Madonna will go down in history as one of the most successful entertainers. Prince has already been forgotten by the masses. He hasn't been relative in over 15 years.

motherfunka said:

Madonna will go down in history as one of the most successful entertainers. Prince has already been forgotten by the masses. He hasn't been relative in over 15 years.

Yeah and keep smoking the good stuff! Prince is everyone's darling when his show comes to town. He may have slowed down in putting out albums, but he's definitely the "Hardest Working Man In Showbusiness" now since James Brown did it to death.

motherfunka said:

Madonna will go down in history as one of the most successful entertainers. Prince has already been forgotten by the masses. He hasn't been relative in over 15 years.

For the better. Genius is best lost and rediscovered. It doesn't deserve to be relevant to those who refuse to see it, let alone search for it.

He will be appreciated beyond belief, long after the wails and cries of today have subsided.

In my opinion.

MarquessMarq said:

motherfunka said:

Madonna will go down in history as one of the most successful entertainers. Prince has already been forgotten by the masses. He hasn't been relative in over 15 years.

For the better. Genius is best lost and rediscovered. It doesn't deserve to be relevant to those who refuse to see it, let alone search for it.

He will be appreciated beyond belief, long after the wails and cries of today have subsided.

In my opinion.

I don't agree that he is forgotten by the masses. Define who you meant by "the masses". Those who like lipsink and everyting is memorexed? Yeah I misspelled on purpose.

motherfunka said:

Madonna will go down in history as one of the most successful entertainers. Prince has already been forgotten by the masses. He hasn't been relative in over 15 years.

You postin as if they are playing Madonna post 80's shit (save Music and ROL singles) in clubs.

When it comes to the Madonna V P discussion, there is none, simple as...

I was into both when they hit the (international) scene in 84, ok, I remember Madonna in 82 (oddly being shocked she had boobs when first seeing the "like A Virgin" music video) as well, but as to who has stood time, as a respected musician, performer and entertainer...no brainer.

Simply put, once I got over the fact that she had nice titties, which she showed off, and growing up in Ireland was opressive, I no longer hold Madonna as an artist in any regard, on P´s level at least, more like a champion for women.

No woman in the modern world has done more than her, she emancipated women, although I do wonder did she go too far sometimes...

The very nice part about Madonna`s success from a Prince POV, is that he opened the back door for her in 1984...

That might sound obsure, but revisit the 80´s, particularily 84, us election, LA olympics, jackson 5 tour, stevie wonder, lionel ritchie and MJ, opps The Boss as well §BORN IN DA usa§..uget the picture...

MarquessMarq said:

motherfunka said:

Madonna will go down in history as one of the most successful entertainers. Prince has already been forgotten by the masses. He hasn't been relative in over 15 years.

For the better. Genius is best lost and rediscovered. It doesn't deserve to be relevant to those who refuse to see it, let alone search for it.

He will be appreciated beyond belief, long after the wails and cries of today have subsided.

In my opinion.

Exactly...

joyinrepetition said:

motherfunka said:

Madonna will go down in history as one of the most successful entertainers. Prince has already been forgotten by the masses. He hasn't been relative in over 15 years.

Yeah and keep smoking the good stuff! Prince is everyone's darling when his show comes to town. He may have slowed down in putting out albums, but he's definitely the "Hardest Working Man In Showbusiness" now since James Brown did it to death.

Well, in LA, he was everybody's darling because during his 21 nights stint he was selling his tickets for $10.00 to fill in the massive sections of empty seats. And the Welcome To... schtick is getting old. He did it in Europe, US, Canada and from the reports, the same shit in Australia. He's not even proud of his new shit to perform it live... yet another mind numbing version of Purple Rain...snooze. The cheesy twins wrapping Prince in a sheet and the irritating Shelby waving that "angel," flag. Bad, cheap, theatrics. Don't get me wrong I saw his LA stint four times when he did the 21 Nights in LA, I think for all four shows I did not pay more than $80. The best of the shows for me was when he did the tripe threat of Adore, Insatiable and Scandelous, but that's when people when out to get there beer.

