Prince likes to cover a lot of other people's songs, but is really stingy about his own music being covered-- why is that?

Prince has a double standard on everything.

I think that he has issues with people making a name/career for themselves by covering his songs. Especially if they dont play instruments and such. I think he likens it to 'sampling.' If you have already been established and recognized I dont think he has issues with that. So jerkoffs like Ginuine are probably on the 'please dont' list for him.

however..if you're a PYT?.......(that's where a double standard applies lol)

NouveauDance said:

Prince has a double standard on everything.

That

If someone makes a career because of one of Prince's songs (and people forget that Prince actually wrote it), especially when that someone is not really a creative musician, I get his point.

Paying tribute to him (live) is something different and I don't think he has a problem with that.

NouveauDance said:

Prince has a double standard on everything.

You speaketh the truth.

NouveauDance: nail on head

No.

it depends on who is covering the song. for exsample if chaka wanted to cover another song

i bet she would get the go ahead. same thing with stevie.

but if some one like lil wayne or t-pain wanted cover a track i think he would say no.

its about the respect he has for a indivisuals talent and what the final product would sound like.

you cant hate on him fo not allowing someone to cover his song that would not do it justice.

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NouveauDance said:

Prince has a double standard on everything.

I'm forced 2 agree..............

From my understanding, his issue with people covering his songs on a record is that no one asked his permission to be able to record his material. That's why he had issue's with Clive Davis (Whitney covering Chaka (Chaka was mad, Chaka was real mad, lol) and Alicia covering him, and even Chaka covered his song and of course Sinead O'Connor, I guess they never got his permission so to speak. This is one of many of his gripes as far as the artist being able to have full control over their material.

PurpleRayven said:

From my understanding, his issue with people covering his songs on a record is that no one asked his permission to be able to record his material. That's why he had issue's with Clive Davis (Whitney covering Chaka (Chaka was mad, Chaka was real mad, lol) and Alicia covering him, and even Chaka covered his song and of course Sinead O'Connor, I guess they never got his permission so to speak. This is one of many of his gripes as far as the artist being able to have full control over their material.

Those are legit gripes in my book.

PurpleRayven said:

From my understanding, his issue with people covering his songs on a record is that no one asked his permission to be able to record his material. That's why he had issue's with Clive Davis (Whitney covering Chaka (Chaka was mad, Chaka was real mad, lol) and Alicia covering him, and even Chaka covered his song and of course Sinead O'Connor, I guess they never got his permission so to speak. This is one of many of his gripes as far as the artist being able to have full control over their material.

The fact is, no one needs permission to cover a song, unless the arrangement is going to be drastically changed.

But it does point out the double standard. He became extremely friendly with Chaka and Sinead after they had covered his songs without permission. And you can bet that Alicia Keys didn't have permission to cover How Come U Don't Call Me Anymore when it showed up on her album, but he obviously has no beef with her and she was a nobody when she did it, illustrating the sweet young thing bias that rdhull pointed out.

He picks and chooses when to get sand in his vagina on a case by case basis, I guess.

Anyone think Prince asked Tommy James if he could cover Crimson & Clover? Or anyone else when he's decided to release covers of their songs, for that matter?

NouveauDance said:

Prince has a double standard on everything.

I have to agree, even if I feel bad about it. Bcuz I like the man much . But the truth is the truth, & the truth is, its always "if" & "when" & "how" with Prince, he's so...I'm not sure how to explain it, but all I can say is "if" he feels it fits. and depending on "how & when" its done, then he can find away to make it acceptable for his life/career.

KidOmega said:

PurpleRayven said:

From my understanding, his issue with people covering his songs on a record is that no one asked his permission to be able to record his material. That's why he had issue's with Clive Davis (Whitney covering Chaka (Chaka was mad, Chaka was real mad, lol) and Alicia covering him, and even Chaka covered his song and of course Sinead O'Connor, I guess they never got his permission so to speak. This is one of many of his gripes as far as the artist being able to have full control over their material.

The fact is, no one needs permission to cover a song, unless the arrangement is going to be drastically changed.

But it does point out the double standard. He became extremely friendly with Chaka and Sinead after they had covered his songs without permission. And you can bet that Alicia Keys didn't have permission to cover How Come U Don't Call Me Anymore when it showed up on her album, but he obviously has no beef with her and she was a nobody when she did it, illustrating the sweet young thing bias that rdhull pointed out.

