It's way too easy to create music for the mainstream "artists", IMO.

An "artist" does not need to be a creative "genius" like Prince to have a "hit" and to be a huge "name".. (and to become even huger than Prince in the media, hmmmm?).

What is a bit terrifying,

these socalled "artists" with not much talents are out doing Prince and other "older" actually skilled but maybe "old-fashioned" musicians.

The music scene today is actually rather awful IMO:

The newer music, which is dominant on the radio is all about computer programming. Noone cares to actually play any instruments anymore.

"Real music by real musicians", well this ain't on the radio in 2012, is it?

When I am liststening to the radio, watching music television..... noone gives recoqnition to "old-fashioned musicians" like Prince anymore... Prince is OLD, not interesting today.

To most younger music fans, Prince is out dated... he belongs to the old 1980s, to them/ young music lovers, he is a dinosaur and "washed up" long time ago.

Just.. how sad is this, because Prince is actually one of the most skilled musicians still alive today. Prince never gets any recognition for his music anymore... isn't this a bit sad..

Let's face it, Prince is not a major force anymore, his music still means a lot... to a very small minority, isn't that the truth? And this minority of fans/ followers just gets smaller and smaller as the time goes by.

IMO: Prince desperately needs a hit record, but will he ever be able... looking at the music scene of today?

In case of distribution and marketing: HOW can he compete with those non-talent "stars" on the radio?

It's way too easy to create music for the mainstream "artists", IMO.

For real.

An "artist" does not need to be a creative "genius" like Prince to have a "hit" and to be a huge "name".. (and to become even huger than Prince in the media, hmmmm?).

To be honest, it's always been like that.

What is a bit terrifying,

Not really. Most people don't take it too seriously.

these socalled "artists" with not much talents are out doing Prince and other "older" actually skilled but maybe "old-fashioned" musicians.

They aren't outdoing Prince in any other sense than in the amount of young people they are attracting to their music. Most of those young people aren't even interested in paying for the music they listen to.

The music scene today is actually rather awful IMO:

You're hardly alone with that view.

The newer music, which is dominant on the radio is all about computer programming. Noone cares to actually play any instruments anymore.

To be fair, Prince was one of the artists that popularized programming in pop music.

"Real music by real musicians", well this ain't on the radio in 2012, is it?

Depends on what radio station you are listening to. Stop listening to radio stations you don't want to listen to.

When I am liststening to the radio, watching music television..... noone gives recoqnition to "old-fashioned musicians" like Prince anymore... Prince is OLD, not interesting today.

People are giving recognition to "old-fashioned musicians" all the time. What's annoying is that the current big names are associated with the old established artists on very feeble grounds.

To most younger music fans, Prince is out dated... he belongs to the old 1980s, to them/ young music lovers, he is a dinosaur and "washed up" long time ago.

Music fans do not think in that manner. Those people you are talking about aren't music fans.

Just.. how sad is this, because Prince is actually one of the most skilled musicians still alive today. Prince never gets any recognition for his music anymore... isn't this a bit sad..

He gets plenty of recognition. Stop basing your views entirely on sources that do not even focus on the music (such as MTV).

Let's face it, Prince is not a major force anymore, his music still means a lot... to a very small minority, isn't that the truth? And this minority of fans/ followers just gets smaller and smaller as the time goes by.

Not really. His audience has grown rather considerably during the last decade compared to how few people were following him in the late 1990s.

IMO: Prince desperately needs a hit record, but will he ever be able... looking at the music scene of today?

He doesn't desperately need a hit record. Many fans would just like him to focus a bit more on his records again.

In case of distribution and marketing: HOW can he compete with those non-talent "stars" on the radio?

He has made it clear over a decade ago that he is not interested in competing with those people.

for prince to be a commercial success he would have to play the game. the prize isn't worth the efforts needed. i don't want to see prince doing endless interviews on vacuous chatshows, or him becoming a mentor on the fucking x-factor, or doing a duet with some talentless bimbo (hi rihanna x), or prostituting his music to commercials or video games....

if folk don't get prince then it leaves him all to us!

novabrkr,

Thank you for breaking it down (cue: shhh!)

love,

Spirit

thedance,

Prince is an elder statesmen of music. It is exponentially damaging to his brand and, more importantly, to his legacy if he continues to dilute the potency of his music.

The questions remain, is he wise enough to recognise the financial, practical and emotional imperatives to preserving his true legacy? Furthermore, can he trust the right personnel to save his work? The treasure of his artistic struggle are forever buried otherwise.

