L4OATheOriginal said:

no need 2 repeat some key points already mentioned so i'll stick with this:

1. playing vegas in 1997, prince had up 2 that point stayed away from vegas and ever since then it's been a vegas style type of shows from him

2. having a 36 track filled album and then going out on tour and hardly playing any of those songs live thus beginning the trend we are in were it's a new album and only a few tracks being promoted

3. PROMOTION PROMOTION PROMOTION i can't stress this one enough. even before the name change, it seems prince has had this conception that it's all up 2 the record company 2 do the only marketing of a product. WRONG! the artist has 2 do their share as well.

4. having ballads being the lead single of a new album

5. not being a very sound business man when it came 2 running a record company

6. allowing his albums 2 go out of print for a new generation of fans

7. not developing more band oriented protogees

I think the last time he tried that, was during the GB era, Robin Powers had a band, they were rehearsing and getting ready, Sheila E dropped in on them after her surgery -gave attitude, Prince had them dressed similar to some Cat outfits.

OldFriends4Sale said:

L4OATheOriginal said:

7. not developing more band oriented protogees

I think the last time he tried that, was during the GB era, Robin Powers had a band, they were rehearsing and getting ready, Sheila E dropped in on them after her surgery -gave attitude, Prince had them dressed similar to some Cat outfits.

I agree with this.After the Family and Mazarati,it seems that Prince gave up on "bands".He was more interested in signing solo acts like T.C. Ellis. and Carmen Elektra This was disappointing.

SoulAlive said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I think the last time he tried that, was during the GB era, Robin Powers had a band, they were rehearsing and getting ready, Sheila E dropped in on them after her surgery -gave attitude, Prince had them dressed similar to some Cat outfits.

I agree with this.After the Family and Mazarati,it seems that Prince gave up on "bands".He was more interested in signing solo acts like T.C. Ellis. and Carmen Elektra This was disappointing.

If Prince would have from the beginning of his proteges, put out their albums and took about 4-6 months helping promo them, showing up at their performances, doing small impromptu shows and having the protege group open for him and then after the 4-6 month release his own album and continue the Prince & protege chemisty the success rate would have been even bigger and he probably would have continued trying it into the 1990's (I think the change in his band and the whole 1980's crew had an effect on the lack of proteges later though)

OldFriends4Sale said:

L4OATheOriginal said:

no need 2 repeat some key points already mentioned so i'll stick with this:

1. playing vegas in 1997, prince had up 2 that point stayed away from vegas and ever since then it's been a vegas style type of shows from him

2. having a 36 track filled album and then going out on tour and hardly playing any of those songs live thus beginning the trend we are in were it's a new album and only a few tracks being promoted

3. PROMOTION PROMOTION PROMOTION i can't stress this one enough. even before the name change, it seems prince has had this conception that it's all up 2 the record company 2 do the only marketing of a product. WRONG! the artist has 2 do their share as well.

4. having ballads being the lead single of a new album

5. not being a very sound business man when it came 2 running a record company

6. allowing his albums 2 go out of print for a new generation of fans

7. not developing more band oriented protogees

I think the last time he tried that, was during the GB era, Robin Powers had a band, they were rehearsing and getting ready, Sheila E dropped in on them after her surgery -gave attitude, Prince had them dressed similar to some Cat outfits.

i think ur thinking of MC Flash instead of robin powers

the Dames outfits were inspired by Cat's Lovesexy pieces

Robin Power: Diary of an Uptown Dame and REHEARSAL TAPES

The following is a resumption of a thread that had to be pulled. I was permitted to repost highlights of my stories (summarized below). Please feel free to ask me questions as if in an interview format.

Background: Robin Power is a lost Prince protege who appeared as Morris Day's girlfriend in the "Graffiti Bridge" movie. Someone inquired about the "Uptown Dames," her band.

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Robin Power did have a band called "Robin Power and the Uptown Dames". I was the musical director. We were supposed to tour as the opening act for Prince after the Graffiti Bridge movie but the movie - well - didn't do well. The band was not in the movie since we were assembled after it was shot.

After the movie was released, we were gathered together at Paisley Park to put together a show for the Glam Slam. There were two keyboard players, one drummer, one bass player, one guitar player, two dancers, one singer, and Robin. We were all women Robin had found from various parts of the country. We played a great show at the Glam in my opinion, but Prince had become interested in Carmen Electra and our album never materialized.

