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PrintableBorisFishpaw said: thedog said: MiaBocca said: thedog said: I thought it said in the hits and b-sides liner notes that there was never going to be a camille album and that those tracks were really the stuff Prince took out of the original Crystal ball to make it Signs O times. Camille was only an alter ego made up for crystal ball.
Nah. Crystal Ball was basically a development of the Camille album and came after. Camille + Dream Factory = Crystal Ball. I guess you know better then Alan Leeds. After all Mr. Leeds only worked as his tour manager and vice president of Paisley park records for 10 years. So you should know more then him. Actually MiaBocca IS quite correct. Camille is not a collection of Sign O' The Times Outtakes. It was compiled and sequenced BEFORE Crystal Ball or Sign O The Times was assembled. The fact that it is not a collection of 'outtakes' is evident from the tracklist, as 3 of the songs appeared on Sign O' The Times anyway. Here's the sequence of events with dates... July 18th 1986: The final version of Dream Factory is sequenced ready for production. November 5th 1986: The Camille album is sequenced. It even got as far as getting it's release planned into WB's 1987 first quarter schedule, with a projected first single of Shockadelica coupled with Housequake. November 30th 1986: Prince shelves the Camille album, and assembles Crystal Ball, a triple album which includes all but one of the Camille tracks (he even considered releasing Crystal Ball under the Camille pseudonym at first). December 21st 1986: Crystal Ball is cut down to a double album at the request of WB. It is re-titled 'Sign O The Times', as the old title track was one of the first songs to be cut. It still includes 3 tracks from the Camille album.  | |
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Pagey said: I made my own Camille CD a while back, using the tracking listing found in DMSR.
1st this has become my favorite workout album by far! I think this album would have been a sizable hit. The songs go together very well. Its a funky & fun little record. I have burned it quite a bit for friends. 2nd...everytime I listen to this album, it makes me realize how badly Prince's back catalogue albums need to be remastered. I took Housequake, Strange Relationship, and If I Was You're Girlfriend directly off SOTT, and the sound quality compared to all the other tunes sucks so bad. I got Rebirth and Shockadelica from Napster a few years back and even those tunes sound better than the SOTT tracks. I know its unlikely remastering will happen anytime soon ...but it SO needs to be done.  I put my own together,too on my mp3 player.It really rocks much better thn Ithought it would.I agree that the album would have been pretty successful.I used an altenate mix of Housequake that I downloaded and the earlier take of Strange Relationship to make things interesting.I alos used all the 12" versions I could. Now,on teh actual album,isn't Housequake a different version than is on SOTT?I wonde if this version is it.It is mixed very differntly and is more raw.The bassisn't mixed as smoothly ad I really like this version.It is not the same as 7Minutes Mo' Quake. "I'm a pig..so,magic elixir I swill" | |
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BorisFishpaw said: Here's the tracklist for Crystal Ball as well...
side one REBIRTH OF THE FLESH (4:51) PLAY IN THE SUNSHINE (5:05) HOUSEQUAKE (4:38 ) THE BALLAD OF DOROTHY PARKER (4:04) side two IT (5:10) STARFISH & COFFEE (2:51) SLOW LOVE (4:18 ) HOT THING (5:39) side three CRYSTAL BALL (10:28 ) IF I WAS YOUR GIRLFRIEND (4:54) ROCKHARD IN A FUNKY PLACE (4:32) side four THE BALL (4:34) JOY IN REPETITION (4:53) STRANGE RELATIONSHIP (4:04) I COULD NEVER TAKE THE PLACE OF YOUR MAN (6:31) side five SHOCKADELICA (6:12) GOOD LOVE (5:12) FOREVER IN MY LIFE (3:38 ) SIGN O’ THE TIMES (5:02) side six THE CROSS (4:46) ADORE (6:29) IT’S GONNA BE A BEAUTIFUL NIGHT (8:59) that may be partially so, but crucial was actually supposed to be on the crystal ball not adore. he only recorded adore right before the sign album came out. reference Purple Reign for that info . | |
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liv4luv said: BorisFishpaw said: Here's the tracklist for Crystal Ball as well...
