berniejobs said:

. In my opinionn, to be called gay would be a compliment. I'm not gay, but I would find it to be a compliment, not a put down.

If someone called me straight, that would be kind of insulting. Might as well call me an old timer. It's hip to be gay.

How old are you for fuck's sake? What's got one's sexuality anythign to do with being hip or not. U need a reality check!

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Oh dear! Now not only do we have less-than-veiled homophobia in this thread we now have people attempting to reinforce stereotypical imagery of what some think constitutes 'gay'

I really appreciate these posts you leave here.

You always encourage others to express their honest opinions. I respect that so much! I look forward to your posts!

I could go down and agree with pretty much all of the posts here, but that would take too much time. Haha. You all have interesting points!

I don't believe PRINCE IS A GAY BLACK MAN, for pretty much the same reasons many others have outlined here. It's obvious he is a straight man, who is just very in touch with his femininity. Which is acceptable!

I think at one time he was against it blatantly because he JUST joined 'Jehovah's Witness's' and he probably thought it was his duty to come out and denounce it? Than again, he went on Ellen around that same time? He's a walking contradiction..lol. I think he understands now that regardless of your orientation you are a person. Being gay should not mean being treated less than a human being. It's not fair, and highly discriminating. As he says, we are all in this together. I think Prince seems to struggle with Monotheism and universalism. Even when he was a Jehovah's Witness he still came out with 'One Song'. Which describes we are one with the universe, etc.

EVEN before he became a JW, he never seemed to speak out against homosexuals or lesbians. He just isn't one.

For the most part, it seems that over the years, he seems to have respect for everyone regardless. Prince dresses the way he does, because he feels clothes should not matter. He has written so many songs about how it does not matter win what you have on. Songs like: Calhoun Square, Uptown, & Controversy are a few examples. I do agree, and see where he comes from. AVERAGE watchers though think its 'Gay' to do what Prince does. It's shocking and questionable, and I think Prince wonders why is it like that?

Outside of his clothing/make up choices, I can't think of much that would cause Prince to be considered gay. He has not demonstrated like/affection for the same sex.

It's obvious he greatly respects women, for what they are, and he loves them. At one point he seemed to want to be a woman. "If I come back as a woman, I want a body like yours" Hahaha.. JK. THEN there was that time in the 90's when he kind of made it seem as if he was a girl? Haha

I think he does all of those antics to hide his personal life. It's a smart device for people to not pay attention to his personal life. Clothes, masks, and mystery are perfect coverings for what is behind.

It's the same way Lady Gaga does it, even though she is one provocative girl on stage and interviews, she holds to many 'Catholic traditions' and is normal like everyone else in a way. She does not want people knowing about her personal life, and I think it should be like that. Why do we need to know anyways? ALSO does this knowledge effect how you view them? It shouldn't. It does not to me.

Not to say that is the case in all respects, but certainly Prince uses androgyny, sexuality, and controversy to give people to question.

He loves the question, and the reason people think before they really know about him.

I think it's pretty clever.

Hilarious at times too! lol

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OzlemUcucu said:

berniejobs said:

. In my opinionn, to be called gay would be a compliment. I'm not gay, but I would find it to be a compliment, not a put down.

If someone called me straight, that would be kind of insulting. Might as well call me an old timer. It's hip to be gay.

How old are you for fuck's sake? What's got one's sexuality anythign to do with being hip or not. U need a reality check!

Looks like you just proved my point. You didn't notice the sarcasm.

Just as sexuality should have nothing to do with being hip, it should also have nothing to do with being insulted.

To call someone gay as a put-down is just as silly as calling someone gay as a put-up(?)... But the bigot straighties of the world can't see it that way.

By the way, the topic of this thread is:

Prince is NOT a gay black man.

How quick is everyone to jump on the "gay" adjective as opposed to the "black" adjective. I suppose it's more controversial to be gay than black.

Immediately y'all are responding with posts about gayness.

But the topic also says black.

It's a study in sociology (or psychology) as to why the topic of GAY is outnumbering in posts than of BLACK.

Perhaps it's the word order? If the topic was "Prince is NOT a black gay man", would the majority of the posts be concerned with whether he was black or not? I'm not sure.

In any case, why aren't y'all saying "He is black." or "He isn't black." ? Instead of just the gay stuff...

Jeez...

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berniejobs said:

OzlemUcucu said:

How old are you for fuck's sake? What's got one's sexuality anythign to do with being hip or not. U need a reality check!

Looks like you just proved my point. You didn't notice the sarcasm.

Just as sexuality should have nothing to do with being hip, it should also have nothing to do with being insulted.

To call someone gay as a put-down is just as silly as calling someone gay as a put-up(?)... But the bigot straighties of the world can't see it that way.

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berniejobs said:

OzlemUcucu said:

How old are you for fuck's sake? What's got one's sexuality anythign to do with being hip or not. U need a reality check!