Other than "Number One," Prince wrote a bunch of other songs for Robin. We listened to the tape, but I never did get a copy. I do have a rehearsal tape, which includes another song Prince wrote for Robin called "The Teacher." He wrote the lyrics, but for some odd reason, he asked us to write our own music to it. He gave us fifteen minutes to write it while we were rehearsing at Paisley Park in the sound studio. When he came back, he applauded the music - we were so flabbergasted and flattered, although we knew we had all written a great piece of music.

We also performed another song with his lyrics called "Undercover Lover." Again, we were told to write our own music to it. The rest of the set comprised of songs written by other artists, including two by me and my associates outside of Paisley Park.

I am trying to figure out how to attach a photo of Robin at one of our rehearsals. If that doesn't work, sorry, I'll keep trying. I have more photos of the band if you are interested.

Thanks for the interest - I love reliving those days once in a great while.



Robin at rehearsal


Joanie on bass


Tracy on guitar, Lisa B on keyboards


Joanie, Liza (me) on keyboards, Dione the dancer and Alisa the singer further back


Top row left to right: Robin and Alisa
Second row left to right: Joanie, Kimberly (dancer), Tracy, Dione (dancer), Kim (drummer)
Front row: Liza (me) and Lisa - both keyboard players

BobGeorge909 said:

I wanna say make Chang and a host of other things.... But really.... ...writing "Slave" on his face. Trivialized the experience of millions who by no means had access to mansions and recording studios, let alone high-heels, mascara, and perms. You're arguing over the millions to be earned in a contract and wanna walk shoulder to shoulder with Toby?

gotta agree with you there, better ways to make his argument than that shit. But I've always said, I don't go to Prince for great intellectual thought no more than I go to good intellectuals for good music. He's no intellectual giant and I think that's where the sycophants hurt him or anyone like him, any screwball idea that pops into their heads all the sudden seems great.

OldFriends4Sale said:

the Dames outfits were inspired by Cat's Lovesexy pieces

Robin Power: Diary of an Uptown Dame and REHEARSAL TAPES

The following is a resumption of a thread that had to be pulled. I was permitted to repost highlights of my stories (summarized below). Please feel free to ask me questions as if in an interview format.

Background: Robin Power is a lost Prince protege who appeared as Morris Day's girlfriend in the "Graffiti Bridge" movie. Someone inquired about the "Uptown Dames," her band.

-----

Robin Power did have a band called "Robin Power and the Uptown Dames". I was the musical director. We were supposed to tour as the opening act for Prince after the Graffiti Bridge movie but the movie - well - didn't do well. The band was not in the movie since we were assembled after it was shot.

After the movie was released, we were gathered together at Paisley Park to put together a show for the Glam Slam. There were two keyboard players, one drummer, one bass player, one guitar player, two dancers, one singer, and Robin. We were all women Robin had found from various parts of the country. We played a great show at the Glam in my opinion, but Prince had become interested in Carmen Electra and our album never materialized.

Other than "Number One," Prince wrote a bunch of other songs for Robin. We listened to the tape, but I never did get a copy. I do have a rehearsal tape, which includes another song Prince wrote for Robin called "The Teacher." He wrote the lyrics, but for some odd reason, he asked us to write our own music to it. He gave us fifteen minutes to write it while we were rehearsing at Paisley Park in the sound studio. When he came back, he applauded the music - we were so flabbergasted and flattered, although we knew we had all written a great piece of music.

We also performed another song with his lyrics called "Undercover Lover." Again, we were told to write our own music to it. The rest of the set comprised of songs written by other artists, including two by me and my associates outside of Paisley Park.

I am trying to figure out how to attach a photo of Robin at one of our rehearsals. If that doesn't work, sorry, I'll keep trying. I have more photos of the band if you are interested.

Thanks for the interest - I love reliving those days once in a great while.



Robin at rehearsal


Joanie on bass

cool, but I do believe the whole Time debacle scared him to the point that he didn't want any real competition and didn't want any more male proteges (can't blame him for not wanting to hang with men). The women he did choose were usually pretty talentless. Some here say Jill Jones' work was great but I've never listened to it, the rest were unremarkable.

OldFriends4Sale said:

That is CAT, and not Robin Power.

ludwig said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

That is CAT, and not Robin Power.

duhhhhh lol

I said in a previous post that this protege group the Uptown Dames clothing was fashioned similar to some of Cats pieces from Lovesexy

Pretty Much the 90's for me. I just couldn't roll with him during that time, nothing seemed or felt right during that time frame

I was cool with Diamonds and Pearls but I couldn't hang until Emancipation (for about a min).

