SuperFurryAnimal said:

omg..people wrote negative things about Prince on the internet. I can't believe it!!!

I know right. They're nearly as mean about Prince as a few orgers are.

4everyours said:

lauralevesque said:

I always thought so too! He was so concerned about being a slave to WB and now he is so enslaved! This group is high control and fills you with guilt and controls pretty much everything that you do. I don't know how he fell into such a group.

If you choose to live your life without a Higher authority then peace be with you but just because someone does should not open them up to ignorant hateful rants. And if someone does attempt to live their life by a higher authority as a part of it but they choose not to do it according to the TRUE teachings of that authority then the fault lies with the individual not the institution. Plus it seems that the so called "liberal minded" people are the most intolerant of people who do not think like them and do nothing but bash. And if you do want to criticize certain precepts of a religion, at least do some of the research to understand their origin before you do nothing but spew out the latest sound bite from some online publication that also does not attempt to even understand and you make foolish comments about giving money and homophobia.

Ignorant hateful rants? LOL. Must of hit a nerve. The 'true teachings' give me a break there is no such thing they are all MAN made. Human kind has no authority except their own inner spirituality and nature. The fault totally lies with ALL religious organizations as they are ALL profit based. FYI, Ive studied many religions and lived in monasteries and temples and none of them really approve of non-procreative sex ( more are opening up to it now due to low membership because they are still into giving tidings) because they are ALL about breeding future cult members for money and making profit. Do a bit of research yourself on who sanctioned and profited from the biggest genocide in history (of the Native Americans) the thousands of women killed in the "witch burnings" or the current influence your precious little bigoted churches are having politically thru the UN in Africa/India and other impoverished countries over not providing codoms or birth control(which is a key factor in the spread of aids) before you accuse anyone of being intolerant. Churches have (and do) caused more pain and suffering than any group in history. Not to mention the horrible guilt and shame they heap on young children scarring them for life over natual feelings about sex. Name one organized religion that doesn't demand money from it's members?

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lauralevesque said:

juliejuliejulie said:

What kind of comments can you expect from anyone who would join an organized religion? All are nothing more than cults that brainwash their members into thinking they have the answere-they don't. Instead they all teach sexism and homophobia(because you need to not use birth control and put a stop to any kind of sex that doesnt involve creating more future cult members for more donation money). Should it be a suprise that the JW give Prince speacial treatment? They take a cut of his income as all churches do. The best thing prince can do is get away from all these psychos and stop being brown nosed and bled dry for his income. He gets away from being a 'slave' to the record companies only to become a bigger slave to these hypocrites.

I always thought so too! He was so concerned about being a slave to WB and now he is so enslaved! This group is high control and fills you with guilt and controls pretty much everything that you do. I don't know how he fell into such a group.

Right on. I've seen this type of adult conversion happen a few times. All the ones I know have been damaged/exposed to religion when they were very young with the graphic and horrible things they were "taught" in church regarding sex, eternal damnation, guilt, etc. Cognitively speaking kids aren't capable of understanding these things and it really scars and stays with them for live. It is really a form of child abuse.

Then from what I've seen a lot of times as they get older and maybe have issues in their life and are looking for answeres that psych imprint is still within them and they revert back to it instead of dealing with core issues one of which was being damaged and manipulated by the church at such a young age. It is really pretty sad. But hey, whatever it takes for churches to have a profit slave for life.

Wow, the intensity of the contempt for piety in here is outrageous to me. Nonetheless, religion and theology are not going anywhere, at any time soon, and never will. So happily maintain your unreasonable antagonism towards them 'cause it's gonna be with you for life.

as someone that doesnt believe in god, i find it interesting that atheists feel the need to go around anti-preaching to theists. let them be?

uuhson said:

as someone that doesnt believe in god, i find it interesting that atheists feel the need to go around anti-preaching to theists. let them be?

Yeah, I don't think so. Not until they can learn to keep their insanity to themselves.

i guess i deal with enough crazy in my life that i realize theres no arguing or reasoning with them, i just try to avoid them

uuhson said:

i consider myself agnostic, that might be why

uuhson said:

i consider myself agnostic, that might be why

Then no wonder you give all of the current and past atrocities being committed (especially in our own country, right now) by the nutjobs. People use religion as a way of resolving their issues with death, loss, etc and are so passionate about said beliefs (because their whole world would shatter if they abandoned 'god') that they are willing to throw you under the bus to save their own asses.

