Bohemian67 said:

rdhull said:

Oh it doesn't?..there's only a rex stroke breakdown tying in the ills of the world with each pump and a battle royale between the synth and geetar.

The tune is friendly sounding (the version I'm listening to) and the lyrics are about disappointment, confusion with the world and lonliness but sorry no anger there. Irritation yes.

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bullshit

irritation..are u kidding me? lol...okayyyyyy

Bohemian67 said:

chopingard said:

Face Down

Lady cab driver -hardly sounds angry

P-Funk - nope no anger there - a funky comical response to a sticky situation

Facedown - more satirical

Billy Jack Bitch - more pop tune with sarcasm nothing else

I hate u - a sad love song with an ambiguous title

Any other suggestions?

Hmmmm, maybe make sure you know what you're talking about before posting? How's that for a suggestion.

Thanks for letting us all now that Billy Jack Bitch was a pop tune (now, that WAS sarcasm). Prince was really pissed off about the things the "journalist" CJ was writing about him. The Kid doesn't like criticism, especially when it incudes making fun of his height. The song was motivated by anger, pure and simple, its lyrics are angry (sarcastic or not) - its an angry song. Not difficult really. Whether the song sounds poppy or not is irrelevant.

Thank you so much. Do come again.

rdhull said:

Bohemian67 said:

The tune is friendly sounding (the version I'm listening to) and the lyrics are about disappointment, confusion with the world and lonliness but sorry no anger there. Irritation yes.

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bullshit

irritation..are u kidding me? lol...okayyyyyy

I think B67 has an endearingly simplistic idea of what an angry song is. Frantic drumming, big distorted guitars, screaming gutteral vocals with lyrics like "I'm very f*cking angry everybody, and I mean it!!!". Not one for subtlety, our friend Bohemian...its kinda cute really.

Prince, please make your songs more emotionally transparent...some of us are having trouble working out what's going on!

SDNafka said:

rdhull said:

bullshit

irritation..are u kidding me? lol...okayyyyyy

I think B67 has an endearingly simplistic idea of what an angry song is. Frantic drumming, big distorted guitars, screaming gutteral vocals with lyrics like "I'm very f*cking angry everybody, and I mean it!!!". Not one for subtlety, our friend Bohemian...its kinda cute really.

Prince, please make your songs more emotionally transparent...some of us are having trouble working out what's going on!

Billy Jack Bitch wasn't an angry song? Uuuuh..... yeah.

rdhull said:

I know it's purple blasphemy it took so long..maybe I did seee it previously but didn't remember . I never really liked the song as it seems childish sounding and I know it's a "must see" of Prince television, but..

Mayte all over the place was weird..it would have worked better if she wasn't doing her ballet all over the place but she is crucial to the ending death in arms scene..but lmao at the bodyguard carrying him out.

That ending took some cajones (balls for the rosetta stone inpaired).

The song reminds me of a passage in Three Chains Of Gold.

He doesn't look healthy here. I'm reminded of that because of how healthy and strong he looks now

almost 20 years later. As this was the slave era, I'm sure it was taking a toll on him physically and mentally, which I did read somewhere.

His voice wasn't too hot on this live cut but overall the experience is B+/-A-.

Again the suicide and being carried out is "like whoah"-(c)Mya

The follow up performance was the AMA where he was spiritually re-birthed.

SDNafka said:

I think B67 has an endearingly simplistic idea of what an angry song is. Frantic drumming, big distorted guitars, screaming gutteral vocals with lyrics like "I'm very f*cking angry everybody, and I mean it!!!". Not one for subtlety, our friend Bohemian...its kinda cute really.

Prince, please make your songs more emotionally transparent...some of us are having trouble working out what's going on!