PurpleRayven said:

Pretty Much the 90's for me. I just couldn't roll with him during that time, nothing seemed or felt right during that time frame

SoulAlive said:

Jagar said:

At the Arsenio Hall show during Daddy Pop one of the Gameboyz literally humped Princes ass. I don't care if it's Jimi Hendrix doing the humping, that is still embarresing, and I hope none of my friends ever find that video. The fact Tony M was doing the humping made it worse. They also do a Human Centipede thing, which looked cool at the time but disturbing after that psychotic horror film

In fact, the whole theme with the Gameboyz was kind of homoerotic, them dancing circles around P in Kiss, the orgy at the start of Gett Off.

ok...that looks a little suspect here but live it was ok. lol!!!! I just liked the whole Diamonds and Pearls......it just seemed like Prince lost touch with his people...... it also seemed like the real him...we saw him in his BMW, with girls at Paisley Park and Glam Slam.........now the outfit by the pool was hard to witness (he always has to do something). lol!!!

PurpleRayven said:

Pretty Much the 90's for me. I just couldn't roll with him during that time, nothing seemed or felt right during that time frame

Yes, the '90s were very all-over-the-place and crazy, many cringeworthy and EMBARRASSING moments - and yet, I think though he surely lost some fans he also gained some fans during that time. Me for instance! I don't think it's much different from the people who got into him around the Dirty Mind era in that get-up and ridiculousness, or when they saw him on American Bandstand being all bizarre but with swagger, and were instantly fascinated. My brother was in college and working concessions for the venue where Prince did Gett Off with those butt-out pants, I was there but I didn't see it live it was on a screen in the back, and I remember my bro was like, "huh?, yuck, whatever" but I was thinking "OMG, this guy is beyond crazy, wtf... I LOVE it!" I think the key to surviving all these career lows/craziness and not losing every single fan is still having solid music or musicianship as the base. There are lots of acts that are shocking, sexual, disgusting, embarrassing ... but their music ain't so great, then I'm not the least bit interested.

I really don't know what you guys are talking about, he built a career on all the things you guys are complaining about (except for the involvment in hip hop). The ass out, gay act, religious/profane stuff was his personal brand. I guess none of that stuff really bothered me too much, and I interpreted the question as Prince's own personal lowpoint, not what we think his missteps were. No matter what he put out his yearly album for the most part and never dissapeared music wise like all other artists do. I thought the Symbol album was strong, Emancipation was good, Gold experiences was good, he didn't put out horrible albums in my view, never, the hip hop stuff was beneath him but he and ever other artist of his era had to make some sort of acknowledgement to it, he could have done better with it, and the rapping ruined some otherwise great songs but so what. Best thing he could have done was starve the public for his music for a few years and dissapear then maybe it would have been a big deal when he showed up again. People take you for granted when you are that great.

petes2 said:

I really don't know what you guys are talking about, he built a career on all the things you guys are complaining about (except for the involvment in hip hop). The ass out, gay act, religious/profane stuff was his personal brand. I guess none of that stuff really bothered me too much, and I interpreted the question as Prince's own personal lowpoint, not what we think his missteps were. No matter what he put out his yearly album for the most part and never dissapeared music wise like all other artists do. I thought the Symbol album was strong, Emancipation was good, Gold experiences was good, he didn't put out horrible albums in my view, never, the hip hop stuff was beneath him but he and ever other artist of his era had to make some sort of acknowledgement to it, he could have done better with it, and the rapping ruined some otherwise great songs but so what. Best thing he could have done was starve the public for his music for a few years and dissapear then maybe it would have been a big deal when he showed up again. People take you for granted when you are that great.

You are much more direct and succint than my two posts in this thread, but you'll see I basically agree with you.

uuhson said:

TrevorAyer said:

aahhh but what if sott had been a single record .. wb was always complainin about the overabundance of material, maybe they were right

sign

play in the sunshine

housequake

dorothy parker

the cross

u got the look

if eye was your girlfriend

strange relationship

i could never take the place of your man

adore

maybe without the filler tunes this record would have gotten more of a reception and cemented prince legacy

was it not highly received by people that listened to it?

the way I remember it, it didn't get that much attention when it was released but by the end of that year it had won all the critics over, rated the years best by many. Kurt Loder still has the most astute review of all, which questioned the reason for Prince's radical move from the commercial marketplace, presuming that he didn't want mass acceptance. I found out that Prince himself confirmed as much many years later in an interview. I"ve said it a million times, Prince has brass balls, he did things intentionally to alienate millions, risking his whole career at many points. That same passion makes him a great artist.

