80spfantwp said:

ohYeeeeeah said:

Yeah of course, I'm gonna give you a name, phone number and all.

Cut the bullcrap - you know how this works - you state 'news' and provide a link, or credible source. or you keep your bullshit rumours to yourself. Have a nice day now ;0

Hey Jeff... Much respect, but that's not actually how it works at all. It is oftentimes necessary to keep one's source anonomous.

imago said:

Giovanni777 said:

You all act as if you've never heard the 'Lotusflow3r' album... or rather listened to it. How could you argue that this album isn't one of the freshest sounding bodies of work that he's ever released? Seriously.

Because I didn't argue or address lotusflow3r at all.

I'm talking about Prince's current break...not anything he's done previously.

OK.

Sorry 'bout that.

Giovanni777 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Totally agree with this

When does go back into the studio 1st he should visit a studio with very simple recording equipment and then mess around with the instruments there and see what kinds of feeling and sounds he get's.

You all act as if you've never heard the 'Lotusflow3r' album... or rather listened to it. How could you argue that this album isn't one of the freshest sounding bodies of work that he's

ever released? Seriously.

I'm not following your 'accusation'

I never 'argued' that Lotusflow3r wasn't one of the freshest sounding bodies of work...

Where did I say or argue that? Where did Imago say that?

The original question is "Who thinks Prince won't release an album in 2012" I said I don't think he should.

I just think a nice studio break would be good instead of rushing another album out and the masses can't get it anyway

OldFriends4Sale said:

Giovanni777 said:

You all act as if you've never heard the 'Lotusflow3r' album... or rather listened to it. How could you argue that this album isn't one of the freshest sounding bodies of work that he's

ever released? Seriously.

I'm not following your 'accusation'

I never 'argued' that Lotusflow3r wasn't one of the freshest sounding bodies of work...

Where did I say or argue that? Where did Imago say that?

The original question is "Who thinks Prince won't release an album in 2012" I said I don't think he should.

I just think a nice studio break would be good instead of rushing another album out and the masses can't get it anyway

Look. I have much respect for you and Imago. I guess I just misinterpreted what you were saying. Your contributions to this site are invaluable.

Giovanni777 said:

80spfantwp said:

Cut the bullcrap - you know how this works - you state 'news' and provide a link, or credible source. or you keep your bullshit rumours to yourself. Have a nice day now ;0

Hey Jeff... Much respect, but that's not actually how it works at all. It is oftentimes necessary to keep one's source anonomous.

Respect right back at ya Giovanni. But c'mon - you've been here for the longest time too. We all know how many threads have been locked, or posts snipped, simply because they have no validity, cannot be backed up with fact.

I could say that Prince is going to release SOTT bluray disc soon - this based on my ASSUMPTION after reading the Wecome2Australia twitter feed from 18th july. But I don't know whether this is correct or not so I don't suggest for a minute this will happen

Now if, say, the Peach and Black podcast guys had heard that prince is to release multiple projects in sept but they cannot divulge what those releases are going to be I could buy the'sworn to secrecy' argument. I'm not asking for info on WHAT is allegedly going to be released. Merely an indication of the source. I don't think it's unreasonable to ask for this - lord knows enough bullshit lands up in here

80spfantwp said:

Giovanni777 said:

Hey Jeff... Much respect, but that's not actually how it works at all. It is oftentimes necessary to keep one's source anonomous.

Respect right back at ya Giovanni. But c'mon - you've been here for the longest time too. We all know how many threads have been locked, or posts snipped, simply because they have no validity, cannot be backed up with fact.

I could say that Prince is going to release SOTT bluray disc soon - this based on my ASSUMPTION after reading the Wecome2Australia twitter feed from 18th july. But I don't know whether this is correct or not so I don't suggest for a minute this will happen

Now if, say, the Peach and Black podcast guys had heard that prince is to release multiple projects in sept but they cannot divulge what those releases are going to be I could buy the'sworn to secrecy' argument. I'm not asking for info on WHAT is allegedly going to be released. Merely an indication of the source. I don't think it's unreasonable to ask for this - lord knows enough bullshit lands up in here

Fair enough... and dead on.

Now, let's all flash the LoveSign and sing "Kumbaya".

