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777-9311/Alex De Paris Drum Questions I know this is a long winded post, but hoping someone might have some answers. This discussion came up from a few comments posted on the 777-9311 vids on YouTube on who was the drummer for this track.
It was my belief that Prince was playing all the music for the Time's first three albums including 'live drums' as has been reported.
A few commentaters were saying that not all of the drumming is live and that it was Jellybean that programmed the lin and played the live drum with it that made up the drumbeat for this song.
I dismiss that that as, as good a drummer Jellybean is, can't imagine at that time Prince respected him enough to go in the studio and work with him on the Time album, especilly when he already had a regular drummer he was touring with.
Another twist in the story is that people are claiming that neither are responsible, but that it was Morris Day, who they are saying also did the drumming for The Walk. I'm willing to believe this for two reasons as the reported music for Party Up was Morris story, plus Prince has done NOTHING like this drum beat before or after 777-9311 with the song IMO that comes close in vibe is Lady Cab Driver.
Also, I always thought/assumed that Sheila E. laid the drum beat down for Alex De Paris, however I was lsitening to a Parade Era Live Rehearsal where they played this song and the drumming is spot on, which I can only assume was Bobby Z playign this live. If it is him, 1) I totally underrate him and 2) does that mean it was Prince who put that drum beat down.
Can anyone shed some light on this? | |
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My belief is that 777-9311 is pure linn drums by the kid. In fact, I remember ?uestlove saying that it took him months to master the beat on his kit before he realized that it was only linn drums.
As for Alex De Paris, the jury is still out on that one. I do think its Sheila E. though. | |
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777-9311 I'd say it was the Linn.
Drums are officially credited to Sheila E. on Alexa De Paris. "Hey, I got the butta 4 ya muffin, honey.. I'm just 2 old 2 hold the knife!" |
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777-9311: It's definately Linn only.
I re-created it almost exactly (the hi-hat pattern is difficult to get identical to) on my PC with the Linn samples.
i.e. I downloaded a PC drum machine that let you import wav samples, and then downloaded the Linn samples from Wikipedia, and viola! Your own Linn drum machine! I spent a few hours 'recreating' many of the early programmed beats, including that one. Not for any reason, I just enjoy doing it.
Bob [Edited 7/18/12 4:35am]
EDIT - it looks like the samples are no longer part of the Wikipedia Page
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They've been removed.
There is a combination of Prince- his band, Morris Day & Jesse Johnson throught the time albums from instruments vocals writing and co-writing
Ice Cream Castles the album I believe had more of the time, especially Jungle Love & the Bird(which are live by the Time)
Jill Jones(vocals) is throught the Time albums
Novi Novog (violin) & Sharon Hughes (background vocals) are also on Ice Cream Castles the album
THE TIME Get it up (9:08) • performed by [Prince] (all instruments & vocals) with [Morris Day] (additional lead vocals) & Matt Fink (synthesizer solos) • final mixing 28th-30th april 1981 at Sunset Sound [7] • registered to [Prince] (as Jamie Starr) After hi school (4:22) • performed by [Prince] (all instruments & vocals) with [Morris Day] (additional lead vocals) • final mixing 28th-30th april 1981 at Sunset Sound • registered to [Morris Day] Cool (10:06) • performed by [Prince] (all instruments & vocals) with [Morris Day] (additional lead vocals) & Lisa Coleman (background vocals) • final mixing 28th-30th april 1981 at Sunset Sound • registered to [Prince] (as Jamie Starr) with Desmond D'Andrea Dickerson Oh, baby #2 (4:59) • performed by [Prince] (all instruments & vocals) with [Morris Day] (additional lead vocals) • final mixing 28th-30th april 1981 at Sunset Sound • registered to [Prince] (as Jamie Starr) The Stick (8:22) • performed by [Prince] (all instruments & vocals) with [Morris Day] (additional lead vocals), Matt Fink (synthesizer solos) & Lisa Coleman (background vocals) • final mixing 28th-30th april 1981 at Sunset Sound
WHAT TIME IS IT? Wild and loose (7:34) • performed by [Prince] (all instruments and vocals) with [Morris Day] (additional lead vocals) & Vanity 6 (background vocals) • final mixing 20th-21st July 1982 at Sunset Sound • registered to [Prince] (as Jamie Starr) with Desmond D'Andrea Dickerson
• performed by [Prince] (all instruments and vocals) with [Morris Day] (additional lead vocals) • final mixing 20th-21st July 1982 at Sunset Sound • registered to [Prince] (as Jamie Starr)