Even though I was too young to experience Prince live time during his prime years, and based on what I experience as a Prince fan since the early 90s and what I read on the org and from historical facts here what I feel were some of his not so good career moves:

Release ATWIAD too soon. Prince had fought for years to become crossover musician. He finally did around 1982 with 1999 album, and he was getting more shine by Purple Rain, then shortly after 1985 with the bad press and released of ATWIAD, things went downhill. I personally think SOTT should have been a better follow up to Purple Rain, it blends better without being just another Purple Rain part 2 album. I think he sort of realize that once he received not so favorable public response to Parade/ATWIAD. I feel ATWIAD and Parade should have release once his career cool down a bit. I know he was trying to experiment with music around that time period because he want to be more respectable as a musician but again since he was trying to get crossover appeal, it doesn’t make any sense for him to fix things when it wasn’t that broken especially around late 1984 and on.

In relate to my previous paragraph, he changed his sound too soon around 1985. He should ride that shyt out until the wheels fall off. Even MJ ride his Thriller success until the wheels fall off and he came back with Bad years later. But oh well with Prince abruptly change his sound, this helped who took advantage of it from Ready for the World to Jermaine Stewart, New Edition, Duran Duran, and others.

Relied solely on his aging fanbase to depend on for his current relevance instead of doing like other oldie acts to reach out to the younger fans or stay relevance without compromise who he is. In the 90s, he attempted to reach out to younger fans, with the corny rap and some bits of New Jack Swing into his music, and then he stopped. He should continue to find ways to reach out to younger audience just to keep his name out there. the only reason why a younger person now might know Prince because of their older love ones, since the media today consider him to be an oldies act and outside oldies radio, I don’t see Prince as much in the mainstream these days. And the Youtube thing that he has issues with, made things worst, that would been a goldmine to reach younger audiences.

Now I dont care about Prince being JW, that is his personal decision and he has to deal with that since there is more than one spiritual path to the mountain top thats my belief.

Some people feel got rid of Wendy and Lisa was a bad move. I personally feel Wendy and Lisa knew their days with Prince were numbered. I also got the impression even if they had stayed beyond 1986, I have a feeling they was going to bounce eventually to do their own thing. They likely stay around because of financial reasons despite historical accounts they were already fed up with the changes they seen in the band with adding more members and the Susannah make things complicated. So in other words, they were waiting for the right time to leave (despite the historical account they did almost walk until Bobby helped convince them to stick around), but they didn’t expected to be blindside by Prince with that October ’86 surprise. But overall, Wendy and Lisa may never became pop stars but they did became successful Emmy winning music composers. (I read their recent interview when they went to San Diego for that annual comic con event or something, even if they had become popstars, it would’ve been more challenging to maintain long term career success but musical scoring is more steady and they are happy they are going to be set for life doing the scoring biz).

Ignore Jill Jones during the Purple Rain period or not even use her voice or talent during the Purple Rain period like he had with 1999 but yet focus on female acts based on their looks (uhm Appollonia). Jill is very talent, she has the looks and marketability, yet he ignores her and when she was focus, he did little to promote her to the fullest and left her hanging with got her stuck on nearly a decade strict contract. Jill could have been big star of Paisley park, but sadly, she was never a priority to him.

Continues to contradict himself about not having Revolution reunion because he talks about leaving things in the past yet he continues to play his old hits basically from 1978 to 1984 years and plus even his recent snips from Dr Funkenberry were Dance Electric and if he is not still reliving the past a bit I dont what! With Bobby had that heart attack and majority of his former bandmates are 50 and some are pushing 60, Prince should have this reunion while all his bandmembers are still alive and healthy as far as we know.

