SpiritOtter said:

I like your style, WaterInYourBath.

But can I ask you to keep it polite? We all make awful errors on the .Org. It's an occupational hazard. At least, juliejuliejulie is bringing something to the table, even if it might be considered questionable.

love,

Spirit

Of course, and that's all I'd like discussions to be as well, yet there's always someone who detracts from that. But I don't want your thread to get closed, and I respect they way you're handling it, so I'll comply.

SpiritOtter said:

Dear Prince.org,

It is patently clear that Prince is NOT a gay black man.

However, is it possible that he has ever engaged intimately with another man in his life? Would it change how you would view his music?

Personally speaking, I don't believe he has ever screwed his fellow man. Truthfully, it would almost definitely and irrevocably alter my view of the music and I am not convinced it would be a good thing at this stage for his public persona, or his fanbase, if it was revealed he wasn't exclusively a lover of women.

It is interesting that the thought of homosexuality still appears to repulse him, even though the JW system of beliefs has less of a stranglehold on his music.

love,

Spirit

i agree completly

yes it would completly change my view

SpiritOtter said:

berniejobs,

With all due respect, you may want to hold your tongue regarding how you refer to women.

You're, surprisingly, just not that funny.

love,

Spirit

Spirit,

That all depends on who you ask.

Besides, I wasn't trying to be funny. I used a little asterik in the "c" word out of respect.

And it is true... attractive women in the work place cause boners in the work place. That's not sexist, it's just the way it is. Of course, if the subject is a gay man, then MEN cause the boner. So, it's equal opportunity boner-getting in the workplace.

Not trying to be funny. Nothing is funny about getting a boner at work and then not be able to stand up. Women don't usually understand this dilemma.

Everything I've said(non-opinion wise) is a matter of historic/scientific record. But, I understand many people have difficulty with the truth as it challenges peoples often limited world views and requires critical thinking. How fascinating that some people can "know" what a celebrity would or would not agree with especially when they have never met and dont know the person.LOL. Proof once again about my statement earlier on projection and celebrity obsession.

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Some people are so f*cking ignorant and stupid. Don't claim intelligence when you can't even differentiate the artist from the art because you wouldn't be able to accept or 'see' the art in the same way because of sexuality.

So stupid and ignorant I'm amazed.

SpiritOtter said:

Dear Prince.org,

It is patently clear that Prince is NOT a gay black man.

However, is it possible that he has ever engaged intimately with another man in his life? Would it change how you would view his music?

Personally speaking, I don't believe he has ever screwed his fellow man. Truthfully, it would almost definitely and irrevocably alter my view of the music and I am not convinced it would be a good thing at this stage for his public persona, or his fanbase, if it was revealed he wasn't exclusively a lover of women.

It is interesting that the thought of homosexuality still appears to repulse him, even though the JW system of beliefs has less of a stranglehold on his music.

love,

Spirit

Surely - you know what you are doing. You invite "discussion" on whether or not a persons opinion would change about a musician if he turned out to be gay.

There are only 2 ways to answer your question: No my view doesn't change or Yes it does. If a person says that "yes" a musician's sexual preference impacts how the music is perceived, surely you aren't surprised that it will ilicit outraged and emotional responses, as well it should.

So try as you might to encourage people to be polite... you asked for the opposite by posing such an irrelavent, assine question that encourages people to justify their prejudices so that you will feel justified by yours. And you can say it as polite as you like, but it is disgusting.

This is the reason that I don't visit the Politics/Religion forum. In fact, why isn't this thread moved over there? It should be. Including Prince in the title isn't even relavent. The OP wants to know who will stop respecting the professional output of another person if that person was gay.

Disgusting.

He's a dirty bastard (or at least was) so I reckon he may have had a dabble at some point. Maybe just a one-off experiment like so many people do. Either way he probably has the odd naughty fantasy. Again like most people do.

Would it change my opinion of him if he came out as swinging both ways? Possibly probably. I like to think of his songs as being heterosexual. They've always come across that way.

clubon36 said:

SpiritOtter said:

Dear Prince.org,

It is patently clear that Prince is NOT a gay black man.

However, is it possible that he has ever engaged intimately with another man in his life? Would it change how you would view his music?

Personally speaking, I don't believe he has ever screwed his fellow man. Truthfully, it would almost definitely and irrevocably alter my view of the music and I am not convinced it would be a good thing at this stage for his public persona, or his fanbase, if it was revealed he wasn't exclusively a lover of women.

It is interesting that the thought of homosexuality still appears to repulse him, even though the JW system of beliefs has less of a stranglehold on his music.

love,

Spirit

Surely - you know what you are doing. You invite "discussion" on whether or not a persons opinion would change about a musician if he turned out to be gay.

There are only 2 ways to answer your question: No my view doesn't change or Yes it does. If a person says that "yes" a musician's sexual preference impacts how the music is perceived, surely you aren't surprised that it will ilicit outraged and emotional responses, as well it should.

So try as you might to encourage people to be polite... you asked for the opposite by posing such an irrelavent, assine question that encourages people to justify their prejudices so that you will feel justified by yours. And you can say it as polite as you like, but it is disgusting.