Actually, you're wrong. Prince has distorted (imo) guitar in many songs and they're not angry sounding, just an element of music that has its own sound. Your lyrics ideas are also off course. I think you can hear emotions in music and anger also being an emotion can be heard in some tracks. I disagree too that I am 'not one for subtlety' I am just waiting to listen to a track that I could identify as angry immediately. I think anger is a more complex emotion that the more peaceful ones so I am interested to hear differences in the tunes that portray this. I will later re-lsiten to the tracks and see if I missed it. And find some examples of angry sounding musics to compare. I'm not saying Prince wrote those mentioned songs when he was not angry, I'm just saying I don't really feel/hear the anger.

Was anyone else there the day of the performance? It was funny when Prince took off in his limo, leaving Mayte behind, surrounded by fans in her goofy outfit. Was about a minute or two before the limo came back to collect her.

kewlschool said:

The follow up performance was the AMA where he was spiritually re-birthed.

AMA, even tho it was lip synched...

I was shocked how good it was back then...

Purple Medley,

I Hate U

319

just Wow........ looking at it now it's maybe nothing special,

but THEN I was "shocked".. like this.. :

LittlePurpleYoda said:

Was anyone else there the day of the performance? It was funny when Prince took off in his limo, leaving Mayte behind, surrounded by fans in her goofy outfit. Was about a minute or two before the limo came back to collect her.

See post #4 by chewymusic.

So it was the same limo that came back around? Chewymusic wrote a second limo drove up, but you're probably right that it was one limo. lol

Did Mayte look irritated?

artist76 said:

LittlePurpleYoda said:

Was anyone else there the day of the performance? It was funny when Prince took off in his limo, leaving Mayte behind, surrounded by fans in her goofy outfit. Was about a minute or two before the limo came back to collect her.

See post #4 by chewymusic.

So it was the same limo that came back around? Chewymusic wrote a second limo drove up, but you're probably right that it was one limo. lol

Did Mayte look irritated?

Yes, it was the same limo. Those of us there got a couple of things - one was a little black & white photo with the lyrics to Dolphin on the back & the other, if I remember right, was a version of the tantrum letter Prince had published about being a slave, which WB responded to in a letter using symbols of their own.

SDNafka said:

Hmmmm, maybe make sure you know what you're talking about before posting? How's that for a suggestion.

Thanks for letting us all now that Billy Jack Bitch was a pop tune (now, that WAS sarcasm). Prince was really pissed off about the things the "journalist" CJ was writing about him. The Kid doesn't like criticism, especially when it incudes making fun of his height. The song was motivated by anger, pure and simple, its lyrics are angry (sarcastic or not) - its an angry song. Not difficult really. Whether the song sounds poppy or not is irrelevant.

Thank you so much. Do come again.

So because you don't like my interpretations that means I don't know what I'm talking about? Egotistical observation but then your signature warns of that.

Yes, I have re-listened and I'd still classifyBJB under pop & I find it relevant because pop is happy go lucky and not angry. The later horns are less poppy but the beat and general sound are. Synths and a guitar jam don't spell anger either.

By the way. 'The Kid doesn't like criticism'.....do you know someone in life who does? I know she was extremely critical of Prince, deserves the song, and I'll agree the song was motivated by anger but not that the song sounds angry. And adding 'bitch' doesn't make it angry either, more bitter. Which is fine, I'm not a fan of the song anyway. But he only questions her bitterness, offering her another ride if she'd get rid of the distorted lies and it even ends with a laugh. That's not anger. It's sarcasm. The two are cousins but they're different.

As for Lady Cab driver - also really relaxed tune. Yes he goes on a rant about the injustice in the world, but with a woman orgasming in the background. Is that meant to pass on an angry message? In the lyrics, he doesn't know where to go which is more confusion. Apart for some guitar & synths meshing which is quite a common feature in Prince music the tune is as laid back as 'strolling' excluding the lyrics.

KeithyT said:

Had U seems bitter-angry

Bitter and disappointed yes. Thanks for your reply.

Nice tune though, very laid back.

