Do people really believe Prince fucked his own sister? Really?

Genesia said:

Do people really believe Prince fucked his own sister? Really?

i do not know. I think that the tone of the song is one of someone that felt victimized by the relationship. i think it is possible that there was some abuse. It is the conflict that makes me think there could be something to it.

Digifuwill said:

I always thought it was just a play on words....not his actual sister but a "Sista" that he was singing about!

me too, i never thought he was talking about a sibling.

saundo11 said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

Genesia said:

Do people really believe Prince fucked his own sister? Really?

i do not know. I think that the tone of the song is one of someone that felt victimized by the relationship. i think it is possible that there was some abuse. It is the conflict that makes me think there could be something to it.

that's true, the "don't put me on the street again" shows the power differential. I think P, being the sexual trickster he was, was giving us a taste of his own unique feminine posturing. we got to see lots more in the future. In any event, i've always loved the music, the music is horny without the lyrics, it's one of the only songs I can think of where the music turns me on and the lyrics turn me off.

petes2 said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

i do not know. I think that the tone of the song is one of someone that felt victimized by the relationship. i think it is possible that there was some abuse. It is the conflict that makes me think there could be something to it.

that's true, the "don't put me on the street again" shows the power differential. I think P, being the sexual trickster he was, was giving us a taste of his own unique feminine posturing. we got to see lots more in the future. In any event, i've always loved the music, the music is horny without the lyrics, it's one of the only songs I can think of where the music turns me on and the lyrics turn me off.

Agree. Not only did he write a song about incest, it was not an immature/cartoonish take on it (i.e., "i got to do my sister, har-de-har!). The ambivalence (desire & anger) seems real and sincere. I don't think it actually happened either, but boy is he a good "actor" in his songs!

I like your last statement because I've felt this strange dichotomy with a lot of P's work - something almost grotesque or ridiculous about it, yet I LOVE it. That's what sets him apart.

I don't know, he didn't make it seem convincing to me.

artist76 said:

petes2 said:

that's true, the "don't put me on the street again" shows the power differential. I think P, being the sexual trickster he was, was giving us a taste of his own unique feminine posturing. we got to see lots more in the future. In any event, i've always loved the music, the music is horny without the lyrics, it's one of the only songs I can think of where the music turns me on and the lyrics turn me off.

Agree. Not only did he write a song about incest, it was not an immature/cartoonish take on it (i.e., "i got to do my sister, har-de-har!). The ambivalence (desire & anger) seems real and sincere. I don't think it actually happened either, but boy is he a good "actor" in his songs!

I like your last statement because I've felt this strange dichotomy with a lot of P's work - something almost grotesque or ridiculous about it, yet I LOVE it. That's what sets him apart.

I played it once for a much older lady and we both went to town when I was young.

Genesia said:

Do people really believe Prince fucked his own sister? Really?

I mean if it was true, wouldn't we have heard proof of this already by the 16-years-older sister or by a relative of Prince by now? And judging from the reactions, how would we know if it was true anyway if someone did talk about it?

Timmy84 said:

Genesia said:

Do people really believe Prince fucked his own sister? Really?

I mean if it was true, wouldn't we have heard proof of this already by the 16-years-older sister or by a relative of Prince by now? And judging from the reactions, how would we know if it was true anyway if someone did talk about it?

the sister was 32 Prince was 16. As I said Lorna was 16 years older than Prince. And when Prince was 16 he moved to New York to live with her (16+16= 32). He was the victim she was the predator.

But again how do we know it's true that something actually occurred?

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Timmy84 said:

Genesia said:

Do people really believe Prince fucked his own sister? Really?

I mean if it was true, wouldn't we have heard proof of this already by the 16-years-older sister or by a relative of Prince by now? And judging from the reactions, how would we know if it was true anyway if someone did talk about it?

He should have just called the track "Shock Value" and called it a day.

i guess anything's possible. Prince has said that the album was based on life experience if I remember correctly. Doesn't mean anything, with Prince you never know what's what. Maybe he just wanted to take a dig at his sister, maybe he fantasized about her, who the fuck knows with that sick fuck. The facts we do know are that he went to New York I think he was around 17 or 18 at the time and lived with a sister. The sister tried unsuccessfully to get him a contract. Those are things that are substantiated, the rest we'll probably never know.

petes2 said:

i guess anything's possible. Prince has said that the album was based on life experience if I remember correctly. Doesn't mean anything, with Prince you never know what's what. Maybe he just wanted to take a dig at his sister, maybe he fantasized about her, who the fuck knows with that sick fuck. The facts we do know are that he went to New York I think he was around 17 or 18 at the time and lived with a sister. The sister tried unsuccessfully to get him a contract. Those are things that are substantiated, the rest we'll probably never know.

Yeah ANYTHING is possible with what he really means about "life experience" which maybe, just maybe, he never really experienced... again who knows?

Genesia said:

Timmy84 said:

I mean if it was true, wouldn't we have heard proof of this already by the 16-years-older sister or by a relative of Prince by now? And judging from the reactions, how would we know if it was true anyway if someone did talk about it?

He should have just called the track "Shock Value" and called it a day.

Yeah and remember he was saying a lot of things. The song "Jack U Off" gave off preconceived notions of his "real sexuality" whatever people thought he was.

Timmy84 said:

But again how do we know it's true that something actually occurred?

i doubt it was that involved. But there are some parts that are plausible. could have been just fantasy. But there are some reason to wonder.

OnlyNDaUsa said:

Timmy84 said:

But again how do we know it's true that something actually occurred?

i doubt it was that involved. But there are some parts that are plausible. could have been just fantasy. But there are some reason to wonder.

