angel345 said: What happened to guitarist Jennifer Batten? I remembered her from the 'Bad' tour, and looking plus listening to older videos, he appeared to have a better musical chemistry with the band in the 'Bad' tour era.

Batten played lead and rhythm guitar on Michael Jackson's Bad (1987), Dangerous (1992) and HIStory(1996) world tours,

as well as his 1993 Super Bowl half-time performance.

Between 1994 and 1999 Batten joined Dave Rodgers and Domino as featured guitarist on the eurobeat songs "Sun City", "Music For the People", "Fly" and "Woa Woa Woa." Her writing and performing is uncredited in several other songs under the A-Beat C label. Her live Eurobeat appearances were limited to playing at the Tokyo Dome with Dave Rodgers and Queen of Hearts.

In 2010 she recorded a solo for the song "Bad Girls" for a Polish singer Doda.

Jennifer Batten Official Homepage

Jennifer Batten (@mondocongo) @ Twitter

harbars said:

ricky lawson, greg phillinganes, david williams, jennifer batten, don boyette.

yeah, a real shitty band that! they all just suck!!!

Sheryl Crow, (Siedah Garrett), Darryl Phinnessee, Kevin Dorsey, Dorian Holley, John Clark

Shango said:

MJ's keyboardist Greg Phillinganes and drummer Ricky Lawson (both musical directors) aren't some unknown and inexperienced musicians from the industry. Pink Floyd's performances are known for the quality in sonic sound and maybe Gilmour raises that bar quite high when examining shows for other artists. Gilmour was interviewed in September 1990, so it's more than likely that he visted the second leg of the Bad Tour in the US, which ended somewhere in 1989. That's the tour on which Michael sang live most of the time. Iirc, his voice got problems during the Bad Tour, keeping in mind that intensive touring from 1987 to 1989 can take a serious toll, combined with the dancing. If you watch and hear "Wanna Be Startin' Something" at the first show in Japan, you'll hear him perform a flawless version of the song.

he only sang live during the first leg of the tour in japan. whilst floyd toured the world at that time and he could have potentially seen him in a number of countries, it's more likely he saw him in the UK, and during that second leg he was miming. it's not just the miming, it's the cheesy stage show, the awful thriller routine etc. the floyds show was something else entirely, with one of the most amazing lightshows, whilst the band played the full set live and improvised each night

Shango said:

angel345 said: What happened to guitarist Jennifer Batten? I remembered her from the 'Bad' tour, and looking plus listening to older videos, he appeared to have a better musical chemistry with the band in the 'Bad' tour era.

Batten played lead and rhythm guitar on Michael Jackson's Bad (1987), Dangerous (1992) and HIStory(1996) world tours,

as well as his 1993 Super Bowl half-time performance.

Between 1994 and 1999 Batten joined Dave Rodgers and Domino as featured guitarist on the eurobeat songs "Sun City", "Music For the People", "Fly" and "Woa Woa Woa." Her writing and performing is uncredited in several other songs under the A-Beat C label. Her live Eurobeat appearances were limited to playing at the Tokyo Dome with Dave Rodgers and Queen of Hearts.

In 2010 she recorded a solo for the song "Bad Girls" for a Polish singer Doda.

Jennifer Batten Official Homepage

Jennifer Batten (@mondocongo) @ Twitter

harbars said:

ricky lawson, greg phillinganes, david williams, jennifer batten, don boyette.

yeah, a real shitty band that! they all just suck!!!

Sheryl Crow, (Siedah Garrett), Darryl Phinnessee, Kevin Dorsey, Dorian Holley, John Clark

yes they were a shitty band

you see a great band isn't just a bunch of great musicians. a great band is a bunch of musicians working well together. MJ's band is a good example of a shitty band comprising of some great artists

those guys were paid to play. they weren't paid to work together, to jam together, to improvise with each other, they were paid to play set music in a set way, the same every night. doing that is not interesting or inpiring, thus why the shows lacked some. no solos, no improvisation. someone copying eddie van halens contribution to a record is not soloing, it's not interesting

take the floyd, whilst they had a basic set and would make amendments to the set list each night, they would still improvise during shows to keep things interesting, not so much for the audience but for themselves. they would jam at soundchecks, and they also played some club gigs playing covers and improvisations. pink floyd playing i heard it through the grape vine and born under a bad sign, respect and stuff like that. one of the biggest bands of all time playing club gigs. you never once had MJ or even his band do that

that's also what keeps things interesting for prince, his band and his fans. ever changing sets, improvisations and club gigs, and all live, no miming. no two gigs the same

and when you hear people saying MJ had problems during "intensive touring", it's just a fucking joke when compared to the tour schedules of pink floyd or prince, with far longer shows, all live performance and singing all the way through. in a single year floyd played close to the number of solo shows MJ did in his life

unique said:

