time, The Time 1. NPG, Exodus 3. Prince, Dirty Mind Yep, the top 2 are a tie. It's so hard to choose.

i tend to agree but "the exodus has begun" has to be P's most slammin' George Clinton-esque song ever. That song is just a big fat funk wallop. Actually that song doesn't really get the respect it deserves its Epic.

I certainly agree!