This thread needs 2 b shut down now....

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

This thread needs 2 b shut down now....

thedance said:

Oh dear, noone in their right mind believes Prince is gay.

Only the ignorrants, who don't like his music, those non-fans... trying to put him down.

the fans who knows about Prince knows he is 100% straight, always was and always will be.

thedance,

In my experience, I've been aware of many individuals who liked his music, yet still believe he is or, at least, maybe gay/bisexual.

It would appear, like you, that I, too, simply can't fathom his orientation being anything other than simply hetrosexual. However, this perspective clearly is not the only one that exists.

Personally speaking, I have appreciated and enjoyed the multiple realities that Prince has played with in his music. As one example, asking the listener to entertain whether he is straight or gay in Controversy.

In fact, I always loved the bold, broadmindedness, of his early work, as he played with tradtionally close-minded audiences, including many of his fanbase. As he opened his mind, so he challenged us to open ours. That sense of playfulness is still there but, as one would expect with a person in their 50's, there are often less naive areas left to explore.

The unfortunate critique of Prince, then, is that he has lost his mojo. But, as many others have pointed out, I believe his musical ouput of recent years to be more a function of the expected trajectory of a GENIUS in his elder statesmen stage i.e. other factors predominate, such as teaching a new generation of musicians, rather than continuing to forge an entirely unique musical path for himself.

Of course, there have been some notable peak resurgences in what might be considered GENIUS output, such as The Gold Experience, The Rainbow Children and LotusFlower, but alas, whilst enjoyable, all of these recordings tend to retrace signature Prince sounds, rather than boldly creating new experimental music.

I believe I may have gone off piste?

love,

Spirit

love,

Spirit

govinda said:

I personally don`t give a flying f**k if he`s gay or not.

I love Prince for his music, not for the person(s) he sleep or slept with...

I know some people still judges others for their sexuallity, I think it`s real poor thinking and somehow really stupid!

govinda,

With Prince, I believe the reaction from his hardcore audience may be a little more complex than naive changes in judgement regarding the quality of the music, or strictly prejudiced views towards the defined sexuality of the genius behind the music.

I suspect this may be primarily because of the extent to which Prince himself has pushed the envelope for much of his career in being all-inclusive and utopian in his worldview, at least within the soundscapes he has often created.

It may be understandable, then, how a significant audience who once felt drawn into the more universal messages Prince co-authored with his many influences/muses and us (e.g. Dirty Mind, Around The World In A Day, Lovesexy), have been, at one time or another, left cold by the less inclusive messages witnessed in his later years (e.g. The Rainbow Children).

So, I don't find it as clear cut to conclude that any response from his hardcore audience would be along the lines of "poor thinking". Rther, it has been understandable to me, whilst at times baffling, to be part of the changes in thinking and experiencing of his core audience. As someone else remarked somewhere in this thread, it is actually also quite funny to observe the dynamics play out between Prince and us.

Ultimately, we still have his back, no matter what we might say or do, especially on the .Org.

love,

Spirit

love,

Spirit

80spfantwp said:

That's a shame that a person's sexuality is able to change your appreciation of their artistry

oh well

SpiritOtter said:

it would almost definitely and irrevocably alter my view of the music

80spfantwp,

Prince's sexuality has been and, I suspect, always will be, inextricably linked to the subjective experiencing of his audiences appreciation of his music. I don't believe there is any shame in such a reality. Indeed, it is a reality that Prince has championed throughout his artistic journey, even when he defined his shades of grey (e.g. Controversy) in more black and white terms (e.g. 1+1+1 is 3).

love,

Spirit

NDRU said:

OzlemUcucu said:

A lot of people won't admit that it would affect them, but I think it would. As for me, I KNOW it would change the whole meaning of his songs, as it did with George Michael for me. I don't listen to his songs anymore, and it has more to do with how and why he is showcasing his homosexuality than his songs. So, he put me off for forever. It may sound weird, but when I had found out Wendy and Lisa being lesbian, I simply couldn't listen to them anymore, tho I never liked their musical output anyway. Having said that, I do sometimes think Prince could be gay for a fact, but I am undecided. Whatever he prefers, I appreciate he keeps it for himself, as this is nobodys business.

