SpiritOtter said:

chopingard,

the other shows/eras you suggested were not considered of GENIUS* quality in terms of creative concept, execution and, overall, wow factor for both a general and fan-base audience.

Remember D&P might not have been seen as his creative high point but it's the era where alot of people became fans and he had some of his biggest and most continuosly played hits

chopingard,

Again, you make some very valid points.

I personally enjoyed the Diamonds and Pearls era, especially the aura surrounding the release of Gett Off, the airplay it received (as well as the songs Cream, Willing and Able and Insatiable). A personal niche favorite of mine is also Strollin'; I love the simplicity of that particular song, as well as Walk Don't Walk.

However, I also believe it might be fair to suggest that, in retrospect, the era is not, in retrospect, critically regarded as a uniquely identifiable period of GENIUS* artistic growth (a key criteria regarding inclusion/exclusion from the project); commerically, the marketing/sales function was in great form, but critically, there are interesting aspects to the era which may not be best showcased within this project (e.g. the awe-inspiring Gangsta Glam/Clockin' The Jizz videos (especially the swimwear and roller blades)!

Besides, aren't there better shows/aftershows from that era than the one you suggested?

love,
Spirit

Wha i want & i'm ready to pay a lot of money for this!

Roadhouse Garden

& Outtakes ...alternate takes & demos from 1999 sessions 2 ATWIAD sessions + Demo of when doves Cry (i don't know if this one exist?)+1st version of Empty Room written in 1985 + the long version of "The Ballad of dorothy Parker!!

SpiritOtter said:

chopingard,

Again, you make some very valid points.

I personally enjoyed the Diamonds and Pearls era, especially the aura surrounding the release of Gett Off, the airplay it received (as well as the songs Cream, Willing and Able and Insatiable). A personal niche favorite of mine is also Strollin'; I love the simplicity of that particular song, as well as Walk Don't Walk.

However, I also believe it might be fair to suggest that, in retrospect, the era is not, in retrospect, critically regarded as a uniquely identifiable period of GENIUS* artistic growth (a key criteria regarding inclusion/exclusion from the project); commerically, the marketing/sales function was in great form, but critically, there are interesting aspects to the era which may not be best showcased within this project (e.g. the awe-inspiring Gangsta Glam/Clockin' The Jizz videos (especially the swimwear and roller blades)!

Besides, aren't there better shows/aftershows from that era than the one you suggested?

love,
Spirit

Fair points I guess as for better shows, I would say take a look at Thieves In The Temple live from Earls Court 92 and that's probably one of his top 5 live highlights... For me anyway

But I get what you're saying commercial rather than critical success. Myself I would see that as all the more reason to start exploring and looking for the genius in it.. Case in point the first demo of Live 4 Love which is alot darker than the album version

chopingard,

I don't think we even considered the darker, original, version of Live 4 Love. What an EXCELLENT suggestion; possibly the best so far.

Personally, I am finding it's a difficult quagmire before/after 1980-1988, but a few of you have made some really useful critiques e.g. view it ALL as part and parcel of the artistic journey, genius or otherwise. And, therefore, a complete retrospective should, perhaps, include it all. However, time is a factor and it has helped consolidate the vast work into key critical periods of artistic growth.

Nonetheless, all of your suggestions are being utilised, for better or worse. So, thank you!

love,

Spirit

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chopingard,

Holy father, I've just reviewed it again; how could we have missed this darker original gem, Live 4 Love; it's absolutely BRILLIANT; the vocals, the lyrics. It's far more spooky.

love,

Spirit

SpiritOtter said:

Dear Prince.org,

GENIUS | A Gift of GOD

Side 1.

Donna

Wouldn't U Love 2 Love Me (1979)

Lisa

Strange Way Of Saying I Love U

Moonbeam Levels

Extralovable

Purple Music#2

Side 2.

Possessed

All Day, All Night

Something In The Water (Does Not Compute) [demo]

Computer Blue [Sunset Sound "Hallway Speech"] #2

Lust U Always

Manic Monday

Desire

Side 3.

Our Destiny (studio version)

Girl 'O' My Dreams #1

Can't Stop This Feeling I Got #1

We Can Funk#1

Data Bank #1

Wonderful Ass #1

Witness 4 The Prosecution [original Dream Factory] #1

Side 4.

It's A Wonderful Day

Everybody Want What They Don't Got

In A Large Room With No Light

Joy In Repitition #1

Empty Room #2

Old Friends 4 Sale #1

All My Dreams

Side 5.

