This has been discussed countless times before, but I would like further explanation, deeper than what has already been explained concerning Prince and his career choices preserving his legacy. I believe he is an icon, so he really does not have to 'Preserve' anything..But what about keeping it updated through social media?

Considering the discussion about Prince ending his deal with UMPG, so many of you all have expressed the notion that Prince has failed at reaching the success he could ascertain, due to his hunger for money and his overall control. (I'm not saying; his decision with UMPG is a failure or anything of the sort..I actually think it's a + in some regards)

Rather; this topic is inspired by the statements of many of you here (And around the world), able to see the failure in Prince's ability to really maximize on the potential he has been given.

I am curious to know why he is perceived 'Money Hungry'; while we don't know...and can only assume; I can't help but guess why is; he (seemingly) is very controlling regarding his material and how he is known.

It seems as if tours are the only medium where he wishes to preserve his legacy. (That's it's happening of course, because there are no DVD's With the exception of Rave/One Nite Alone) I'd like to think that Prince has a plan for all of his material to be released. He has some kind of method where all his recordings/films/ etc will be released in some massive way. I only think this way; because it keeps me SANE! lol. I become overwhelmed with 'WHY' when I look into some of his decisions as it pertains to his legacy.

Maybe he doesn't care about his legacy? Well; sure he cares..But one stops to ask: Why doesn't he maximize on what he has been given? (He is already established, but like with many things in life, renewel is good!)

Some Say: He just doesn't want to do it/ He's a bad businessman/ The public outside of us on the ORG doesn't care about it/ He's a control freak/Because He's Prince..etc

I just wish people could know more about him but he seems to want to fade into obscurity; he has fame, but he doesn't want to feed the fame it seems.

Maybe it's spiritual? "Too Much Fame Causes A Spiritual Decay" - No More Candy 4 U

So instead; he refuses contracts, offers large sums of money if someone suggests they would like to release his DVD (Speaking on Montreux, which I am shocked he denied..Cause it's KILLER), takes down his own websites, and abolishes if possible his name on YouTube and other social media. Forcing us (Without Saying It...) To find him. To buy boots, and to get our hands on his material. It's like he encourages us to find him; because when we like it..We get it. Because he doesn't seem to offer it to us..At least not yet..perhaps?

I don't get it totally, I just wonder why...Maybe I should just accept Prince is Just Prince...But sometimes it really does my head in; when I think about it?

So I guess; I'd like to hear your thoughts on Prince choices? What is he doing concerning his legacy? Surely he can't expect to disappear, he's already a legend and has proven himself already. He has a name, and he has done an incredible job to maintain his expression and artistic virtues. There is no denying his gifts and his abilities on stage, etc. But what makes it interesting, is that he seems to be excluding himself with some of his choices. I don't know if this is due wholly by his business with WB or what...But it's almost as if he is a bit paranoid?

I can go on and on..But I am curious about what do you think?

Sorry for the rant; but many of you all comments on UMPG; really had me thinking!

[Edited 8/17/12 16:30pm]

I gather you mean to say 'preservation of (his) legacy' or maybe 'preserving his legacy' not 'perserverance of legacy', right EyeJester?

[Edited 7/12/12 17:29pm]

Prince’s legacy is set but it seems like it is going to take work to do it properly. Whom am I to say it isn’t being one properly or what’s already out there isn’t good enough? Just my opinion. His legacy is all part on cd and vhs for the most part. And of course for a proper legacy imho these things need transfers to dvd and re-mastering. Prince once said how wanted to have one of the biggest catalogues in the music bin...when I look at artists like Hendrix and Miles Davis in the stores there is a plethora of material. I think this is what he meant. And the material by those artists as well as others have all been given the legacy respectful treatment by their respective record companies etc. It’s just my luck the artist I latch onto has beef with his past in all endeavors music, personality and otherwise. Lets see what is possibilities of remastering and transfers.

Music releases:
SOTT , , DM, Prince, Lovesexy, Parade, 1999 (desperately needs work), Controversy. For the most part the 90’s output seems pretty top par in sonic sound imo. Plus this is not what some consider as his classic music.