Shango said:

MJ's keyboardist Greg Phillinganes and drummer Ricky Lawson (both musical directors) aren't some unknown and inexperienced musicians from the industry. Pink Floyd's performances are known for the quality in sonic sound and maybe Gilmour raises that bar quite high when examining shows for other artists. Gilmour was interviewed in September 1990, so it's more than likely that he visted the second leg of the Bad Tour in the US, which ended somewhere in 1989. That's the tour on which Michael sang live most of the time. Iirc, his voice got problems during the Bad Tour, keeping in mind that intensive touring from 1987 to 1989 can take a serious toll, combined with the dancing. If you watch and hear "Wanna Be Startin' Something" at the first show in Japan, you'll hear him perform a flawless version of the song.

he only sang live during the first leg of the tour in japan. whilst floyd toured the world at that time and he could have potentially seen him in a number of countries, it's more likely he saw him in the UK, and during that second leg he was miming. it's not just the miming, it's the cheesy stage show, the awful thriller routine etc. the floyds show was something else entirely, with one of the most amazing lightshows, whilst the band played the full set live and improvised each night

All Bad Tour concerts were performed live at least 80%, so what are you talking about?? Take your cotton wool from your ears.

I have many claims to the "live" performances of MJ in the 90's, but in the 80's he was a terrific performer. Few artists in the world able to perform at his level.

very nice

LiLi1992 said:

unique said:

he only sang live during the first leg of the tour in japan. whilst floyd toured the world at that time and he could have potentially seen him in a number of countries, it's more likely he saw him in the UK, and during that second leg he was miming. it's not just the miming, it's the cheesy stage show, the awful thriller routine etc. the floyds show was something else entirely, with one of the most amazing lightshows, whilst the band played the full set live and improvised each night

All Bad Tour concerts were performed live at least 80%, so what are you talking about?? Take your cotton wool from your ears.

I have many claims to the "live" performances of MJ in the 90's, but in the 80's he was a terrific performer. Few artists in the world able to perform at his level.

so that's 20% miming if your figures are right

unique said:

Shango said:

Sheryl Crow, (Siedah Garrett), Darryl Phinnessee, Kevin Dorsey, Dorian Holley, John Clark

yes they were a shitty band

you see a great band isn't just a bunch of great musicians. a great band is a bunch of musicians working well together. MJ's band is a good example of a shitty band comprising of some great artists

those guys were paid to play. they weren't paid to work together, to jam together, to improvise with each other, they were paid to play set music in a set way, the same every night. doing that is not interesting or inpiring, thus why the shows lacked some. no solos, no improvisation. someone copying eddie van halens contribution to a record is not soloing, it's not interesting

take the floyd, whilst they had a basic set and would make amendments to the set list each night, they would still improvise during shows to keep things interesting, not so much for the audience but for themselves. they would jam at soundchecks, and they also played some club gigs playing covers and improvisations. pink floyd playing i heard it through the grape vine and born under a bad sign, respect and stuff like that. one of the biggest bands of all time playing club gigs. you never once had MJ or even his band do that

that's also what keeps things interesting for prince, his band and his fans. ever changing sets, improvisations and club gigs, and all live, no miming. no two gigs the same

and when you hear people saying MJ had problems during "intensive touring", it's just a fucking joke when compared to the tour schedules of pink floyd or prince, with far longer shows, all live performance and singing all the way through. in a single year floyd played close to the number of solo shows MJ did in his life

And do they dance, too? Name one artist or group that was able to accomplish both singing and choreographic dancing at the same time in all of their gigs.

All the Bad concerts were live in the 80's. During the legs with more songs from the Bad album, some of the Bad album tracks were mimed, but not the non album ones. That's what the 80-20 figure was.

unique said:

LiLi1992 said:

All Bad Tour concerts were performed live at least 80%, so what are you talking about?? Take your cotton wool from your ears.

