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Reply #90 posted 03/19/12 3:45pm

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KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Spinlight said:

I didn't say it sounded white in the context of a country song or a punk rock song. I said it was a pop song, which it is. I could not care less about its RNB performance cuz I'm not denying his success. Read into it however you want.

And I'm not sure why you find it hard to believe I can write a "report". The OP asked me what I was talking about so I explained it. What is hard to understand about that?

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Dude, not everyone writes with a plethora of giggle emoticons and the word 'masterpiece' to express their thoughts.

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Reply #91 posted 03/19/12 3:54pm

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KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Spinlight said:

I didn't say it sounded white in the context of a country song or a punk rock song. I said it was a pop song, which it is. I could not care less about its RNB performance cuz I'm not denying his success. Read into it however you want.

And I'm not sure why you find it hard to believe I can write a "report". The OP asked me what I was talking about so I explained it. What is hard to understand about that?

[Edited 3/19/12 15:30pm]

rolleyes

rolleyes

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Reply #92 posted 03/19/12 3:55pm

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KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Spinlight said:

I didn't say it sounded white in the context of a country song or a punk rock song. I said it was a pop song, which it is. I could not care less about its RNB performance cuz I'm not denying his success. Read into it however you want.

And I'm not sure why you find it hard to believe I can write a "report". The OP asked me what I was talking about so I explained it. What is hard to understand about that?

[Edited 3/19/12 15:30pm]

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Reply #93 posted 03/19/12 3:57pm

AsherFierce

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AsherFierce said:

He gay, and there aint nothing wrong with it. Ol' dude needs to come out and tell us how he be getting intimate with Morris for 30 years and shit.. grouphug

I thought y'all knew. shrug

Ol dude falloff I'm sorry, but this is hilarious falloff HE IS NOT GAY hmph!

He is. nod The way Morris and Prince were looking at each other in Purple Rain. I knew then. Andre Cymone was pissed as hell. mad

Ol' dude need to find his way out of the closet and out of Andy's afro. He gay. hmph!

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Reply #94 posted 03/19/12 3:57pm

nursev

^ @ smoothcriminal falloff now u just org stalking

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Reply #95 posted 03/19/12 3:59pm

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nursev said:

^ @ smoothcriminal falloff now u just org stalking

You can't beat him, join him. lol

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Reply #96 posted 03/19/12 4:05pm

nursev

AsherFierce said:

nursev said:

Ol dude falloff I'm sorry, but this is hilarious falloff HE IS NOT GAY hmph!

He is. nod The way Morris and Prince were looking at each other in Purple Rain. I knew then. Andre Cymone was pissed as hell. mad

Ol' dude need to find his way out of the closet and out of Andy's afro. He gay. hmph!

Just thinking of the visual of Prince n Andre or Morris-No Way in hell with Morris ass Maybe Andre's fine ass lol But HELL NAW PRINCE AIN'T GAY hmph!

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Reply #97 posted 03/19/12 4:06pm

nursev

smoothcriminal12 said:

nursev said:

^ @ smoothcriminal falloff now u just org stalking

You can't beat him, join him. lol

guess so lol

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Reply #98 posted 03/19/12 4:23pm

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I seem to recall one of Prince's ex-wives having said, or at least strongly hinted, that Prince was an out and out homophobe. Doesn't exactly point to his being gay, does it?

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When you don't have a case, yell RACE!
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Reply #99 posted 03/19/12 4:28pm

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i would flip if i found out prince was gay, not because of any latent homophobia (i have nothing against houses), but because it would turn an album like dirty mind and the image that accompanied into a lie. wasn't he asked in uptown, "are u gay?"? his answer was pretty succint and unambiguous, "no, are u?"

the bikini briefs, stockings and flasher mac was a way to screw with convention and it's rigid view of masculinity and sexuality.

in his younger days i think prince was so enamoured with himself that he quite liked the idea of being fancied by the boys too but i would think his attitude towards homosexuality today must be unquestionably affected by the religion he studies.

don't play me...i'm over 30 and i DO smoke weed....
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Reply #100 posted 03/19/12 4:32pm

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NiceNBreezy said:

I seem to recall one of Prince's ex-wives having said, or at least strongly hinted, that Prince was an out and out homophobe. Doesn't exactly point to his being gay, does it?

