lauralevesque said:

Actually, to clairify, I know this board, it's actually an "Ex-Jehovah's Witness" page. It's confusing because it looks like it's a bunch of JW's but it's really alot of nice but bitter people who left the Witnesses and hate everything about the JW's since they messed up their lives, basically. So I'm not surprised they would hate on Prince or call him names. They hate ANYTHING Witness.

again

A stupid cult he needs to get out of.

carlcranshaw said:

NeonCraxx said:

carlcranshaw said:

A stupid cult he needs to get out of.

He doesn't need to get out of shit. The religion is a choice Prince made, not what the fans made. I can't believe some Prince fans out there want Prince to convert to Atheism. Why would they want that? Does it matter? By the way, there is a reason why Prince keeps his most of his personal life hidden from the public. It's not reserved for the fans judgement. JW's get a lot of shit from people, it's ridiculous. They are nice people. Rant over. Wolf Gang

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smoothcriminal12 said:

Some of those people are crazy as hell.

all of them are by definition...

they believe in gods

Spinlight said:

NeonCraxx said:

(insert epic post here)

(a thumb pic)

Tinypic is a crappy site. It's all about Photobucket.

NeonCraxx said:

Spinlight said:

(a thumb pic)

Tinypic is a crappy site. It's all about Photobucket.

I was on photobucket when you were still in diapers, creeper!

Lord let it rain on me.

Let it all come down.

Lord let it rain on me.

I'm about ready now.

Spinlight said:

NeonCraxx said:

Tinypic is a crappy site. It's all about Photobucket.

I was on photobucket when you were still in diapers, creeper!

Except for the fact that I wasn't even in diapers since the site launched in 2003.

Win.

Spinlight said:

WaterInYourBath said:

It's funny how the people you're referring to would say the same about you.

I don't find that funny at all because it's not in my nature to be a violent person. However, when I live in a world where just my walking down the street and looking like a "faggot" can lead to my imminent and brutal death, you are damn sure I'm going to sing it from the mountaintops that religion is a virulent disease.

And since I already trounced one religious buffoon on the org tonight, I don't feel like I need to reiterate my opinions in too much detail here. Suffice it to say, I would never pull the first punch, but I have no qualms ending the argument myself.

Not saying your point is totally wrong here, but is 'religion' the problem here? It's just a concept. The problem is always the people.

NeonCraxx said:

Spinlight said:

I was on photobucket when you were still in diapers, creeper!

Except for the fact that I wasn't even in diapers since the site launched in 2003.

Win.

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Care to explain this then?

NeonCraxx said:

I have an Afro, I don't look 40, and I killed my teddy bear years ago. False pic is false.

Nah, I'm pretty sure that's your pic. And I'm okay with that.

Byyyyyyyye!

Spinlight said:

Spinlight said:

WaterInYourBath said:

It's funny how the people you're referring to would say the same about you.

I don't find that funny at all because it's not in my nature to be a violent person. However, when I live in a world where just my walking down the street and looking like a "faggot" can lead to my imminent and brutal death, you are damn sure I'm going to sing it from the mountaintops that religion is a virulent disease.

And since I already trounced one religious buffoon on the org tonight, I don't feel like I need to reiterate my opinions in too much detail here. Suffice it to say, I would never pull the first punch, but I have no qualms ending the argument myself.

You look at experiences with a few outlier individuals and then create a generalization about a whole group, just like many theistic people have done with those incorrectly considered to be an enemy, with both perspectives being equally wrong.

But regarding your reply, how do you know majority of those bigots are religious though? They could all be atheists, just like you. And if they are atheists, would you then state that all of them, a group you're included in this time, should be exterminated too?

Spinlight said:

NeonCraxx said:

Except for the fact that I wasn't even in diapers since the site launched in 2003.

Win.

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Care to explain this then?

WaterInYourBath said:

Spinlight said:

I don't find that funny at all because it's not in my nature to be a violent person. However, when I live in a world where just my walking down the street and looking like a "faggot" can lead to my imminent and brutal death, you are damn sure I'm going to sing it from the mountaintops that religion is a virulent disease.