I guess the real question is, does GOD forgive those who accept their own humanity, especially their foibles, growing up?

love,

Spirit

What more can be added that novabrkr didn't already say.

novabrkr has an almost similar user name to that blond, young girl that hangs out in GD. For a moment, reading his post, I though to myself: "wow, that shrew has evolved!"

I don't think " Prince desperately needs a hit record " ,he had enough hits & i don't want him 2 do

the same popular music of today, like d. guetta, usher, rihanna , katy perry etc.

His last albums sold well ( musicology, 3121 & lotusflower ),now he is an independent artist & i don't

think that he will have another monster hit...compared to rihanna or katy perry

(todays top acts , both have huge-hits & nr. 1 singles) as an independent artist his album sales are

not that bad!

He is a true legend & his music will live forever ... like Elvis, F. Sinatra, M. Jackson, Beatles , Stones

etc.

thedance said:

It's way too easy to create music for the mainstream "artists", IMO.

An "artist" does not need to be a creative "genius" like Prince to have a "hit" and to be a huge "name".. (and to become even huger than Prince in the media, hmmmm?).

What is a bit terrifying,

these socalled "artists" with not much talents are out doing Prince and other "older" actually skilled but maybe "old-fashioned" musicians.

The music scene today is actually rather awful IMO:

The newer music, which is dominant on the radio is all about computer programming. Noone cares to actually play any instruments anymore.

"Real music by real musicians", well this ain't on the radio in 2012, is it?

When I am liststening to the radio, watching music television..... noone gives recoqnition to "old-fashioned musicians" like Prince anymore... Prince is OLD, not interesting today.

To most younger music fans, Prince is out dated... he belongs to the old 1980s, to them/ young music lovers, he is a dinosaur and "washed up" long time ago.

Just.. how sad is this, because Prince is actually one of the most skilled musicians still alive today. Prince never gets any recognition for his music anymore... isn't this a bit sad..

Let's face it, Prince is not a major force anymore, his music still means a lot... to a very small minority, isn't that the truth? And this minority of fans/ followers just gets smaller and smaller as the time goes by.

IMO: Prince desperately needs a hit record, but will he ever be able... looking at the music scene of today?

In case of distribution and marketing: HOW can he compete with those non-talent "stars" on the radio?

I despise most of the radio-friendly things that are released nowadays (but on the other hand still love a lot of less known artists), but I don't want to fall in this "computers VS. instruments" trap. Some people record crap with instruments and some others record masterpieces using only computers. This "it was better before" thing is nonsense from a purely artistic point of view.

As for Prince being a major talent, I obviously agree (I wouldn't be here if I didn't) but I don't think he "needs" a hit record. He's got an audience, a rather huge one considering the sales of the Lotusflw3r package, and anyway the fact that he's not selling like Lady Gaga anymore is just logical: save Madonna and maybe U2, I don't think any major artist from the 80's or before sell that many records today. New trends rise-up, youngsters follow... That was always the case and it will always be...

Prince is still a major force by the industry's standards: his tours are massive successes, and the fact that he is able to get a deal with any major company, under his own conditions, whenever he wants, says it all. He isn't a major seller anymore for sure, but he's definitely profitable. As for recognition, he has become one of the most iconic and influential artists of our time. I can't see how he could be more recognized than he is. Sure some youngster don't know about him... They probably don't know who George Clinton, Sly Stone and Jimi Hendrix are either. Those who need to know who these people are eventually know about them. Why should we care about the others?

So in the end why do we have to be nostalgic if we still love Prince's current music? The only thing you should be is happy that your favorite artist is still around, playing live and releasing music.

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novabrkr said all I wanted to say.

Another person complaining because they are behind the times and wrapped up in nostalgia? Bye.

smoothcriminal12 said:

Another person complaining because they are behind the times and wrapped up in nostalgia? Bye.

trololloololol

uuhson said:

thedance said:

It's way too easy to create music for the mainstream "artists", IMO.

An "artist" does not need to be a creative "genius" like Prince to have a "hit" and to be a huge "name".. (and to become even huger than Prince in the media, hmmmm?).

What is a bit terrifying,

these socalled "artists" with not much talents are out doing Prince and other "older" actually skilled but maybe "old-fashioned" musicians.

The music scene today is actually rather awful IMO:

The newer music, which is dominant on the radio is all about computer programming. Noone cares to actually play any instruments anymore.

"Real music by real musicians", well this ain't on the radio in 2012, is it?

When I am liststening to the radio, watching music television..... noone gives recoqnition to "old-fashioned musicians" like Prince anymore... Prince is OLD, not interesting today.

To most younger music fans, Prince is out dated... he belongs to the old 1980s, to them/ young music lovers, he is a dinosaur and "washed up" long time ago.