[Edited 3/19/12 16:24pm]

eek I think I remember that eek I think it was Mani lol

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Reply #101 posted 03/19/12 4:37pm

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SpiritOtter said:

Dear Prince.org,

It is patently clear that Prince is NOT a gay black man.

However, is it possible that he has ever engaged intimately with another man in his life? Would it change how you would view his music?

Personally speaking, I don't believe he has ever screwed his fellow man. Truthfully, it would almost definitely and irrevocably alter my view of the music and I am not convinced it would be a good thing at this stage for his public persona, or his fanbase, if it was revealed he wasn't exclusively a lover of women.

It is interesting that the thought of homosexuality still appears to repulse him, even though the JW system of beliefs has less of a stranglehold on his music.

love,

Spirit

it seems clear to me that prince is also not a hot air balloon enthusiast.

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Reply #102 posted 03/19/12 4:38pm

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XxAxX said:

SpiritOtter said:

Dear Prince.org,

It is patently clear that Prince is NOT a gay black man.

However, is it possible that he has ever engaged intimately with another man in his life? Would it change how you would view his music?

Personally speaking, I don't believe he has ever screwed his fellow man. Truthfully, it would almost definitely and irrevocably alter my view of the music and I am not convinced it would be a good thing at this stage for his public persona, or his fanbase, if it was revealed he wasn't exclusively a lover of women.

It is interesting that the thought of homosexuality still appears to repulse him, even though the JW system of beliefs has less of a stranglehold on his music.

love,

Spirit

it seems clear to me that prince is also not a hot air balloon enthusiast.

Oh god I hope not!!!!! pray

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Reply #103 posted 03/19/12 4:40pm

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NDRU said:

XxAxX said:

it seems clear to me that prince is also not a hot air balloon enthusiast.

Oh god I hope not!!!!! pray

i just don't think he has a bit of interest in owning and captaining his own dirigible. he's never shown any inclination that way

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Reply #104 posted 03/19/12 4:42pm

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XxAxX said:

NDRU said:

Oh god I hope not!!!!! pray

i just don't think he has a bit of interest in owning and captaining his own dirigible. he's never shown any inclination that way

He knows 200 balloons are just as good HEYOOOO!!!!!

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Reply #105 posted 03/19/12 4:46pm

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NDRU said:

XxAxX said:

i just don't think he has a bit of interest in owning and captaining his own dirigible. he's never shown any inclination that way

He knows 200 balloons are just as good HEYOOOO!!!!!

prince is NOT a gay black man who owns 200 ballons! i cannot let you say that about him!!!!!

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Reply #106 posted 03/19/12 4:51pm

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SpiritOtter said:

80spfantwp said:

That's a shame that a person's sexuality is able to change your appreciation of their artistry

oh well

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80spfantwp,

Of course, it would. Just like if I found out that Prince was not black, but actually a white man. It would almost definitely and irrevocably alter my view of the music.

Family Name, sung by a white man?

Hello NO.

love,

Spirit

Prince as a "black man" was very much a later in life thing, sorta

Prince always had a mutt aura about him, so he could sing from both sides

Yes Family Name sung by a white man is seriously easy, it's not that deep.

That idea is way 2 racially defined. It's almost like saying all black people think very socially aware and conscious and all white people are priviliged and shallow

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Reply #107 posted 03/19/12 4:59pm

Eyasha

I have a lot of gay friends and it is possible to be a homophobic homosexual. It is also possible to love women and be homosexual. Should it matter whether or not Prince is gay, bisexual, whatever? Sadly it does if your career is based on appealing to a main stream audience - would Rock Hudson have been a success if he had come out early in his career? Whatever the truth about Prince he is wise to maintain his mystique.

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Reply #108 posted 03/19/12 9:26pm

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Elton John is Gay.WTF.

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Reply #109 posted 03/19/12 10:05pm

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SpiritOtter said:

Dear Prince.org,

It is patently clear that Prince is NOT a gay black man.

However, is it possible that he has ever engaged intimately with another man in his life? Would it change how you would view his music?