Guys, this thread is now about one compliment away from a full on orgy!

lawd

imago said:

Guys, this thread is now about one compliment away from a full on orgy!

lawd

Sign me up - and I've got my own lube

80spfantwp said:

imago said:

Guys, this thread is now about one compliment away from a full on orgy!

lawd

Sign me up - and I've got my own lube

^

80spfantwp said:

ohYeeeeeah said:

Yeah of course, I'm gonna give you a name, phone number and all.

Cut the bullcrap - you know how this works - you state 'news' and provide a link, or credible source. or you keep your bullshit rumours to yourself. Have a nice day now ;0

Hi hairy brit breast, don't be frustrated. Go to schkopi.com/forum, you will be by the way a lot more informed about Prince than on the org. They actually talk about it there as well. Even if it's not my source, Chris M (one of the best source on this forum) seems to be well informed as well.

When it is official, you will have to apologize, darling.

ohYeeeeeah said:

80spfantwp said:

Cut the bullcrap - you know how this works - you state 'news' and provide a link, or credible source. or you keep your bullshit rumours to yourself. Have a nice day now ;0

Hi hairy brit breast, don't be frustrated. Go to schkopi.com/forum, you will be by the way a lot more informed about Prince than on the org. They actually talk about it there as well. Even if it's not my source, Chris M (one of the best source on this forum) seems to be well informed as well.

When it is official, you will have to apologize, darling.

ohYeeeeeah responds with a source = thanks. When it's official I will darling

I think we would've already heard about a new album in 2012...

so my guess, from what DrFunkenberry hinted at,

it's very likely Prince is looking for a new outlet for his music

rather than just releasing a new cd. With so many choices like

Soundcloud, satellite radio, Netflix, fansites, online radio, youtube...I hope

he takes advantage of these newer media.

MIRvmn said:

I think there will be a new albumS this year and if its true that it will be in sep/or this fall then its great

[Edited 7/21/12 14:39pm]

Giovanni777 said:

fabriziovenerandi said:

Actually I hope he will not release new music. I'd like to have some old instead: from Crystal Ball II to Roadhouse Garden I'm afraid I can not listen the music he worked on in the past. After N.E.W.S. I have low interest in musicology/20ten releases.

Ciao, Fabrizio. How can you not like the 'Lotusflow3r' album?

I'm not able to find a soul inside the album. I can save crimson and clover, colonized mind and something from dreamer, but those song are mechanical, I don't feel a passion behind the sound and other tracks sound me as filler, demo sound, incoherent and showing me how the voice of Prince is changing... At the end of the cd I ask myself, why. Why he made this album and why I have to listen it again. I don't fell the need and the "urgency" to tell something new in music.

But I don't want to criticize a prince album in a prince forum. I only hope, before or late, to have the possibility to listen the songs he made when he wanted to show something new with the music.

f.

[Some days ago I put in a cd "god instrumental", "alexia de paris" and "xpedition". Well, I think there is more music in those 15 minutes that in last seven cds he releases ]

fantasticjoy said:

I think the way his "fans" so quickly trash his music has probably discouraged him from releasing anything so far. His latest releases might not be the groundbreaking classics he released in the 80's, but to me it's way above all this other r&b pop dance stuff on the radio these days. I believe deep inside he wants to please his fans musically, but they become a tough crowd.

I think it's because he doesn't have a good way to release the albums to the masses

And there are people out there making really good music in all genres. Just because it's Prince and he can play 10 instruments doesn't make it better.

He really needs to sit back and take his time and release music

I think the opportunity to reconnected with the Family the Time, the Revolution (SheilaE) could have done wonders 4 inspiration and motivation for Prince, he should have gone there.

OldFriends4Sale said:

I think it's because he doesn't have a good way to release the albums to the masses

Agree

And there are people out there making really good music in all genres. Just because it's Prince and he can play 10 instruments doesn't make it better.

Agree

He really needs to sit back and take his time and release music

Agree

I think the opportunity to reconnected with the Family the Time, the Revolution (SheilaE) could have done wonders 4 inspiration and motivation for Prince, he should have gone there.

Respectfully disagree, and here's why -

To 'go there' could either inspire or send the message that Prince is climbing aboard the nostalgia boat ( in the studio and not just with his touring as is arguably the case right now)

I actually believe Prince needs to work with musicians that inspire him to try new things - there's nothing to suggest it's only past associated artists that can do this - there are doubtless lots of artists - known or otherwise - who could do this.