I view Madge on a completely differenct level. Her tours are mostly big over the top spectacles with a heavy emphasis on her new stuff. It's refreshing, fun and just plain cool.

BlackAdder7 said:

Prince's super bowl halftime show was arguably the best ever Presented. It began a renaissance and kicked an amazing tour which after a hiatus continues in Australia. (in my opinion of Course) Madonnas halftime how had a lot of Flash but little substance. She shuffled with lmfao and guest star Mia flipped her finger to the world. Madonna bought her way to the top of the charts by marrying sales of Mdna to tickets sales (ala prince). It's backfired because it's Dropped off the charts. The producer of Mdna is pissed at her for how she's handled the cd. While prince hasnt come out with any New music he Has stayed relevant by touring. Long live prince

Yes because giving away your last album through a gossip rag in the UK and the UK only is a definite way to hit the charts. And in your estimate, Prince bought his way too? At least with Madge fans had the option to get the album with their concert ticket before the shows, if they want it. Prince gave it away to everyone as they walked into the show and it littered the parking lot, afterward.

rdhull said:

motherfunka said:

Madonna will go down in history as one of the most successful entertainers. Prince has already been forgotten by the masses. He hasn't been relative in over 15 years.

You postin as if they are playing Madonna post 80's shit (save Music and ROL singles) in clubs.

What clubs are you going to? "Girl Gone Wild" is being played ad nauseum at both straight and gay clubs and it's being mixed by DJs at the music festivals I've been to this year. Prince? Well I think they still play "Kiss," at weddings.

TheResistor said:

rdhull said:

You postin as if they are playing Madonna post 80's shit (save Music and ROL singles) in clubs.

What clubs are you going to? "Girl Gone Wild" is being played ad nauseum at both straight and gay clubs and it's being mixed by DJs at the music festivals I've been to this year. Prince? Well I think they still play "Kiss," at weddings.

I haven't clubbed in a year and a half and they dont play her much..or Prince for that matter.

TheResistor said:

joyinrepetition said:

Yeah and keep smoking the good stuff! Prince is everyone's darling when his show comes to town. He may have slowed down in putting out albums, but he's definitely the "Hardest Working Man In Showbusiness" now since James Brown did it to death.

Well, in LA, he was everybody's darling because during his 21 nights stint he was selling his tickets for $10.00 to fill in the massive sections of empty seats. And the Welcome To... schtick is getting old. He did it in Europe, US, Canada and from the reports, the same shit in Australia. He's not even proud of his new shit to perform it live... yet another mind numbing version of Purple Rain...snooze. The cheesy twins wrapping Prince in a sheet and the irritating Shelby waving that "angel," flag. Bad, cheap, theatrics. Don't get me wrong I saw his LA stint four times when he did the 21 Nights in LA, I think for all four shows I did not pay more than $80. The best of the shows for me was when he did the tripe threat of Adore, Insatiable and Scandelous, but that's when people when out to get there beer.

I view Madge on a completely differenct level. Her tours are mostly big over the top spectacles with a heavy emphasis on her new stuff. It's refreshing, fun and just plain cool.

U must love Cowell & Cheryl, they are fresh, fun and really cool...to be fair, whatever world you live in, is a very sad one, sorry, but that is what it is, just like your avatar, if you even know what that is...

rdhull said:

TheResistor said:

What clubs are you going to? "Girl Gone Wild" is being played ad nauseum at both straight and gay clubs and it's being mixed by DJs at the music festivals I've been to this year. Prince? Well I think they still play "Kiss," at weddings.

I haven't clubbed in a year and a half and they dont play her much..or Prince for that matter.

Unfortunately, I still do. LOL! And don't get me wrong the shit they play at straight and gay clubs is unbearable. I have to go for work. I prefer and usually end up at monthly "parties," like "Club Rhonda" in L.A, which has a new venue every month. To give you and idea of how cool those parties are they dubbed last week's party "Club Donna," in honor of Donna Summer. I actually danced to "Try Me, I Know We Can Make It," in it's 17 minute glory for the first time in my 37 years. It was bliss.