side one REBIRTH OF THE FLESH (4:51) PLAY IN THE SUNSHINE (5:05) HOUSEQUAKE (4:38 ) THE BALLAD OF DOROTHY PARKER (4:04) side two IT (5:10) STARFISH & COFFEE (2:51) SLOW LOVE (4:18 ) HOT THING (5:39) side three CRYSTAL BALL (10:28 ) IF I WAS YOUR GIRLFRIEND (4:54) ROCKHARD IN A FUNKY PLACE (4:32) side four THE BALL (4:34) JOY IN REPETITION (4:53) STRANGE RELATIONSHIP (4:04) I COULD NEVER TAKE THE PLACE OF YOUR MAN (6:31) side five SHOCKADELICA (6:12) GOOD LOVE (5:12) FOREVER IN MY LIFE (3:38 ) SIGN O’ THE TIMES (5:02) side six THE CROSS (4:46) ADORE (6:29) IT’S GONNA BE A BEAUTIFUL NIGHT (8:59) that may be partially so, but crucial was actually supposed to be on the crystal ball not adore. he only recorded adore right before the sign album came out. reference Purple Reign for that info. I think they've got their info a little confused. Adore was recorded shortly before Crystal Ball was finalised. (On the November 20th 1986 to be exact) Crystal Ball was delivered to WB 10 days later on the 30th. Sign O' The Times wasn't released until March 30th 1987. A full 4 months after Crystal Ball was rejected by WB. | |
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we are forgetting The Time's unreleased Corporate World album | |
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getblue said: we are forgetting The Time's unreleased Corporate World album
Man, if we started on associated artist non-releases too we're gonna be here a looong time 
Here's the tracklisting for The Time's Corporate World; 1. Murph Drag 2. 9 Lives 3. Donald Trump (Black Version) 4. Love Machine 5. Data Bank 6. Shake! 7. Corporate World 8. The Latest Fashion 9. Release It 10. My Summertime Thang . | |
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Disorder said: Great covers Justin! Thanks!
No problem! When I printed out the back cover on glossy paper with my printer's highest setting, it looked eerily real - if I say so myself.  | |
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i agree - great job on the covers. I'd never really listened to Camille in sequence before, and I have to say I really have new appreciation for all of these tracks - especially ROTF. | |
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JonSnow said: I have to say I really have new appreciation for all of these tracks - especially ROTF.
The only track which seems (slightly) out of place is "Strange Relationship" and I can't put my finger on why. But yeah - after burning it to a CDR, it is now officially my favourite Prince album. | |
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With regard to a 1994 unreleased Techno album. It is not called "New World" nor does it contain "51 hours" or loose". There exists 2 seperate individual albums of unreleased electronic(techno) Material. The first is the techno album. The title of the album is over forty words long and the first word is Ultra. It exists on a Warner bros. promo x-reference cassette. The first side contains 3 songs(instrumental w/ no vocals) that blend into each other. The second side is one song that lasts around 35 minutes. The song on the second side contains early ideas and sounds that were later used on "Sleep Around".
The second album is dubbed "the Trance-Ambient album". To me it sounds like a sound effects album. Imagine a whole album that sounds like bees and the weird sounds you hear on the "Animal Knigdom". In fact all of the weird sounds you hear on "Animal Kingdom" were directly lifted from this album. It has no song titles. This also exists on a warner bros. promo x-referance cassette. I had the pleasure of listening to both of these a couple of years ago. A private collector owns both tapes and they are not circulating.It's clear that Prince's intention was to deliver these albums to warner to speed up the fulfilling of his contract. Peace Big Chick | |
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BinaryJustin said: Okay - I made an imaginary cover for the Camille album.