Girl (5:36) • performed by [Prince] (all instruments & vocals) with [Morris Day] (additional lead vocals) • final mixing 28th-30th april 1981 at Sunset Sound • registered to [Prince] (as Jamie Starr) OnedayI'mgonnabesomebody (2:27) • performed by [Prince] (all instruments and vocals) with [Morris Day] (additional lead vocals) • final mixing 20th-21st July 1982 at Sunset Sound • registered to [Prince] (as Jamie Starr) The Walk (9:31) • performed by [Prince] (all instruments & vocals) with [Morris Day] (additional lead vocals) & Vanity 6 (background vocals) • final mixing 20th-21st July 1982 at Sunset Sound • registered to [Prince] (as Jamie Starr) Gigolos get lonely too (4:42) • performed by [Prince] (all instruments & vocals) with [Morris Day] (additional lead vocals) • final mixing 20th-21st July 1982 at Sunset Sound • registered to [Prince] (as Jamie Starr) I don't wanna leave you (6:29) • performed by [Prince] (all instruments & vocals) with [Morris Day] (additional lead vocals) • final mixing 20th-21st July 1982 at Sunset Sound • registered to [Prince] (as Jamie Starr) Grace (non-album track) (2:37) • performed by [Prince] (all instruments) with [Morris Day] (lead vocals) and Vanity (co-lead vocals) • registered to [Prince] (as Jamie Starr) Ice Cream Castles Ice cream castles (7:32) • performed by [Prince] (all instruments) with [Morris Day] (lead vocals) & [Jesse Johnson] (guitar) • final mixing January 1984 at Sunset Sound • registered to [Prince] (as Jamie Starr) with [Morris Day] My drawers (4:08) • performed by [Prince] (all instruments) with [Morris Day] (lead vocals) & [Jesse Johnson] (guitar) • final mixing January 1984 at Sunset Sound • registered to [Prince] (as Jamie Starr) Chili sauce (originally entitled as "Proposition #17") (5:48) • performed by [Prince] (all instruments) with [Morris Day] (lead vocals), [Jesse Johnson] (guitar), Novi Novog (violin) & Sharon Hughes (background vocals) • final mixing January 1984 at Sunset Sound • registered to [Prince] (as Jamie Starr) Jungle love (5:33) • performed by [Prince] (all instruments) with [Morris Day] (lead vocals) & [Jesse Johnson] (guitar) • final mixing January 1984 at Sunset Sound • registered to [Prince] (as Jamie Starr) with [Morris Day]
If the kid can't make you come (7:33) • performed by [Prince] (all instruments) with [Morris Day] (lead vocals), [Jesse Johnson] (guitar) & Sharon Hughes (background vocals) • final mixing January 1984 at Sunset Sound • registered to [Prince] (as Jamie Starr) The Bird (live version #1) (7:45) • performed by [Morris Day] (lead vocals), [Jesse Johnson] (guitar), [Rocky Harris] (bass), [Jellybean Johnson] (drums), [Jerome Benton] (percussion), [Paul Peterson] (keyboards) and [Mark Cardenas] (keyboards) • final mixing January 1984 at Sunset Sound • registered to [Prince] (as Jamie Starr) with [Morris Day] Cloreen bacon skin (15:37) • performed by [Prince] (bass & lead vocals) with [Morris Day] (drums) Tricky (non-album track) (lead vocals by [Prince]) (3:11) • performed by [Prince] (all instruments & lead vocals) with [Morris Day] (drums & additional voices) • registered to [Prince] (as Jamie Starr) with [Morris Day]
Yes even though Bobby Z rocked the drums diversely from 94East to Dream Factory music people equate him only with the electric drums and programming.
Alexa de Paris that live & rehearsal was Bobby Z on drums
also if you listen to how technical Life Can Be So Nice is, Bobby Z duplicated it well on live drums during the Parade era
The Vault book:
Alexa De Paris - RELEASE DATE: 7 MAY 1986 - RELEASE FORMAT: SINGLE TRACK Featured in Under The Cherry Moon, the instrumental “Alexa De Paris” was the B-side of “Mountains.” The song was recorded at the Washington Avenue warehouse in July 1985. It appeared in some of the 1986 “Hit & Run” concerts but was dropped for the European and Japanese Parade tours.
A complex and dramatic piece of music, “Alexa De Paris” is an ambitious medium-paced instrumental rock number that recalls the “symphonic” rock of Mike Oldfield or such groups as Genesis and Yes. Prince improvises on guitar around a basic theme, which is played on synth. The music is calm and unhurried but intensity builds as the instrumentation expands, with Clare Fischer’s orchestra adding an element of danger. An arpeggiated synth and string part leads into a second section of the song. The tempo increases as the bass becomes more driving and the drumming more active. Prince rips into a guitar solo and Sheila E. plays a brief drum solo, before everything returns to the main theme again.
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Believe it or not but that guitar on My Drawers ain't Jesse.it's Prince. Regarding 777-9311 i believe that Prince programmed Linn pattern but i think Hi hats are programmed by Morris Day ,because the hi hat pattern is very unusual for Prince ,yet Morris did similar style hi hats on his duet with Vanity Mechanical Emotion | |
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blackwell did the 777 beat @ a drum clinic perfectly - but brutha p is on the linn 4 recording | |
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John Blackwell said in an interview that Prince had confirmed that it was a Linn, and he said nothing about another musician being involved in its programming. Princevault goes in the same direction: http://princevault.com/in...p/777-9311
As for ADP it's Sheila: http://princevault.com/in...a_De_Paris A COMPREHENSIVE PRINCE DISCOGRAPHY (work in progress ^^): https://sites.google.com/...scography/ |
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I don't mind believing it, but where did you get that info from? | |
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OldFriends4Sale said:
I don't mind believing it, but where did you get that info from? that info is a couple years old.i think morris day said it to fellow orger blackguitaristz when black did session with him.my drawers guitar is all Prince | |
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Alexa de Paris was rehearsed but performed only a few times
so many gems that should have had more live showcase
The thing about the Parade tour is that unlike PR I don't think people were expecting a 'play by play' of the songs being similar to the movie so they could have done a lot more mixing things up 4 the Parade shows they did good with it though | |
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Anyone that has been programming minneapolis sound style drum beats with linn would agree that this is pure linn on 777-9311 My Soundcloud: https://soundcloud.com/tundrah | |
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