Whitnail said:

TheResistor said:

Well, in LA, he was everybody's darling because during his 21 nights stint he was selling his tickets for $10.00 to fill in the massive sections of empty seats. And the Welcome To... schtick is getting old. He did it in Europe, US, Canada and from the reports, the same shit in Australia. He's not even proud of his new shit to perform it live... yet another mind numbing version of Purple Rain...snooze. The cheesy twins wrapping Prince in a sheet and the irritating Shelby waving that "angel," flag. Bad, cheap, theatrics. Don't get me wrong I saw his LA stint four times when he did the 21 Nights in LA, I think for all four shows I did not pay more than $80. The best of the shows for me was when he did the tripe threat of Adore, Insatiable and Scandelous, but that's when people when out to get there beer.

I view Madge on a completely differenct level. Her tours are mostly big over the top spectacles with a heavy emphasis on her new stuff. It's refreshing, fun and just plain cool.

U must love Cowell & Cheryl, they are fresh, fun and really cool...to be fair, whatever world you live in, is a very sad one, sorry, but that is what it is, just like your avatar, if you even know what that is...

My life is wonderful! But thanks for the assumption. And I don't know who Cowell & Cheryl are. I just have the ability to appreciate artists for what they have to offer. I don't go to a Madonna show for rip-roaring guitar solos, I go for fun over the top shows. All of her shows have been like that since 1990. And my beloved Prince used to have highly theatric shows too. I saw the Purple Rain show when I was ten years old and have probably seen him live over 20 times.

As for my Avatar? Well, yes I know what it is. It's the movie poster for the movie version of "The Informers," from the Bret Easton Ellis novel of the same name. I guess you think of me (some stranger on the internet) as a mannequin.

TheResistor said:

Whitnail said:

U must love Cowell & Cheryl, they are fresh, fun and really cool...to be fair, whatever world you live in, is a very sad one, sorry, but that is what it is, just like your avatar, if you even know what that is...

My life is wonderful! But thanks for the assumption. And I don't know who Cowell & Cheryl are. I just have the ability to appreciate artists for what they have to offer. I don't go to a Madonna show for rip-roaring guitar solos, I go for fun over the top shows. All of her shows have been like that since 1990. And my beloved Prince used to have highly theatric shows too. I saw the Purple Rain show when I was ten years old and have probably seen him live over 20 times.

As for my Avatar? Well, yes I know what it is. It's the movie poster for the movie version of "The Informers," from the Bret Easton Ellis novel of the same name. I guess you think of me (some stranger on the internet) as a mannequin.

Fair enough...lol, i knew i knew that mannaquin

TheResistor said:

joyinrepetition said:

Yeah and keep smoking the good stuff! Prince is everyone's darling when his show comes to town. He may have slowed down in putting out albums, but he's definitely the "Hardest Working Man In Showbusiness" now since James Brown did it to death.

Well, in LA, he was everybody's darling because during his 21 nights stint he was selling his tickets for $10.00 to fill in the massive sections of empty seats. And the Welcome To... schtick is getting old. He did it in Europe, US, Canada and from the reports, the same shit in Australia. He's not even proud of his new shit to perform it live... yet another mind numbing version of Purple Rain...snooze. The cheesy twins wrapping Prince in a sheet and the irritating Shelby waving that "angel," flag. Bad, cheap, theatrics. Don't get me wrong I saw his LA stint four times when he did the 21 Nights in LA, I think for all four shows I did not pay more than $80. The best of the shows for me was when he did the tripe threat of Adore, Insatiable and Scandelous, but that's when people when out to get there beer.

I view Madge on a completely differenct level. Her tours are mostly big over the top spectacles with a heavy emphasis on her new stuff. It's refreshing, fun and just plain cool.

Not sure what you mean that the Welcome to America concerts are getting old but evidently its a success wherever it lands. I do wish he would do more new music but people are enjoying themselves nonetheless.