[Edited 3/19/12 11:10am]

My sister stopped following George Michael when she found out he was gay, but not not because of prejudice, but because she was in love with him and much of her love was based on this feeling that the love could be reciprocated.

She stilll likes the old Wham music, so that does not change, but she says she largely lost interest in him as a person, other than the nostalgic curiousity about people from our childhood.

I don't give a shit if Prince is gay. In fact he is "gayer" than most homosexuals (note the quotes indicating my use of stereotyping). It is gross and over the top. I have tolerated his ridiculousness, laughed at it, all the while loving his music. I like him despite his persona, not because of it.

NRDU,

I note your use of stereotyping; however, I bet even you love a part of this persona, as chameleon and over the top as it has been at times over the years, surely?

Afterall, how can you not fall for the boy's tongue in cheek personality (e.g. sucking a lollipop during We Are The World, his alleged dark night of the soul experience and subsequent withdrawal of The Black Album, writing slave on his cheek and producing the song The Exodus Has Begun, to name but a few choice examples).

Where did this one come from?

love,

Spirit

and lets not forget how black men had to emasculate themselves in earlier eras just to get over. when I say emasculate, that means any form of masking of their blackness, lightning, straightening hair, being a goof, or any other compromise to their manhood. Black men have always had to do that in America in order to be accepted. Prince is very shrewd and cunning, never seemed comfortable around gay people. For all we know it was strictly a gimmick, one that he played very, very well.

Spinlight said:

SpiritOtter said:

Spinlight,

You are making some good points (even if I still believe you are making some misinterpretations).

However, I do ask that you, AND others, try not to enflame this thread. It will be nigh-on-impossible, I imagine, if this thread doesn't get locked, though, which is a shame.

love,

Spirit

If this thread had skewed more towards his race, you don't think people would comment on that? Have you never seen the fiery debates about Prince hiding his blackness in the 80s and what some people interpret as the true reason for "The NPG"?

I can tell you those threads are worse than anything I've said so far.

TO address your original post:

You are right, it is patently clear he is not a gay white man. He is indeed a straight black man.

It is possible he has had gay sex. If you believe many stories told in the Minneapolis area, you certainly believe he has.

I don't buy that gay sex ostensibly "repulses" him. If that were the case, he would not continue working with so many gay people. His religion is still a very prominent aspect of his music and with "Big Brother" always watching, he has yet to say anything not drenched in pious machismo.

Spinlight,

Incidentally, who are the gay people he continues to work with? And do you honestly believe the spotlight really is on? Even if it was, one can't restrict his lone wolf in the wilderness tendencies. He has been always drawn to freedom and I suspect he will always pioneer paths toward that heavenly place.

love,

Spirit

vainandy said:

nursev said:

Btw I doubt it cuz some queen woulda told that shit years ago

Prince is a queen himself and queens don't go after queens. That would be dyking. Prince probably goes after the butch rough trade and they would never tell it.

Say what I just learned something

vainandy said:

nursev said:

Just thinking of the visual of Prince n Andre or Morris-No Way in hell with Morris ass Maybe Andre's fine ass But HELL NAW PRINCE AIN'T GAY

If he didn't sleep with Andre that doesn't mean he's straight. That just means his ass is crazy as hell and needs to be locked in a rubber room.

Andre was FINE!!!!!

nayroo2002 said:

"I'm not a woman, I'm not a man"

-Prince

"Prince is a lesbian trapped in a man's body"

-me (and many others, i would imagine!)

Can/could/will Prince write, arrange, produce, perform music that will make you think about this sexual side or that?

Yup.

So what's changed then, SpiritOtterPrevoker?