Personally speaking, I don't believe he has ever screwed his fellow man. Truthfully, it would almost definitely and irrevocably alter my view of the music and I am not convinced it would be a good thing at this stage for his public persona, or his fanbase, if it was revealed he wasn't exclusively a lover of women.

It is interesting that the thought of homosexuality still appears to repulse him, even though the JW system of beliefs has less of a stranglehold on his music.

love,

Spirit

Prince is heterosexual. nod However, I don't believe he is as extroverted and confident with women as he proclaims to be with his persona. I mean, considering he's never with any who aren't impressionable, weak, and docile. So that whole "suave seducer" image is a fallacy to me, but he's still not into men.

"You put water into a cup, it becomes the cup...Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend." - Bruce Lee
"Water can nourish me, but water can also carry me. Water has magic laws." - JCVD
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Reply #110 posted 03/19/12 10:13pm

SpiritOtter

Excellent point, WaterInYouBath.

love,
Spirit
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Reply #111 posted 03/19/12 11:24pm

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Great points. Especially when one reads many of the homophobic comments on here. And it is beyond me why someone should have to label themselves regarding who they love and put their feelings in a box and the same thing goes for race. There wasnt even a concept of race until the 1700's when the British began using it to justify the slave trade. Same with gender in most ancient societies it was not the same divisional concept like it is now. There are plenty of celebrities/people that go on the down low (eddie murphy, etc) for just this reason. Just because someone is married and has children means nothing. Same sex experiences are far more common than most people realize as Kinsey documented in his studies years ago. All species engage in same sex activity so it is mystifying that people are so hung up and repressed on the issue. But then like the ignorant on here who can unequivocally say someone is or isnt gay (as if they personally know the person and spend every waking minute with them) it speaks to the delusional life many people lead regarding celebrities and how they project their issues and fantasy onto them. Who ever someone chooses to be with the emphasis should be on love and not something defined by society like gender or race.

Eyasha said:

I have a lot of gay friends and it is possible to be a homophobic homosexual. It is also possible to love women and be homosexual. Should it matter whether or not Prince is gay, bisexual, whatever? Sadly it does if your career is based on appealing to a main stream audience - would Rock Hudson have been a success if he had come out early in his career? Whatever the truth about Prince he is wise to maintain his mystique.

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Reply #112 posted 03/19/12 11:29pm

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If Prince WAS gay and Morris Day WAS gay, which I don't think either of them are, I don't believe they'd be going at it with each other. I think they have a good friendship/business relationship and sexual thoughts between the two of them wouldn't come into play.

Now, if Prince was gay, he'd probably be messing around with some no-name guy from the around the neighborhood, or gayborhood.

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Reply #113 posted 03/19/12 11:32pm

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And having said that (above), I've worked with many women throughout the years that normally would be extremely attractive had they not been a coworker. When you work with someone on a regular basis she starts become like a sister and not a "hottie".

But of course, the first couple days you work together you walk around with a boner. After a while the boner goes away and you just think of her as a coworker. Then you get into a work argument and pretty soon you can't stand the c*nt.

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Reply #114 posted 03/19/12 11:37pm

SpiritOtter

berniejobs,

With all due respect, you may want to hold your tongue regarding how you refer to women.

You're, surprisingly, just not that funny.

love,

Spirit

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Reply #115 posted 03/19/12 11:39pm

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juliejuliejulie said:

Great points. Especially when one reads many of the homophobic comments on here. And it is beyond me why someone should have to label themselves regarding who they love and put their feelings in a box and the same thing goes for race. There wasnt even a concept of race until the 1700's when the British began using it to justify the slave trade. Same with gender in most ancient societies it was not the same divisional concept like it is now. There are plenty of celebrities/people that go on the down low (eddie murphy, etc) for just this reason. Just because someone is married and has children means nothing. Same sex experiences are far more common than most people realize as Kinsey documented in his studies years ago. All species engage in same sex activity so it is mystifying that people are so hung up and repressed on the issue. But then like the ignorant on here who can unequivocally say someone is or isnt gay (as if they personally know the person and spend every waking minute with them) it speaks to the delusional life many people lead regarding celebrities and how they project their issues and fantasy onto them. Who ever someone chooses to be with the emphasis should be on love and not something defined by society like gender or race.