Made Graffiti Bridge movie (the album was decent)

[Edited 4/29/12 0:18am]

Prince was really insightful beyond his 26 years at the time of the release of ATWIAD. His given reason in the Rolling Stone was that he was glad to record and release it and not to wait to see the fallout from Purple Rain, explaining it would have been too easy to come out with Purple Rain 2 just to make cash. I have to respect that logic a great deal and wouldn't have it any other way. He also did it to take the pressure off for that kind of thing. He knew and knows circumstances would never be the same to recreate Purple Rain's success and really didn't enjoy it much when he had it. I love how he did as he pleased. You know, Michael Jackson took 5 years figuring out how to follow up Thriller and was paralyzed by the pressure, with Prince we had a totally different artist who took the initiative to alienate the fake pop fans and challenge the true ones. Even our own resident post-PR music hater Vainandy gave Prince the respect of listening to his later albums whether he hated them or not, that's a fan he would be proud to have I think.

petes2 said:

Prince was really insightful beyond his 26 years at the time of the release of ATWIAD. His given reason in the Rolling Stone was that he was glad to record and release it and not to wait to see the fallout from Purple Rain, explaining it would have been too easy to come out with Purple Rain 2 just to make cash. I have to respect that logic a great deal and wouldn't have it any other way. He also did it to take the pressure off for that kind of thing. He knew and knows circumstances would never be the same to recreate Purple Rain's success and really didn't enjoy it much when he had it. I love how he did as he pleased. You know, Michael Jackson took 5 years figuring out how to follow up Thriller and was paralyzed by the pressure, with Prince we had a totally different artist who took the initiative to alienate the fake pop fans and challenge the true ones. Even our own resident post-PR music hater Vainandy gave Prince the respect of listening to his later albums whether he hated them or not, that's a fan he would be proud to have I think.

I am awared Prince was doing a lot of expermental during that time period.

But Prince do contradicts himself alot. He didn't stick by his ATWIAD/Parade experimental sound and he ended up going back to his roots by SOTT to get the 1978-84 crowd back. I never said he shouldn't made ATWIAD and Parade, I feel he shouldve release those albums once his career cools off and SOTT would have been a perfect followup to Purple Rain, it wasn't PR2 sound either (GB was his more PR2 attempted). I feel it would have wise to let the wheels fall off, he got nothing to lose thats why. Most people would max their 15 minutes of mainstream fame but Prince was like fck it I got the world noticed me now and I am going to change my sound so they would take me seriously as a musician lol. Because to this day even though all the risky career moves stunts he pulled in order for him to believe he would be taken serious as a versatile musician, the general public still connected him to Purple Rain/1999 era, was the risk worth it? It remains questionable.

But hey, even with all the career risks he did, he is still around, making tunes, and still selling out in certain places but I notice too when he play his old hits, 7/10 he tends to play songs from 1978-84 era whether off his albums or off the Time/ Vanity 6. He said in his interview its money purpose and thats what the fans wanted but I feel he also tend to be more fond of that time period. Shoot I caught a bit of his recent concerts on the internet over the last year or so, he would play joints off the Time albums and The Family over ATWIAD and Parade other than Kiss and prolly Raspberry Beret and Pop Life.

I do appreciated ATWIAD and even Parade over the years, but man, when I first listened to those two joints, I was like gone into a blank stare and was with WTF?

ladygirl99 said:

petes2 said:

Prince was really insightful beyond his 26 years at the time of the release of ATWIAD. His given reason in the Rolling Stone was that he was glad to record and release it and not to wait to see the fallout from Purple Rain, explaining it would have been too easy to come out with Purple Rain 2 just to make cash. I have to respect that logic a great deal and wouldn't have it any other way. He also did it to take the pressure off for that kind of thing. He knew and knows circumstances would never be the same to recreate Purple Rain's success and really didn't enjoy it much when he had it. I love how he did as he pleased. You know, Michael Jackson took 5 years figuring out how to follow up Thriller and was paralyzed by the pressure, with Prince we had a totally different artist who took the initiative to alienate the fake pop fans and challenge the true ones. Even our own resident post-PR music hater Vainandy gave Prince the respect of listening to his later albums whether he hated them or not, that's a fan he would be proud to have I think.

I am awared Prince was doing a lot of expermental during that time period.

But Prince do contradicts himself alot. He didn't stick by his ATWIAD/Parade experimental sound and he ended up going back to his roots by SOTT to get the 1978-84 crowd back. I never said he shouldn't made ATWIAD and Parade, I feel he shouldve release those albums once his career cools off and SOTT would have been a perfect followup to Purple Rain, it wasn't PR2 sound either (GB was his more PR2 attempted). I feel it would have wise to let the wheels fall off, he got nothing to lose thats why. Most people would max their 15 minutes of mainstream fame but Prince was like fck it I got the world noticed me now and I am going to change my sound so they would take me seriously as a musician lol. Because to this day even though all the risky career moves stunts he pulled in order for him to believe he would be taken serious as a versatile musician, the general public still connected him to Purple Rain/1999 era, was the risk worth it? It remains questionable.