Wouldn't U Love 2 Love Me (1987 demo)

The Question of U #1

Pink Cashmere [original Lovesexy] #1

Crucial #1

The Ball

Rebirth Of The Flesh [original Funk Bible] #1

The Line

Side 6.

Mind Bells

I Hear Your Voice [Prince vocal] #1

Open Book

Get Blue

Love...Thy Will Be Done [Prince vocal] #1

Allegiance

I Wonder

Questions

1. Which is your favorite side. of music? e.g. Side 4

2. Which tracks would you like to see included/rejected from the release?

I made changes on what songs I would want to be released in bold.

3. Would you be happy if the music was released offically by Prince on VINYL / CD / DVD?

Yes I would be happy!

4. How would you feel about an independent, Prince-authorised, biography to accompany the release?

I would be excited about a Prince authourized bio.

5. Which, as yet unreleased, 7 live DVDs (Blu-ray) would you like to accompany the release?

First Avenue 3/8/82

First Avenue 8/3/83

First Avenue 6/7/84

San Francisco 5/23/86

Paisely Park 12/31/87

Hamburg 8/31/88

Roseland Ballroom 10/3/88

6. How much would you pay Prince to have your own copy of GENIUS: A Gift of GOD? e.g. $199.90 I'd gladly pay about $150-$200

7. How many people in total do you think would purchase the set at that price? e.g. 500,000

I think the set would only appeal to about 250,000 people or so. Not a whole lot honestly...

love,
Spirit

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iloveannie,

Thanks for your useful feedback.

love,

Spirit

Mindbells9,

You've made some brilliant additions e.g. Lisa, Lust U Always, Our Destiny, Everybody Want What They Don't Got and Wouldn't You Love To Love Me. How about If I Love You Tonight [Prince Vocal] #1?

I have noted the previous wish for Roadhouse Garden by another .Orger; it's interesting that no one else has mentioned it?

Each and every single suggestion for the live shows are out of the top-drawer in terms of genius-eque performances. Thank you for the reminder!

Is there anything else you might also want to see/hear, beyond the suggested criteria?

love,

Spirit

Mindbells9,

I think you might also be correct about a demographic of approximately 250,000, although I would have originally suggested between 250,000-500,000, given the original ideas for the retrospective, including completely authorised and remastered, unedited, studio albums between 1980-1988 with extended B-sides, outtakes and studio jams from the respective eras as the second/third disc (in some eras).

Unfortunately, a luxury product like this is likely only to appeal to those who know. Even though $199.90 is not much in the grand scheme of things, especially when considered in context to how much many individuals may have paid over the years to consume these goods from unauthorised channels, it is still unlikely to appeal to anyone else, other than a hardcore audience.

love,

Spirit

SpiritOtter said:

Mindbells9,

You've made some brilliant additions e.g. Lisa, Lust U Always, Our Destiny, Everybody Want What They Don't Got and Wouldn't You Love To Love Me. How about If I Love You Tonight [Prince Vocal] #1?

I have noted the previous wish for Roadhouse Garden by another .Orger; it's interesting that no one else has mentioned it?

Each and every single suggestion for the live shows are out of the top-drawer in terms of genius-eque performances. Thank you for the reminder!

Is there anything else you might also want to see/hear, beyond the suggested criteria?

love,

Spirit

I could take that song or leave it. It was never one of my favorites.However, I don't dislike it and it's certainly not a bad song in my opinion.

As far as anything else I'd like to see, I'd like these on dvd/blu ray

Inglewood 2/23/85 Purple Rain Tour

First Aveune 3/3/86 Parade Warm Up

The Complete Detroit 6/7/86 Birthday Show

I would absolutely pay $199 for this, except for the fact that there are approx 7 songs on each side, which in turn means they would have to be about 3 minutes in length each (for vinyl). I hate edited songs.

I guess I should rephrase my original statement: I would absolutely pay $199 for the full length versions of these songs.

Bob

P.S. - Yes, when I listen to 'America', I listen to the 22 minute version.

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[Edited 4/8/12 15:43pm]

SpiritOtter said:

a) I have never heard the majority of those tracks.

b) A 3-disc set on vinyl for $1,999.00 (American dollars, not Mexican pesos) would make it a rare collector's item, like the gold-&-jewel-encrusted iPhones out there that the general populace can't touch.

c) A 3-disc set on BOTH vinyl & CD with a wide release (Target, Amazon, iTunes, etc.) for $19.99 would probably sell VERY well.

iloveannie said:

I love you SpiritOtter. I'm not even kidding.