I have many claims to the "live" performances of MJ in the 90's, but in the 80's he was a terrific performer. Few artists in the world able to perform at his level.

so that's 20% miming if your figures are right

I do not know exactly, but the maximum amount of lip-synching the songs - it was 3: part Man in the Mirror, Bad and Smooth criminal (there is so high notes and sharp transitions, I very much doubt that it`s possible to sing this song live good, it's very complicated vocal). What are the songs he was miming, except I have mentioned?

High notes are not hard to sing or transition to if you have had vocal training though if you're dancing at the same time....

alphastreet said:

All the Bad concerts were live in the 80's. During the legs with more songs from the Bad album, some of the Bad album tracks were mimed, but not the non album ones. That's what the 80-20 figure was.

no, only the japanese gigs were completely live. every single solo show he did after that included miming

and as you later point out, it's not hard to sing and dance if you have training. you don't see prince miming or getting out of breath and shouting after he's been running about the stage and flipped upside down by the game boyz

or just simple control, so if you can't pull off the two at the same time, do the energetic movements at the times you aren't singing, so you aren't shouting the lyrics

being a good singer requires more than a good voice, it's voice control too, and that's what MJ lacked in his live performances. in the studio you could cut together umpteen takes to make a completed track, and that's what he did, but on stage you have one shot and he couldn't pull it off so used tapes

but we don't even know if that's what gilmour was referring to. it was probably other parts of the show

alphastreet said:

High notes are not hard to sing or transition to if you have had vocal training though if you're dancing at the same time....

do not agree.
transition to such a high note, as in this song, very, very difficult. You can ask it in any vocal coach.
This is a very difficult song vocally.
You can watch the video where Michael records We are the world in the studio, in this song his voice is not as high, but he was able to take notes only after 5 or 6 times. MJ would have never pulled smooth criminal live, very few vocalists of the highest level would be able to pull

unique, you wrote in one of the threads that MJ - one of the worst performers of all time,

it is obvious that you do not love him and his performances, so we initially looked at some things a little differently.
I think he was the best live solo performer in the 80's, just some rock bands (Queen, Pink Floyd, Scorpions) I put above him.
But YES in the 90s MJ concerts were not good for several reasons, the playback is only one of these reasons, he lacked energy, lacked his interest, lacked spontaneity, he was a pre-programmed. And the look is also a criteria, he was cute in the 80's and very strange looking guy in the 90s, it is also an important factor.

[Edited 2/3/12 23:58pm]

It is hard, not disagreeing, but that's what vocal warmups are for before a performance too so it makes the transitions easier, just saying....

His 90's look onstage is not too different from the Bad tour if you think about it though it's certainly not Victory, but let's not make this about looks anymore. I just brought it up cause it already was.

As for Prince, the man birdcalls

alphastreet said:

unique said:

i asked for a few reasons really. for a start he hasn't toured since about 14 years ago, so memories and nostalgia can play a part, likewise age, so if you saw a favourite artist age 16 and that was way back in 1988, a number of things can make that seem special. likewise distance from stage. you can get two reviews of a gig and those down the front thought it was great, but those at the back didn't, or vice versa. as he lip synched most of his solo tours this would be disguised better by being further back

then you have people who say X was best, but haven't seen the rest for comparison. or other variables could have influenced the result. for example front row at a radiohead gig may seem better than back row at an rem gig. or one artist may have had a particularly great gig and the other not one of their best, for example depending on what tour you saw them and what they were trying to put over on that tour. someone who is a causual listener may find the SOTT tour great, but the ONA tour boring, or be lost at the gold exp tour as they didn't know the songs, but would love a hits set. one thing that's quite common with MJ fans is the lack of knowledge and experience of other artists. many won't have even been to a single gig in their entire life from any artist, but they would say MJ was the best

I love MJ's concerts and am a fan, but I agree with your last comment, I can't relate to a lot of mj fans online cause they are too limited in their music choices and can't appreciate other great artists, and it makes them come off like they are into novelty, and almost like an insult to mj himself.