And since I already trounced one religious buffoon on the org tonight, I don't feel like I need to reiterate my opinions in too much detail here. Suffice it to say, I would never pull the first punch, but I have no qualms ending the argument myself.

You look at experiences with a few outlier individuals and then create a generalization about a whole group, just like many theistic people have done with those incorrectly considered to be an enemy, with both perspectives being equally wrong.

But regarding your reply, how do you know majority of those bigots are religious though? They could all be atheists, just like you. And if they are atheists, would you then state that all of them, a group you're included in this time, should be exterminated too?

No, I only offered one outlying example for the sake of brevity. Religion, as a whole, has been the source of the most terrifying events of humanity's past. I can post a list of these atrocities that, while detailed, merely touches the surface of these crimes.

I look out my window, as an American who has lived all over this amazing country, to see patterns that are NOT merely outlying. They are the norm. With the advent of the internet, an even more intimate peek into the minds of humanity provides us an additional perspective on it. And this is not a new thing. Religion was the source of our forefathers' exodus to this continent, the nigh-extinction of the Native "American" race (with the absolute extinction of hundreds of Caribbean and South American peoples numbering in the millions), slavery, segregation, the war on drugs, contraception, AIDS, and even hurricane fucking katrina was used as a religious talking point.

It was exhausting walking through life making excuses as to why atheists and agnostics should be outcasts and considered the crazy ones. Like their opinions are just so easily brushed off by the believing sheeple because The Powers That Be have used religion as mind control over the populace. Atheists and agnostic people aren't even the focal point of the Religious Right's political agenda. Their agenda spreads not only to their direct opposites, but the rest of the world at large as well.

The current political climate is drenched in religious psychobabble. Contraception, gay marriage, racism, and the economy are all linked back to religious themes being propogated by religious White Warlords (incidentally, all the while the average Joe is OD'ing on a Black Warlord in Uganda).

Atheists and agnostics have not been the source of these issues either on a local or global scale - anywhere. And because religious people feel that their religion is so fucking important that it needs to be the headlining act of their entire lives, they are CONSTANTLY screaming about being persecuted. Well, I say persecute the fuck out of them. I say we persecute them to the Nth power for every single child a religious officer molested, for every insane pedo on the street who saw God in the child they were molesting, for every gay person put through torturous psychological warfare to de-gay them, for any nonreligious person - be they gay or str8 - abused by religious goons, and for all the other modern day atrocities continually being performed by these assholes.

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lauralevesque said:

Actually, to clairify, I know this board, it's actually an "Ex-Jehovah's Witness" page.

I was going to say this, but I wasn't sure.. I know I've been to a few anti-JW websites before, but I wasn't sure if this was one of them.

omg..people wrote negative things about Prince on the internet. I can't believe it!!!

Spinlight said:

WaterInYourBath said:

You look at experiences with a few outlier individuals and then create a generalization about a whole group, just like many theistic people have done with those incorrectly considered to be an enemy, with both perspectives being equally wrong.

But regarding your reply, how do you know majority of those bigots are religious though? They could all be atheists, just like you. And if they are atheists, would you then state that all of them, a group you're included in this time, should be exterminated too?

No, I only offered one outlying example for the sake of brevity. Religion, as a whole, has been the source of the most terrifying events of humanity's past. I can post a list of these atrocities that, while detailed, merely touches the surface of these crimes.

I look out my window, as an American who has lived all over this amazing country, to see patterns that are NOT merely outlying. They are the norm. With the advent of the internet, an even more intimate peek into the minds of humanity provides us an additional perspective on it. And this is not a new thing. Religion was the source of our forefathers' exodus to this continent, the nigh-extinction of the Native "American" race (with the absolute extinction of hundreds of Caribbean and South African peoples numbering in the millions), slavery, segregation, the war on drugs, contraception, AIDS, and even hurricane fucking katrina was used as a religious talking point.