VHS-Performances

Purple Rain ( many possibilities but there just may not be available extra material….probably has peanut butter all over the extra film stock.. But it’s be cool to see him come and try to take Apollonia during the rehearsal and swing at Jellybean which was allowed in Graffiti Bridge sort of. Plus the other scenes from the trailer on the dvd that are cut from the released film like when he is running in front o f some billowing white linen)

UTCM…needs a blu-ray dvd release even if there were no extras. A color version would be too cool too…somehow I think he is embarrassed by this though.

SOTT-nuff said. If it isnt already actually being done etc.

Livesexy-nuff said. “Liberace on acid” over excess but at a peak of inspiration

Nude Tour.

Undertaker-just for proof
And the other assorted dvd releases such as they did with 3 Chains O Gold etc.

A comprehensive video release on dvd

Hendrix, Clapton , Rolling Stones etc has much of their concerts etc released and many of them are on dvd. I know this takes some money in itself to produce from the record companies or production companies that own the rights, and prince himself, but I’m not sure anyone working in these media outlets are concerned or fans to help preserve princes legacy. I’m sure he is a little shit about certain aspects but Davis et.al. wasn’t? And the profit margin is actually not a huge excuse because as stated, other artists with an overabundance of material transferred, do not sell in huge huge numbers anyway. It must be a love for the music and legacy with some of these releases. (Is there anyone at WB at least who is fan enough to get the ball rolling on his own?) Not all of Claptons, Stones, Davis etc are all very very very profitable. Talk about flooding the market. Prince material is out there and even though he has been quite prolific, in the long run it seems he has not flooded the market as much as could be, as much as others. And what he has flooded the market with needs to be given the legacy treatment.

There is just so much material out there already released that if given the legacy treatment that there wouldn’t even really need to be any vault product release to satiate the public, fans, and let this mans music and creativity to be appreciated properly. Many of these releases would show the ups and downs of his brilliant career.

Just as others and their catalogues do. I mean its 34-35 years into his career I think it’s about time. Even if that means him swallowing some of his pride and taking time off from creating new things for a while. Take some time to work things out and make ones past able to be appreciated. Maybe its not in the cards which would be so Prince-fandom like but gotdamn,throw us a friggin bone here and there…WB, Prince, somebody. Folks are left with fan re-masterings of Lovesexy and SOTT (and they are brilliant works from them, not taking away from that) but it seems like the fans have more passion than the original artist and companies (which is understandable from a fan vs. company pov I guess). Its been 30 plus years and many many artists have their works remastered and transferred even when in their prime. I hope this all comes together some way somehow before it gets too damn late in the game. I mean he's had his combacks, returns to form, personal bests, personal highs and lows...instead of rushing to the next forward movement project it would be great if he now concentrated on some things of his past while living his life so the future can be seen and entered with an approach of accomplishment from his pov and from the fans pov etc. Just my opinion. Everyone is allowed to live their life and he can run his career the way he wants to...he has been successful and its obviously working for him. This is only a wish, not a demand or advice since I’m not a manager etc.

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[Edited 7/12/12 19:00pm]

2elijah said:

I gather you mean to say 'preservation of (his) legacy' or maybe 'preserving his legacy' not 'perserverance of legacy', right EyeJester?

[Edited 7/12/12 17:29pm]

Thanks!! YES! That is what I meant! lol...Thanks for the correction!

Let me change that so there is no confusion..

EyeJester7 said:

2elijah said:

I gather you mean to say 'preservation of (his) legacy' or maybe 'preserving his legacy' not 'perserverance of legacy', right EyeJester?

[Edited 7/12/12 17:29pm]

Thanks!! YES! That is what I meant! lol...Thanks for the correction!

Let me change that so there is no confusion..

No prob.

Prince's legacy is secured in my opinion. He has not faded and even if he doesn't produce an album in 10 years, he will still be present. Prince has never been comparable with average Gagas and Madonna and anybody else, he's always been somewhat under the radar, and yet everyone knew where and how to get an album, this is from what I remember.