Is this a comment towards me? You have no idea who I am so dont quote me in this. If you check my facebook page you will see the long list of artists I have seen live. I have been to see literally over 100 artists live and most are major acts. There are some samll ones too but most are well known. I have been a music store manager and now owner for 20 years so I feel like I know music pretty well. Granted, Im no expert and I am sure not as diverse as most Prince fans since they all seem to be experts but I am not limited in my music. I personally think MJ puts on the best concert with the entire "show". I have Prince in my top3 or 4 also which is nothing to be ashamed of. And for the record I saw Prince when I was 16 too for the first time. DAMN that was a good year. I got to see Prince and MJ in the same year!! They were not my first concerts but they were the best I had seen at that time. I miss them both.

dandeeland said:

alphastreet said:

I love MJ's concerts and am a fan, but I agree with your last comment, I can't relate to a lot of mj fans online cause they are too limited in their music choices and can't appreciate other great artists, and it makes them come off like they are into novelty, and almost like an insult to mj himself.

Is this a comment towards me? You have no idea who I am so dont quote me in this. If you check my facebook page you will see the long list of artists I have seen live. I have been to see literally over 100 artists live and most are major acts. There are some samll ones too but most are well known. I have been a music store manager and now owner for 20 years so I feel like I know music pretty well. Granted, Im no expert and I am sure not as diverse as most Prince fans since they all seem to be experts but I am not limited in my music. I personally think MJ puts on the best concert with the entire "show". I have Prince in my top3 or 4 also which is nothing to be ashamed of. And for the record I saw Prince when I was 16 too for the first time. DAMN that was a good year. I got to see Prince and MJ in the same year!! They were not my first concerts but they were the best I had seen at that time. I miss them both.

I didn't mean you, I know not all are like that. I just meant extreme ones who act like no other artist exists. He's my all time favourite too,but there are several others in my top 5 I have seen live many times and I've been to a lot of shows, musical and non music too.

[Edited 2/4/12 0:37am]

Emancipation89 said:

Well Prince said himself MJ was one of the greatest performers ever

And the look is also a criteria, he was cute in the 80's and very strange looking guy in the 90s, it is also an important factor.

I really don't get why people care so much about the look. When it comes to performance, his look has nothing to do with it. If anything, long hair can be very useful for a dancer because it helps make the movements look more dramatic.

He looked GOOD doing it no matter what year it was, I agree. And I personally love the long hair.

dandeeland said:

unique said:

how can "michael rules live" when he spent most of his solo concert stage time miming whilst on drugs? when was the last time you say him play live? how old were you at the time, and how close to the stage were you? how many times have you seen prince live, and when was the last time?

have you actually seen pink floyd live in the flesh?

I have seen Prince 24 times. Last time in 2004. When I saw Michael I was 24, 19 and 16 I think give or take a year. I dont know what that has to do with it but there you go. I realize that people here take offense if I dont say Prince is the greatest at everything in the world and nothing else matters. I cant help it. I like what I like. Sorry bud. I think Michael is the best I have ever seen live. I dont care about the lip syncing. To me its all about the show and entertainment. When I left those shows I was blown away. I like the danceing aspect of his shows. There is noone like him and never will be another. I have Prince in my top five artists live too or else I would not have kept going back. I have to admit though im not into his live shows nowadays though. He does not seem to play anything new so I dont go see him anymore. If he ever soes another new tour of new material I will be there though. If not I am content with the number 24.

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i think the comment in bold says it all really.....sorry but mj was a great entertainer but anyone who knows what they are talking about cant seriously compare mj to prince as a live act or an artist...mj didnt even write most of his biggest album so come on...i dont want to get into a mj/prince thing but facts are facts...

dalsh327 said:

Gilmour was being a constructive critic, they shared the same record label at the time, and if anything, Pink Floyd had been playing stadiums and staging spectacles for way longer than Michael at that time. The Bad tour was really the first time he was running the show.

To me, it's a shame Michael didn't get to tour Thriller, and pretty much saw the Victory tour as the last Jacksons tour, instead of doing the solo thing for a while - then at some point, working with his brothers again.

I never knew the Victory tour caused the sale of the New England Patriots though, and once Kraft acquired them, the turnaround happened. I guess without Michael, they wouldn't be in the Super Bowl this weekend. Was funny reading about Kraft owning the Victory poster.

http://www.boston.com/spo...l_jac.html

Guy Pratt plays on Michael's "Earth Song". Not a lot of people could say they played with Pink Floyd, Madonna, and Michael.