It was exhausting walking through life making excuses as to why atheists and agnostics should be outcasts and considered the crazy ones. Like their opinions are just so easily brushed off by the believing sheeple because The Powers That Be have used religion as mind control over the populace. Atheists and agnostic people aren't even the focal point of the Religious Right's political agenda. Their agenda spreads not only to their direct opposites, but the rest of the world at large as well.

The current political climate is drenched in religious psychobabble. Contraception, gay marriage, racism, and the economy are all linked back to religious themes being propogated by religious White Warlords (incidentally, all the while the average Joe is OD'ing on a Black Warlord in Uganda).

Atheists and agnostics have not been the source of these issues either on a local or global scale - anywhere. And because religious people feel that their religion is so fucking important that it needs to be the headlining act of their entire lives, they are CONSTANTLY screaming about being persecuted. Well, I say persecute the fuck out of them. I say we persecute them to the Nth power for every single child a religious officer molested, for every insane pedo on the street who saw God in the child they were molesting, for every gay person put through torturous psychological warfare to de-gay them, for any nonreligious person - be they gay or str8 - abused by religious goons, and for all the other modern day atrocities continually being performed by these assholes.

That's still a generalization. And you're wrong about that bolded part. Underground neo-nazis, for example (who are still very prevalent), would likely cause your "imminent and brutal death" and all of those other crimes you listed above far quicker than any typical Christian would. And their principles are characterized by your antipathy towards Church and religion as well, so you might want to hate them too. But you won't, because they're victimized atheists, right?

WaterInYourBath said:

Spinlight said:

No, I only offered one outlying example for the sake of brevity. Religion, as a whole, has been the source of the most terrifying events of humanity's past. I can post a list of these atrocities that, while detailed, merely touches the surface of these crimes.

I look out my window, as an American who has lived all over this amazing country, to see patterns that are NOT merely outlying. They are the norm. With the advent of the internet, an even more intimate peek into the minds of humanity provides us an additional perspective on it. And this is not a new thing. Religion was the source of our forefathers' exodus to this continent, the nigh-extinction of the Native "American" race (with the absolute extinction of hundreds of Caribbean and South African peoples numbering in the millions), slavery, segregation, the war on drugs, contraception, AIDS, and even hurricane fucking katrina was used as a religious talking point.

It was exhausting walking through life making excuses as to why atheists and agnostics should be outcasts and considered the crazy ones. Like their opinions are just so easily brushed off by the believing sheeple because The Powers That Be have used religion as mind control over the populace. Atheists and agnostic people aren't even the focal point of the Religious Right's political agenda. Their agenda spreads not only to their direct opposites, but the rest of the world at large as well.

The current political climate is drenched in religious psychobabble. Contraception, gay marriage, racism, and the economy are all linked back to religious themes being propogated by religious White Warlords (incidentally, all the while the average Joe is OD'ing on a Black Warlord in Uganda).

Atheists and agnostics have not been the source of these issues either on a local or global scale - anywhere. And because religious people feel that their religion is so fucking important that it needs to be the headlining act of their entire lives, they are CONSTANTLY screaming about being persecuted. Well, I say persecute the fuck out of them. I say we persecute them to the Nth power for every single child a religious officer molested, for every insane pedo on the street who saw God in the child they were molesting, for every gay person put through torturous psychological warfare to de-gay them, for any nonreligious person - be they gay or str8 - abused by religious goons, and for all the other modern day atrocities continually being performed by these assholes.

That's still a generalization. And you're wrong about that bolded part. Underground neo-nazis, for example (who are still very prevalent), would likely cause your "imminent and brutal death" and all of those other crimes you listed above far quicker than any typical Christian would. And their principles are characterized by your antipathy towards Church and religion as well, so you might want to hate them too. But you won't, because they're victimized atheists, right?

Generalization or not, I've already offered specific examples. The movement defines itself - I don't need to define it for you. Whether you're a religious person or just sympathetic to them, that's fine, but you docked your argument's legs by saying "underground" neo-nazis. I'm not interested in discussing the merits of gangs because that requires too much deviation from the topic at hand.

Underground neo-nazis obviously -would not- cause those crimes quicker because, well, they haven't. And they've had a window of over 2000 years to do so.