Looks like you just proved my point. You didn't notice the sarcasm.

Just as sexuality should have nothing to do with being hip, it should also have nothing to do with being insulted.

To call someone gay as a put-down is just as silly as calling someone gay as a put-up(?)... But the bigot straighties of the world can't see it that way.

Bla bla bla. I can tolerate gays but it doesn't mean they don't put me off, in the same way a gay man can tolerate me being a hetero but is put off by my sexual preferences.

Does this mean gays disriminiate or insult me as a hetero man? If not, why are u saying my comments are insulting to you. Get a grip please!

@ Berniejobs:

Is there any ambiguity regarding Prince's ethnicity? It's well documented that he is of African American parentage.

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80spfantwp said:

^ Is there any ambiguity regarding Prince's ethnicity? It's well documented that he is of African American parentage.

In the 80s, he denied his racial heritage. He stated, much like in Purple Rain, that his mother was Italian and his father was black. Not that his mother was black/italian (blatalian, if u will), but that she was simply italian.

Definitely not.

He's a black gay man.

Appreciate the response Spin.

Can someone give me reasons as to why he could be gay, and also why he isnt?

Ridiculos thing to say though, who cares if the man is gay, bi or straight. The music is what matters I would presume.

Spinlight said:

80spfantwp said:

^ Is there any ambiguity regarding Prince's ethnicity? It's well documented that he is of African American parentage.

In the 80s, he denied his racial heritage. He stated, much like in Purple Rain, that his mother was Italian and his father was black. Not that his mother was black/italian (blatalian, if u will), but that she was simply italian.

That's the 80's and I think it's clear to most he did that, because of his band and their colors. Also it was during the Purple Rain 'Ta;l' It's clear he's black! No one really argues that.

berniejobs said:

By the way, the topic of this thread is:

Prince is NOT a gay black man.

How quick is everyone to jump on the "gay" adjective as opposed to the "black" adjective. I suppose it's more controversial to be gay than black.

Immediately y'all are responding with posts about gayness.

But the topic also says black.

It's a study in sociology (or psychology) as to why the topic of GAY is outnumbering in posts than of BLACK.

Perhaps it's the word order? If the topic was "Prince is NOT a black gay man", would the majority of the posts be concerned with whether he was black or not? I'm not sure.

In any case, why aren't y'all saying "He is black." or "He isn't black." ? Instead of just the gay stuff...

Jeez...

He is black, so the obvious contention was going to be over the 'gay' part of the thread title. Unless you wanted more of discussion over homosexuality and the black community in general.

Spinlight said:

SpiritOtter said:

Spinlight,

I respect the intelligence you are bringing to this thread; I request, however, that you don't rise to the trolls. You've brought more than most already to this discussion; the cream always rises to the top. Thank you.

If you wish to expand on The NPG theory or the many stories told in the Minneapolis area, you allude to, I would welcome it.

love,

Spirit

Many people hold the theory that the NPG's purpose was to blacken and toughen his image. Prince has always had white people in the audience (recall the Dirty Mind videos where one really "into it" white blonde is in the front row shaking her... things), but when he changed his sound (more pop/rock) and image (most of the band is white with prominent female members), he gained "the rest" of the white audience and they drowned out his black following.

After "Raspberry Beret" and "Pop Life" (2 majorly white-sounding songs, pop/rock formula borrowing from "Let's Go Crazy" and "Take Me With U" thematically if not in sound) and the brief ATWIAD era, you see him injecting more color into his band with Miko, Sheila, and the bodyguards as well as Jerome, etc. It was by this time his black following had largely criticized his white-affectation.

With the NPG, he gradually made his band more "colorful" with Cat, Boni, and eventually Michael B, Sonny, et al. Along with this came his hip hop noodling (leading into full on hip hop tracks on Diamonds and Pearls and every album thereafter). It's interesting to note that even when Prince acquiesced to people wanting his "whiter" sound back, he incorporated rap songs anyway. Check The Gold Experience and Chaos & Disorder where "Now" and "I Rock Therefore I Am" sound way out of place.

Obviously now his band is just about 100% black and he incorporates almost nothing but R&B/Soul and hiphop in his music. His sales are down about a jillion percent since 1984 for what its worth (don't take this as a sign I care about his sales - I don't, just noting it for posterity).

I don't necessarily agree with a lot of the anecdotal/speculative stuff, but I do witness people holding said opinions so that's why I'm saying it. I don't want anyone misinterpreting my comments in a way that suggests I agree he is bitter towards white people.

There's a lot of lore in the MPLS area that Prince has engaged in gay sex. It's hard to explain. Others have lived in the MPLS area longer than I did and can explain it better. I once spent several hours in the NPG store in MPLS and an old dude told me about how back in the day before Prince became famous and was touring in a van with his band Champagne, he was caught in a van with a dude. Again, it's silly local folklore, but it's definitely talked about.

Sorry for the longwinded post.