Prost!

nayroo2002,

You are right; nothing's ever really changed with Prince, even though it did and has and will continue to, if that makes sense?

love,

Spirit

Spinlight said:

SpiritOtter said:

Spinlight,

I respect the intelligence you are bringing to this thread; I request, however, that you don't rise to the trolls. You've brought more than most already to this discussion; the cream always rises to the top. Thank you.

If you wish to expand on The NPG theory or the many stories told in the Minneapolis area, you allude to, I would welcome it.

love,

Spirit

Many people hold the theory that the NPG's purpose was to blacken and toughen his image. Prince has always had white people in the audience (recall the Dirty Mind videos where one really "into it" white blonde is in the front row shaking her... things), but when he changed his sound (more pop/rock) and image (most of the band is white with prominent female members), he gained "the rest" of the white audience and they drowned out his black following.

After "Raspberry Beret" and "Pop Life" (2 majorly white-sounding songs, pop/rock formula borrowing from "Let's Go Crazy" and "Take Me With U" thematically if not in sound) and the brief ATWIAD era, you see him injecting more color into his band with Miko, Sheila, and the bodyguards as well as Jerome, etc. It was by this time his black following had largely criticized his white-affectation.

With the NPG, he gradually made his band more "colorful" with Cat, Boni, and eventually Michael B, Sonny, et al. Along with this came his hip hop noodling (leading into full on hip hop tracks on Diamonds and Pearls and every album thereafter). It's interesting to note that even when Prince acquiesced to people wanting his "whiter" sound back, he incorporated rap songs anyway. Check The Gold Experience and Chaos & Disorder where "Now" and "I Rock Therefore I Am" sound way out of place.

Obviously now his band is just about 100% black and he incorporates almost nothing but R&B/Soul and hiphop in his music. His sales are down about a jillion percent since 1984 for what its worth (don't take this as a sign I care about his sales - I don't, just noting it for posterity).

I don't necessarily agree with a lot of the anecdotal/speculative stuff, but I do witness people holding said opinions so that's why I'm saying it. I don't want anyone misinterpreting my comments in a way that suggests I agree he is bitter towards white people.

There's a lot of lore in the MPLS area that Prince has engaged in gay sex. It's hard to explain. Others have lived in the MPLS area longer than I did and can explain it better. I once spent several hours in the NPG store in MPLS and an old dude told me about how back in the day before Prince became famous and was touring in a van with his band Champagne, he was caught in a van with a dude. Again, it's silly local folklore, but it's definitely talked about.

Sorry for the longwinded post.

[Edited 3/19/12 12:44pm]

Spinlight,

At this stage in his career, do you still believe Prince consciously tries to write white or black music, if we can broadly and simply define his musical output using such terms? For the record, like you, I know there is no such reality in these terms, but I am using these concepts purely as a starter for conversation.

Personally speaking, I believe his consciously injected colour lines earlier within his career are now no longer easily possible for him to specifically discipline himself to. Even on supposedly more singlular musically themed albums, such as LotusFlower, he finds it nigh on impossible to not create with all the colours of his rainbow. Whilst that can be jarring at times, as it can break the flow of an album, it is also why I love his musical output; such unusual touches, like All The Midnights In The World.

love,

Spirit

EyeJester7 said:

I really appreciate these posts you leave here.

You always encourage others to express their honest opinions. I respect that so much! I look forward to your posts!

I could go down and agree with pretty much all of the posts here, but that would take too much time. Haha. You all have interesting points!

I don't believe PRINCE IS A GAY BLACK MAN, for pretty much the same reasons many others have outlined here. It's obvious he is a straight man, who is just very in touch with his femininity. Which is acceptable!

I think at one time he was against it blatantly because he JUST joined 'Jehovah's Witness's' and he probably thought it was his duty to come out and denounce it? Than again, he went on Ellen around that same time? He's a walking contradiction..lol. I think he understands now that regardless of your orientation you are a person. Being gay should not mean being treated less than a human being. It's not fair, and highly discriminating. As he says, we are all in this together. I think Prince seems to struggle with Monotheism and universalism. Even when he was a Jehovah's Witness he still came out with 'One Song'. Which describes we are one with the universe, etc.

