stillwaiting said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Lies! His album not selling blockbuster sells is not his reason not to tour. Its a reason he should have toured .He did later regret going against his managers request to tour.

SOTT did sell. It just wasn't a multi million seller. Only mistake was the second single choice. "If was Ur Girlfriend". But the double album itself had three top ten singles. That is not a flop..Prince does have a quirky way of doing things & not listening 2 people. But that is what makes him who is a genius...

Whether his albums sold millions or not. Every album Prince put out up until 1993-94 had a top ten hit. That is not bad at all. For an artist that had already been in the business over 15 years at the time. Give him some credit boo boo.....

Give him some credit boo boo? This is coming from someone who praises Shelby, but agrees that Lovesexy is a weak album in this set? SOTT is one of my favorites, but it sold under a million. Those are the facts. Most musicians I know who are Prince fans love most of his albums, have a deep love for Lovesexy and SOTT, and also share my opinion that his live shows since 2006 have been a joke.

The fans who love Tony M, and love Shelby warming up the crowd are in either two groups:

1. The fans who love every single move Prince makes, including loving him more for shitting on them for Crystal Ball, Lotus Flow3r website, etc...

2. The fans who love the pop albums like D&P, but can't stand serious music like Lovesexy and Lotus Flow3r(the Lotus Flow3r disc, not MPLSound).

I deal in truth. I honestly love every single Prince album, but admit New Power Soul and D&P are not his best work. MPLSound is the only one I am not crazy about, but I still like most of it.

I like or love most of his tours from 1980-1990, but from 1991-2001, he seemed to lose focus. From 2002-2004 he had a great comeback. From 2005-now...he's back to being lazy again.

1987-88 was his peak in my opinion, but the Controversy Tour was pretty damn good too. Back then he either played the song like the record, or played it better than the record.

Take a song like Let's Go Crazy. That's one song he's screwed up with Saxophone parts, a complete loss of lyrics, and ridiculous Go Go Go Chants detracting from the original song. It hasn't been played like the 1984-85 tour other than a brief period on the weaker 1997-98 tours.

It seems too many Prince fans think his later albums suck, but he's still this incredible live performer. It's the other way around. The albums are still very good to great, but the live shows can be really lacking. It's like people are brainwashed to think that his new material stinks, but his concerts are great no matter what he does.

First of all never said Lovesexy was a weak album. SOTT was a DOUBLE album. So that means what? It was sold as a double album @ double the price. That is a success for over a million copies of a doulble album.

Prince changing the arrangements of a song like LGC gives it a fresh new sound. don't c anything wrong with that. He always has done that.

don't feel ur post is referring to me. still love his live shows. Each tour he has went on has been different with different musicians. This tour in particular he has chosen to spotlight others. To me that shows he is more humble. 'm sure there is a good reason why Prince has chosen to include more covers this time out. He always has a reason 4 doing things.

But to me Prince is one of the very few left of the superstar icons. So that is why appreciate everything he does. Mj fans wish they still had him here to still per4rm. We still have Prince so he should be appreciated more & not ridiculed all the time. What artist has continued to release new music 30 years on a continuous basis?

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

First of all never said Lovesexy was a weak album. SOTT was a DOUBLE album. So that means what? It was sold as a double album @ double the price. That is a success for over a million copies of a doulble album.

Prince changing the arrangements of a song like LGC gives it a fresh new sound. don't c anything wrong with that. He always has done that.

don't feel ur post is referring to me. still love his live shows. Each tour he has went on has been different with different musicians. This tour in particular he has chosen to spotlight others. To me that shows he is more humble. 'm sure there is a good reason why Prince has chosen to include more covers this time out. He always has a reason 4 doing things.

But to me Prince is one of the very few left of the superstar icons. So that is why appreciate everything he does. Mj fans wish they still had him here to still per4rm. We still have Prince so he should be appreciated more & not ridiculed all the time. What artist has continued to release new music 30 years on a continuous basis?

