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Reply #30 posted 02/27/03 11:15pm

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SWANG said:

tricky99 said:

It seems to me there is certain group of prince fans who really seem to have a problem with him expressing A viewpoint on anything that has a moral dimension to it. They seem quite put off that their hero may not have the
same philosophy as they do. A certain "shut up and just entertain us" attitude is apparent with some of u. I've also seen this attitude expressed in a number of reviews of his recent work. A certain condescending attitude
that seems to imply that Prince is stepping outside of his place. People of color here in the US know what I mean by that. Voicing an opinion labeled u as an "uppity nigger" and could lead to all manner of abuse from the white
majority.

Certain of Prince's songs have to my mind been vilified out of all proportion to whether they are musically compelling or not. Songs I'm thinking about deal with politics, veganism, race, and religion. Some people hate to be challenged on their ideas and react very negatively when certain buttons are pushed.

Take for instance the song "Animal Kingdom". Many here seem to hate it with a passion for beyond most other similar sounding songs of his. I've heard many talk about how dreadful and stupid it is. I personally quite enjoy the
song both musically and lyrically. I am not a vegan and will tear a steak up in a minute. However I am able to appreciate Prince's point of view on using animals for food. The metaphors Prince uses in the song are no more strained than the average Prince lyric. I can only come to the conclusion that a lot of folks feel uncomfortable with the moral issue that Prince implies. No where in the song does he try to convert anyone, he simply states why he
doesn't eat animal products. There is nothing illogical about the statements he makes in the song. His points are valid even if I don't personally wish to change my eating habits.

Other cases of this over critical judgment include Avalanche, TRC, Ronnie talk to Russia, and America. It seems that if Prince's views don't match yours he is either "stupid" or "trying to push his beliefs down your throat". Well I'm glad that Prince is both entertaining and thoughtful. I look forward to more "button pushing" as he continues to mature.


So basically, that's a very long (and I'll add, very well thought-out) way of saying: Ignore the message unless you, yourself, happen to be passionate about it. Respect Prince's right to an opinion, and enjoy the music, provided, or course, you still like the music. If you fall into none of these categories, you're probably not reading this. On the other hand, on the org., you never know! lol

I agree with you, Tricky. As I said in another thread, Prince is a human being. Not a superman, just a man. He has his own sense of values, and I have mine. They have nothing to do with one another unless I choose to draw parallels, compare or contrast them. I don't choose to, therefore, I've found little that offends me, besides a bad track here or there. smile

In any case, I don't not fear Prince's recent "conversion". I did not fear his musical allusion to incest either, so apparently not much has changed in 23 years. Still, I do see that most people's attention spans are not what they used to be, and they have difficulty separating Prince, the entertainer, from Prince, the man. As a result, debates like this rage on. People, in general, are insecure about their own beliefs and opinions, and tend to become very defensive when those insecurities are highlighted by someone whose opinion differs from their own.

Bear in mind, in this case, I'm referring only to those who continue to assert that Prince has lost "it" directly because of some recent personal alterations to his system of beliefs. These people have probably never even met Prince, let alone know him well enough to make such an assertion. If he's "lost it", that is, lost whatever elements attracted you personally to his work before "he fell off", he sure as hell didn't lose it because he "changed gods", or "stopped eating eat", or "stopped swearing", or "adopted Larry Graham". If something, in your eyes, is missing from the musical equation, you should be able to identify it as something musical. If you can't, then the problem is yours, not Prince's. Just my opinion, though! smile

Yet many fans feel the need to claim ownership of him simply because they like "the old stuff". I like "the old stuff" too, as well as the new. And I'll quit when he stops entertaining me, and for no other reason than "I'm bored". Not because of his relationship with Larry Graham, Mayte, God...or anything/one else that has nothing to do with music. I will admit to feeling uneasy about his legal pursuits against fans who, he alledges, "steal his work." But even that won't stop me from enjoying that "work", because after all, that' why we're all here, isn't it?