He picks and chooses when to get sand in his vagina on a case by case basis, I guess.

Anyone think Prince asked Tommy James if he could cover Crimson & Clover? Or anyone else when he's decided to release covers of their songs, for that matter?

That is why I mentioned Clive Davis in particular, cuz if I remember correctly, he did not have a personal beef with Alicia per se, his issue was with Clive as far as her covering his song w/o getting an ok from P. As far as the double standard goes with the ladies, do we really think he would ever let Andy cover Purple Rain/Kiss/Take me W/U on her album (unless he had full control), I don't really think so.

As far as him covering songs of other artist, how do we know that he didn't get their permission? I think there is a big difference between doing a cover song live vs recording a cover song for a mass audience.

Double standard? Probably somewhat, it's Prince after all, but I would like to believe that any song he covered on an album, he got permission.

Let me just say,I've been wanting to do this thread for a while now,so, thank you!

I know Prince covered a few songs on Emancipation, but the difference is that Prince was moreso paying homage to the great songs of the past, rather than trying to build his career on the backs of their music. For instance on Betcha By Golly Wow, he says,

Baby, sometime
A man can't find words 2 express all the things he feels inside
But every just so often
The words of another who's truly in love seem 2 work out fine

Prince was already a legend by all accounts before he started covering songs. I think he thinks some of these younger artists are just lazy. And he's right.

But hold up...there is a studio version of Prince singing "All Along the Watchtower" and "Best of You"? How did I miss that?

Is his issue with those who record his songs written under WB for a profit?

NouveauDance said:

Prince has a double standard on everything.

He really does. Although I can somewhat understand with this...it's takes a lot of creativity and/or talent to do justice to do a Prince song right; especially the 80s stuff where his signature linn beats and synths are so prevalent.

You don't need his permission to cover any of his songs. What you do need permission for is if you were to sample it or make a derviative work.

rdhull said:

I think that he has issues with people making a name/career for themselves by covering his songs. Especially if they dont play instruments and such. I think he likens it to 'sampling.' If you have already been established and recognized I dont think he has issues with that. So jerkoffs like Ginuine are probably on the 'please dont' list for him.

however..if you're a PYT?.......(that's where a double standard applies lol)

... co-sign and yep

Simple-cuz people fuck up his songs There are only four Prince covers that are actually done right: Do Me Baby/Melisa Morgan, How Come U Don't Call Me Anymore/Alicia Keys, I Feel For U/Chaka Khan and Nothing Compares to U/Sinead O'connor with her crazy ass

He doesn't want his songs sampled by hip hop or any other genre. He wants to keep his music unique.

It can have pros and cons. In the end, it's his music and his choice.

ThruTheEyesOfWonder said:

He doesn't want his songs sampled by hip hop or any other genre. He wants to keep his music unique.

It can have pros and cons. In the end, it's his music and his choice.

exactly

Them wishy washy Geminis,,,,,

Serious said:

NouveauDance said:

Prince has a double standard on everything.

That

Cuz the People wants to cover his songs, And They End Blowing them Up, For example: Bambi- Guns N roses. The truly Fucked up that song, And I'm fan of guns n roses!

On the other hand, Prince he Knows Plenty well how to do a Cover! I like His cover of Whole Lotta love way better than The original Of Led zeppelin, And Crimson and Clover Almost Made Me Wet my pants the First time I Heard It...

PD: I have a Very Weak Bladder... xD

GIOShokadelica said:

On the other hand, Prince he Knows Plenty well how to do a Cover! I like His cover of Whole Lotta love way better than The original Of Led zeppelin,

Don't say that baby.

ThruTheEyesOfWonder said:

He doesn't want his songs sampled by hip hop or any other genre. He wants to keep his music unique.

It can have pros and cons. In the end, it's his music and his choice.

So why does he sample other peoples music then?

ThruTheEyesOfWonder said:

He doesn't want his songs sampled by hip hop or any other genre. He wants to keep his music unique.

It can have pros and cons. In the end, it's his music and his choice.

Except its not his choice at all! Do people read a thread?

ANYONE can cover ANY song without permission, unless they are significantly altering it.

Samples have to be cleared with the owner of the work.