Or maybe he was pissed that she couldn't help him further in his career then so he wrote this song out of anger? lol again who knows with Prince?

Timmy84 said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

i doubt it was that involved. But there are some parts that are plausible. could have been just fantasy. But there are some reason to wonder.

Or maybe he was pissed that she couldn't help him further in his career then so he wrote this song out of anger? lol again who knows with Prince?

that's what i'm getting at, taking a dig at her in the only way he ever did/does, in song. Maybe he didn't get along with her when they lived together. However, do I really believe any of it at the end of the day? No, not a bit.

petes2 said:

Timmy84 said:

Or maybe he was pissed that she couldn't help him further in his career then so he wrote this song out of anger? lol again who knows with Prince?

that's what i'm getting at, taking a dig at her in the only way he ever did/does, in song. Maybe he didn't get along with her when they lived together. However, do I really believe any of it at the end of the day? No, not a bit.

For real.

Perhaps Prince didn't feel he was getting what he deserved (sound familiar?) from his sister so he hit the streets working the boys for cash and incest was his way of denying the samesex sales. Perhaps hitting back at his sister for 'forcing' him into the streetlife. Bet he got paid upfront.

Just a thought.

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TheEnglishGent said:

Every single one of Prince's lyrics are factual.

So Prince really has seen the future and was beaten up by thieves in a temple!!!!

Timmy84 said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

i doubt it was that involved. But there are some parts that are plausible. could have been just fantasy. But there are some reason to wonder.

Or maybe he was pissed that she couldn't help him further in his career then so he wrote this song out of anger? lol again who knows with Prince?

I heard an audio interview with Tyka when she was talking about her book and stuff, the interviewer asked her if family was ever shocked by any of Prince's songs; she said that they were not "shocked" by anything, but she found "Sister" annoying because people always asked her if she was THE sister.

She said that it was about their half-sister who was 16 yrs older than Prince, and they all thought she was the beautiful, sophisticated cool older sister, and so the song was kind of a tribute to her. Yup.

petes2 said:

artist76 said:

Agree. Not only did he write a song about incest, it was not an immature/cartoonish take on it (i.e., "i got to do my sister, har-de-har!). The ambivalence (desire & anger) seems real and sincere. I don't think it actually happened either, but boy is he a good "actor" in his songs!

I like your last statement because I've felt this strange dichotomy with a lot of P's work - something almost grotesque or ridiculous about it, yet I LOVE it. That's what sets him apart.

I played it once for a much older lady and we both went to town when I was young.

What does that mean, you both "went to town"?

petes2 said:

i guess anything's possible. Prince has said that the album was based on life experience if I remember correctly. Doesn't mean anything, with Prince you never know what's what. Maybe he just wanted to take a dig at his sister, maybe he fantasized about her, who the fuck knows with that sick fuck. The facts we do know are that he went to New York I think he was around 17 or 18 at the time and lived with a sister. The sister tried unsuccessfully to get him a contract. Those are things that are substantiated, the rest we'll probably never know.

That's what I always thought. I never took the song seriously. It's has sort of a tongue-in-check vibe to it.

artist76 said:

petes2 said:

I played it once for a much older lady and we both went to town when I was young.

What does that mean, you both "went to town"?

probably not what you're thinking it was nasty and good for both of us.

artist76 said:

Timmy84 said:

Or maybe he was pissed that she couldn't help him further in his career then so he wrote this song out of anger? lol again who knows with Prince?

I heard an audio interview with Tyka when she was talking about her book and stuff, the interviewer asked her if family was ever shocked by any of Prince's songs; she said that they were not "shocked" by anything, but she found "Sister" annoying because people always asked her if she was THE sister.

She said that it was about their half-sister who was 16 yrs older than Prince, and they all thought she was the beautiful, sophisticated cool older sister, and so the song was kind of a tribute to her. Yup.

"tribute"? what the fuck kind of tribute is that? Damn the whole family's sick.

petes2 said:

artist76 said:

What does that mean, you both "went to town"?

probably not what you're thinking it was nasty and good for both of us.

Sounds like it WAS what I was thinking, just for me that's a and for you it's a

So a Prince song actually can get someone laid. Interesting.

petes2 said:

artist76 said:

I heard an audio interview with Tyka when she was talking about her book and stuff, the interviewer asked her if family was ever shocked by any of Prince's songs; she said that they were not "shocked" by anything, but she found "Sister" annoying because people always asked her if she was THE sister.

She said that it was about their half-sister who was 16 yrs older than Prince, and they all thought she was the beautiful, sophisticated cool older sister, and so the song was kind of a tribute to her. Yup.

"tribute"? what the fuck kind of tribute is that? Damn the whole family's sick.

I know, right?

Yes, the song was a TRIBUTE to his wonderful, cool older sister. I may be mistaken, but I think she even said that the sister was flattered by it.

The interview link is on this thread http://prince.org/msg/7/315907

Don't know if the link still works, and interviewer was crappy and she goes on about her own "career," so if you can't/won't listen to it, just look at the last post by moneymade on that thread for confirmation.

artist76 said:

petes2 said:

probably not what you're thinking it was nasty and good for both of us.

Sounds like it WAS what I was thinking, just for me that's a and for you it's a

So a Prince song actually can get someone laid. Interesting.

listen to it with me sometime.

petes2 said:

artist76 said:

Sounds like it WAS what I was thinking, just for me that's a and for you it's a

So a Prince song actually can get someone laid. Interesting.

listen to it with me sometime.