It's simply not good enough to say that the well-meaning, Christ-like (as opposed to Christian) people make up for the other things. You live in SF, like me. How you are seemingly oblivious to the massive attack Christians are lobbying in the government right now is beyond me.

Then no wonder you give all of the current and past atrocities being committed (especially in our own country, right now) by the nutjobs.

was this supposed to be forgive? I don't

People use religion as a way of resolving their issues with death, loss, etc and are so passionate about said beliefs (because their whole world would shatter if they abandoned 'god') that they are willing to throw you under the bus to save their own asses.

and I'd definitely do the same for them

It's simply not good enough to say that the well-meaning, Christ-like (as opposed to Christian) people make up for the other things. You live in SF, like me. How you are seemingly oblivious to the massive attack Christians are lobbying in the government right now is beyond me.

maybe I wasnt very clear, I understand whats going on and I dont support religious fanatics/fundies in any way shape or form.

all what I was saying is when theres people around me I'm forced to interact with that happen to be religious I like to stay out of any and all debate. I dont happen to interact with many religious zealots though considering we live in SF



edit: and I wasnt even responding to what you were saying earlier in the thread, you're definitely right for the most part

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uuhson said:

Then no wonder you give all of the current and past atrocities being committed (especially in our own country, right now) by the nutjobs.

was this supposed to be forgive? I don't

and I'd definitely do the same for them

It's simply not good enough to say that the well-meaning, Christ-like (as opposed to Christian) people make up for the other things. You live in SF, like me. How you are seemingly oblivious to the massive attack Christians are lobbying in the government right now is beyond me.

maybe I wasnt very clear, I understand whats going on and I dont support religious fanatics/fundies in any way shape or form.

all what I was saying is when theres people around me I'm forced to interact with that happen to be religious I like to stay out of any and all debate. I dont happen to interact with many religious zealots though considering we live in SF



edit: and I wasnt even responding to what you were saying earlier in the thread, you're definitely right for the most part

[Edited 3/17/12 19:52pm]

I meant give them a pass, but yeah.

On a forum, I find it to be absolutely something I'll bring up and stand behind (a lack of faith) and I feel that the more open people are about it the more people who will admit its all a farce. Technology affords people the exposure to knowledge they never would've known before. Imagine if people had cell phones 2,000 years ago - I guarantee there would be rather dramatic shifts in what became acceptable re: religion. People sharing information and viewpoints is critical to evolution on a social level.

I find the biggest problem with laymen is that they've little to no clue or care about what goes on in the world. People take it for granted all the time. And the more people speak up about how farcical religion is, the more open the questioning minds will be to continuing to question. Eventually, religion will be outgrown (if the religious bozos dont bomb everyone to the moon).

I was always fascinated by the man who sat next to Einstein on a train. I forget exactly how the story went, but it ended up with the guy realizing that Einstein was praying the rosary

Einstein was born and raised Jewish, rejected atheism but was an agnostic. So, it is difficult to believe he was using a rosary.

I am with Spinlight all the way. I've got no issue with what any adult wants to do as long as they don't infect young minds or prey on people that are in pain and a vulnerable state. If they really respected, cared or loved children they would let them be until they are old enough to decide for themselves.

Also, how religious organizations (like any good corporation) have and do effect public policy. I've most recently seen the works of the Mormons and JW as well as other Christian groups in Polynesia as well as South East Asia. And it ain't pretty the way they are destroying traditonal and indigenous culture there, but, like any corporation (set up for profit as its primary goal) they have to get more converts so they extend their tenacles into ever expanding markets to increase their profits by getting new converts. For example, for years the Mormons have owned more land in Hawaii than Native Hawaiians, but, I am sure they are doing that for the Natives own good.lol.