It didn't sell a million copies. It doesn't take brilliant research to figure this out. It's fine that you love everything Prince does. It's also fine that most of my Prince friends agree with me. Some of them don't, but most of the ones who do not agree with me are much better at getting into a discussion about Prince's hair, how pretty he looks, and gossip about Mayte, Manuella, or Misty Copeland.

As much as I don't like Bruce Springsteen, he's in his 60's, and still plays complete songs. Prince is the only superstar Icon playing medleys and by far the only Icon who goes haywire with the cover songs.

If Prince put out albums with only one verse and a chorus, he'd be laughed at. Somehow he seems to be getting away with it live.

Again, if you love this Prince experience, I'm a little jealous. I wish it was 2004, 2002, 1987, whatever. I can't make Prince do what he does. I know there is nobody around him getting a check who would dare question him. The great ones usually have somebody around them to keep them in check. Prince won't listen to anyone.

it did sell a million copies worldwide. Remember, SOTT was more successful in Europe than in the US.

There is no use in getting through to that person. give up....

I have severe doubts about the fan theory that Prince "halted" this boxset, if only because remember he objected to the Very Best of Prince compilation, which WB released anyway. Why would WB listen now?

Unless of course, they're plotting something together and this was canned in the states as a favorable token to him. (Ultimate Prince was postponed so to give some breathing space for 3121's release at the behest of that record's label.)

and for the record, I liked Lovesexy. Sure it's easy to slap around because it came after SOTT, and was released instead of the superior Black Album, but that's the brakes. Lovesexy is a solid record, interesting if muddled because I'm not sure Prince himself knew what he was thinking regarding Sex and God. (If philosophers have grappled with that forever, who expects a wacky musician to give the dramatic treatise?)

stillwaiting said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

First of all never said Lovesexy was a weak album. SOTT was a DOUBLE album. So that means what? It was sold as a double album @ double the price. That is a success for over a million copies of a doulble album.

Prince changing the arrangements of a song like LGC gives it a fresh new sound. don't c anything wrong with that. He always has done that.

don't feel ur post is referring to me. still love his live shows. Each tour he has went on has been different with different musicians. This tour in particular he has chosen to spotlight others. To me that shows he is more humble. 'm sure there is a good reason why Prince has chosen to include more covers this time out. He always has a reason 4 doing things.

But to me Prince is one of the very few left of the superstar icons. So that is why appreciate everything he does. Mj fans wish they still had him here to still per4rm. We still have Prince so he should be appreciated more & not ridiculed all the time. What artist has continued to release new music 30 years on a continuous basis?

It didn't sell a million copies. It doesn't take brilliant research to figure this out. It's fine that you love everything Prince does. It's also fine that most of my Prince friends agree with me. Some of them don't, but most of the ones who do not agree with me are much better at getting into a discussion about Prince's hair, how pretty he looks, and gossip about Mayte, Manuella, or Misty Copeland.

As much as I don't like Bruce Springsteen, he's in his 60's, and still plays complete songs. Prince is the only superstar Icon playing medleys and by far the only Icon who goes haywire with the cover songs.

If Prince put out albums with only one verse and a chorus, he'd be laughed at. Somehow he seems to be getting away with it live.

Again, if you love this Prince experience, I'm a little jealous. I wish it was 2004, 2002, 1987, whatever. I can't make Prince do what he does. I know there is nobody around him getting a check who would dare question him. The great ones usually have somebody around them to keep them in check. Prince won't listen to anyone.

SOTT didn't sell a million copies in the US. As stillwaiting as said before in other threads, the record sales for double albums are treated like their 2 separate albums to give its million selling/Platinum status. So any double album has only sold half of what the certification claims.

It might be close to selling a million in the US today, if anyone knows?

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That is what said in an earlier post...U haven't said anything didn't already say.

My quote:

"SOTT was a DOUBLE album. So that means what? It was sold as a double album @ double the price. That is a success for over a million copies of a doulble album."