I like Madonna as an artist and appreciate her longevity. She's one of the last great icons from the 80's still doing it along with Prince. The thing is she's a different type of artists and I would never see her live as much as I have Prince. After one Madonna concert I'm done. Same like Janet. I saw her once and would never see her again. Prince on the other hand, I will keep seeing him live whenever he comes to my town.

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rdhull said:

TheResistor said:

What clubs are you going to? "Girl Gone Wild" is being played ad nauseum at both straight and gay clubs and it's being mixed by DJs at the music festivals I've been to this year. Prince? Well I think they still play "Kiss," at weddings.

I haven't clubbed in a year and a half and they dont play her much..or Prince for that matter.

Madonna continues to score #1 hits on the club airplay chart, single after single. I think she just hit 41 and 42 with the 2 lead singles from MDNA. She broke the record set by Donna Summer, and continues to extend it, 10 or 15 years ago.

Madonna has had a successful career, no doubt. The last few years have focused more on touring, image, and less on the quality of her music.

Prince too has had a successful career and has been touring in the last few years. In my own opinion, Prince has the better discography and is the better entertainer, overall. He's always putting in the work whether it's in the studio or on stage. He makes the effort look effortless.

fantasticjoy said:

There is no competition. Madonna may be great on marketing herself as well as a pretty good songwriter as far as trendy music, but Prince is the overall musical genius. -++

We immediately see that you're a huge fan.
She did not write at least 10 songs on their own. In co-wrote everyone can "write" song.... from Mariah Carrey to Britney Spears.
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Singing: Prince
Dancing: Madonna (yes, I do not think Madonna a great dancer of course, but I've never been impressed by Prince's dancing).
Songwriting: Prince (I can not be taken seriously as an author artist, If he|she is unable to write their own at least a dozen songs, it's just funny)
Entertaining: Prince (I love talented artists who are able to hold the viewer's attention without the huge screens and many people.....just raw talent).
The success and sales: Madonna (the numbers do not lie).

TheResistor said:

rdhull said:

You postin as if they are playing Madonna post 80's shit (save Music and ROL singles) in clubs.

What clubs are you going to? "Girl Gone Wild" is being played ad nauseum at both straight and gay clubs and it's being mixed by DJs at the music festivals I've been to this year. Prince? Well I think they still play "Kiss," at weddings.

I'm glad I don't go to the clubs you go to.
Thank God I have never heard any new Madonna music at the clubs I go to.
(I would stop going there)
Kinda silly to play radiomusic in clubs anyway, but if that's your thing...
It's just my opinion

Yes, long live Prince, OP.

I'm not surprised they don't play Prince or Madonna music in clubs, because club in the modern sense (in Holland anyway) is the latest dance music. A live Prince show though is obviously different as u r with the music creator.

I'm not familiar with Madonna's SB performance and I have seen Prince's but can't recall it. I was into both back in the 80s. Kept up with Madonna radomly until Ray of Light and thought Music, where she collaborated with Deep Dish was ok, though by that time I was more into Deep Dish. I met and chatted to Sharam at a dance fesitval in the Hague! Really nice and accessible guy (which is the difference in club music to pop) and it's supersize mega stars.

I have no desire to go back to Madonna because although a talented performer & great voice, she lacks the depth I seek in music. That she and MJ lipsynch(ed) doesn't bother me, (each to their own) but she's never come with a 'Stranger in Moscow' or 'Speechless' 'Reflection, Comeback, I will' etc etc. I really loved Bedtime stories but that movie she did was apalling!! I've never seen such commercial c*** in my life, put me off her big time.

But, she's managed to kept up with pop music and I've just watched her 29 million view 'give it 2 me..' First listen and view but what predictable beat and lyrics, no thanks. Madonna looks absolutely fabulous, albeit cosmetically and modernly customised, but still prancing around in her high heels, underwear and stockings...? No come on......At a certain age, I think the older generation should give the floor to the youth. It's up to LMFAO to do the new hits 'passion in my pants' for the teenboppers, feeling their first sexual stirs, just as Prince did our 'race-cars burn rubber in my pants' back then.