Really fantastic video and worth watching to the end

chopingard said:

dalsh327 said:

Gilmour was being a constructive critic, they shared the same record label at the time, and if anything, Pink Floyd had been playing stadiums and staging spectacles for way longer than Michael at that time. The Bad tour was really the first time he was running the show.

To me, it's a shame Michael didn't get to tour Thriller, and pretty much saw the Victory tour as the last Jacksons tour, instead of doing the solo thing for a while - then at some point, working with his brothers again.

I never knew the Victory tour caused the sale of the New England Patriots though, and once Kraft acquired them, the turnaround happened. I guess without Michael, they wouldn't be in the Super Bowl this weekend. Was funny reading about Kraft owning the Victory poster.

http://www.boston.com/spo...l_jac.html

Guy Pratt plays on Michael's "Earth Song". Not a lot of people could say they played with Pink Floyd, Madonna, and Michael.

Really fantastic video and worth watching to the end

just proves what i thought

MJ Music was a product serviced by session musicians

and sorry...he sounds lfucking pathetic..a grown ass man hiding behind a desk??

I dont post much, I just lurk.... but I just felt the need to say this. First he was speaking from a musical standpoint. He was talking about MJs band and Princes band, NOT the show overall. This guys opinion doesnt matter in the end anyway.

Music is subjective, either you like someone or you dont. I DONT and will NEVER understand why some Prince fans on this site salivate at the mouth when someone speaks of MJ negatively or put him down, or when MJ fans go crazy because he may not be number one. IT REALLY DOESNT MATTER!!!! All that matters is that you like them. There are many different artist out there for a reason.

Also just because Prince plays an instrument and MJ doesnt, dont mean a damn thing!!! It doesnt take away the fact that Mj could compose and write songs himself. They are both artist just in different ways. Prince was more gifted in instrumentation(sp) and Mj was more gifted in the performance/visual art area. Does that mean that they couldnt do the other, NO!! They just may not be as good at it as the other person. So please just come down from the high horses and just enjoy the music.

purple05 said:

I dont post much, I just lurk.... but I just felt the need to say this. First he was speaking from a musical standpoint. He was talking about MJs band and Princes band, NOT the show overall. This guys opinion doesnt matter in the end anyway.

Music is subjective, either you like someone or you dont. I DONT and will NEVER understand why some Prince fans on this site salivate at the mouth when someone speaks of MJ negatively or put him down, or when MJ fans go crazy because he may not be number one. IT REALLY DOESNT MATTER!!!! All that matters is that you like them. There are many different artist out there for a reason.

Also just because Prince plays an instrument and MJ doesnt, dont mean a damn thing!!! It doesnt take away the fact that Mj could compose and write songs himself. They are both artist just in different ways. Prince was more gifted in instrumentation(sp) and Mj was more gifted in the performance/visual art area. Does that mean that they couldnt do the other, NO!! They just may not be as good at it as the other person. So please just come down from the high horses and just enjoy the music.

Thank you!! I never understood why Prince fans crucify you over crap. It really makes you start hating Prince because if you dont suck Prince's dick on this site you get blasted. This is the only site I have been on where the fans are just so bitter. Its crazy. I honestly see why Prince has no website and doesnt care anymore. Gheez!! Of curse this is not directed to everyone on here but you know its true. All that should matter is that their are fans here that to some extent still like him to some degree. He has pushed most of us away and alot(not all) of people on this site push others away. I definately dont blast my friends on the stuff they like(even the ones that dont like Prince at all and thats a lot) but I do try to slide Prince in on them though.

purple05 said:

I dont post much, I just lurk.... but I just felt the need to say this. First he was speaking from a musical standpoint. He was talking about MJs band and Princes band, NOT the show overall. This guys opinion doesnt matter in the end anyway.

Music is subjective, either you like someone or you dont. I DONT and will NEVER understand why some Prince fans on this site salivate at the mouth when someone speaks of MJ negatively or put him down, or when MJ fans go crazy because he may not be number one. IT REALLY DOESNT MATTER!!!! All that matters is that you like them. There are many different artist out there for a reason.

Also just because Prince plays an instrument and MJ doesnt, dont mean a damn thing!!! It doesnt take away the fact that Mj could compose and write songs himself. They are both artist just in different ways. Prince was more gifted in instrumentation(sp) and Mj was more gifted in the performance/visual art area. Does that mean that they couldnt do the other, NO!! They just may not be as good at it as the other person. So please just come down from the high horses and just enjoy the music.