EVEN before he became a JW, he never seemed to speak out against homosexuals or lesbians. He just isn't one.

For the most part, it seems that over the years, he seems to have respect for everyone regardless. Prince dresses the way he does, because he feels clothes should not matter. He has written so many songs about how it does not matter win what you have on. Songs like: Calhoun Square, Uptown, & Controversy are a few examples. I do agree, and see where he comes from. AVERAGE watchers though think its 'Gay' to do what Prince does. It's shocking and questionable, and I think Prince wonders why is it like that?

Outside of his clothing/make up choices, I can't think of much that would cause Prince to be considered gay. He has not demonstrated like/affection for the same sex.

It's obvious he greatly respects women, for what they are, and he loves them. At one point he seemed to want to be a woman. "If I come back as a woman, I want a body like yours" Hahaha.. JK. THEN there was that time in the 90's when he kind of made it seem as if he was a girl? Haha

I think he does all of those antics to hide his personal life. It's a smart device for people to not pay attention to his personal life. Clothes, masks, and mystery are perfect coverings for what is behind.

It's the same way Lady Gaga does it, even though she is one provocative girl on stage and interviews, she holds to many 'Catholic traditions' and is normal like everyone else in a way. She does not want people knowing about her personal life, and I think it should be like that. Why do we need to know anyways? ALSO does this knowledge effect how you view them? It shouldn't. It does not to me.

Not to say that is the case in all respects, but certainly Prince uses androgyny, sexuality, and controversy to give people to question.

He loves the question, and the reason people think before they really know about him.

I think it's pretty clever.

Hilarious at times too! lol

[Edited 3/19/12 12:56pm]

[Edited 3/19/12 12:57pm]

EyeJester7,

I felt you made some excellent points here regarding how Prince loves to get us to question, but especially with regards to your hypothesis that he may have used all these antics to actually mask the real person behind the persona of his musical genius. If you are still on this thread, can you expand more on this latter point?

love,

Spirit

FunkySideEffects said:

People confuse androgyny as being gay.

FunySideEffects,

Do you know whether any of the new music in Androgyny9 will see the light of day this summer, 2012?

love,

Spirit

robertgeorgeakabob said:

i would flip if i found out prince was gay, not because of any latent homophobia (i have nothing against houses), but because it would turn an album like dirty mind and the image that accompanied into a lie. wasn't he asked in uptown, "are u gay?"? his answer was pretty succint and unambiguous, "no, are u?"

the bikini briefs, stockings and flasher mac was a way to screw with convention and it's rigid view of masculinity and sexuality.

in his younger days i think prince was so enamoured with himself that he quite liked the idea of being fancied by the boys too but i would think his attitude towards homosexuality today must be unquestionably affected by the religion he studies.

robertgoergeakabob,

You nailed it like P nailed Nelson George with THE funk jam off The Black Album.

love,

Spirit

OldFriends4Sale said:

SpiritOtter said:

80spfantwp,

Of course, it would. Just like if I found out that Prince was not black, but actually a white man. It would almost definitely and irrevocably alter my view of the music.

Family Name, sung by a white man?

Hello NO.

love,

Spirit

Prince as a "black man" was very much a later in life thing, sorta

Prince always had a mutt aura about him, so he could sing from both sides

Yes Family Name sung by a white man is seriously easy, it's not that deep.

That idea is way 2 racially defined. It's almost like saying all black people think very socially aware and conscious and all white people are priviliged and shallow

OldFriends4Sale,

You made a valuable point; I retract my provocative stance.

love,

Spirit

WaterInYourBath said:

SpiritOtter said:

I like your style, WaterInYourBath.