Uh, you're already advertising this...bootleg project on your website?! How do you plan to do this without Prince's permission and input? And exactly how much of the proceeds were you planning on giving him? This isn't exactly in your line of work.

purplethunder3121,

Everything is above board; whatever is being bootlegged is being authorised by the owner(s), without exception, if that makes sense?

With all due respect, psychohistoriography is my line of work; do you know who I am?

I am Spirit Otter!

love,

Spirit

smoothcriminal12 said:

I love you SpiritOtter. I'm not even kidding.

smoothcriminal12,

Thank you for the love.

And for being genuine.

love,

Spirit

i don't want another random, thrown together, mixed bag of a project.

if and when vault material is released in the future it should be in one

of two ways:

a. included on remasters of the warner albums up to 1995, outtakes in

this case as 'belonging' to either the album itself or the general 'era'.

b. as an anthology, sort of like the beatles did. a few releases, maybe

3 sets of each 3 discs, spanning a certain time. 80/85, 85/90, 90/95.

that seems like the only way we would actually get some good stuff or

at least the bulk of the good stuff.

having him throw together another release with a few songs from here

and a few songs from there simply isn't gonna cut it. not for the fans,

who will deem it 'incomplete' and not for his own reputation/legacy, as

such a 'one off' half baked release would attract hardly any attention.

remasters with the outtakes added would attract the most attention, as

it would be a double interest release. both a remastered album, which

many have been waiting for since forever, and a glimpse at what he'd

put away at that particular time.

an anthology set would be great on it's own since it could chronicle his

career as an 'alternative' hits set. a type of 'what if' release. i imagine

he could include his versions of songs that were hits for others as well.

stuff like 'time waits for no one', 'manic monday', 'love thy will b done"

etc etc.

as far as dvd releases of live performances go, i'm not sure. i think i'd

rather have the performances on cd. or at the very least on a double

release package of the dvd plus the audio on cd.

but i feel like this is all water under the bridge. it's what he could have

done through his websites from the beginning. when there were still a

lot of people interested and signing up/checking him out. we all know

that door is closed now. well, most likely, anyway.

his sites would have fared to much better if he'd just listened to what

people wanted. releasing live shows as downloads with the option to a

physical cd purchase attached to it and then doing the same for most

of his outtakes, he could have and no doubt would have been able to

make a very nice profit and slowly build up more and more subscribers.

but i'm digressing, as usual. we'll just have to wait and see what we'll

be treated to in the future. good or bad, well executed or another one

of those roll-your-eyes releases, i'll be listening anyway.

ok, so i've taken the time to actually read the entire thread

now and had a look at your website.

and i have to admit, i'm a little dumbstruck.

what am i supposed to take away from this? that you are in

possession of first generation tapes and 'remastered' them

yourself/with the help of others. like the box of chocolates,

or similar releases have done in the past few years?

but that would not explain why you are taking 'requests' for

these proposed releases, since you hint that it would be an

option to just throw up songnames and you'd consider them

for inclusion (hence you hint that you would somehow have

access to everything we know has been recorded by prince).

much as i like you and am often intreagued by your person,

despite the ridicule you sometimes suffer from others here,

i must admit that i consider it very unlikely that you would be

in a position to negotiate for tracks with prince. especially in

this way.

don't get me wrong, i wish this were all completely sincere

and forthcoming, but, you must admit, it seems doubtful to

the casual observer. especially since we're talking about a

man like prince.

i guess what i'm saying is that i'll need a bit more convincing.

in short: spill some more beans.

IstenSzek,

Do not feel so down and withdrawn to yet another useless grab-bag; where there is a will, there is always a way, if you believe...

You have an incredibly strong capacity to write specific detail regarding extended album projects; to begin with, provide just ONE album/era and specifically detail what the 2 or 3CD set could include, with sequencing if you have the time e.g. the Parade era given that it is one of your favourites.

I agree; I, personally, would much rather an extensive reissue of the Warner Brother years with new, additional, liner notes, extended B-sides, outtakes and rarities from the era. 3 discs, though, would not be sufficient to appropriately cover any of those eras you grouped; if we're going the whole nine, there's no point editing out anything now.

What's the dream, IstenSzek. Specifically, detail it. Who else will do it otherwise? After all, there's really only one person who privately listens to the entirity of The Truth album.

