JoeTyler said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

No I wnon't lol, the show was dreadful the bass sounds like a bunch of trucks on the highway

yeah it is even worst than the vegas dvd

EyeJester7 said:

Which is why, I download the material AS SOON as it's UP!

Don't wait, just download it. LOL

I noticed a couple of shows from Australia were taken down, but some are still there. YouTube is not the only way to find his material, their are simply multiple ways to get his LIVE footage/material from concerts or otherwise...OTHER than Youtube. I stop depending on YouTube being my source a longgggg time ago. Haha

It's still unfortunate that he manages to be such a 'Control' freak about it. I was watching Larry Graham yesterday on YouTube and his bass is OUT OF THE WATER! Haha..Anyways, I was just thinking, since Prince is so close to LG, maybe LG could convince him to keep some of his material still online. Haha..Wishful thinking, but still..I grown on a new level of respect for LG through Youtube, sure it could have happen in any other way...BUT this way was very pin point. Youtube could be used for his advantage, but he rathers it his way...so I guess that's the way it will be?

What more can we seriously do about it? 2007, is over..and I don't see him releasing another song like P.F.U.N.K. for those those who complain and acknowledge it. It's just Prince and his mindset surrounding his material on Youtube..

BUT...

Check other places! THEY DO EXIST..IN GREAT DETAIL. Haha

Very interesting and Thanks for the 911, hee hee!

NiceNBreezy said:

langebleu said:

Examples of action taken in last week re Australian audience footage posted on Youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/wa...r_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/wa...agdwa9Id1g

I found and watched a few Australia vids before King et al got to them. Looked like everyone was having a whole lot of fun. His voice sounded great, btw.

Something me and NnB agreed on!

nursev said:

This behavior from Prince has been going on forever and its real tired. Those aussie fans that took time to upload those vids really admire and adore him as an artist and if Prince can't appreciate that its his loss. Sometimes its not about money-the man has more money than he'll ever use in his lifetime and its sad for him to continue this mess. I mean the more I think about it-it is really telling his fans that he doesn't give a shit what they think. Those vids actually bring him more fans/more money. Times like this really make me miss Michael Jackson cuz even though the media gave Mike hell he never disrespected his fans. He was always appreciative that his fans made his career. As far as I know Mike never sued a fan and never did shit like this. As far as downloading all these vids I'll pass-if Prince wants to fade into obscurity then so be it.

Astasheiks said:

nursev said:

This behavior from Prince has been going on forever and its real tired. Those aussie fans that took time to upload those vids really admire and adore him as an artist and if Prince can't appreciate that its his loss. Sometimes its not about money-the man has more money than he'll ever use in his lifetime and its sad for him to continue this mess. I mean the more I think about it-it is really telling his fans that he doesn't give a shit what they think. Those vids actually bring him more fans/more money. Times like this really make me miss Michael Jackson cuz even though the media gave Mike hell he never disrespected his fans. He was always appreciative that his fans made his career. As far as I know Mike never sued a fan and never did shit like this. As far as downloading all these vids I'll pass-if Prince wants to fade into obscurity then so be it.

Nurse you are so right; P's "I Hate U" could address and fit this situation very well!!!!

EyeJester7 said:

NeonCraxx said:

nursev said:

NeonCraxx said:

Aussies "took the time" to upload the videos? It's takes two seconds to upload a video. And I haven't seen a video being taken down so this thread is pointless.

Lock Lock LOCK!!!!!

Still 2 second of their time

NeonCraxx said:

Bohemian67 said:

PurpleRayven said:

what did fans do before the internet?

because someone can't afford to buy their favorite artist's music or go to concerts then they should be able to view/download their material for free. that doesn't seem fair, no one wants to work for free. i say enjoy it while it's there and don't bash the man once he gets around to having his work removed from these sites (sites that i also visit as well). we are not entitled

I believe they bootlegged the audio onto tapes. I don't think the unknown fans are going to be the ones who download all material. It will be the hardcore excess fan who needs a copy of everything ever made. As far as I can see, Prince is not working for free in fact I think his stack is growing. I agree, don't bash the man but reasoning and amicable negotiation is surely allowed? So stop 'screaming' fans...'talk.'

The situation is not black/white. I don't think fans should be making money off his work. That some do is a shame, but if they need to do that, they're still not wealthy from it. U-tube/google might make a bit but don't tell me they haven't serviced the world to free information,(educational included), helped unknown artists, kept the legacy alive of those passed on, I mean it's not all bad. It's a pity yes that some videos are bad quality but who is going to listen to those anyway?