I would far rather listen to the 82 K view Morcheeba - The Sea or now soloist Skye, underground dance music or Janelle Monae for that matter. Far more authentic. I am glad for Madonna that she's doing well, the masses seem to like her but quantity is not quality. She aims at the youthful market, which is her choice if she wants. But for my soul food, I'd rather go to the butcher, greengrocer or baker than the hyper-market. Furthermore, I prefer finding my own music rather than being spoonfed by the media.

Prince is a highly gifted musician, writer and performer. I think that one day in the far future when the 'current trends are looking for new ones' his music will be re-discovered and appreciated. Yesterday I saw a mo-ped syncopated dance on an Amsterdam square to Strauss's The Emperor's Waltz. It was stunning and I hope that in 100 years time when we're all gone, Prince obscure musical moments of genius will be enjoyed, even when listeners never lived in the lifetime of the artist.

errant said:

rdhull said:

I haven't clubbed in a year and a half and they dont play her much..or Prince for that matter.

Madonna continues to score #1 hits on the club airplay chart, single after single.

That doesn't seem hard to do especially being part of the buisness juggernaut

TheResistor said:

joyinrepetition said:

Yeah and keep smoking the good stuff! Prince is everyone's darling when his show comes to town. He may have slowed down in putting out albums, but he's definitely the "Hardest Working Man In Showbusiness" now since James Brown did it to death.

Well, in LA, he was everybody's darling because during his 21 nights stint he was selling his tickets for $10.00 to fill in the massive sections of empty seats. And the Welcome To... schtick is getting old. He did it in Europe, US, Canada and from the reports, the same shit in Australia. He's not even proud of his new shit to perform it live... yet another mind numbing version of Purple Rain...snooze. The cheesy twins wrapping Prince in a sheet and the irritating Shelby waving that "angel," flag. Bad, cheap, theatrics. Don't get me wrong I saw his LA stint four times when he did the 21 Nights in LA, I think for all four shows I did not pay more than $80. The best of the shows for me was when he did the tripe threat of Adore, Insatiable and Scandelous, but that's when people when out to get there beer.

I view Madge on a completely differenct level. Her tours are mostly big over the top spectacles with a heavy emphasis on her new stuff. It's refreshing, fun and just plain cool.

Um Madge has a pretty shitty live reputation, especially these days. Just because there is a heavy emphasis on her new stuff, doesn't mean people enjoy it. And what part of a 50-something woman showing off her cleavage and creepy/disgusting biceps, lip-synching and doing cartwheels on stage is refreshing?

MarquessMarq said:

motherfunka said:

Madonna will go down in history as one of the most successful entertainers. Prince has already been forgotten by the masses. He hasn't been relative in over 15 years.

For the better. Genius is best lost and rediscovered. It doesn't deserve to be relevant to those who refuse to see it, let alone search for it.

He will be appreciated beyond belief, long after the wails and cries of today have subsided.

In my opinion.

AND I totally agree! ...That day will come, and its not like I am 'Hoping' for that day, it just will come. Prince's music is different from anyone else, it's not like he is really 'wanting' to be remembered. But considering his power and influence..he will.

rdhull said:

errant said:

Madonna continues to score #1 hits on the club airplay chart, single after single.

That doesn't seem hard to do especially being part of the buisness juggernaut

no, but you said she doesn't get played in clubs, which is clearly not correct.

errant said:

rdhull said:

That doesn't seem hard to do especially being part of the buisness juggernaut

no, but you said she doesn't get played in clubs, which is clearly not correct.

I should have said the clubs that I go to.

The gay clubs, euro clubs, pop audience clubs..well of course thats another audience which is going to place a chart position on a club chart lol. Even those Ive been to dont really play Madonna. That includes strip clubs in the past. They'd play Holiday or another real old one. I dont think too many folks who are top down driging to that one Superbowl song she released.

Funny how some of yall scoffed at club charts with other artists when it suits.