It's like in The Matrix movie. IstenSzek, it is you.

love,

Spirit

haha, well put spiritotter, well put

i'll get back to you tomorrow since i have to go to bed now.

ok, so i couldn't sleep with this on my mind

here's what would seem most exquisite to me:

a 3 disc set.

for parade it would look a little something like this

DISC 1: PARADE (original album, remastered)

01. christopher tracy's parade

02. new position

03. i wonder u

04. under the cherry moon

05. girls and boys

06. life can be so nice

07. venus de milo

08. mountains

09. do u lie?

10. kiss

11. anotherloverholenyohead

12. sometimes it snows in april

no changes to the original album. the only change would be

more extensive liner notes from both prince and personell,

unseen photo's and anecdotes from bandmembers etc etc.

cover art and inside sleeve art would remain unchanged, it

would simply be extended with the new information, notes

and pictures.

DISC 2: PARADE (bsides, outtakes and related tracks)

01. kiss (extended version)

02. anotherloverholenyohead (extended version)

03. mountains (extended version)

04. love or money (long version)

05. alexa de paris (long version)

06. an honest man (vocal)

07. it's a wonderful day

08. old friends 4 sale

09. all my dreams

10. evolsidog

11. others here with us

12. call of the wild

13. god is everywhere

14. an honest man (instrumental version)

tracks included on the second disc of these type of releases

would be the extended versions and bsides from the singles.

the outtake content would be either genuine outtakes from

the particular album and tracks that were at one point even

briefly considered for the project. as well as perhaps tracks

that were recorded during this general 'era'.

for parade that would perhaps also include some stuff from

dream factory. but that is so much material that it would be

better on it's own. altho one dream factory tracks (at least,

dream factory considered track) does surface on my version

of the extended parade. that is "it's a wonderful day" since

it was used in the movie.

this method of including the unreleased and the bsides or

extended versions on one disc would possibly run into some

problems with other albums which had more outtakes and

more bside material. in that case it might be better to put

the singles/bside material on the original album disc. but it

just seems wrong on all the remasters i have by others. it

feels out of place. especially when you listen to an album on

your stereo. the album ends, and bam, there's a remix or a

single edit or an outtake booming into your room. i just can't

imagine sitting there, after the end of "april" and then just

as you're about to reach for the stereo you hear prince boom

out "hey you!!!!!! get out on this dancefloor". lol. no thanks.

DISC 3: PARADE (the album, live)

the complete album, as is, from track 1 to track 12, live.

since prince recorded all his shows from the beginning it

would be fairly simple for him to compile the album live.

you'd take the best possible performance of each song,

and mix them together to form a seamless 'live parade'.

it would be a good showcase of what his band could do 2

the songs once they went on tour. it would document the

band in the specific era and also showcase yet another

fascet of the album in question since it could now also be

experienced as a live interpretation.

particular entire concerts could later be released as dvds

or as perhaps exclusive super-deluxe content, since they

would not fit onto a single disc and thus make an already

extensive 3 disc release even more expansive.

also, releasing 'the album' live would mean it would fit on

a single disc as well, even if some of the songs were a bit

longer in concert (most 80s albums were short).

wow. make believe is sometimes so cool. on the other hand

it's almost 5 a.m.

oh well, i think i'll make a pot of coffee and go compile my

own live version of parade. i'm gonna need some goggles

to wade through all those live shows.

IstenSzek said:

lotsa awesome stuff about parade.

I love you Lars!

This would definitely be the way to go.

I can see the beauty of leaving the original album untouched in perfect remastered sound as its own statement. We all like bang for our buck and I understand why something like Beck's "Odelay" crams in as much as possible, but it feels disjointed when an artist goes that route. I can also see how something more than 2 discs is cost-prohibitive.

At the same time, when remasters are released, there is often a single disc and multiple deluxe edition releases. I know it's difficult for Parade as it had less 12" material than others, but it's also hard for me to listen to demos & outtakes alongside fully formed, released single material. I think you're onto something great, but I would almost prefer a 4th disc to cover everything.

Disc 1: Original Album

Disc 2: Non-Album material: Remixes, B-Sides, Soundtrack/Compilation contributions, unreleased remixes (i.e. Dorothy Parker extended, Lovesexy Remix, etc.)