Prince's experience has done a lot for music industry participants in knowing their rights. He has had his fingers burnt from Corporates and I believe this previous conditioning helps form his stance. He needs control and I see where that stems from. But he should never forget where he came from. Life in the ivory tower is a far cry from that on the street but it doesn't make all the people on the street 'bad.'

That being said, there is still material to be enjoyed & he is not the one who hooks the fish (video pull), it's the company. Maybe they just make really bad choices of what to confiscate!

It is not that serious, if he wants to spend his money on lawyers/publishing companies to have them remove his material off of sites that he feels does not add to/benefit him in anyway then that is his perogative. I don't understand and will probably never really understand a fan/consumers sense of entitlement to obtain/view/download his work and get pissed off/annoyed at the fact that he chooses to have his copyrighted material/live concert footage (especially while the tour is still going on) pulled off the internet. He shouldn't be bashed, so to speak, for wanting to control his Brand.

For those artist that want they material on youtube, yea for them and for those artist that feel the same way as Prince and don't want their material on the tube, then yea for them as well.

nursev said:

PurpleRayven said:

It is not that serious, if he wants to spend his money on lawyers/publishing companies to have them remove his material off of sites that he feels does not add to/benefit him in anyway then that is his perogative. I don't understand and will probably never really understand a fan/consumers sense of entitlement to obtain/view/download his work and get pissed off/annoyed at the fact that he chooses to have his copyrighted material/live concert footage (especially while the tour is still going on) pulled off the internet. He shouldn't be bashed, so to speak, for wanting to control his Brand.

For those artist that want they material on youtube, yea for them and for those artist that feel the same way as Prince and don't want their material on the tube, then yea for them as well.

The point is. Why is some good stuffed pulled and other good stuff not? And why is the bad stuff not pulled? The parts that take 2 seconds to upload? What are the criteria for having it pulled? Is there only allowed to be one version of a particular concert part/song? Comments on videos are always positive. There were online wars with MJ's stuff.

I think it's confusing for fans who take the time to upload and sorry, youtube does take a long time for long videos (depending on your pc speed of course) but it is time and effort. The ones uploading are not feeling entitled, they are wanting to share. The ones wanting to watch, sure some feel 'entitled' to own or whatever, but others and many I presume, just want to participate in the hype.

I think it's confusing for fans when some stuff is allowed & some isn't. Either, NPG internet police/ King et al. can't keep up,(because it's still there and in other places, THEREFORE a losing game) or there are criteria we don't know about about whether it's pulled or not. Is it allowed? Isn't it? What is allowed? What isn't?

Maybe if Prince was clear on this issue towards his fans they wouldn't feel so riled. Personally, I think, if he doesn't want any film then don't ask them to show their phones coz it's like letting a kid hold the candy but not allowing them to eat it.

Bohemian67 said:

Maybe if Prince was clear on this issue towards his fans they wouldn't feel so riled. Personally, I think, if he doesn't want any film then don't ask them to show their phones coz it's like letting a kid hold the candy but not allowing them to eat it.

That is a very good point.

luv4u said:

Bohemian67 said:

Maybe if Prince was clear on this issue towards his fans they wouldn't feel so riled. Personally, I think, if he doesn't want any film then don't ask them to show their phones coz it's like letting a kid hold the candy but not allowing them to eat it.

That is a very good point.

Yes it is.

Elle85n09 said:

luv4u said:

That is a very good point.

Yes it is.

AND YES IT IS!

If only Prince would heed to these notions!

Hm do I have to delete my video now? I'm going to wait and see. Look at their website, all serious and shit http://www.khpblaw.com/index.html

Jesus Christ, is this still a topic of conversation?

It's his music, his image, and he can do whatever the fuck he wants to do with it.

Would I like it if Prince allowed his stuff to be posted on Youtube? Yes, I would, but I also don't think his world is gonna come crumbling down around him because he doesn't.

I'd love for him to allow his music videos and TV performances on Youtube.

As for concert footage, absolutely not. Especially footage from current tours.

He gains nothing from allowing concert footage on Youtube.

Paris9748430 said:

He gains nothing from allowing concert footage on Youtube.

Really?