There is a massive difference between covering a song live and putting it out for sale on an album or single.

Prince doesn't like the fact that his songs can be covered without his permission. That's his beef and rightly so. If someone has a hit with his song, but they had permission from him, he's not going to have a problem (like Chaka and Sinead). However, if they have a hit and he wasn't asked, or its a new artist establishing themselves with his (or someone else's) work then that's not really right, is it?

Fury said:

Foo Fighters 'Have No Idea' Why Prince Covered Their Song At Super Bowl February 08 2007 | James Montgomery If you were among the 90 million or so Americans who tuned in to Super Bowl XLI, you were no doubt left with a few questions to go along with your Monday morning hangover: Is Rex Grossman just Neil O'Donnell reincarnated? Do people honestly find Carlos Mencia funny? And what was Prince doing working a version of the Foo Fighters' "Best of You" into his high-octane halftime set? Well, we may not have the answers to all those quandaries — though we do suggest guzzling some Pedialyte to cure that crippling crapulence. But we can try to get to the bottom of the whole Prince/Foo thing, the roots of which actually reach all the way back to 2003, when the Foos recorded a version of the Purple One's scandalous "Darling Nikki" (from his breakout 1984 album, Purple Rain) and released it as a B-side on the Australian version of their "Have It All" single. Though it may have only been intended for our friends Down Under, the Foos' version of "Nikki" actually began to accumulate radio play here in the States and even became a set-closing staple at Foo Fighters shows in 2004. "Whenever we finish an album [in this case, the band's 2002 effort, One by One], we just think it's fun to do a couple of covers," Foo drummer Taylor Hawkins explained. "Dave loved 'Darling Nikki' because it was really funky. And so we just recorded our version in my garage, and somehow it ended up getting played on radio — which was weird, because we just did it as a sort of joke." And while the band — and its fans — yukked it up, Prince was less than pleased, telling Entertainment Weekly that he didn't appreciate the Foos (or anyone else) covering his work, and that Grohl and company should "write [their] own tunes." "We wanted to put it out here in the States, but Prince wouldn't let us," Hawkins said. "I heard that he didn't like our version. Or maybe he just didn't like us doing it." Fast-forward nearly three years to January 29, when a studio version of Prince melding a version of "All Along the Watchtower" with the Foos' "Best of You" made its worldwide debut on Howard Stern's Sirius satellite radio show. Reportedly sent to Stern by someone in Prince's camp, the mash-up was greeted with enthusiasm by not just Stern ("I got chills"), but a large portion of the blogosphere too. So when Prince took the glyph-shaped stage at Miami's ProPlayer Stadium during halftime on Sunday, it seemed rather likely that he'd be performing the tunes — and he did, working both numbers into a jam-packed medley that also included Prince's "Let's Go Crazy" and "Baby I'm a Star" and Creedence Clearwater Revival's "Proud Mary." But it also raised a series of questions — chief among them, was Prince covering the Foos because he's a fan or because he was firing a return salvo over the bow of the S.S. Foo? "Dude, I have no idea why he did it, but I'd love to find out," Hawkins laughed. "I mean, the thought went through my head that maybe he was doing it as a sort of 'F--- you' to us, or maybe he really likes the song. Either way, it was pretty amazing to have a guy like Prince covering one of our songs — and actually doing it better than we did." Hawkins said he was clueless about Prince's plans to work "Best of You" into his Super Bowl set. "I was watching the game at our producer Nick Raskulinecz's house, and since he's doing the new Rush album, all the guys from the band were there," he said. "I mean, I'm outside smoking a cigarette with [Rush drummer] Neil Peart and someone sticks their head outside and goes, 'Uh, dude, Prince is doing your song.' " Hawkins said he hasn't heard from anyone in Prince's camp about the cover (neither has MTV News, which made several attempts to contact him about his Super Bowl medley). Hawkins said the entire band is thrilled — if a little puzzled — by the cover. And with the Foos in the very early stages of work on a new album, there's always the possibility of the band firing up the tribute machine one more time, trying to rankle Prince again. "We're just getting started on a new album, just demoing and stuff right now," Hawkins said. "But maybe we'll get cracking on a version of 'Purple Rain' to see if maybe he'll hate it even more." http://m.mtv.com/news/art...mp;cid=300

Did you post this to prove a point? If so, what's your point?