I had previously hosted it myself but because the jpegs are so large, if everybody went and had a look, it would use up all my bandwith for the month. I tried a free webspace account at Tripod but they removed my site after two days because it also had mp3s on it, I guess... Anyway, I emailed the nice people at http://www.dawnunder.com and they are now hosting the images for me. Front: http://covers.dawnunder.c...20alt).jpg Back: http://covers.dawnunder.c...20alt).jpg Please note that I haven't got any clue what the covers would have looked like but I assumed the following... 01) As the front would purportedly have a stick-figure drawn on it, I took a Prince doodle from the "Gett Off" single cover to represent Camille. 02) Parade was two colours - just black & white; Sign O' The Times was full colour but heavy on peach & black (the cassette single was plain peach with black writing too); The Black Album was simply black & peach. In keeping with the colour scheme of the period, I've created a black and peach schematic. 03) I've written the word "Prince" backwards on the front cover. I assume that if Warners had released the album, they would have wanted some form of credit to Prince. He has a habit of writing backwards too... Let me know what you think. Oh - if you do want to print them out, they will print regular-size through Photo-Shop. Sorry I'm following you from amp to the org, BinaryJustin, but I have to post this just to explain something about the Camille artwork: (I love what you did by the way - it's beautiful) Here's a quote from DMSR I googled up... Prince used the speeded-up voice again on "Housequake." He was beginning to think of the high voice as a character in its own right, an alter ego named Camille. He wanted to prepare an album of songs featuring his high voice and release it under the Camille pseudonym to see what the public would make of it. First mentioned in a line in "Shockadelica," Camille was supposed to be Prince's evil twin or the evil side of his personality. "He was thinking of battling with himself," Rogers explains. "Camille would be the artist singing the songs with the high voice. I had drawn a picture of a stick figure of a cartoon that had x's for eyes and Prince liked that idea, 'That's what we'll do. We'll call it Camille and there will be x's for the eyes.' He had this whole idea that Camille would be his competition. I don't know what happened to the Coco Boys, because that sounded like it was going to be pretty cool. All of a sudden, it was Camille." Prince has hinted that the name was inspired by Herculine Barbin, a famous nineteenth-century hermaphrodite who was nicknamed Camille. He was raised as a female but ruled to be a male in his twenties. [This message was edited Tue Mar 11 17:41:40 PST 2003 by Jestyr] | |
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Jestyr said: Rogers explains. "Camille would be the artist singing the songs with the high voice. I had drawn a picture of a stick figure of a cartoon that had x's for eyes and Prince liked that idea, 'That's what we'll do. We'll call it Camille and there will be x's for the eyes.'
Damn! Oh well, I can add "x"s for eyes at some point this week. I always thought that the Camille name may have come about by an associate of his mis-hearing "Love Or $". Its the first time he used the sped-up voice and just after Prince, Wendy & Lisa sing "Never gonna cut our hair" a really slowed-down voice says: "Come here and let me cut your hair". Now, what if somebody heard the line as "Camille, let me cut your hair"? They may have asked Prince why he was calling himself Camille. Prince may have realised that "Camille" is French for "Prince" and also a feminine name. He may have filed it to the back of his mind for later use. I dunno - I'm just summising. The stuff about the hermaphrodite may have been propagated by him at a later date to make his choice of name appear more cerebral. | |
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BinaryJustin said: JonSnow said: I have to say I really have new appreciation for all of these tracks - especially ROTF.
The only track which seems (slightly) out of place is "Strange Relationship" and I can't put my finger on why. But yeah - after burning it to a CDR, it is now officially my favourite Prince album. You did a good,good thing,BJ!Thanks "I'm a pig..so,magic elixir I swill" | |
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BigChick said: With regard to a 1994 unreleased Techno album. It is not called "New World" nor does it contain "51 hours" or loose". There exists 2 seperate individual albums of unreleased electronic(techno) Material. The first is the techno album. The title of the album is over forty words long and the first word is Ultra. It exists on a Warner bros. promo x-reference cassette. The first side contains 3 songs(instrumental w/ no vocals) that blend into each other. The second side is one song that lasts around 35 minutes. The song on the second side contains early ideas and sounds that were later used on "Sleep Around".
The second album is dubbed "the Trance-Ambient album". To me it sounds like a sound effects album. Imagine a whole album that sounds like bees and the weird sounds you hear on the "Animal Knigdom". In fact all of the weird sounds you hear on "Animal Kingdom" were directly lifted from this album. It has no song titles. This also exists on a warner bros. promo x-referance cassette. I had the pleasure of listening to both of these a couple of years ago. A private collector owns both tapes and they are not circulating.It's clear that Prince's intention was to deliver these albums to warner to speed up the fulfilling of his contract. Peace Big Chick Hey,thanks for the info.I was curious about this mysterious,mid-90s techno project.I always assumed that songs like "Human Body" and "New World" evolved from this project.Thanks for clearing this up for me. | |
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There was also "The TORA TORA Experience"
from '94/'95. It was gonna include '(Lemme See Your Body) Get Loose!' amongst others. So it's possible that this was the same as (or an extension of) the 'techno' album project. | |
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I thank god that he never released a techno album. None of his "techno songs" do anything for me whatsoever. | |
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CrozzaUK said: I thank god that he never released a techno album. None of his "techno songs" do anything for me whatsoever.
I like Loose, and The Human Body is pretty good once it gets going, but there's no way those tracks could be considered 'techno'  --------------------
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