From what I see, he gets exposure of the tour that helps sell more tickets, he gets free viral marketing exposure thanks to people liking & sharing video's with others and he also gets a happy fanbase that doesn't feel like they're being persecuted for sharing their enthusiastic love for their favourite artist.

Let's look at what he gains from not allowing footage on youtube:

Bad publicity, the tabloids LOVE picking up on this sort of stuff.

no viral marketing promotion.

A pissed off fanbase who squabble, yell and bitch.

Loss on any new fans that took the time to see him for the first time, took a 2 minute video to remember and then got a C&D takedown from an overeager lawteam.

Instead of trying to control his image, he'd do well to create an image worth promoting.

erik319 said:

Paris9748430 said:

He gains nothing from allowing concert footage on Youtube.

Really?

From what I see, he gets exposure of the tour that helps sell more tickets, he gets free viral marketing exposure thanks to people liking & sharing video's with others and he also gets a happy fanbase that doesn't feel like they're being persecuted for sharing their enthusiastic love for their favourite artist.

Let's look at what he gains from not allowing footage on youtube:

Bad publicity, the tabloids LOVE picking up on this sort of stuff.

no viral marketing promotion.

A pissed off fanbase who squabble, yell and bitch.

Loss on any new fans that took the time to see him for the first time, took a 2 minute video to remember and then got a C&D takedown from an overeager lawteam.

Instead of trying to control his image, he'd do well to create an image worth promoting.

Like Prince needs any help promoting or selling concert tickets.

If people wanna see Prince live, they can, I don't know go see Prince Live!

Like watching some shitty cell-phone camera footage is indicitive at all to what Prince's live show is like!

If people don't know by now that Prince is one of the greatest Live Acts of all-time, and probably the best Live Experience Around, then they've been living under a rock!

Noone is contemplating going to a Prince show, then changes their mind because they can't find his videos on Youtube. Which, BTW you've got to be a complete moron if you can't find Prince videos on Youtube.

Since when does someone of Prince's stature need "viral marketing" to sell concert tickets? Prince isn't selling or not selling concert tickets because of his presence online or lack thereof.

As far as the Bad Publicity he gets from taking down stuff from Youtube, it's a story for a day or 2 and then everybody goes on about their business.

As far as his fanbase not bitching and complaining. There isn't an artist on the face of the planet who's fanbase is as whiny, neurotic, entitled, and complains as much as Prince's fanbase.

He could shit solid gold bars and people would be bitching that him grunting on the toilet in 2012 isn't as good as him grunting on the toilet in 1986!

Him thinning out the herd as far as his fanbase is concerned may be a good thing.

It's just a few less people acting like Prince owes them something because they're fans of his music.

[Edited 6/1/12 3:11am]

I find the whole thing crazy.

Prince could solve alot of the problems if he would just release something new in good quality, then we would not all be trolling the WWW looking for a shaky bit of footage to quench our thirst whilst we wait for a new gig to watch - our DVD players will have cobwebs on it between Prince releases.

I really dont think having concert videos on You Tube hurts the artist - look at Lady Gaga - her last tour and this tour are all over the place - and her fan base is growing as she is very involved and in-tune with the fans. She appreciates them and I have to admit I have watched her show and brought tickets to them too. It does not deter me from going, but rather makes me more enthusiastic that I am going.

But admit, seeing Prince is better than seeing anyone else live..........even if I am biased.

MISTERHANDS said:

Hm do I have to delete my video now? I'm going to wait and see. Look at their website, all serious and shit

http://www.khpblaw.com/index.html

^

King, Holmes, Paterno & Berliner, hmm these are lawyers, right?

I wonder if this is a big business with big $$$$$$ involved "over there" - in America..?

I wonder how much $$$$$$ this firm makes of this "business" hunting Prince videos on YouTube...

what a very strange world we live in,

Prince is paying lawyers to fight his rights, to make them hunt down his own fans' YT video uploads.....

that's soooo strange... IMHO...

thedance said:

MISTERHANDS said:

Hm do I have to delete my video now? I'm going to wait and see. Look at their website, all serious and shit

http://www.khpblaw.com/index.html

what a very strange world we live in,

Prince is paying lawyers to fight his rights, to make them hunt down his own fans' YT video uploads.....

that's soooo strange... IMHO...

And in six month's time, those very same lawyers will no doubt be suing Prince for lack of payment for their services... which will spurn another 'I need some quick cash' tour...

It's like a weird Prince-style circular flow of income model in action!