This is the reason that I don't visit the Politics/Religion forum. In fact, why isn't this thread moved over there? It should be. Including Prince in the title isn't even relavent. The OP wants to know who will stop respecting the professional output of another person if that person was gay.

Disgusting.

Agree 100%. If we changed the sentence to read " if you found out the person was black" most people would understand how bigoted it is.

juliejuliejulie said:

Agree 100%. If we changed the sentence to read " if you found out the person was black" most people would understand how bigoted it is.

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Are you Black?

Yes, it was. She was getting her digs in, post divorce. Prince is not gay.

nursev said:

NiceNBreezy said:

I seem to recall one of Prince's ex-wives having said, or at least strongly hinted, that Prince was an out and out homophobe. Doesn't exactly point to his being gay, does it?

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I think I remember that I think it was Mani

juliejuliejulie said:

Great points. Especially when one reads many of the homophobic comments on here. And it is beyond me why someone should have to label themselves regarding who they love and put their feelings in a box and the same thing goes for race. There wasnt even a concept of race until the 1700's when the British began using it to justify the slave trade. Same with gender in most ancient societies it was not the same divisional concept like it is now. There are plenty of celebrities/people that go on the down low (eddie murphy, etc) for just this reason. Just because someone is married and has children means nothing. Same sex experiences are far more common than most people realize as Kinsey documented in his studies years ago. All species engage in same sex activity so it is mystifying that people are so hung up and repressed on the issue. But then like the ignorant on here who can unequivocally say someone is or isnt gay (as if they personally know the person and spend every waking minute with them) it speaks to the delusional life many people lead regarding celebrities and how they project their issues and fantasy onto them. Who ever someone chooses to be with the emphasis should be on love and not something defined by society like gender or race.

There.

The thread is done.

Nicely stated.

Neat 'n' Clean.

Prost!

From a young age, I was fascinated by Prince's comfort in his own skin. It's RARE that you see a man so in touch with his feminine side. I always admired that he was somewhat androgynous, racially ambiguous, and sexually ambiguous.

Our sexuality is only part of us, it doesn't define who we are. We all deserve respect and I love Prince for his musical talents, not who he's involved with romantically or sexually.

kishi said:

From a young age, I was fascinated by Prince's comfort in his own skin. It's RARE that you see a man so in touch with his feminine side. I always admired that he was somewhat androgynous, racially ambiguous, and sexually ambiguous.

Our sexuality is only part of us, it doesn't define who we are. We all deserve respect and I love Prince for his musical talents, not who he's involved with romantically or sexually.

NiceNBreezy said:

I seem to recall one of Prince's ex-wives having said, or at least strongly hinted, that Prince was an out and out homophobe. Doesn't exactly point to his being gay, does it?

Many homophobes are gay

80spfantwp said:

SpiritOtter said:

Dear Prince.org,

It is patently clear that Prince is NOT a gay black man.

However, is it possible that he has ever engaged intimately with another man in his life? Would it change how you would view his music?

Personally speaking, I don't believe he has ever screwed his fellow man. Truthfully, it would almost definitely and irrevocably alter my view of the music and I am not convinced it would be a good thing at this stage for his public persona, or his fanbase, if it was revealed he wasn't exclusively a lover of women.

It is interesting that the thought of homosexuality still appears to repulse him, even though the JW system of beliefs has less of a stranglehold on his music.

love,

Spirit

As to "would it change how I view his music" - his or any artist's sexuality does not affect my enjoyment of good music. If it's good music, that's all that matters in terms of continuing to listen to it and appreciate it. But yes, I might "view" the lyrics differently, just like when I found out what "Karma Kameleon" was about, whenever I hear those lyrics now I have that whole biographical story behind it (Boy George in love with that other band member who was unsure about being gay), now the lyrics fit completely into that story, it makes sense. Just like any piece of information behind the inspiration for a certain art - whether it be a painting, poem, novel - it informs the understanding of that art. However, I am still able to separate the artist's meaning and purpose of his/her art from my own interpretation of that art. I can listen to "Karma Kameleon" as just a song about a crappy lover who keeps changing his mind, and I can sing along without feeling like "ugh, but I'm not a gay man." For example, maybe it turns out "When Doves Cry" is about his anger and confusion about his own gay feelings, and it would be interesting to know that and to view the song as he intended; but then I am not bound by his meaning of the song.

As to whether it'd be good for his public persona or fanbase - I agree, I'm also not convinced it'd be a good thing to "come out" at this stage. It might be good for him personally and good for many other reasons, but not good for his persona and fanbase. Mainly because his whole persona was/is "I'm an extremely private person, don't talk about my personal life, I'm straight but I'm not afraid of my feminine side, I wear heels & makeup for the ladies, I'm macho but I'm also over the top "gay"" - that whole image would be turned upside down.

But I have a question for YOU - it would alter your view of his music if he were gay, but would it negate all GENIUS value for you?