-SWANGdidn'tmeantowritethismuch
[This message was edited Wed Feb 26 20:06:08 PST 2003 by SWANG]
[This message was edited Wed Feb 26 20:10:04 PST 2003 by SWANG]



Amen!
RIP Prince: thank U 4 a funky Time...
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Reply #31 posted 02/27/03 11:52pm

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[This message was edited Fri Feb 28 10:27:16 PST 2003 by ScarLett]
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Reply #32 posted 02/27/03 11:56pm

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Reply #33 posted 02/27/03 11:58pm

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XxAxX said:

somebody spank me


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RIP Prince: thank U 4 a funky Time...
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Reply #34 posted 02/28/03 12:20am

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teller said:

Prince used to be mysterious, and his message seemed to transcend all boundaries of ideology. He lost that. That's all.
Yeah. the Capitalist market system tends to that have effect on popular artists. I think it was Frank Zappa who pointed this out years ago. After you establish yourself, as contracts are renewed, you’re compelled, if not contractually obligated, to guarantee sales to the base that bought your previous albums as well as to as many new converts as possible. Sooner than later you’re putting out ultra radio-friendly albums like "Diamonds and Pearls" and "The Gold Experience" while efforts like "the Black Album" are discouraged. Back when Prince and WB put out "Dirty Mind" the board at WB didn’t have the dollar signs in their eyes that they had after he hit MTV with "Little Red Corvette" and the Purple Rain movie exploded. Prince managed to keep it real for longer than usual for a major artist after his Purple Rain peak – and that’s one of the main reason’s I’m a fan – but caved in after loosing so much money on the US leg of the LoveSexy tour that he had to bite the big cheesecake with the Batman soundtrack to recoup for his corporate mass’ah
Even without WB he’s still maintained his sellout mode because even though he’s not having to generate new profits for WB investors on his current releases he still has to cater to that Lowest Common Denominator, middle-of-the-road base first and foremost... at least that’s what the Major Label in His Head , and the bookkeeper at Paisley Park keeps telling him.

At least he has the Jehovah Zombies (who as a Brooklynite I know for a fact have a shit-load of money) as a new market to sell music to. Though I’m not sure if they’re even ALLOWED to buy CDs...

Damn typos! coffee
[This message was edited Thu Feb 27 16:51:28 PST 2003 by DrEverythingWillBeAlright]
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Reply #35 posted 02/28/03 12:35am

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[This message was edited Fri Feb 28 10:25:11 PST 2003 by ScarLett]
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Reply #36 posted 02/28/03 12:41am

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DrEverythingWillBeAlright said:

tricky99 said:

there's nothing Michael Jackson-esqe about his music
I didn't mean to reference Michael Jackson's 'Off the Wall' period, which is actually quite raw as well as his boyhood career. What I meant was MJ's trip since at least "Bad" - lyrically. The whole multi-millionaire, Hollywood, rich new-ager, out-of-touch with reality thing; lyrics which reflect the content of his recent interviews, "Oh I'm so repressed, I just wanna be free, fuck you if you don't understand me, Tommy Motola is a racist because he dropped my sorry ass...," etc.
No one seems to want to directly address the examples i gave.
The song "Animal Kingdom" ranks with the stupidest songs I've ever heard from anyone... So there wink


It's fine that u think it is stupid, but why do u think it is. What's your explanation? Enlighten us with your wisdom.
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Reply #37 posted 02/28/03 12:47am

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tricky99 said:


It's fine that u think it [Animal Kingdom] is stupid, but why do u think it is. What's your explanation? Enlighten us with your wisdom.
One of the many reasons is that its one of those songs where the lyrics say exactly what they mean... like a commercial jingle. And that's an understatement.
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Reply #38 posted 02/28/03 1:02am

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ScarLett said:

...where are u getting that bite the cheesecake theory from?
The music on the album, the way it was promoted (the videos, etc), the fact that its a soundtrack for a major designated blockbuster. It did quite well in terms of sales though the critics, rightfully, slammed it.
I am partial to "Scandolous" and "Feel U Up (long stroke)" - the b-side to the oversees version of "Party Man," however.
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Reply #39 posted 02/28/03 4:41am

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[This message was edited Fri Feb 28 10:27:50 PST 2003 by ScarLett]
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