But can I ask you to keep it polite? We all make awful errors on the .Org. It's an occupational hazard. At least, juliejuliejulie is bringing something to the table, even if it might be considered questionable.

love,

Spirit

Of course, and that's all I'd like discussions to be as well, yet there's always someone who detracts from that. But I don't want your thread to get closed, and I respect they way you're handling it, so I'll comply.

WaterInYourBath,

I appreciated your response. Don't go away entirely, though.

COMEBACK, in your own time.

love,

Spirit

FunkySideEffects said:

2 things: - Prince is not gay, deal with it - Prince is not black or white, he's a person Peace

FunkySideEffects,

Even if race, in the space, he marks...

He is a black person.

love,

Spirit

clubon36 said:

SpiritOtter said:

Dear Prince.org,

It is patently clear that Prince is NOT a gay black man.

However, is it possible that he has ever engaged intimately with another man in his life? Would it change how you would view his music?

Personally speaking, I don't believe he has ever screwed his fellow man. Truthfully, it would almost definitely and irrevocably alter my view of the music and I am not convinced it would be a good thing at this stage for his public persona, or his fanbase, if it was revealed he wasn't exclusively a lover of women.

It is interesting that the thought of homosexuality still appears to repulse him, even though the JW system of beliefs has less of a stranglehold on his music.

love,

Spirit

Surely - you know what you are doing. You invite "discussion" on whether or not a persons opinion would change about a musician if he turned out to be gay.

There are only 2 ways to answer your question: No my view doesn't change or Yes it does. If a person says that "yes" a musician's sexual preference impacts how the music is perceived, surely you aren't surprised that it will ilicit outraged and emotional responses, as well it should.

So try as you might to encourage people to be polite... you asked for the opposite by posing such an irrelavent, assine question that encourages people to justify their prejudices so that you will feel justified by yours. And you can say it as polite as you like, but it is disgusting.

This is the reason that I don't visit the Politics/Religion forum. In fact, why isn't this thread moved over there? It should be. Including Prince in the title isn't even relavent. The OP wants to know who will stop respecting the professional output of another person if that person was gay.

Disgusting.

clubon36,

I appreciate your critique. And I am okay with your misjudgement of me, as it is perhaps understandable.

I will say this much, though; you are absolutely incorrect regarding wishing to encourage people to justify their prejudices so that I will allegedly feel justified by mine.

I would encourage you to slow down and breathe before you conclude with such terms as "disgusting".

love,

Spirit

smoothcriminal12 said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

This thread needs 2 b shut down now....

but yeah the thread is toast now.

kishi said:

From a young age, I was fascinated by Prince's comfort in his own skin. It's RARE that you see a man so in touch with his feminine side. I always admired that he was somewhat androgynous, racially ambiguous, and sexually ambiguous.

Our sexuality is only part of us, it doesn't define who we are. We all deserve respect and I love Prince for his musical talents, not who he's involved with romantically or sexually.

kishi,

You have a cute name.

And this was a cute post.

Thanks for being...cute.

love,

Spirit

artist76 said:

SpiritOtter said:

Dear Prince.org,

It is patently clear that Prince is NOT a gay black man.

However, is it possible that he has ever engaged intimately with another man in his life? Would it change how you would view his music?

Personally speaking, I don't believe he has ever screwed his fellow man. Truthfully, it would almost definitely and irrevocably alter my view of the music and I am not convinced it would be a good thing at this stage for his public persona, or his fanbase, if it was revealed he wasn't exclusively a lover of women.

It is interesting that the thought of homosexuality still appears to repulse him, even though the JW system of beliefs has less of a stranglehold on his music.

love,

Spirit

As to "would it change how I view his music" - his or any artist's sexuality does not affect my enjoyment of good music. If it's good music, that's all that matters in terms of continuing to listen to it and appreciate it. But yes, I might "view" the lyrics differently, just like when I found out what "Karma Kameleon" was about, whenever I hear those lyrics now I have that whole biographical story behind it (Boy George in love with that other band member who was unsure about being gay), now the lyrics fit completely into that story, it makes sense. Just like any piece of information behind the inspiration for a certain art - whether it be a painting, poem, novel - it informs the understanding of that art. However, I am still able to separate the artist's meaning and purpose of his/her art from my own interpretation of that art. I can listen to "Karma Kameleon" as just a song about a crappy lover who keeps changing his mind, and I can sing along without feeling like "ugh, but I'm not a gay man." For example, maybe it turns out "When Doves Cry" is about his anger and confusion about his own gay feelings, and it would be interesting to know that and to view the song as he intended; but then I am not bound by his meaning of the song.