Bohemian67 said:

chopingard said:

Face Down

Lady cab driver -hardly sounds angry

P-Funk - nope no anger there - a funky comical response to a sticky situation

Facedown - more satirical

Billy Jack Bitch - more pop tune with sarcasm nothing else

I hate u - a sad love song with an ambiguous title

Any other suggestions?

Days of Wild maybe?

Bohemian67, you probably think that Seinfelds' soup nazi is just a misunderstood cook who is expresses his tenderness via growls as a form of his love.

Then again your name IS Bohemian.....

GeminiBrown said:

Days of Wild maybe?

Thanks. Actually, yes, this sounds 'angriesh'. Cursing and shouting with a sharp beat comes over as agressive. Not that 'being wild' is agressive or angry because it can be about being 'free' in a sense. Interesting lyrics.

'A woman everyday should be thanked
Not disrespected, not raped or spanked
And if a woman ever said I did,
She's a muthafuckin' liar and I'm a set-up kid
And I can tear shit up ya'll that's my style
These are the days of wild.'

Bohemian67 said:

SDNafka said:

Hmmmm, maybe make sure you know what you're talking about before posting? How's that for a suggestion.

Thanks for letting us all now that Billy Jack Bitch was a pop tune (now, that WAS sarcasm). Prince was really pissed off about the things the "journalist" CJ was writing about him. The Kid doesn't like criticism, especially when it incudes making fun of his height. The song was motivated by anger, pure and simple, its lyrics are angry (sarcastic or not) - its an angry song. Not difficult really. Whether the song sounds poppy or not is irrelevant.

Thank you so much. Do come again.

So because you don't like my interpretations that means I don't know what I'm talking about? Egotistical observation but then your signature warns of that.

Yes, I have re-listened and I'd still classifyBJB under pop & I find it relevant because pop is happy go lucky and not angry. The later horns are less poppy but the beat and general sound are. Synths and a guitar jam don't spell anger either.

By the way. 'The Kid doesn't like criticism'.....do you know someone in life who does? I know she was extremely critical of Prince, deserves the song, and I'll agree the song was motivated by anger but not that the song sounds angry. And adding 'bitch' doesn't make it angry either, more bitter. Which is fine, I'm not a fan of the song anyway. But he only questions her bitterness, offering her another ride if she'd get rid of the distorted lies and it even ends with a laugh. That's not anger. It's sarcasm. The two are cousins but they're different.

As for Lady Cab driver - also really relaxed tune. Yes he goes on a rant about the injustice in the world, but with a woman orgasming in the background. Is that meant to pass on an angry message? In the lyrics, he doesn't know where to go which is more confusion. Apart for some guitar & synths meshing which is quite a common feature in Prince music the tune is as laid back as 'strolling' excluding the lyrics.

You set yourself up as the expert on which Prince songs might be called angry by arrogantly dismissing, in a quite off-hand manner, the very reasonable suggestions that had been made by a number of extremely knowledgeable orgers - including your cerebrally superior current interlocutor. Then you call me egotistical? Cuddly little me? Good lord. Go to dictionary.com and type the word "irony" into the search window when you get the chance (no, its not a cutesy name for a type of metal).

What I've said stands. You can bleat all you like.

From your "responses" (such as they are), you're missing the point entirely, but I suspect that's delinerate. Your sole concern seems to be producing enough hot air to inflate your already considerable ego even further.

Come on now. We're all friends here. You're just wrong, that's all. Its nothing to be a ashamed of. I've been wrong myself (as recently as 1996 in fact). Accept it and you'll be surprised at how the universe rewards you.

Bohemian67 said:

GeminiBrown said:

Days of Wild maybe?

Thanks. Actually, yes, this sounds 'angriesh'. Cursing and shouting with a sharp beat comes over as agressive. Not that 'being wild' is agressive or angry because it can be about being 'free' in a sense. Interesting lyrics.

'A woman everyday should be thanked
Not disrespected, not raped or spanked
And if a woman ever said I did,
She's a muthafuckin' liar and I'm a set-up kid
And I can tear shit up ya'll that's my style
These are the days of wild.'