I'll be unpopular for holding this opinion but here goes - I have a hunch that The Family, The Time, The Revolution, Sheila E would gain more from a future Prince involvement than Prince would. Imho he doesn't need any of them - that's not to say he should not treat them a bit better than he allegedly does - and maybe even lighten up regarding their shared history.

Prince simply needs to be inspired again - TRC was an inspired period - he can reach new hights

OldFriends4Sale said:

fantasticjoy said:

I think the way his "fans" so quickly trash his music has probably discouraged him from releasing anything so far. His latest releases might not be the groundbreaking classics he released in the 80's, but to me it's way above all this other r&b pop dance stuff on the radio these days. I believe deep inside he wants to please his fans musically, but they become a tough crowd.

I think it's because he doesn't have a good way to release the albums to the masses

I find this really odd, because as I've mentioned before, he could easily sell his CDs at concerts. Or he could have a decent non-membership website and sell them. Hell, even iTunes is a good option. Then again, who knows why Prince is holding back. Any theory is as good as another one, because most don't make too much sense anyway. For example, with Prince it could be something as crazy as him being displeased with fan backlash over his "Internet is over" comments by making 20ten very widly distributed over the same 'dead' Internet. Who knows? It's Prince. I just think given his financial resources and the options available out there, he could easily get his material to the masses.

And there are people out there making really good music in all genres. Just because it's Prince and he can play 10 instruments doesn't make it better.

YUP

He really needs to sit back and take his time and release music

YUP

I think the opportunity to reconnected with the Family the Time, the Revolution (SheilaE) could have done wonders 4 inspiration and motivation for Prince, he should have gone there.

I would prefer if he stopped listening to tried and tested old timers and legends, and watched some of the younger acts out there from various genres. There are a lot of indie artist and up and coming fushion artists who are doing some really interesting things---Prince is clever enough to absorb these influences and produce something that reflects this, but with better musicianship and control over his craft. As much as I like some of the Time's material, and The Family's material, it all just reminds me of better times. Prince should take his beat from the underground this time around.

[Edited 7/22/12 11:17am]

^ Imago I totally agree with your response regarding why collaborating with previous associated artists maybe wouldn't work, either for Prince or some of us the fans

80spfantwp said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I think it's because he doesn't have a good way to release the albums to the masses

Agree

And there are people out there making really good music in all genres. Just because it's Prince and he can play 10 instruments doesn't make it better.

Agree

He really needs to sit back and take his time and release music

Agree

I think the opportunity to reconnected with the Family the Time, the Revolution (SheilaE) could have done wonders 4 inspiration and motivation for Prince, he should have gone there.

Respectfully disagree, and here's why -

To 'go there' could either inspire or send the message that Prince is climbing aboard the nostalgia boat ( in the studio and not just with his touring as is arguably the case right now)

I actually believe Prince needs to work with musicians that inspire him to try new things - there's nothing to suggest it's only past associated artists that can do this - there are doubtless lots of artists - known or otherwise - who could do this.

I'll be unpopular for holding this opinion but here goes - I have a hunch that The Family, The Time, The Revolution, Sheila E would gain more from a future Prince involvement than Prince would. Imho he doesn't need any of them - that's not to say he should not treat them a bit better than he allegedly does - and maybe even lighten up regarding their shared history.

Prince simply needs to be inspired again - TRC was an inspired period - he can reach new hights

the reason I say that with the collaboration with those artists, and that isn't limited to just them, but knowing that come from them that he won't ever get with other people. I'm not even saying do it for the rest of his career. Just do it.

Also I believe Prince has climbed about the 'nastolgia' stage in various degrees by playing 'old soul music' covers, He's performed with Sheila E up to the beginning of the Welcome 2 America tours, in the last 3-4 yrs(?) he's had Morris & Jerome open for him, Lisa & Wendy back him etc and I don't think it lessened his 'whatever' actually in very good ways it seems to have heightened to show

It get's hard as you get older and settled

imago said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I think it's because he doesn't have a good way to release the albums to the masses

I find this really odd, because as I've mentioned before, he could easily sell his CDs at concerts. Or he could have a decent non-membership website and sell them. Hell, even iTunes is a good option. Then again, who knows why Prince is holding back. Any theory is as good as another one, because most don't make too much sense anyway. For example, with Prince it could be something as crazy as him being displeased with fan backlash over his "Internet is over" comments by making 20ten very widly distributed over the same 'dead' Internet. Who knows? It's Prince. I just think given his financial resources and the options available out there, he could easily get his material to the masses.