Religion is a disease and it's the window dressing (if not motivation) of the world's big problems. I'm not afraid to say that the world would be better off without it.

Spinlight said:

WaterInYourBath said:

That's still a generalization. And you're wrong about that bolded part. Underground neo-nazis, for example (who are still very prevalent), would likely cause your "imminent and brutal death" and all of those other crimes you listed above far quicker than any typical Christian would. And their principles are characterized by your antipathy towards Church and religion as well, so you might want to hate them too. But you won't, because they're victimized atheists, right?

Generalization or not, I've already offered specific examples. The movement defines itself - I don't need to define it for you. Whether you're a religious person or just sympathetic to them, that's fine, but you docked your argument's legs by saying "underground" neo-nazis. I'm not interested in discussing the merits of gangs because that requires too much deviation from the topic at hand.

Underground neo-nazis obviously -would not- cause those crimes quicker because, well, they haven't. And they've had a window of over 2000 years to do so.

Religion is a disease and it's the window dressing (if not motivation) of the world's big problems. I'm not afraid to say that the world would be better off without it.

"Underground" as in not conspicuously visible. That doesn't mean they're not present or not terrorizing people, considering there are thousands of them currently in US and European prisons, with more certainly becoming convicted in the future. Thus, they're still doing exactly as I said they would do, evidently.

And my reason for mentioning that particular large group really is to point out that this "disease" of cruelty and violence you label religious people as solely having is one that can manifest in any mentally disturbed person, many of whom are NOT believers of God or any deity. So I say, despise the individual criminals, not the entire organization or culture from which they originate (unless it can be proven that all of its members are corrupt, like the neo-nazis).

WaterInYourBath said:

Spinlight said:

Generalization or not, I've already offered specific examples. The movement defines itself - I don't need to define it for you. Whether you're a religious person or just sympathetic to them, that's fine, but you docked your argument's legs by saying "underground" neo-nazis. I'm not interested in discussing the merits of gangs because that requires too much deviation from the topic at hand.

Underground neo-nazis obviously -would not- cause those crimes quicker because, well, they haven't. And they've had a window of over 2000 years to do so.

Religion is a disease and it's the window dressing (if not motivation) of the world's big problems. I'm not afraid to say that the world would be better off without it.

"Underground" as in not conspicuously visible. That doesn't mean they're not present or not terrorizing people, considering there are thousands of them currently in US and European prisons, with more certainly becoming convicted in the future. Thus, they're still doing exactly as I said they would do, evidently.

And my reason for mentioning that particular large group really is to point out that this "disease" of cruelty and violence you label religious people as solely having is one that can manifest in any mentally disturbed person, many of whom are NOT believers of God or any deity. So I say, despise the individual criminals, not the entire organization or culture from which they originate (unless it can be proven that all of its members are corrupt, like the neo-nazis).

Oh, I despise the individual criminals as well. Believe that!

However, I don't judge religious crazies the same way as I would judge a neo-nazi mostly because the grasp of religion is much farther. Religion has a way of presenting itself as an innocuous thing on the surface. The deeper you go, the worst it gets. So while there may be weekend warrior Christians, they are not the ones in power. They're dupes, fools having been bamboozled and hoodwinked into believing a pie-in-the-sky notion to make them feel better about their eventual death (and the death that surrounds them).

People will do many a crazy thing when the sanctity of their family is at risk. Normally sane people become pitchfork-wielding goons. I say it already takes an element of psychosis to commit to religion in the first place and that it's only a measure of when, not if, a religious person will lose his or her shit.

SuperFurryAnimal said:

omg..people wrote negative things about Prince on the internet. I can't believe it!!!

Ikr,I've read worst about Prince on the Org.

NouveauDance said:

"He's still using that pagan looking symbol?"

-- *gasp* *swoon* *faint* Oh Marsha! Not the pagan symbol!

I reacted the same way when I read that! Some of those people are nut cases! I mean seriously!