The only disturbing thing 4 me is what's gonna happen if he dies, I know this sounds awful, but I imagine all those gold diggers will be in the spotlight and his vault material all slashed. Who does he have?

This leads me on to another thing, for some reason I do actually think he may have health issues or some other issues...the reason why he's been takin things slowly..

Legacy schmegacy!

rdhull said:

Prince’s legacy is set but it seems like it is going to take work to do it properly. Whom am I to say it isn’t being one properly or what’s already out there isn’t good enough? Just my opinion. His legacy is all part on cd and vhs for the most part. And of course for a proper legacy imho these things need transfers to dvd and re-mastering. Prince once said how wanted to have one of the biggest catalogues in the music bin...when I look at artists like Hendrix and Miles Davis in the stores there is a plethora of material. I think this is what he meant. And the material by those artists as well as others have all been given the legacy respectful treatment by their respective record companies etc. It’s just my luck the artist I latch onto has beef with his past in all endeavors music, personality and otherwise. Lets see what is possibilities of remastering and transfers.

Music releases:
SOTT , , DM, Prince, Lovesexy, Parade, 1999 (desperately needs work), Controversy. For the most part the 90’s output seems pretty top par in sonic sound imo. Plus this is not what some consider as his classic music.

VHS-Performances

Purple Rain ( many possibilities but there just may not be available extra material….probably has peanut butter all over the extra film stock.. But it’s be cool to see him come and try to take Apollonia during the rehearsal and swing at Jellybean which was allowed in Graffiti Bridge sort of. Plus the other scenes from the trailer on the dvd that are cut from the released film like when he is running in front o f some billowing white linen)

UTCM…needs a blu-ray dvd release even if there were no extras. A color version would be too cool too…somehow I think he is embarrassed by this though.

SOTT-nuff said. If it isnt already actually being done etc.

Livesexy-nuff said. “Liberace on acid” over excess but at a peak of inspiration

Nude Tour.

Undertaker-just for proof
And the other assorted dvd releases such as they did with 3 Chains O Gold etc.

A comprehensive video release on dvd

Hendrix, Clapton , Rolling Stones etc has much of their concerts etc released and many of them are on dvd. I know this takes some money in itself to produce from the record companies or production companies that own the rights, and prince himself, but I’m not sure anyone working in these media outlets are concerned or fans to help preserve princes legacy. I’m sure he is a little shit about certain aspects but Davis et.al. wasn’t? And the profit margin is actually not a huge excuse because as stated, other artists with an overabundance of material transferred, do not sell in huge huge numbers anyway. It must be a love for the music and legacy with some of these releases. (Is there anyone at WB at least who is fan enough to get the ball rolling on his own?) Not all of Claptons, Stones, Davis etc are all very very very profitable. Talk about flooding the market. Prince material is out there and even though he has been quite prolific, in the long run it seems he has not flooded the market as much as could be, as much as others. And what he has flooded the market with needs to be given the legacy treatment.

There is just so much material out there already released that if given the legacy treatment that there wouldn’t even really need to be any vault product release to satiate the public, fans, and let this mans music and creativity to be appreciated properly. Many of these releases would show the ups and downs of his brilliant career.

Just as others and their catalogue does. I mean its 34-35 years into his career I think it’s about time. Even if that means him swallowing some of his pride and taking time off from creating new things for a while. Take some time to work things out and make ones past able to be appreciated. Maybe its not in the cards which would be so Prince-fandom like but gotdamn,throw us a friggin bone here and there…WB, Prince, somebody. Folks are left with fan re-masterings of Lovesexy and SOTT (and they are brilliant works from them , not taking away from that) but it seems like the fans have more passion than the original artist and companies ( which is understandable from a fan vs. company pov I guess). Its been 30 plus years and many many artists have their works remastered and transferred even when in their prime. I hope this all comes together some way somehow before it gets too damn late in the game. I mean hes had his comabcks, returns to form , personal bests, personal highs and lows...instead of rushing to the next forward movement project it would be great if he now concentrated on some things of his past while living his life so the future can be seen and entered with an approach of accomplishment form his pov and from the fans pov etc. Just my opinion. Everyone is allowed to live their life and he can run his career the way he wants to...he has been successful and its obviously working for him. This is only a wish, not a demand or advice since I’m not a manager etc.