Just.. how sad is this, because Prince is actually one of the most skilled musicians still alive today. Prince never gets any recognition for his music anymore... isn't this a bit sad..

Let's face it, Prince is not a major force anymore, his music still means a lot... to a very small minority, isn't that the truth? And this minority of fans/ followers just gets smaller and smaller as the time goes by.

IMO: Prince desperately needs a hit record, but will he ever be able... looking at the music scene of today?

In case of distribution and marketing: HOW can he compete with those non-talent "stars" on the radio?

lets see how katy perry and rihanna are regarded in 30 years time ?...i doubt ANYONE will remember them apart from some leather faced middle aged women in their late 40s.....do you think they will still be relevent in 2040 ?...come on...prince is regarded as a music legend.... he will always be remembered ....phone me back when rihanna has 54 uk hits and 100 million album sales worldwide and albums that are regarded by music critics as among the best ever released......prince has nothing left to prove...

Nothing new here... It was the same during his ''glory years'' when he was consistenly putting out better music than his rivals but was outsold by the likes of Michael Jackson, Madonna etc...

More sales does not equal better music. Not then & certainly not now.

thedance said:

To most younger music fans, Prince is out dated... he belongs to the old 1980s, to them/ young music lovers, he is a dinosaur and "washed up" long time ago.

Just.. how sad is this, because Prince is actually one of the most skilled musicians still alive today. Prince never gets any recognition for his music anymore... isn't this a bit sad..

I haven't ready any of the replies yet, but as I'm sure someone has already said, these statements are incorrect. Prince has been recognized with Grammys, an R&R Hall Of Fame Induction, a #2 Hit on the Billboard album charts in 2009, a #1 album in the US in 2006, millions of albums sold since 2004, etc...

Not all young people listen to [just] Justin Bieber and Lady Gaga... I would say not even the majority. Nobody I know around my age (late teens/early 20s) listens to that kind of music. Most of them listen to rock music, and some listen to older artists like Prince and MJ, and even older artists, like The Beatles and Bob Dylan..

No troll here, I tried to be serious:

The reason why I made this thread is -- I would to see Prince:

- make a huge impact again, not only being followed by a very small "cult",

- not be forgotten - yet, -- touching a lot of people's hearts with good music, (well what IS the definition of "Good music", anyway..?)...

But in short I would love Prince to make a difference with his studio music, to be a force again, at least I would love to see him try making some rec deal/ make some difference. And yes I agree - I am maybe a bit too nostalgic living in the past, when I suggest this.

He is about to be forgotten, imo that's such a shame, when he is so f*cking skilled as a musician.

Question is how can Prince compete in the "business" today, when Bieber and his likes of socalled "stars" are dominant, how can Prince get his music out without a major rec company or music downloads from a homepage.. = 2 things Prince isn't too happy with, right?

About Grammys and other awards: IIRC... Adele has just won 6 Grammys in 1 show, Prince has won 7 (only 7).. and that's in a very very loong career over 4 decades.... I don't know why I am mentioning Adele, she is skilled too, I could mention Alicia Keys - also skilled - or others winning a bunch of Grammys, I don't think Prince is actually getting the praise he deserves, when you think about the Grammys: some won for Purple Rain, but zero were given to Sign O The Times.....

This thread is trying to debate thing, no troll, but it's rather obvious that I live in the past when it comes to Prince, I just don't want him to become "forgotten".. he should be better than that.

--- this is a rahter long reply, sorry bout that

Prince could have an organized marketing and lobbying machine, but he doesn't. I think your devotion to his legacy is nice, but the shift you're wishing for won't happen until he makes it a priority in his day-to-day operations.

The difficulty in maintaining industry traction might also have something to do with his bridge-burning ways. He's not known for being the easiest character to work with, to put it mildly.

The industry appears to esteem some things higher than genius.

thedance said:

No troll here, I tried to be serious:

The reason why I made this thread is -- I would to see Prince:

- make a huge impact again, not only being followed by a very small "cult",

- not be forgotten - yet, -- touching a lot of people's hearts with good music, (well what IS the definition of "Good music", anyway..?)...

But in short I would love Prince to make a difference with his studio music, to be a force again, at least I would love to see him try making some rec deal/ make some difference. And yes I agree - I am maybe a bit too nostalgic living in the past, when I suggest this.

He is about to be forgotten, imo that's such a shame, when he is so f*cking skilled as a musician.

Question is how can Prince compete in the "business" today, when Bieber and his likes of socalled "stars" are dominant, how can Prince get his music out without a major rec company or music downloads from a homepage.. = 2 things Prince isn't too happy with, right?