And there are people out there making really good music in all genres. Just because it's Prince and he can play 10 instruments doesn't make it better.

YUP

He really needs to sit back and take his time and release music

YUP

I think the opportunity to reconnected with the Family the Time, the Revolution (SheilaE) could have done wonders 4 inspiration and motivation for Prince, he should have gone there.

I would prefer if he stopped listening to tried and tested old timers and legends, and watched some of the younger acts out there from various genres. There are a lot of indie artist and up and coming fushion artists who are doing some really interesting things---Prince is clever enough to absorb these influences and produce something that reflects this, but with better musicianship and control over his craft. As much as I like some of the Time's material, and The Family's material, it all just reminds me of better times. Prince should take his beat from the underground this time around.

[Edited 7/22/12 11:17am]

I'm with you on the tried & test old timers like Larry Graham

Maybe a little collaboration with (maybe not even the Time) but Jesse Johnson Monte Moore Dr Fink Susannah etc etc because in large ways they are probably more connected to what's happening out there musically than Prince is, and it would be coming from more mature people

I think Prince's life is very disconnected from 'everyday living' which is why a lot of his song lately are very 'vague' in interpretation or we get the 'there will never be another like me' songs

80spfantwp said:

^ Imago I totally agree with your response regarding why collaborating with previous associated artists maybe wouldn't work, either for Prince or some of us the fans

Co-sign, don't think a collaboration with these old guys would be a great idea. The here and now needs something different. Apart from that the biggest problem of Prince is: he doesn't strive for the very best. He is on auto-pilot most of the time and satisfied with creating some by-the-numbers songs.

[Edited 7/22/12 13:32pm]

fantasticjoy said:

I think the way his "fans" so quickly trash his music has probably discouraged him from releasing anything so far. His latest releases might not be the groundbreaking classics he released in the 80's, but to me it's way above all this other r&b pop dance stuff on the radio these days. I believe deep inside he wants to please his fans musically, but they become a tough crowd.

I agree with the "tough crowd" comment for the most part - especially as his

core fan-base ages. Many fans expect 80's or 90's Prince - but he's growing as

an artist and has simply moved on.

At the same time, I don't think Prince cares if the

malcontents trash his music. He's gonna put out a cd or a single when he feels

the urge to say something - or get us dancing our asses off !

Personally I love his new music and look forward to every new cd -

and I've been a fan since 1999(I was 13 years old...).

Some thought provoking comments imago/ funkomatic/ OF4S/ XNY

Re. past associations: Yes we have seen Prince work again with W&L, Sheila, Morris, Micheal B, Sonny T (albeit briefly).

But it does seem like Prince is clear about not wanting to present a whole project with a full out reunion of any sort. I just think maybe he recognises that to do so would likely be seen as 'the end game' - i.e. admitting that said associated artists are needed for mainstream success. I simply don't think prince's ego would allow it (that's presuming any past associated artists collab would be a commercial success).

I love the idea of prince collab with creative unknowns - a true collab with equal talent put down in the studio would surely peak my interest and maybe represent a breath of fresh air. Even give Prince something worthwile to say lyrically.

Andy Allo could well be such an artist - but the lack of guitar talent/ fb focus on 'fashion and photography' rather than music, and image becoming more Prince orientated just implies much of a muchness

I do agree that prince appears to be in a rut. I'm kinda glad a live dvd of W2 GA doesn't exist because imho Montreux 2009 was far more inspired, as was ONA, as was Musicology.

I watched a programme about Mark Knopfler the other evening and it was so refreshing to see him performing in intimate settings - acoustically - and clearly delivering with passion and enthusiasm.

Maybe this Superconductor Tour and what follows from Prince will be a return to form and away from the hits. In which case I don't care how long we have to wait.

Whatever ,whenever,however it will be released . It will b simply a "MasterPiece".....

Big ups 2 kiran