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[Edited 7/12/12 17:30pm]

I totally agree with everything you have outlined! I know you aren't a manager,but you would bea great one! I think the points you drew out make so much sense and I really wish Prince would heed to these points so that something is done about the state of his music. It seems as if something could be reached, in time I do feel he will do something about it. I mean he has to right!?

Once again; thanks for your points! Very spot on and something I would hope to see!

HonestMan13 said:

Legacy schmegacy!

Hahaha...

I know it's like beating a dead horse..But I couldn't help but ask and declare the famous 'WHY'! lol

electricberet said:

It's pretty clear that live concerts are the main source of revenue for Prince at this stage and are likely to remain so. But if he wants big crowds to keep packing into those shows, having some repackaged catalog material out there couldn't hurt. He also needs a real online presence and a better way of communicating with his fans. I think he realizes this and wants it to happen, but on his terms. I agree with rdhull that it would help for someone on the inside at WMG to get interested enough to make it happen. In the meantime, this is a good time to listen to other music and go see concerts by other artists.

YOU really hit on the money for me!

Everything you mentioned is great as well! AN ONLINE PRESENCE is a step in the right direction 4 SHO! LOL...He really wants it on his terms..

BUT

There is a lot of other artists out there! I am looking forwards to Nas and his album, and a couple of others. A lot of other music to attend to, so that is the best route than to sit around waiting and wondering. Also it's not like Prince does not have a loads of other material to dig as well!

EyeJester7 said:

HonestMan13 said:

Legacy schmegacy!

Hahaha...

I know it's like beating a dead horse..But I couldn't help but ask and declare the famous 'WHY'! lol

The thing is Prince can't destroy his legacy. The vault contents and remasters are what his hardcore fans want not the general public. Will his hardcore fanbase feel cheated? Yes. Will the masses beyond that? No. They'll remember the hits they enjoyed and loved to sing and dance to. Only his hardcore will be bitching about that pristine sound quality version of 'Big Tall Wall' they never got their hands on. The average fan of Prince doesn't even know about the hundreds of bootlegs tracks circulating and they don't care either. He's been and always will be one of the great artists of our time and will always have that title.

Good discussion here.

I think it's about Prince living in the NOW more than anything.

Those concerned about their worldly legacy or protecting some kind of reputation are those who end up committing suicide or going off the deep end. We've seen it with celebrities time and time again. Who would he be preserving it for anyway? Treasure left behind have no immortality -- they get buried and forgotten. Good for Prince that he stays happy and is able to support himself and the things he enjoys doing by doing what he loves. He's been to that mountain top and looked over Jordan -- he already knows what's there and what's coming. Surely it makes him smile. That's more than good enough for anybody, I'd think. Just keep loving him and he'll keep loving you. Even despite his better angels, he still throws us crumbs from his past. I sincerely doubt he does it as much for himself as he does it for you.

Jasziah said:

He probably thinks the legacy is as good as it is and doesn't think it's needs further preservation. To be honest, history has already decided it (now that the Library of Congress got "Purple Rain" added to its archives and all). JMHO.

Of course his legacy is set and his music with counless classic songs will last. What some of you wrote is so true.

Some remasters, some dvds/blue rays of his great performances, maybe a compilation of his best

post warner songs would be nice. Unlike other artists, he doesn`t let his former record company let them do their job and release some remasters with bonus tracks. The reason is most likely he wants to wait till the masters fall back to him....well....

I always thought he was right, when he said he is living in the now, not in the past, but then, where is the new music? In recent interviews he was talking bout how he still loves to make albums...so why all this games with releasing Lotusflower only in the US and 20 TEN only in some european countries...?

Jasziah said:

Good discussion here.

I think it's about Prince living in the NOW more than anything.