I don't think he was ever in love with a dude, but I sure reckon he would have had sex strictly for pleasure

"Have ever wanted to play with somebody you'd take boy or girl"

What if he's a gay bag of Skittles?

What if he's not a gay bag of Skittles?

Taste the rainbow

Prince has always been so far outside of the norm in so many ways I don't think it would matter much if he came out. His general freakishness has been accepted for so long in ways that were not tolerated for anyone else. People constantly hounded George Michael, Michael Jackson and a bunch of other people but Prince never seemed to attract that level of scrutiny for some mysterious reason. Maybe it's because he was so outwardly, overtly feminine with the heels and the makeup that to find out he was gay couldn't have been any more shocking than his transvestism for the general public. As for me, I don't see how it would change a thing or why it should. You know Wagner was antisemitic, but some of his music is still too good to not like. As for how it would change how we look at his songs, well, maybe. It's pretty well known that Neil Diamond is gay and I can't listen to "girl you'll be a woman soon" without thinking of some freaky pedophilic shit, or "Sherry, Sherry" without thinking it was originally inspired by a "harry harry". But a good song is a good song and interpretations are own.

This thread reminds me of a gay version of "I don't have a problem with black people. I have a black friend at work".

If people really wouldn't have a problem if Prince turned out to be gay, they wouldn't go out of their way to say that they think he's straight. Hell, they don't even say they think he's straight, they say they know he's straight, which they really don't know for sure because only he knows for sure. But then again, closet gay men never lie about their sexuality.

If you really wouldn't have a problem if he turned out to be gay, you wouldn't worry if others think he's gay.

nursev said:

Btw I doubt it cuz some queen woulda told that shit years ago

Prince is a queen himself and queens don't go after queens. That would be dyking. Prince probably goes after the butch rough trade and they would never tell it.

nursev said:

AsherFierce said:

He is. The way Morris and Prince were looking at each other in Purple Rain. I knew then. Andre Cymone was pissed as hell.

Ol' dude need to find his way out of the closet and out of Andy's afro. He gay.

Just thinking of the visual of Prince n Andre or Morris-No Way in hell with Morris ass Maybe Andre's fine ass But HELL NAW PRINCE AIN'T GAY

If he didn't sleep with Andre that doesn't mean he's straight. That just means his ass is crazy as hell and needs to be locked in a rubber room.

scatwoman said:

NiceNBreezy said:

I seem to recall one of Prince's ex-wives having said, or at least strongly hinted, that Prince was an out and out homophobe. Doesn't exactly point to his being gay, does it?

Many homophobes are gay

Hell, most of them are. 100% straight men don't have a problem with gay men because they don't have any hidden skeletons and have nothing to prove.

Bruce recently released an album which champions the common man, some people are vitriolic in their criticisms of him as a man. That he plays his fans for fools, that he's super rich, that he lives in rich neighborhoods. Ultimately, that he's a charlatan. Maybe he is, I wouldn't like it if it turned out that way but the fucker still puts out some of my favorite music and at the end of the day, that's all that counts for me personally. I'm really surprised that people think being gay is any kind of a big deal these days. It's actually so boring that I don't even want to hear about it.

juliejuliejulie said:

Everything I've said(non-opinion wise) is a matter of historic/scientific record. But, I understand many people have difficulty with the truth as it challenges peoples often limited world views and requires critical thinking. How fascinating that some people can "know" what a celebrity would or would not agree with especially when they have never met and dont know the person.LOL. Proof once again about my statement earlier on projection and celebrity obsession.

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i agree with your general message but that bit where you proclaim race and gender have not historically been divisive factors is WAAAYYYYYY off base. not even close to being true.

juliejuliejulie said:

Great points. Especially when one reads many of the homophobic comments on here. And it is beyond me why someone should have to label themselves regarding who they love and put their feelings in a box and the same thing goes for race. There wasnt even a concept of race until the 1700's when the British began using it to justify the slave trade. Same with gender in most ancient societies it was not the same divisional concept like it is now. There are plenty of celebrities/people that go on the down low (eddie murphy, etc) for just this reason. Just because someone is married and has children means nothing. Same sex experiences are far more common than most people realize as Kinsey documented in his studies years ago. All species engage in same sex activity so it is mystifying that people are so hung up and repressed on the issue. But then like the ignorant on here who can unequivocally say someone is or isnt gay (as if they personally know the person and spend every waking minute with them) it speaks to the delusional life many people lead regarding celebrities and how they project their issues and fantasy onto them. Who ever someone chooses to be with the emphasis should be on love and not something defined by society like gender or race.

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Are you talking in the last couple of hundred years? Like I said it is a historical fact that the concept of race (not tribe or region) but melanin content (ie color) hence the concept of race was introduced specifically by the British in legal arguments to justify the slave trade. In regards to sex again are we talking the last couple hundred years in white European society (post Pagan) or traditionally? If we arent talking recent history I will say again it is well documented and you can still see it in some traditional cultures(American Indian, Tahitian, Maori). So no I dont consider it WAAAYYYYYY off.lol

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wow, amazing:

this thread is still alive...?

waste of time. nevermind

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