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"Pop Life" is funky. wouldn't call that a white sounding song. If U really wrote this...

Spinlight said:

berniejobs said:

Looks like you just proved my point. You didn't notice the sarcasm.

Just as sexuality should have nothing to do with being hip, it should also have nothing to do with being insulted.

To call someone gay as a put-down is just as silly as calling someone gay as a put-up(?)... But the bigot straighties of the world can't see it that way.

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Best. GIF. Ever.

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Spinlight said:

Many people hold the theory that the NPG's purpose was to blacken and toughen his image. Prince has always had white people in the audience (recall the Dirty Mind videos where one really "into it" white blonde is in the front row shaking her... things), but when he changed his sound (more pop/rock) and image (most of the band is white with prominent female members), he gained "the rest" of the white audience and they drowned out his black following.

After "Raspberry Beret" and "Pop Life" (2 majorly white-sounding songs, pop/rock formula borrowing from "Let's Go Crazy" and "Take Me With U" thematically if not in sound) and the brief ATWIAD era, you see him injecting more color into his band with Miko, Sheila, and the bodyguards as well as Jerome, etc. It was by this time his black following had largely criticized his white-affectation.

With the NPG, he gradually made his band more "colorful" with Cat, Boni, and eventually Michael B, Sonny, et al. Along with this came his hip hop noodling (leading into full on hip hop tracks on Diamonds and Pearls and every album thereafter). It's interesting to note that even when Prince acquiesced to people wanting his "whiter" sound back, he incorporated rap songs anyway. Check The Gold Experience and Chaos & Disorder where "Now" and "I Rock Therefore I Am" sound way out of place.

Obviously now his band is just about 100% black and he incorporates almost nothing but R&B/Soul and hiphop in his music. His sales are down about a jillion percent since 1984 for what its worth (don't take this as a sign I care about his sales - I don't, just noting it for posterity).

I don't necessarily agree with a lot of the anecdotal/speculative stuff, but I do witness people holding said opinions so that's why I'm saying it. I don't want anyone misinterpreting my comments in a way that suggests I agree he is bitter towards white people.

There's a lot of lore in the MPLS area that Prince has engaged in gay sex. It's hard to explain. Others have lived in the MPLS area longer than I did and can explain it better. I once spent several hours in the NPG store in MPLS and an old dude told me about how back in the day before Prince became famous and was touring in a van with his band Champagne, he was caught in a van with a dude. Again, it's silly local folklore, but it's definitely talked about.

Sorry for the longwinded post.

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"Pop Life" is funky. wouldn't call that a white sounding song. If U really wrote this...

It may be funky, but it's still a pop song.

And yes, of course I wrote it, fool. Who else would've?

anyone else find it funny that the OP decided it was necessary to throw the black part in

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Spinlight said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

"Pop Life" is funky. wouldn't call that a white sounding song. If U really wrote this...

It may be funky, but it's still a pop song.

And yes, of course I wrote it, fool. Who else would've?

It was a top ten Rnb song 2..............

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Spinlight said:

It may be funky, but it's still a pop song.

And yes, of course I wrote it, fool. Who else would've?

It was a top ten Rnb song 2..............

I don't get it.

Prince IS A Fancy Lesbian.

Spinlight said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

It was a top ten Rnb song 2..............

I don't get it.

U or whomever wrote Ur report,called it a pop & white sounding song. It was a big RnB top ten hit 2...

Every week since 2003 when I became a member a Prince IS or ISN'T Gay thread pops up If ya'll have been listening to Prince all these years describe what he's doing to a woman in his songs and you still can't figure it out then it's alotta slow muhfuckking Prince fans Gawd

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Spinlight said:

I don't get it.

U or whomever wrote Ur report,called it a pop & white sounding song. It was a big RnB top ten hit 2...

I didn't say it sounded white in the context of a country song or a punk rock song. I said it was a pop song, which it is. I could not care less about its RNB performance cuz I'm not denying his success. Read into it however you want.

And I'm not sure why you find it hard to believe I can write a "report". The OP asked me what I was talking about so I explained it. What is hard to understand about that?

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He gay, and there aint nothing wrong with it. Ol' dude needs to come out and tell us how he be getting intimate with Morris for 30 years and shit..

I thought y'all knew.

Spinlight said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

U or whomever wrote Ur report,called it a pop & white sounding song. It was a big RnB top ten hit 2...

I didn't say it sounded white in the context of a country song or a punk rock song. I said it was a pop song, which it is. I could not care less about its RNB performance cuz I'm not denying his success. Read into it however you want.

And I'm not sure why you find it hard to believe I can write a "report". The OP asked me what I was talking about so I explained it. What is hard to understand about that?

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AsherFierce said:

He gay, and there aint nothing wrong with it. Ol' dude needs to come out and tell us how he be getting intimate with Morris for 30 years and shit..

I thought y'all knew.

Ol dude I'm sorry, but this is hilarious HE IS NOT GAY