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lauralevesque said:

Actually, to clairify, I know this board, it's actually an "Ex-Jehovah's Witness" page. It's confusing because it looks like it's a bunch of JW's but it's really alot of nice but bitter people who left the Witnesses and hate everything about the JW's since they messed up their lives, basically. So I'm not surprised they would hate on Prince or call him names. They hate ANYTHING Witness.

Oh, OK that explains it. I was reading the comments and was and I was like . I wasn't surprised by the homophobia because I expected that from the loony toons but what I was surprised about was the cuss words like "fuck" and one poster even mentioned penis size.

The first thing I thought was...."Hmmmm.....I thought Jehovah's Witnesses weren't supposed to cuss". I'm sure there's a lot of hypocrits that do fun things behind closed doors when no one's looking because Lord knows no normal person could live by those strict rules of having no fun whatsoever of any kind, any time, or any place,....ever....but I was surprised that they would cuss out in the open where someone else might see it. I was enjoying and was thinking, with all that cussing going on, maybe they're not as bad as I thought.

Harlepolis said:

nursev said:

Prince has free will to associate with whomever he likes, but it's a shame that he financially supports this religion and it's members openly post comments like this online about him. If they don't care for him then so be it, but to post this shit is just wrong.

So you guys base a WHOLE group of people based on a few nutjobs in some internet board? Seriously ya'll,,,,

My neighbor is one and she sure shocked the hell out of me. She comes over and borrows my phone sometimes and we talk afterwards. I act myself around her. I don't get all explicit but I don't hold my tongue when it comes to cussing either. I was enjoying myself filling her in and busting out that piece of closet rough trade trash that lives in the building that I was fooling around with right after I first moved in. I can get her to laughing so hard that she forgets who she's talking to and will let out a loud squeal of laughter and holler...."Girrrrrrl, you are crazy! Uh....oh, I'm sorry, I mean Andy, you so crazy!" I just tell her, that's OK, go on and enjoy yourself because my ass is crazy and you need to have some fun sometimes".

nursev said:

Harlepolis said:

So you guys base a WHOLE group of people based on a few nutjobs in some internet board? Seriously ya'll,,,,

For me it's different. I grew up around several folks who associated with JW's and they were really intolerant to most things. My friends aunt was one and they made her childhood a living hell due to their views. But again I think the comments are distasteful.

I was telling my neighbor who is a Jehovah's Witness that Prince was one also. She just listened and observed until I mentioned that he had been married twice and the first thing she said was she thought he was gay to which I replied, "Well, he is but the little heffer lives in denial" to which she fell out laughing.

She didn't make any disrespectful comments she just said she thought he was gay and asked if he still dresses like he used to and I told her he still wears makeup and high heels and she said if he was one, he probably got thrown out but still follows their beliefs because he knows they're the "right ones". I thought to myself, yeah right, they probably didn't kick him out because they like that money honey.

kenkamken said:

If had the My Little Pony colour scheme, you'd be forgiven for thinking that was the cover to 20Ten.

NeonCraxx said:

carlcranshaw said:

A stupid cult he needs to get out of.

He doesn't need to get out of shit. The religion is a choice Prince made, not what the fans made. I can't believe some Prince fans out there want Prince to convert to Atheism. Why would they want that? Does it matter? By the way, there is a reason why Prince keeps his most of his personal life hidden from the public. It's not reserved for the fans judgement. JW's get a lot of shit from people, it's ridiculous. They are nice people. Rant over. Wolf Gang

Spinlight said:

uuhson said:

as someone that doesnt believe in god, i find it interesting that atheists feel the need to go around anti-preaching to theists. let them be?

Yeah, I don't think so. Not until they can learn to keep their insanity to themselves.

AND KEEP THEIR HANDS TO THEMSELFS!! HOW MANY PRIESTS DIDN´T MOLEST CHILDREN? even a

Bishop in my country........and someone heard about the castration of young boys that happened in the 50´s in Holland,all over the news last week!! And many,many more.....And I don´t wanna talk about the obvious; the religious wars etc... If someone believes in some religion,ok but don´t tell others what to do and keep it private!

"I also heard that he and Larry Graham would actually invite young JW amateur musician's over to Paisley Park for "jam sessions" where they would be put down if inferior in their musical abilities."

Well duh, didn't he do that to an interviewer recently?