Eyasha said:

I have a lot of gay friends and it is possible to be a homophobic homosexual. It is also possible to love women and be homosexual. Should it matter whether or not Prince is gay, bisexual, whatever? Sadly it does if your career is based on appealing to a main stream audience - would Rock Hudson have been a success if he had come out early in his career? Whatever the truth about Prince he is wise to maintain his mystique.

Finally, some serious gravitas. Thanks for weighing in, juliejuliejulie.

love,

Spirit

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Reply #116 posted 03/19/12 11:41pm

SpiritOtter

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I really appreciate these posts you leave here.smile

You always encourage others to express their honest opinions. I respect that so much! I look forward to your posts!

I could go down and agree with pretty much all of the posts here, but that would take too much time. Haha. You all have interesting points! smile

I don't believe PRINCE IS A GAY BLACK MAN, for pretty much the same reasons many others have outlined here. It's obvious he is a straight man, who is just very in touch with his femininity. Which is acceptable!

I think at one time he was against it blatantly because he JUST joined 'Jehovah's Witness's' and he probably thought it was his duty to come out and denounce it? Than again, he went on Ellen around that same time? He's a walking contradiction..lol. I think he understands now that regardless of your orientation you are a person. Being gay should not mean being treated less than a human being. It's not fair, and highly discriminating. As he says, we are all in this together. I think Prince seems to struggle with Monotheism and universalism. Even when he was a Jehovah's Witness he still came out with 'One Song'. Which describes we are one with the universe, etc.

EVEN before he became a JW, he never seemed to speak out against homosexuals or lesbians. He just isn't one.

For the most part, it seems that over the years, he seems to have respect for everyone regardless. Prince dresses the way he does, because he feels clothes should not matter. He has written so many songs about how it does not matter win what you have on. Songs like: Calhoun Square, Uptown, & Controversy are a few examples. I do agree, and see where he comes from. AVERAGE watchers though think its 'Gay' to do what Prince does. It's shocking and questionable, and I think Prince wonders why is it like that?

Outside of his clothing/make up choices, I can't think of much that would cause Prince to be considered gay. He has not demonstrated like/affection for the same sex.

It's obvious he greatly respects women, for what they are, and he loves them. At one point he seemed to want to be a woman. "If I come back as a woman, I want a body like yours" Hahaha.. JK. THEN there was that time in the 90's when he kind of made it seem as if he was a girl? Haha

I think he does all of those antics to hide his personal life. It's a smart device for people to not pay attention to his personal life. Clothes, masks, and mystery are perfect coverings for what is behind.

It's the same way Lady Gaga does it, even though she is one provocative girl on stage and interviews, she holds to many 'Catholic traditions' and is normal like everyone else in a way. She does not want people knowing about her personal life, and I think it should be like that. Why do we need to know anyways? ALSO does this knowledge effect how you view them? It shouldn't. It does not to me.

Not to say that is the case in all respects, but certainly Prince uses androgyny, sexuality, and controversy to give people to question.

He loves the question, and the reason people think before they really know about him.

I think it's pretty clever. wink

Hilarious at times too! lol

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[Edited 3/19/12 12:57pm]

EyeJester7,

Just a quick reminder to myself to respond to your post.

Thank you for your kindness.

love,

Spirit

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Reply #117 posted 03/19/12 11:46pm

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Spinlight said:

SpiritOtter said:

Spinlight,

I respect the intelligence you are bringing to this thread; I request, however, that you don't rise to the trolls. You've brought more than most already to this discussion; the cream always rises to the top. Thank you.

If you wish to expand on The NPG theory or the many stories told in the Minneapolis area, you allude to, I would welcome it.

love,

Spirit

Many people hold the theory that the NPG's purpose was to blacken and toughen his image. Prince has always had white people in the audience (recall the Dirty Mind videos where one really "into it" white blonde is in the front row shaking her... things), but when he changed his sound (more pop/rock) and image (most of the band is white with prominent female members), he gained "the rest" of the white audience and they drowned out his black following.

After "Raspberry Beret" and "Pop Life" (2 majorly white-sounding songs, pop/rock formula borrowing from "Let's Go Crazy" and "Take Me With U" thematically if not in sound) and the brief ATWIAD era, you see him injecting more color into his band with Miko, Sheila, and the bodyguards as well as Jerome, etc. It was by this time his black following had largely criticized his white-affectation.