As to whether it'd be good for his public persona or fanbase - I agree, I'm also not convinced it'd be a good thing to "come out" at this stage. It might be good for him personally and good for many other reasons, but not good for his persona and fanbase. Mainly because his whole persona was/is "I'm an extremely private person, don't talk about my personal life, I'm straight but I'm not afraid of my feminine side, I wear heels & makeup for the ladies, I'm macho but I'm also over the top "gay"" - that whole image would be turned upside down.

But I have a question for YOU - it would alter your view of his music if he were gay, but would it negate all GENIUS value for you?

artist76,

Yes, I would view the lyrics differently and, therefore, my subjective experiencing of the music would naturally change, just as it does naturally as I grow older and 'see/feel' different aspects to the music.

No, it would not alter my view of the GENIUS value of Prince's music during 1980-1988 if, in the highly unlikely circumstance, that he was found to be not entirely and exclusively heterosexual. The reality, though, is that Prince is NOT a gay black man.

Nonetheless, good question, artist76.

love,

Spirit

petes2 said:

Prince has always been so far outside of the norm in so many ways I don't think it would matter much if he came out. His general freakishness has been accepted for so long in ways that were not tolerated for anyone else. People constantly hounded George Michael, Michael Jackson and a bunch of other people but Prince never seemed to attract that level of scrutiny for some mysterious reason. Maybe it's because he was so outwardly, overtly feminine with the heels and the makeup that to find out he was gay couldn't have been any more shocking than his transvestism for the general public. As for me, I don't see how it would change a thing or why it should. You know Wagner was antisemitic, but some of his music is still too good to not like. As for how it would change how we look at his songs, well, maybe. It's pretty well known that Neil Diamond is gay and I can't listen to "girl you'll be a woman soon" without thinking of some freaky pedophilic shit, or "Sherry, Sherry" without thinking it was originally inspired by a "harry harry". But a good song is a good song and interpretations are own.

petes2,

Thank you - yours was a good post and it made me giggle.

love,

Spirit

petes2 said:

and lets not forget how black men had to emasculate themselves in earlier eras just to get over. when I say emasculate, that means any form of masking of their blackness, lightning, straightening hair, being a goof, or any other compromise to their manhood. Black men have always had to do that in America in order to be accepted. Prince is very shrewd and cunning, never seemed comfortable around gay people. For all we know it was strictly a gimmick, one that he played very, very well.

petes2,

You make another excellent point here regarding the emasculation of black men. However, I am not sure I follow your point about his comfort around gay people. Can you expand on the point?

love,

Spirit

SpiritOtter said:

petes2 said:

and lets not forget how black men had to emasculate themselves in earlier eras just to get over. when I say emasculate, that means any form of masking of their blackness, lightning, straightening hair, being a goof, or any other compromise to their manhood. Black men have always had to do that in America in order to be accepted. Prince is very shrewd and cunning, never seemed comfortable around gay people. For all we know it was strictly a gimmick, one that he played very, very well.

petes2,

You make another excellent point here regarding the emasculation of black men. However, I am not sure I follow your point about his comfort around gay people. Can you expand on the point?

love,

Spirit

well, it's pretty well known that he used to tell wendy and Lisa they'd rot in hell for their lifestyles. Also, I've read of when he met madonna that her dancers made him uncomfortable. How true that is who knows but I find it believable. It's the business though, you hear all kinds of stuff. I remember in Rick James' book, he said that Eddie Murphy was pissed off by Prince when he took his finger stuck it in his drink and sucked his finger while staring at Eddie. Then, eddie turns out to be a likely closet case in the end.