Those concerned about their worldly legacy or protecting some kind of reputation are those who end up committing suicide or going off the deep end. We've seen it with celebrities time and time again. Who would he be preserving it for anyway? Treasure left behind have no immortality -- they get buried and forgotten. Good for Prince that he stays happy and is able to support himself and the things he enjoys doing by doing what he loves. He's been to that mountain top and looked over Jordan -- he already knows what's there and what's coming. Surely it makes him smile. That's more than good enough for anybody, I'd think. Just keep loving him and he'll keep loving you. Even despite his better angels, he still throws us crumbs from his past. I sincerely doubt he does it as much for himself as he does it for you.

I dont think doing remasters and making legacy box set ups and such is negating the here and now. Prince is pretty intelligent and could perserve his legacy ina physical manner as well as keep up with the current. Its been 30 years of fast forward anyways. Time to look back and solidify it imo. I mean whats the futrure hold now..Allo ish and such? Not exactly ground breaking things imo. Go back and show why the past works was grounbreaking via dvds, remasters etc.

EyeJester7 said:

This has been discussed countless times before, but I would like further explanation, deeper than what has already been explained concerning Prince and his career choices preserving his legacy.

Considering the discussion about Prince ending his deal with UMPG, so many of you all have expressed the notion that Prince has failed at reaching the success he could ascertain, due to his hunger for money and his overall control. (I'm not saying; his decision with UMPG is a failure or anything of the sort..I actually think it's a + in some regards)

Rather; this topic is inspired by the statements of many of you here (And around the world), able to see the failure in Prince's ability to really maximize on the potential he has been given.

I am curious to know why he is perceived 'Money Hungry'; while we don't know...and can only assume; I can't help but guess why is; he (seemingly) is very controlling regarding his material and how he is known.

It seems as if tours are the only medium where he wishes to preserve his legacy. (That's it's happening of course, because there are no DVD's With the exception of Rave/One Nite Alone) I'd like to think that Prince has a plan for all of his material to be released. He has some kind of method where all his recordings/films/ etc will be released in some massive way. I only think this way; because it keeps me SANE! lol. I become overwhelmed with 'WHY' when I look into some of his decisions as it pertains to his legacy.

Maybe he doesn't care about his legacy? Well; sure he cares..But one stops to ask: Why doesn't he maximize on what he has been given?

Some Say: He just doesn't want to do it/ He's a bad businessman/ The public outside of us on the ORG doesn't care about it/ He's a control freak/Because He's Prince..etc

I just wish people could know more about him but he seems to want to fade into obscurity; he has fame, but he doesn't want to feed the fame it seems.

Maybe it's spiritual? "Too Much Fame Causes A Spiritual Decay" - No More Candy 4 U

So instead; he refuses contracts, offers large sums of money if someone suggests they would like to release his DVD (Speaking on Montreux, which I am shocked he denied..Cause it's KILLER), takes down his own websites, and abolishes if possible his name on YouTube and other social media. Forcing us (Without Saying It...) To find him. To buy boots, and to get our hands on his material. It's like he encourages us to find him; because when we like it..We get it. Because he doesn't seem to offer it to us..At least not yet..perhaps?

I don't get it totally, I just wonder why...Maybe I should just accept Prince is Just Prince...But sometimes it really does my head in; when I think about it?

So I guess; I'd like to hear your thoughts on Prince choices? What is he doing concerning his legacy? Surely he can't expect to disappear, he's already a legend and has proven himself already. He has a name, and he has done an incredible job to maintain his expression and artistic virtues. There is no denying his gifts and his abilities on stage, etc. But what makes it interesting, is that he seems to be excluding himself with some of his choices. I don't know if this is due wholly by his business with WB or what...But it's almost as if he is a bit paranoid?

I can go on and on..But I am curious about what do you think?

Sorry for the rant; but many of you all comments on UMPG; really had me thinking!