I think there should be a distinction between those who are 'Religious/legalistic people' Or simply put, those who follow a book line by line, (and feel if they don't, they or anyone else will be condemned); in comparison to those who can find proverb and understanding from scripture. I think spirituality should be treated as "If eye see 11, you can see it's 7, still I wish you heaven". Meaning, I wish you peace, and love regardless if you agree with me. This world contains 7 billion people, and we all won't go nowhere demolishing people for a system that is just as corrupt as the institutions which prevent freedom. It's not cool to generalize everybody who believes in God to belong to malice and the reason for all war. I get annoyed by extremists on both sides, because becoming extreme and fanatical to prove a point will not solve the issue of the jacked up system. We should all be in this together.

It should be clear, that the members of this board, are mostly no longer Jehovah Witness's and are very bitter because they probably were dis-fellowshiped or judged for their personal views which were not in accordance with 'The Watch Tower' standards. It's crazy that they have a nerve to say so.

Prince is entitled to walk in his field, because it's his choice. I can point my criticism and perspective of him, as long as I realize he is not accountable to me. He can do whatever he wants, I can still give my two cents on him though. JUST LIKE Prince can talk about a group of people, etc..And he does. Like we all do, we all comment and give our perspective on people who we find reason to talk about, that's all OK. AS long as accountability and respect is acknowledged.

Unless we play the blame game....

Let's play the blame game, I love you. Let's play the blame game, I hate you... -Kanye West/John Legend

By then, we would just program our GPS according to a circle. Haha

BACK ON THE TOPIC: Some of these people are really bitter and inconsiderate. Haha

What kind of comments can you expect from anyone who would join an organized religion? All are nothing more than cults that brainwash their members into thinking they have the answere-they don't. Instead they all teach sexism and homophobia(because you need to not use birth control and put a stop to any kind of sex that doesnt involve creating more future cult members for more donation money). Should it be a suprise that the JW give Prince speacial treatment? They take a cut of his income as all churches do. The best thing prince can do is get away from all these psychos and stop being brown nosed and bled dry for his income. He gets away from being a 'slave' to the record companies only to become a bigger slave to these hypocrites.

juliejuliejulie said:

What kind of comments can you expect from anyone who would join an organized religion? All are nothing more than cults that brainwash their members into thinking they have the answere-they don't. Instead they all teach sexism and homophobia(because you need to not use birth control and put a stop to any kind of sex that doesnt involve creating more future cult members for more donation money). Should it be a suprise that the JW give Prince speacial treatment? They take a cut of his income as all churches do. The best thing prince can do is get away from all these psychos and stop being brown nosed and bled dry for his income. He gets away from being a 'slave' to the record companies only to become a bigger slave to these hypocrites.

I always thought so too! He was so concerned about being a slave to WB and now he is so enslaved! This group is high control and fills you with guilt and controls pretty much everything that you do. I don't know how he fell into such a group.

lauralevesque said:

juliejuliejulie said:

What kind of comments can you expect from anyone who would join an organized religion? All are nothing more than cults that brainwash their members into thinking they have the answere-they don't. Instead they all teach sexism and homophobia(because you need to not use birth control and put a stop to any kind of sex that doesnt involve creating more future cult members for more donation money). Should it be a suprise that the JW give Prince speacial treatment? They take a cut of his income as all churches do. The best thing prince can do is get away from all these psychos and stop being brown nosed and bled dry for his income. He gets away from being a 'slave' to the record companies only to become a bigger slave to these hypocrites.

I always thought so too! He was so concerned about being a slave to WB and now he is so enslaved! This group is high control and fills you with guilt and controls pretty much everything that you do. I don't know how he fell into such a group.

If you choose to live your life without a Higher authority then peace be with you but just because someone does should not open them up to ignorant hateful rants. And if someone does attempt to live their life by a higher authority as a part of it but they choose not to do it according to the TRUE teachings of that authority then the fault lies with the individual not the institution. Plus it seems that the so called "liberal minded" people are the most intolerant of people who do not think like them and do nothing but bash. And if you do want to criticize certain precepts of a religion, at least do some of the research to understand their origin before you do nothing but spew out the latest sound bite from some online publication that also does not attempt to even understand and you make foolish comments about giving money and homophobia.