UPTOWN

She saw me walking down the streets
Of your fine city
It kinda turned me on when she looked at me
And said, "C'mere"
Now I don't usually talk to strangers
But she looked so pretty
What can I lose,
If I, uh, just give her a little ear?
"What's up little girl?"
"I ain't got time to play."
Baby didn't say too much
She said, "Are you gay?"
Kinda took me by suprise
I didn't know what to do
I just looked her in her eyes
And I said, "No, are u?"
Said to myself, said
"She's just a crazy, crazy, crazy
Little mixed up dame.
She's just a victim of society
And all it's games."
Now where I come from
We don't let society
Tell us how it's supposed to be
Our clothes, our hair
We don't care
It's all about being there
Everybody's going Uptown
That's where I wanna be
Uptown
Set your mind free
Uptown
Got my body hot
Get down
I don't wanna stop, no
As soon as we got there
Good times were rolling
White, Black, Puerto Rican
Everybody just a-freakin'
Good times were rolling

She started dancing in the streets
Ow, girl, she's just gone mad
U know, she even made love to me
Ooh, best night I ever had
Ah yeah
I never talk to strangers
But this time it's all right
See, she got me hot, ah
I couldn't stop, ah
Good times were rolling all night All night, yeah
Now where I come from
We don't give a damn
We do whatever we please
It ain't about no downtown
Nowhere bound
Narrow-minded drag
It's all about being free
Everybody's going Uptown
It's where I wanna be
Uptown
U can set your mind free, yeah
Uptown
Keep your body hot
Get down
I don't wanna stop, no
Uptown
Ooh, ooh, yeah
Uptown
Everybody's going, everybody's going
Everybody gotta gotta
Uptown
Now go-go-go, go-go-go
They're going
Uptown

Uptown
Yeah, yeah, now, all now
Uptown
Gotta go-go-go
Uptown
Yeah, gotta go, gotta go
Uptown
C'mon, c'mon, you
U have to, you gotta go
Uptown
oh yeah
YEAH!

[Edited 3/22/12 17:59pm]

SpiritOtter said:

EyeJester7 said:

I really appreciate these posts you leave here.

You always encourage others to express their honest opinions. I respect that so much! I look forward to your posts!

I could go down and agree with pretty much all of the posts here, but that would take too much time. Haha. You all have interesting points!

I don't believe PRINCE IS A GAY BLACK MAN, for pretty much the same reasons many others have outlined here. It's obvious he is a straight man, who is just very in touch with his femininity. Which is acceptable!

I think at one time he was against it blatantly because he JUST joined 'Jehovah's Witness's' and he probably thought it was his duty to come out and denounce it? Than again, he went on Ellen around that same time? He's a walking contradiction..lol. I think he understands now that regardless of your orientation you are a person. Being gay should not mean being treated less than a human being. It's not fair, and highly discriminating. As he says, we are all in this together. I think Prince seems to struggle with Monotheism and universalism. Even when he was a Jehovah's Witness he still came out with 'One Song'. Which describes we are one with the universe, etc.

EVEN before he became a JW, he never seemed to speak out against homosexuals or lesbians. He just isn't one.

For the most part, it seems that over the years, he seems to have respect for everyone regardless. Prince dresses the way he does, because he feels clothes should not matter. He has written so many songs about how it does not matter win what you have on. Songs like: Calhoun Square, Uptown, & Controversy are a few examples. I do agree, and see where he comes from. AVERAGE watchers though think its 'Gay' to do what Prince does. It's shocking and questionable, and I think Prince wonders why is it like that?

Outside of his clothing/make up choices, I can't think of much that would cause Prince to be considered gay. He has not demonstrated like/affection for the same sex.