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

That is what said in an earlier post...U haven't said anything didn't already say.

My quote:

"SOTT was a DOUBLE album. So that means what? It was sold as a double album @ double the price. That is a success for over a million copies of a doulble album."

Not sure if this is addressed to me, but if it is please re-read my posts.

Not 4 U.......

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Not 4 U.......

Okay. Sorry for the confusion.

stillwaiting said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Wb can't do anything with those anymore. Prince owns those now...

Prince doesn't own anything. Transfer of ownership copyright law is 35 years. Just do the math. Ok, I'll help you. 1978 plus 35 = 2013. This applies to Masters ownership for most recording artists, but it is dependent on what was in the orginal contract. Certain Language in the contract could actually prolong ownership to Warners for the masters.

The thing that makes me laugh, is that these masters that Prince and Warners have been bickering over have lost much of their value. Prince's career has been up and down. 2004 would've been the logical year to do something about them when he was at least a little hot, and people were still buying cds.

Prince likely owns For You in 2013, but won't own a high selling album(1999) until 2017. Cd sales are low in 2012, and will be much lower in 2017. Even download sales are not all that impressive.

Save for Prince slapping tons of outtakes on them, there is hardly a market for remasters.

In 2017, a Prince fan born in 1970 will be approaching 50. Older people typically buy less music. We also live in a world where radio and media have nearly ignored older artists going younger and younger. Try hearing a Prince song on oldies radio that isn't Raspberry beret, LRC, LGC, PR, and WDC. It's hard to find. On R&B radio you might get Do Me Baby or I Wanna Be Your Lover. Sadly, R&B oldies radio plays weak ass New Edition related songs MUCH MORE than Prince.

You brought up some valid points.Most of the diehard fans are getting older.I wish Prince could understand this.Pretty soon,we're not gonna be interested in remasters...we'll be too busy thinking about things like retirement If he's gonna do anything special with these recordings,he'd better not wait too long.Release it now while we can still get up and dance,lol.

In many ways,I feel that this ship has already sailed.His catalog should have been remastered 15 years ago.He would have made alot more money on 'em back then,when people still bought CDs.

stillwaiting said:

SOTT is his masterpiece, but just try finding somebody at your job that owns it. You'll find a few that own 1999 or Purple Rain, but SOTT did not sell well. Had Prince not released anything after Purple Rain, and saved Kiss as the lead single with U Got The Look as the follow up, it might have moved 3 million or even more. The main reason Prince did not want to tour the US, was that he was pissed that it did not sell. For Lovesexy, he just changed his mind, and toured anyway, and the tour was not a success in the USA, it just broke even, after production costs.

I think that,if he had toured in the US with that album,the sales would have increased.Not bringing his SOTT tour to the States was a huge career mistake.

stillwaiting said:

Transfer of ownership copyright law is 35 years.

Most acts don't own their masters no matter how long it's been. Other than maybe Stevie Wonder (post 1971), few, if any, other acts on Motown owns their masters. Motown and other labels can do anything they want with the recordings, which is how they release endless compilations. Marlon Jackson said the brothers don't make anything from their Motown material.

Well Motown has been cheating their artist for decades. No one leaves there with any money. Prince will have ALL of his masters back one by one.

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Well Motown has been cheating their artist for decades. No one leaves there with any money. Prince will have ALL of his masters back one by one.

There's acts on Warner Brothers before Prince that don't own their tapes, what makes him any different? It's doubtful they're just going to hand them over, WB has more money than Prince, so can hire better lawyers.

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Only because they signed them away for more money.

This page is fucking with my eyes as I scroll down, I've never seen so much bolded text and use of the symbol, jesus fucking christ on a bike.

and after reading this page I had to reread the thread title to remind myself wtf it was originally about - then decided I no longer care and have lost the will

Its pretty sad really, that Prince's best moments have been reduced to this budget reissue. I mean this type of nonsense they save for lesser groups (I won't mention any names as some people may get offended), but basically groups who were big 20 - 30 years ago or have not had any huge hits in the past decade. Why Madonna is included I don't know, she is still very hot at the moment.