But hey, even with all the career risks he did, he is still around, making tunes, and still selling out in certain places but I notice too when he play his old hits, 7/10 he tends to play songs from 1978-84 era whether off his albums or off the Time/ Vanity 6. He said in his interview its money purpose and thats what the fans wanted but I feel he also tend to be more fond of that time period. Shoot I caught a bit of his recent concerts on the internet over the last year or so, he would play joints off the Time albums and The Family over ATWIAD and Parade other than Kiss and prolly Raspberry Beret and Pop Life.

I do appreciated ATWIAD and even Parade over the years, but man, when I first listened to those two joints, I was like gone into a blank stare and was with WTF?

I don't know if he went back to his roots with SOTT, as Vainandy would argue, the Dirty Mind-Purple Rain period is the stuff that got him there and SOTT was not anything like that stuff. Vainandy argues that the R&B of SOTT and to some extent Parade was just recycled 70's music. Now, I quote Vainandy because he brings up some good ideas, also, SOTT was pretty darned experimental.

So far as milking the Purple Rain stuff, Prince is his own man, he did what he wanted, whether he regretted it at any point we'll probably never know. But I admire how he flew in the face of expectations for his own reasons and to let everyone know his soul was not for sale. Truth is, ATWIAD was never a great album, had lots of songs which were either mediocre or not really finished. That wasn't the point, Prince wanted to keep moving, to keep US moving, can you see? The yuppies and duran duran fans who may have showed up at PR concerts could go to hell as far as he was concerned because he knew they'd be gone as soon as a Madonna or whoever showed up. I have to admire that. I agree that most of the people who show up at his concerts today only come to hear the oldies and he can either do that, or play some of his other great music which they've probably never heard. The one thing no one can do is please everyone.

rdhull said:

KemiVA said:

Yeah, the video is online. This was in '83 at a James Brown show. James invites Michael on stage. Michael obliges, singing and dancing a little bit. Then James tells the audience Michael wants him to invite Prince on stage. Prince rides on Chick's back to the stage, pulling his gloves off with his teeth.

James tells Prince he has to "do something". Prince looks nervous and ends up getting a guitar shoved into his hand. He plays it uncomfortably, then goes shirtless and dances some his famous sexy moves. But it just looks so awkward...

No way!!!!!!!!!

PRINCE is extremely out of his comfort zone .. James an everyone seem to be uncomfortable aswell ... I think its clear .. prince was there to watch an enjoy a gig .. an he werent in performance mode .. or warmed up or anything .. an he was thrown into the deep end unprepared ... he kinda looks drunk or stoned .. but i doubt he was it is PRINCE etc .. i think he was just in shock

I don't think he has made any so called mistakes. He is where he is today because of everything he has done and I don't believe you can take one thing without taking the whole. Personally, I feel that Larry did a mind number of Prince when he was vulvernable and provided an archtype of a father figure to him. I think that manipulating Prince into organized religion is the worst thing that has effected him because he seems to be locked down emotionally and spiritually.

juliejuliejulie said:

I don't think he has made any so called mistakes. He is where he is today because of everything he has done and I don't believe you can take one thing without taking the whole. Personally, I feel that Larry did a mind number of Prince when he was vulvernable and provided an archtype of a father figure to him. I think that manipulating Prince into organized religion is the worst thing that has effected him because he seems to be locked down emotionally and spiritually.

Everybody makes mistakes.

Every wrong turn doesn't turn into something good

wprst? the whole raave era.

professionally...probably EMANCIPATION.

it came and it went....it didnt contain the music he promised and was quickly followed up by the worst album of the year........

Worst Moment in Prince's Career

Prince went to a James Brown gig [in 1983] with Bobby Z, his drummer at the time, Big Chick, who was his security guard, and I think Jill Jones, who was one of his protégés. By now, everybody knows what happened at that gig. I don’t think Prince realized that Michael was going to be there. James looked a little puzzled in that video when Michael whispered in his ear, “Hey, bring Prince up.” And of course Prince didn’t really know what to do either. He went to the guitar first but he fumbles with that because it was left-handed. He played a few licks, did some dancing and knocked over a prop by accident. Now I always wondered if Michael intentionally brought Prince up to put him in that position just to say, “Hey, you think you’re on my ass? Well follow this, mother****er [laughs].” Bobby Z called me and said, “Oh boy…he made an ass of himself tonight.” He said Prince didn’t say a word the whole way to the hotel.