It seems that Prince has been on a spiritual quest for sometime. About half way through those 30 years, there was a time when Prince asked specifically that we not buy bootlegs, but to instead wait until it was given to us. I haven't heard any offical word on what his true feelings concerning these issue are lately. So for now, I enjoy his huge catalouge along with lots of associated artists. All the while hoping he's working on something new, that's coming to us soon. Something like 'come here and share my lollipop' instead of No more Candy 4 U!!

If I were to seek out Prince and or his unofficial music right now, for me personally, I think it would show lack of respect. Prince is someone who will always have my and respect.

What I believe to be true, until the time I'm sure I should be thinking or believing differerntly, is that Prince likes his privacy. So until he tells us directly what he's up to, it's anyone's guess. But I never rule out that anything is possible when it comes to Prince, because he is such a genius!! Prince has always been one to surprise everyone, so hold on to your wigs for the dayz of wild, it ain't over til it's ova!

OzlemUcucu said:

Prince's legacy is secured in my opinion. He has not faded and even if he doesn't produce an album in 10 years, he will still be present. Prince has never been comparable with average Gagas and Madonna and anybody else, he's always been somewhat under the radar, and yet everyone knew where and how to get an album, this is from what I remember.

The only disturbing thing 4 me is what's gonna happen if he dies, I know this sounds awful, but I imagine all those gold diggers will be in the spotlight and his vault material all slashed. Who does he have?

This leads me on to another thing, for some reason I do actually think he may have health issues or some other issues...the reason why he's been takin things slowly..

Hmmmm

I think Prince has faded

Being present doesn't mean you haven't faded

ie there are sane healthy elderly people tucked away in old folks homes and sane healthy elderly people still furthering their eduction making art and living life. The former are fading but both are present

Prince of 1980's and early 1990's was hardly under the radar, he only went under the radar after his split with WB

Prince needs to take a whole lot of hints from Madonna about promotion

That is my concern as well, if you die, you will definately not have control of how when and where your vault material is distributed and definately will not benefit monetarily

I don't think he has health issues, he's been touring non-stop since 2009, I think he realizes that releasing an album isn't as easy as he thought.

for u - remastered ist disc

2nd disc --outtakes b-sides, ext versions

3rd disc-- dvd of tour

same for each reissue

charge $25 for each -and leave it at that

OldFriends4Sale said:

OzlemUcucu said:

Prince's legacy is secured in my opinion. He has not faded and even if he doesn't produce an album in 10 years, he will still be present. Prince has never been comparable with average Gagas and Madonna and anybody else, he's always been somewhat under the radar, and yet everyone knew where and how to get an album, this is from what I remember.

The only disturbing thing 4 me is what's gonna happen if he dies, I know this sounds awful, but I imagine all those gold diggers will be in the spotlight and his vault material all slashed. Who does he have?

This leads me on to another thing, for some reason I do actually think he may have health issues or some other issues...the reason why he's been takin things slowly..

Hmmmm

I think Prince has faded

Being present doesn't mean you haven't faded

ie there are sane healthy elderly people tucked away in old folks homes and sane healthy elderly people still furthering their eduction making art and living life. The former are fading but both are present

Prince of 1980's and early 1990's was hardly under the radar, he only went under the radar after his split with WB

Prince needs to take a whole lot of hints from Madonna about promotion

That is my concern as well, if you die, you will definately not have control of how when and where your vault material is distributed and definately will not benefit monetarily

I don't think he has health issues, he's been touring non-stop since 2009, I think he realizes that releasing an album isn't as easy as he thought.

Prince has not faded. Whitney had faded, Madonna has faded behind her own shadowy presence. Prince is still making music, he just had a world tour, and has probably an album ready lookign for ways to distribute it.

Prince doesn't care about world domination, he just wants to get the music to the fans, and at the end of the day, what difference does it make?

Even if Prince wouldn't be making music in the future, he'd still be present for fans, we'd still be talking forever here, that's what it's all about.

I agree he's not the same anymore, he had too many disasters during the fucked up world tour and he's ideas are not that fresh anymore, but people change. Every human being has their peak time, and nobody continues to be brilliant forever. We gotta accept that and make most of it.