Disc 3: Demos, Outtakes & Alternate Versions

Disc 4: Live

I would have to have -

Neon Telephone

Go

Splash

Heaven

Sexual Suicide

on my Parade outtakes disc. I've always wished for an extended 10 minute version of New Position as well. That would go great on Disc 2.

I'm happy to daydream with you! Maybe if enough of us put this energy out into the universe, someone will hear us.

TRON said:

IstenSzek said:

lotsa awesome stuff about parade.

I love you Lars!

This would definitely be the way to go.

I can see the beauty of leaving the original album untouched in perfect remastered sound as its own statement. We all like bang for our buck and I understand why something like Beck's "Odelay" crams in as much as possible, but it feels disjointed when an artist goes that route. I can also see how something more than 2 discs is cost-prohibitive.

At the same time, when remasters are released, there is often a single disc and multiple deluxe edition releases. I know it's difficult for Parade as it had less 12" material than others, but it's also hard for me to listen to demos & outtakes alongside fully formed, released single material. I think you're onto something great, but I would almost prefer a 4th disc to cover everything.

Disc 1: Original Album

Disc 2: Non-Album material: Remixes, B-Sides, Soundtrack/Compilation contributions, unreleased remixes (i.e. Dorothy Parker extended, Lovesexy Remix, etc.)

Disc 3: Demos, Outtakes & Alternate Versions

Disc 4: Live

I would have to have -

Neon Telephone

Go

Splash

Heaven

Sexual Suicide

on my Parade outtakes disc. I've always wished for an extended 10 minute version of New Position as well. That would go great on Disc 2.

I'm happy to daydream with you! Maybe if enough of us put this energy out into the universe, someone will hear us.

oh i would be more than happy with a 4 disc version too

that way all the single material could be on a disc by itself, indeed. so you could include all

edits as well (like the single edit of kiss, with it's different ending etc). on those discs you

could then perhaps include some unreleased mixes or edits if there was any room left

which would leave a lot more room on the 'outtakes' disc. and i'm guessing prince probably

has a few extra gems in the vault that we don't even know about *at all* stuff he just put 2

tape on his own, by himself. stuff that's unknown to anyone but himself. so we're gonna be

needing all the space we can get on every single disc, lol.

and one more thing "an extended 10 minute version of New Position" *tripple drool* that'd

be amazing. that rhythm track!! those caribian drums!!! aaaaaaaaaargh.

i need a tranquilizer now

IstenSzek said:

TRON said:

I love you Lars!

This would definitely be the way to go.

I can see the beauty of leaving the original album untouched in perfect remastered sound as its own statement. We all like bang for our buck and I understand why something like Beck's "Odelay" crams in as much as possible, but it feels disjointed when an artist goes that route. I can also see how something more than 2 discs is cost-prohibitive.

At the same time, when remasters are released, there is often a single disc and multiple deluxe edition releases. I know it's difficult for Parade as it had less 12" material than others, but it's also hard for me to listen to demos & outtakes alongside fully formed, released single material. I think you're onto something great, but I would almost prefer a 4th disc to cover everything.

Disc 1: Original Album

Disc 2: Non-Album material: Remixes, B-Sides, Soundtrack/Compilation contributions, unreleased remixes (i.e. Dorothy Parker extended, Lovesexy Remix, etc.)

Disc 3: Demos, Outtakes & Alternate Versions

Disc 4: Live

I would have to have -

Neon Telephone

Go

Splash

Heaven

Sexual Suicide

on my Parade outtakes disc. I've always wished for an extended 10 minute version of New Position as well. That would go great on Disc 2.

I'm happy to daydream with you! Maybe if enough of us put this energy out into the universe, someone will hear us.

oh i would be more than happy with a 4 disc version too

that way all the single material could be on a disc by itself, indeed. so you could include all

edits as well (like the single edit of kiss, with it's different ending etc). on those discs you

could then perhaps include some unreleased mixes or edits if there was any room left

which would leave a lot more room on the 'outtakes' disc. and i'm guessing prince probably

has a few extra gems in the vault that we don't even know about *at all* stuff he just put 2

tape on his own, by himself. stuff that's unknown to anyone but himself. so we're gonna be

needing all the space we can get on every single disc, lol.

and one more thing "an extended 10 minute version of New Position" *tripple drool* that'd

be amazing. that rhythm track!! those caribian drums!!! aaaaaaaaaargh.

i need a tranquilizer now

Please send one for me too (tranquilizer) ~ I will sleep with many of these gems dancing in my head tonight.