OldFriends4Sale said:

juliejuliejulie said:

I don't think he has made any so called mistakes. He is where he is today because of everything he has done and I don't believe you can take one thing without taking the whole. Personally, I feel that Larry did a mind number of Prince when he was vulvernable and provided an archtype of a father figure to him. I think that manipulating Prince into organized religion is the worst thing that has effected him because he seems to be locked down emotionally and spiritually.

Everybody makes mistakes.

Every wrong turn doesn't turn into something good

that's one way to look at it, but like anything, it takes mistakes to get to success, the old Edison analogy of how he had to try a thousand times before he found a filament for the light that wouldn't burn right up is true. As a pianist I have to labor hundreds and hundreds of times before I can get a lick anywhere near something listenable. It's either make mistakes or don't try really.

lexe said:

Worst Moment in Prince's Career

Prince went to a James Brown gig [in 1983] with Bobby Z, his drummer at the time, Big Chick, who was his security guard, and I think Jill Jones, who was one of his protégés. By now, everybody knows what happened at that gig. I don’t think Prince realized that Michael was going to be there. James looked a little puzzled in that video when Michael whispered in his ear, “Hey, bring Prince up.” And of course Prince didn’t really know what to do either. He went to the guitar first but he fumbles with that because it was left-handed. He played a few licks, did some dancing and knocked over a prop by accident. Now I always wondered if Michael intentionally brought Prince up to put him in that position just to say, “Hey, you think you’re on my ass? Well follow this, mother****er [laughs].” Bobby Z called me and said, “Oh boy…he made an ass of himself tonight.” He said Prince didn’t say a word the whole way to the hotel.

its an odd one this cos everyone i have shown whom IS NOT A "fanatic" reckons prince looks a bad muthafucker...and the light is a mere blip..he looks out of it..animalistic and fucking bad ass

jonylawson said:

lexe said:

Worst Moment in Prince's Career

Prince went to a James Brown gig [in 1983] with Bobby Z, his drummer at the time, Big Chick, who was his security guard, and I think Jill Jones, who was one of his protégés. By now, everybody knows what happened at that gig. I don’t think Prince realized that Michael was going to be there. James looked a little puzzled in that video when Michael whispered in his ear, “Hey, bring Prince up.” And of course Prince didn’t really know what to do either. He went to the guitar first but he fumbles with that because it was left-handed. He played a few licks, did some dancing and knocked over a prop by accident. Now I always wondered if Michael intentionally brought Prince up to put him in that position just to say, “Hey, you think you’re on my ass? Well follow this, mother****er [laughs].” Bobby Z called me and said, “Oh boy…he made an ass of himself tonight.” He said Prince didn’t say a word the whole way to the hotel.

its an odd one this cos everyone i have shown whom IS NOT A "fanatic" reckons prince looks a bad muthafucker...and the light is a mere blip..he looks out of it..animalistic and fucking bad ass

for most of us fans it's the most embarassing P moment ever, only the sycophants on here try to make it cool. It's hilarious as hell, he's about as silly and far away from "badass" as could be. Michael certainly called him out and Prince was still 2 years from his glorious live prime and he fucked up, it happens. Whether it's because he just didn't know what to do so he decided to act wierd or whether he was high (which I tend to doubt, but possible) I don't know. Could have been an act as I always thought the wierd Bandstand segment was (but Pepe Willie says that Prince just had sudden stagefright) who knows really.

petes2 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Everybody makes mistakes.

Every wrong turn doesn't turn into something good

that's one way to look at it, but like anything, it takes mistakes to get to success, the old Edison analogy of how he had to try a thousand times before he found a filament for the light that wouldn't burn right up is true. As a pianist I have to labor hundreds and hundreds of times before I can get a lick anywhere near something listenable. It's either make mistakes or don't try really.

Exactly. Things viewed by others as mistakes are often a lesson and no one can really judge because you aren't that person. But, it seems with a lot of arm chair critics they think they know and understand all the factors going on in someone's head and life. Which is bizarre considering often the person creating something can't even understand the process while they are in it.