4 of those 5 albums are stone cold classics and even the 5th one (Diamonds and Pearls) is still one of his 'good' albums (Especially for cream alone).

If they had to do this, they should have at least put 5 lesser albums on. They could have chosen from For You, Batman, ATWIAD, Come, Chaos and Disorder, Graffiti Bridge and NPS. I know there may copyright issues overBatman, Newpowersoul and For You which now belongs to Prince again. I think that idea would have flown as at least most casual and kind of hardcore fans would not buy all these albums at full price or even mid price, but would gladly buy them all as a budget boxset, as even all these albums have some amazing stuff on them and ATWIAD at least has a real following.

I mean to buy 5 of his best albums with the budget packaging and CD's look like they are original graphics (Ie super basic in the 80s) and the D and P album with out that holographic cover. Like some elese said the richness of the experience has been robbed. Still I don't think Warners anticipated huge sales of this line anyway. At my store only the Madonna and Pretenders sets has sold any real numbers (About 20 sets each since March 18)

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

That is what said in an earlier post...U haven't said anything didn't already say.

My quote:

"SOTT was a DOUBLE album. So that means what? It was sold as a double album @ double the price. That is a success for over a million copies of a doulble album."

so i looked it up.sott(like 1999)was (as we know) listed as a double lp HOWEVER for an lp to count as a double lp (as in counting for 2 units instead of 1) it has to be over 80 min.sott is just short of 80 min.thats why sott(and 1999) are counted as 1 unit ,therefore it did sell a million units in the usa.otherwise it would be considered a double platinum effort(and 1999 a 8xplatinum effort)as far as usa sales go

never said it didn't sell a million copies...

I bought this for 16 bucks from JB, I get why people don't like the boxset, the cheap packaging, no remasters, the whole warner bros debarkle, but that aside I don't think this boxset is trying to deminish his status in any way, other artists included in this series are Madonna, Otis Redding, Ray Charles, Aretha Franklin etc... well regarded artists. They all range from $20 and are a steal for 5 albums, I would suggest these boxsets for today's generation as some of the albums included in this series are harder to come across these days, more so the older artists. In a way I think these budget releases are being introduced to younger generations who aren't familiar with older music and therefore re-introducing some amazing albums. Hey, if your a music lover then theres no need to buy these boxsets cause the fact is you would of heard these albums before. they are intended to be cheap, affordable and packed with great music to encourage the general public to get there hands on some real music. thats how i would put it. this release is not intended to be for the fans since theres nothing new, but for the general public, i highly recommend this for the muscial content, and hopefully it could garner some new prince fans along the way...

UnpronounceableSymbol said:

I bought this for 16 bucks from JB, I get why people don't like the boxset, the cheap packaging, no remasters, the whole warner bros debarkle, but that aside I don't think this boxset is trying to deminish his status in any way, other artists included in this series are Madonna, Otis Redding, Ray Charles, Aretha Franklin etc... well regarded artists. They all range from $20 and are a steal for 5 albums, I would suggest these boxsets for today's generation as some of the albums included in this series are harder to come across these days, more so the older artists. In a way I think these budget releases are being introduced to younger generations who aren't familiar with older music and therefore re-introducing some amazing albums. Hey, if your a music lover then theres no need to buy these boxsets cause the fact is you would of heard these albums before. they are intended to be cheap, affordable and packed with great music to encourage the general public to get there hands on some real music. thats how i would put it. this release is not intended to be for the fans since theres nothing new, but for the general public, i highly recommend this for the muscial content, and hopefully it could garner some new prince fans along the way...

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NouveauDance said:

This page is fucking with m s as scroll down, 've never seen so much bolded text and use of the symbol, jesus fucking chrst on a bke.

Fixed it for you

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