I don't understand some people here that compare him to his 20s or 30s, we have the music that he shared, so that should make us all happy! Prince by now is a live musician, he needs credit for what he's claiming and the distinction he wants everyone to realise.

What I mean earlier is if he dies, he has nobody, it's not like the Jacksons. I wonder what his plans are.

[Edited 7/16/12 19:41pm]

He doesn't care about his legacy.

He just announced he was leaving UMPG and there should have been a song out that week showing the world he still can wrote hit songs instead of the catalog stuff. He would have had it on I-tunes or thru rollingstone.com but he didn't.

He doesn't have it anymore to move us. The reason is because he cannot even challenge himself even if he wanted to.

The Musicology tour has offorded him the luxuary to coast and not do anything full on. The hunger isn't there anymore to care about his legacy and how it will be remembered. It is like, "I outlived MJ, I'm good." and no, dude, you're not.

I think Prince wants his legacy to be preserved by the people, for the people.

There might not be many released dvds....but there are tons of bootlegs and concerts for viewing...made by the people...the way it should be perhaps. I'll have to answer the rest later

When I type "Prince" into my iTunes over 2600 tracks pop up. Other key words bring lesser numbers but probably about 3200 or so tracks are Prince related out of 9391. He did his job already. If I can't tell somebody who Prince is or was in ten years then what have I been doing for the past 2 and a half decades. Remasters are all wonderful but where wouild we buy therm nowadays? In NYC there are no major record stores. Best Buy is phasing out CD's. Tower, HMV and Virgin are all gone. Target will probably be the biggest music retailer in NYC in a few years and they pick and choose what they want to sell.

HonestMan13 said:

When I type "Prince" into my iTunes over 2600 tracks pop up. Other key words bring lesser numbers but probably about 3200 or so tracks are Prince related out of 9391. He did his job already. If I can't tell somebody who Prince is or was in ten years then what have I been doing for the past 2 and a half decades. Remasters are all wonderful but where wouild we buy therm nowadays? In NYC there are no major record stores. Best Buy is phasing out CD's. Tower, HMV and Virgin are all gone. Target will probably be the biggest music retailer in NYC in a few years and they pick and choose what they want to sell.

There's a website you should check out called www.amazon.com.

electricberet said:

HonestMan13 said:

When I type "Prince" into my iTunes over 2600 tracks pop up. Other key words bring lesser numbers but probably about 3200 or so tracks are Prince related out of 9391. He did his job already. If I can't tell somebody who Prince is or was in ten years then what have I been doing for the past 2 and a half decades. Remasters are all wonderful but where wouild we buy therm nowadays? In NYC there are no major record stores. Best Buy is phasing out CD's. Tower, HMV and Virgin are all gone. Target will probably be the biggest music retailer in NYC in a few years and they pick and choose what they want to sell.

There's a website you should check out called www.amazon.com.

That's one outlet for the entire world. Once that happens how affordable do you think it will be to get remaster packages from your favorite artists? How profitable will they see it being when Amazon can monopolize selling physical copies of product? Prince is out to see the money in his pockets not some corporation. In truth most other artist probably feel the same down deep.

OzlemUcucu said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Hmmmm

I think Prince has faded

Being present doesn't mean you haven't faded

ie there are sane healthy elderly people tucked away in old folks homes and sane healthy elderly people still furthering their eduction making art and living life. The former are fading but both are present

Prince of 1980's and early 1990's was hardly under the radar, he only went under the radar after his split with WB

Prince needs to take a whole lot of hints from Madonna about promotion

That is my concern as well, if you die, you will definately not have control of how when and where your vault material is distributed and definately will not benefit monetarily

I don't think he has health issues, he's been touring non-stop since 2009, I think he realizes that releasing an album isn't as easy as he thought.

Prince has not faded. Whitney had faded, Madonna has faded behind her own shadowy presence. Prince is still making music, he just had a world tour, and has probably an album ready lookign for ways to distribute it.

Prince doesn't care about world domination, he just wants to get the music to the fans, and at the end of the day, what difference does it make?