You've just proved my point. You have a very simplistic notion of what an "angry" song is. The singer doesn't have to have an angry tone or curse and shout for a song to be angry.

Its obviously not getting through - I'll leave it there.

(I try and try and try with you kids)

If I remember correctly, there was a short comedy bit at the beginning with Prince, Letterman, & Paul Schaffer.

runphilrun said:

If I remember correctly, there was a short comedy bit at the beginning with Prince, Letterman, & Paul Schaffer.

Yeah. Paul Schaffer introduced Prince to Letterman, saying something like "The artist formerly known as Prince, meet the artist currently known as pinhead'...and I think Letterman was drinking something and spat it out in mock shock at being called a pinhead. Prince didn't say anything but did some nice deadpan face acting.

LittlePurpleYoda said:

artist76 said:

See post #4 by chewymusic.

So it was the same limo that came back around? Chewymusic wrote a second limo drove up, but you're probably right that it was one limo. lol

Did Mayte look irritated?

Yes, it was the same limo. Those of us there got a couple of things - one was a little black & white photo with the lyrics to Dolphin on the back & the other, if I remember right, was a version of the tantrum letter Prince had published about being a slave, which WB responded to in a letter using symbols of their own.

I didn't get any hand out thingies that night. I also didn't have "slave" written on my face

I didn't try and rush them so I was behind Mayte & I coudn't see her reaction.

I also couldn't tell the difference between the limos or if it was the same limo that came back around or whatever.

I was most likely and I'm probably lucky to remember as much as I have.

Bohemian67 said:

When MJ was angry it came out in 'Leave me alone' (media) 'they don't care about us' and Morphine. Maybe some others too.

Has Prince ever made a really angry song? He's done sarcasm really well, distaste and a bit of hard rap 'I'll tell you' stuff.....But has he ever written and released an angry track? Really releasing the negative emotions? If not...what does he do with all. Synthesize it all to goodness?

So you dismiss "Billy Jack Bitch" and "Lady Cab Driver" as not being angry because they are "pop" songs yet you cite Michael Jackson's "Leave Me Alone" as an example of an "angry" song? Does this strike anyone else as not making sense?

rdhull said:

Bohemian67, you probably think that Seinfelds' soup nazi is just a misunderstood cook who is expresses his tenderness via growls as a form of his love.

Then again your name IS Bohemian.....

I had to look up Seinfeld to check who it was so your idea as to what I 'could' think is way off.

Just watched, his voice sounds kind of weak, like it's in an uncomfortable register.

rialb said:

So you dismiss "Billy Jack Bitch" and "Lady Cab Driver" as not being angry because they are "pop" songs yet you cite Michael Jackson's "Leave Me Alone" as an example of an "angry" song? Does this strike anyone else as not making sense?

I don't dismiss them because they are 'pop' in itself. I'm saying the sound of the whole tune is carefree & if you didn't hear the lyrics you wouldn't hear the anger. MJ's morphine is barely pop in my book (I don't listen to the song) the others are, but the lyrics are quite explicitly aggressive. Lady Cab driver (title is important) is soft enough and he's willing to pay for the ride with his tears. He doesn't know how long he can last, he's really sad and frustrated. Whereas MJ's 'leave me alone' is a blatant and explicit opening:

I Don't Care What You Talkin' 'Bout Baby
I Don't Care What You think

BJB the title is angry enough but then rap often use bitch in their music. The music again is fairly friendly sounding. But the song starts and ends with laughter (sarcasm) and he's concerned about whether she's ever cried etc and about 'What misfortune left your heart so broken.' Even though it might be superficial concern, BJB is still asked to 'please access another experience.' Spells irritation and sarcasm to me, or very disguised passive aggression and not outright anger as in e.g.