About Grammys and other awards: IIRC... Adele has just won 6 Grammys in 1 show, Prince has won 7 (only 7).. and that's in a very very loong career over 4 decades.... I don't know why I am mentioning Adele, she is skilled too, I could mention Alicia Keys - also skilled - or others winning a bunch of Grammys, I don't think Prince is actually getting the praise he deserves, when you think about the Grammys: some won for Purple Rain, but zero were given to Sign O The Times.....

This thread is trying to debate thing, no troll, but it's rather obvious that I live in the past when it comes to Prince, I just don't want him to become "forgotten".. he should be better than that.

--- this is a rahter long reply, sorry bout that

everybody has their time ...the singles market you seem to be talking about has always been a teen market....thats why once you are over 40 ...its very difficult to have hit singles...unless you are madonna chasing the latest trends and hot producers...you do realise that prince is still selling millions of albums ...still having number one albums and playing to hundreds of thousands in concerts all over the world ?...just because he isnt having big hits on the teen top 40 doesnt mean he isnt washed up or relevent..he just isnt relevent to teens of today...and it would be a shock if he was...

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the difference is that prince's place in music history is assured...he will not ''forgotten'' because he is an important part in music history...lets see if any of todays stars become part of that....the only one i think will be remembered is lady ga ga.....the grammys really dont mean very much...david bowie and the beatles never got any during the 60s and 70s if my memory serves me right so they really dont mean very much...

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thedance said:

It's way too easy to create music for the mainstream "artists", IMO.

An "artist" does not need to be a creative "genius" like Prince to have a "hit" and to be a huge "name".. (and to become even huger than Prince in the media, hmmmm?).

What is a bit terrifying,

these socalled "artists" with not much talents are out doing Prince and other "older" actually skilled but maybe "old-fashioned" musicians.

The music scene today is actually rather awful IMO:

The newer music, which is dominant on the radio is all about computer programming. Noone cares to actually play any instruments anymore.

"Real music by real musicians", well this ain't on the radio in 2012, is it?

When I am liststening to the radio, watching music television..... noone gives recoqnition to "old-fashioned musicians" like Prince anymore... Prince is OLD, not interesting today.

To most younger music fans, Prince is out dated... he belongs to the old 1980s, to them/ young music lovers, he is a dinosaur and "washed up" long time ago.

Just.. how sad is this, because Prince is actually one of the most skilled musicians still alive today. Prince never gets any recognition for his music anymore... isn't this a bit sad..

Let's face it, Prince is not a major force anymore, his music still means a lot... to a very small minority, isn't that the truth? And this minority of fans/ followers just gets smaller and smaller as the time goes by.

IMO: Prince desperately needs a hit record, but will he ever be able... looking at the music scene of today?

In case of distribution and marketing: HOW can he compete with those non-talent "stars" on the radio?

When it comes to stardom, there's this window of opportunity that lasts for only so long. It's very very few who were able to keep that momentum up. Most people who take on a career in music don't make a lot of money or have ever made a hit song; there's really no money in it and people have gone bankrupt trying to go for stardom instead of working your way inside and seeing the nuts and bolts of it.

But I think Prince gets a LOT of recognition as a performer and influence. He just doesn't make the rounds bragging about it. But every now and then, someone very well known namedrops him.

I think it's fine if he winds up playing theaters for the rest of his life, but if he has a lot of people in the band, and wants to have the room to move around, he needs the arena to be able to handle that.

Since when, in popular music, HASN'T what's new replaced what's old and been more popular?

And there's never been a time when there weren't people saying "today's music sucks, I prefer the stuff from 10 to 20 to 30 years ago"

It's the nature of popular music. And the same reason that when Prince and his contemporaries came along, young people latched onto it because it was new and it was different, and older people didn't understand it and wanted their classic '60s and '70s rock back.

its been 25 years since paul mccarteny last had a top ten hit...cant remember the last time bruce springsteen had a top ten hit....bob dylan...the list is endless...

Most music is revisited somewhere in time. It may be after most or all of us are gone, but Prince will always be remembered as one of the best to ever grace a stage with sound.

FunkySideEffects said:

DreZone said:

FunkySideEffects said:

It's sad because Prince has alot of potential to rule the music scene, he lets his songs & his fans down by refusing to embrace new technology ie Internet. He still looks awesome, he's the whole package really!!

Is this the same Prince who prominently helped to popularised the then thriving electronic music era of the Linn drum machine... Or even introduced the notion of a podcast, long before it became passe? Prince don't need to compete with the music of today, he is already secured as a legend - and very few are in that class. 'dre