Even if Prince wouldn't be making music in the future, he'd still be present for fans, we'd still be talking forever here, that's what it's all about.

I agree he's not the same anymore, he had too many disasters during the fucked up world tour and he's ideas are not that fresh anymore, but people change. Every human being has their peak time, and nobody continues to be brilliant forever. We gotta accept that and make most of it.

I don't understand some people here that compare him to his 20s or 30s, we have the music that he shared, so that should make us all happy! Prince by now is a live musician, he needs credit for what he's claiming and the distinction he wants everyone to realise.

What I mean earlier is if he dies, he has nobody, it's not like the Jacksons. I wonder what his plans are.

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Yes, Whitney did fade, Madonna has not faded. She's released every (other)year albums the massages can purchase and dvds of the tours in support. She's touring and every fashion mogul wants her in their ad from Versace to D&G, she has her own perfume made a film previewed at the Independant Film Festival. I don't see how you say she faded but Prince didn't LotusFlower is on sale at Target(the only place outside of maybe Amazon) you can buy it for $4 No one can get 20Ten except it's traded. Yes he's touring, everyone is touring.

If he want's to get the music to the fans then why can't the massages purchase 20Ten?

What difference does it make? The title of this thread

Prince is only present for the fans via tours, not those little exclusive shows he puts on. Prince will definately perform, because that's where the money is coming from. Prince is lacking in promo and has been for a long time.

I can accept change, I don't believe Prince is putting out quality, older age doesn't mean sloppy or lack of quality. I'm one that actually like 20Ten (prob more than LotusFlowr) no promo. I was gifted a copy from someone in Europe, hardly plays the music in his shows ect

You don't have to bring in people comparing him to his 20's and 30's. No one is doing that at all. We are talking about solidifying his legacy as of right NOW. has nothing to do with bikini briefs etc

We are talking about his Vault of shows concerts music that he could benefit from, and more. So if he dies, how is his legacy going to be presented shared, who will profit from what is in the vault, etc etc Don't wait till death for people to 'unfade' you and you can't enjoy the fruits of it

HonestMan13 said:

electricberet said:

There's a website you should check out called www.amazon.com.

That's one outlet for the entire world. Once that happens how affordable do you think it will be to get remaster packages from your favorite artists? How profitable will they see it being when Amazon can monopolize selling physical copies of product? Prince is out to see the money in his pockets not some corporation. In truth most other artist probably feel the same down deep.

There are other places to buy music online: individual online stores like Elusive Disc and Acoustic Sounds, and clearinghouses like Discogs.com, etc. If Amazon raises their prices too high after killing off the brick-and-mortar retailers, more online competition will appear. But you're right that the big money is not going to be there. The reality is that the potential market for any future Prince releases is mainly limited to his own fanbase and he's not going to expand much beyond that. However, remasters and box sets ought to at least break even and could help promote his concerts.

Madonna is really not comparable to Prince. I hate that woman so much purely cause I think she has 80% crap albums, and her fame means nothing, as you will know good music has nothing to do with album sales anymore, that's my opinion anyway.

Prince has not faded, he's strong as ever, and he's gonna kick ya phat ass next time....

OzlemUcucu said:

Madonna is really not comparable to Prince. I hate that woman so much purely cause I think she has 80% crap albums, and her fame means nothing, as you will know good music has nothing to do with album sales anymore, that's my opinion anyway.

Prince has not faded, he's strong as ever, and he's gonna kick ya phat ass next time....

You are the 1 that started with the comparison. Doing a lot of backpeddling in these posts bud lol

I could never put that strong of an emotion to someone who isn't hurting people.

Emotions have nothing to do with the fact that you statments were off. You can say her fame means nothing but everyone around the world knows her. And she has been 'unfaded' from what I've seen from the beginning of her career to now.

Prince is my #1 fav artist because of his 1978-1989 yrs, everything after that is hit and miss. Just because Prince can play guitar bass drums & piano doesn't mean all of or most of his albums/music is good.

He's not strong as ever(that would mean he is on the same level of 1984 Prince)

And I don't get that last line ... at all