It's obvious he greatly respects women, for what they are, and he loves them. At one point he seemed to want to be a woman. "If I come back as a woman, I want a body like yours" Hahaha.. JK. THEN there was that time in the 90's when he kind of made it seem as if he was a girl? Haha

I think he does all of those antics to hide his personal life. It's a smart device for people to not pay attention to his personal life. Clothes, masks, and mystery are perfect coverings for what is behind.

It's the same way Lady Gaga does it, even though she is one provocative girl on stage and interviews, she holds to many 'Catholic traditions' and is normal like everyone else in a way. She does not want people knowing about her personal life, and I think it should be like that. Why do we need to know anyways? ALSO does this knowledge effect how you view them? It shouldn't. It does not to me.

Not to say that is the case in all respects, but certainly Prince uses androgyny, sexuality, and controversy to give people to question.

He loves the question, and the reason people think before they really know about him.

I think it's pretty clever.

Hilarious at times too! lol

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EyeJester7,

I felt you made some excellent points here regarding how Prince loves to get us to question, but especially with regards to your hypothesis that he may have used all these antics to actually mask the real person behind the persona of his musical genius. If you are still on this thread, can you expand more on this latter point?

love,

Spirit

Thank you! I appreciate VERY much your points!

I think he very well uses the antics to hide what is going on in his personal life. I look at like this: When people think of Prince, they normally think about some of these things: High Heels, Make Up, Feminine/Androgynous attire, High pitched voice, Black Or white, Straight Or Gay..Etc.

They don't really think about who he's dating, why he doesn't have children, and why isn't he in the public eye as much. He has done a good job of not making mention of his personal life. It seems to be all about the music, and it really should be. (I think). He makes a distinct about what is public and private..Not when it comes to his messages though. I think if you REALLY want to know about Prince listen to his music. He reveals a lot. As he said "This for you, with you I share..with love and sincerity" I think he forgets how much he shares. Like in 2009, when he thought he revealed for the first time he was epileptic to Tavis Smiley. He said, he never told anyone that. But in fact he did. Back in 'Sacrifice Of Victor' " I was born on a blood stain table, Cord wrapped around my neck, epileptic till the age of seven,I was sure heaven marked the deck." Granted people probably thought it was just lyrics..come to find out that was true. Haha

I digress...lol

I sometimes think, he makes controversial remarks apart of his attire, to mask away his personal views.

Even when he began, he seemingly was extremely 'Horny and sexual'. While he was like that on stage, Cat and Shelia.E confirmed he was quite the charmer and not as LOUD as he appeared to be.

Many of these questions about Prince, are focused on the outward manifestation of his Attire. He dresses different, and sometimes he dresses as a woman normally would dress. Granted he doesn't put on skirts, and dresses. But he certainly is flamboyant and uses eye shadow/eye liner/makeup as a woman would.

Then again..He is always dressed up. Just not like a typical man would would. Haha

I believe Prince masked his real persona a long time ago when he came on the scene. He started out wearing what was 'Scandalous' for an artist of his nature to be doing. But he expressed constant love for women. SO it's clear to me, it's a mask so that he wouldn't be so

vainandy said:

nursev said:

Btw I doubt it cuz some queen woulda told that shit years ago

Prince is a queen himself and queens don't go after queens. That would be dyking. Prince probably goes after the butch rough trade and they would never tell it.

Right, I don't see Prince going ki ki.

Oh, and I'll just leave this here...

NouveauDance said:

vainandy said:

Prince is a queen himself and queens don't go after queens. That would be dyking. Prince probably goes after the butch rough trade and they would never tell it.

Right, I don't see Prince going ki ki.

Oh, and I'll just leave this here...

That's exactly the type of men that someone like Prince would go after. Men like that would never tell it. And only Lord knows why they were included in the group in the first place unless they were giving up the dick.

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NouveauDance said:

Oh, and I'll just leave this here...

Prince was very homoerotic. But not gay. know a backup dancer that use 2 work 4 him & he took very good care of her & dressed her & took care of her "EVERY" need....