They don't care about us'

Everybody gone bad /mad/ Everybody dog food
Beat me, hate me...You can never break me
Will me, thrill me.... You can never kill me
Jew me, sue me... Everybody do me
Kick me, kick me Don't you black or white me

And Morphine pretty explict too

'He's just a bitch baby
You make me sick baby
I'm such a swine baby
I hate your kind baby'

SDNafka said: I think B67 has an endearingly simplistic idea of what an angry song is.

SDNafka said:

You set yourself up as the expert on which Prince songs might be called angry by arrogantly dismissing, in a quite off-hand manner, the very reasonable suggestions that had been made by a number of extremely knowledgeable orgers - including your cerebrally superior current interlocutor.

You SNDafka set yourself up as the expert. Who are you to judge what I define or constitute as an angry song or not? Or my subjective opinion of what I think of it? The comments were about Prince and his songs, not you. I have no desire to be an expert. What for?

Then you call me egotistical? Cuddly little me? Good lord. Go to dictionary.com and type the word "irony" into the search window when you get the chance (no, its not a cutesy name for a type of metal).

I called you egotisical because of your first comment. Ironical hey?

From your "responses" (such as they are), you're missing the point entirely, but I suspect that's delinerate. Your sole concern seems to be producing enough hot air to inflate your already considerable ego even further.

'don't hate me cos I'm beautiful' SNDafka.

Come on now. We're all friends here. You're just wrong, that's all. Its nothing to be a ashamed of. I've been wrong myself (as recently as 1996 in fact). Accept it and you'll be surprised at how the universe rewards you.

Your condescending attitude doesn't amuse me. When I said you were wrong, it was your because your prediction about what I think an angry song is, was so off course it was hilarious. See your quote below: And by the way right and wrong in things like this are sheer figments of the imagination.

Frantic drumming, big distorted guitars, screaming gutteral vocals with lyrics like "I'm very f*cking angry everybody, and I mean it!!!"

You still didn't answer my question in response to your comment:

'The Kid doesn't like criticism'.....

Do you know someone in life who does?

In the future, please do take your own advice and use a dictionary if you need to respond to my posts with swearing. There are other words available you know.

Back on topic. I am still open to more suggestions about angry songs from Prince.

Anybody who thinks Billy Jack Bitch a straight up pissed off joint doesn't know what the song is about. That's about as mad as Prince ever got.

now if that ulysees version could leak out properly.....

rdhull said:

I know it's purple blasphemy it took so long..maybe I did seee it previously but didn't remember . I never really liked the song as it seems childish sounding and I know it's a "must see" of Prince television, but..

Mayte all over the place was weird..it would have worked better if she wasn't doing her ballet all over the place but she is crucial to the ending death in arms scene..but lmao at the bodyguard carrying him out.

That ending took some cajones (balls for the rosetta stone inpaired).

The song reminds me of a passage in Three Chains Of Gold.

He doesn't look healthy here. I'm reminded of that because of how healthy and strong he looks now

almost 20 years later. As this was the slave era, I'm sure it was taking a toll on him physically and mentally, which I did read somewhere.

His voice wasn't too hot on this live cut but overall the experience is B+/-A-.

Again the suicide and being carried out is "like whoah"-(c)Mya

I played and rewound this probably a hundred times back then. I remember reading about the song in Controversy magazing, and Mayte's description of it was very intriguing. It didn't disappoint. The performance was odd, but kind of fascinating. I remember feeling like he exited the way did so he wouldn't have to shake Dave's hand and look freakishly small next to him. He did the same thing on Arsenio. After each song, he found a way to get off stage before Arsenio could get over there and shake his hand. Weird.

I'm also remembering the bit at the beginning of the show where Paul is introducing Prince to Dave and saying, "Artist formerly known as Prince, meet the artist currently known as pinhead," and Dave spitting out his water.

Oh yea! And before the performance, Dave introducing him saying something to the effect of, "...performing a song from The Gold Experience, which will never be released. So it makes perfect sense that he's here promoting it tonight."

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