With the NPG, he gradually made his band more "colorful" with Cat, Boni, and eventually Michael B, Sonny, et al. Along with this came his hip hop noodling (leading into full on hip hop tracks on Diamonds and Pearls and every album thereafter). It's interesting to note that even when Prince acquiesced to people wanting his "whiter" sound back, he incorporated rap songs anyway. Check The Gold Experience and Chaos & Disorder where "Now" and "I Rock Therefore I Am" sound way out of place.

Obviously now his band is just about 100% black and he incorporates almost nothing but R&B/Soul and hiphop in his music. His sales are down about a jillion percent since 1984 for what its worth (don't take this as a sign I care about his sales - I don't, just noting it for posterity).

I don't necessarily agree with a lot of the anecdotal/speculative stuff, but I do witness people holding said opinions so that's why I'm saying it. I don't want anyone misinterpreting my comments in a way that suggests I agree he is bitter towards white people.

There's a lot of lore in the MPLS area that Prince has engaged in gay sex. It's hard to explain. Others have lived in the MPLS area longer than I did and can explain it better. I once spent several hours in the NPG store in MPLS and an old dude told me about how back in the day before Prince became famous and was touring in a van with his band Champagne, he was caught in a van with a dude. Again, it's silly local folklore, but it's definitely talked about.

Sorry for the longwinded post.

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Spinlight,

Don't be sorry; that was an excellent starter for conversation. I would love to see if we can expand here regarding Prince's conscious and unconscious directing of colour into both his music and brand. You are introducing some intriguing and insightful critiques, a rarity in these days of the .Org, so thank you. Unfortunately, my work beckons elsewhere, but I shall return soon. Hopefully, if the thread is not locked by then, I shall respond here. But, alas, if the trolls force their hate, then I would like to be so humble as to begin a thread anew (or by all means, if you wish to, please do so) regarding Prince's racial direction. As many have pointed out, there is a reason why I mentioned Prince as being black. Unfortunately, thus far, you have been the only person who has demonstrated the breadth to look beyond the issue of his sexuality.

Hold onto your wit,

Spirit

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Reply #118 posted 03/19/12 11:47pm

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Great points. Especially when one reads many of the homophobic comments on here. And it is beyond me why someone should have to label themselves regarding who they love and put their feelings in a box and the same thing goes for race. There wasnt even a concept of race until the 1700's when the British began using it to justify the slave trade. Same with gender in most ancient societies it was not the same divisional concept like it is now. There are plenty of celebrities/people that go on the down low (eddie murphy, etc) for just this reason. Just because someone is married and has children means nothing. Same sex experiences are far more common than most people realize as Kinsey documented in his studies years ago. All species engage in same sex activity so it is mystifying that people are so hung up and repressed on the issue. But then like the ignorant on here who can unequivocally say someone is or isnt gay (as if they personally know the person and spend every waking minute with them) it speaks to the delusional life many people lead regarding celebrities and how they project their issues and fantasy onto them. Who ever someone chooses to be with the emphasis should be on love and not something defined by society like gender or race.

Eyasha said:

I have a lot of gay friends and it is possible to be a homophobic homosexual. It is also possible to love women and be homosexual. Should it matter whether or not Prince is gay, bisexual, whatever? Sadly it does if your career is based on appealing to a main stream audience - would Rock Hudson have been a success if he had come out early in his career? Whatever the truth about Prince he is wise to maintain his mystique.

How can you call anyone in here "ignorant" when you posted this fictitious nonsense?

And no one can ever make an objective comment about Prince's intentionally satrical image without you calling somebody "homophobic." And what's ironic is that he wouldn't even agree with what you're saying either. If anyone is "projecting issues" around here, it's you, repeatedly, among others.

"You put water into a cup, it becomes the cup...Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend." - Bruce Lee
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Reply #119 posted 03/19/12 11:51pm

SpiritOtter

I like your style, WaterInYourBath.

But can I ask you to keep it polite? We all make awful errors on the .Org. It's an occupational hazard. At least, juliejuliejulie is bringing something to the table, even if it might be considered questionable.

love,

Spirit

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