Because that's their only way to reach an orgasm. Simple.

To hell that i would ever leave someone else deside for me what or who is good or bad. And i don't care what Gilmour said about the band or about Michael. What i know is that i have seen concerts of the "cool" rock, alternatives bands , for example Radiohead, the Cure, Bob Dylan, Metallica, Morrisey, etc etc and i wanted to cut my wrists from the boredom,the calculated, lifeless performans, the inability of some to sing life. Those people stood there like logs for three hours and i just wanted the whole thing to end up already. Some enjoyed their performans, i didn't. As you said music is subjective.

As for him who dig up an interview twenty+ years ago in order to prove, what, i say get a life.Or a girlfriend and stop bitching about Michael. if you don't like him, don't spend your presure time on that talentess man (according to you).

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LiLi1992 said:

alphastreet said:

High notes are not hard to sing or transition to if you have had vocal training though if you're dancing at the same time....

do not agree.
transition to such a high note, as in this song, very, very difficult. You can ask it in any vocal coach.
This is a very difficult song vocally.
You can watch the video where Michael records We are the world in the studio, in this song his voice is not as high, but he was able to take notes only after 5 or 6 times. MJ would have never pulled smooth criminal live, very few vocalists of the highest level would be able to pull

Very simple thing: if you cannot perform a song in a live concert, because it is too difficult, then you either make changes to the difficult parts or you don't perform the song. But you don't cheat on your audience by lip-synching the song.

mjpersempre said:

purple05 said:

I dont post much, I just lurk.... but I just felt the need to say this. First he was speaking from a musical standpoint. He was talking about MJs band and Princes band, NOT the show overall. This guys opinion doesnt matter in the end anyway.

Music is subjective, either you like someone or you dont. I DONT and will NEVER understand why some Prince fans on this site salivate at the mouth when someone speaks of MJ negatively or put him down, or when MJ fans go crazy because he may not be number one. IT REALLY DOESNT MATTER!!!! All that matters is that you like them. There are many different artist out there for a reason.

Also just because Prince plays an instrument and MJ doesnt, dont mean a damn thing!!! It doesnt take away the fact that Mj could compose and write songs himself. They are both artist just in different ways. Prince was more gifted in instrumentation(sp) and Mj was more gifted in the performance/visual art area. Does that mean that they couldnt do the other, NO!! They just may not be as good at it as the other person. So please just come down from the high horses and just enjoy the music.

Because that's their only way to reach an orgasm. Simple.

To hell that i would ever leave someone else deside for me what or who is good or bad. And i don't care what Gilmour said about the band or about Michael. What i know is that i have seen concerts of the "cool" rock, alternatives bands , for example Radiohead, the Cure, Bob Dylan, Metallica, Morrisey, etc etc and i wanted to cut my wrists from the boredom,the calculated, lifeless performans, the inability of some to sing life. Those people stood there like logs for three hours and i just wanted the whole thing to end up already. Some enjoyed their performans, i didn't. As you said music is subjective.

As for him who dig up an interview twenty+ years ago in order to prove, what, i say get a life.Or a girlfriend and stop bitching about Michael. if you don't like him, don't spend your presure time on that talentess man (according to you).

[Edited 2/5/12 7:32am]

Why don't you just fuck off to a Michael Jackson fansite and post about him there instead of coming to a Prince site and try to defend him here.

muirdo said:

mjpersempre said:

Because that's their only way to reach an orgasm. Simple.

To hell that i would ever leave someone else deside for me what or who is good or bad. And i don't care what Gilmour said about the band or about Michael. What i know is that i have seen concerts of the "cool" rock, alternatives bands , for example Radiohead, the Cure, Bob Dylan, Metallica, Morrisey, etc etc and i wanted to cut my wrists from the boredom,the calculated, lifeless performans, the inability of some to sing life. Those people stood there like logs for three hours and i just wanted the whole thing to end up already. Some enjoyed their performans, i didn't. As you said music is subjective.

As for him who dig up an interview twenty+ years ago in order to prove, what, i say get a life.Or a girlfriend and stop bitching about Michael. if you don't like him, don't spend your presure time on that talentess man (according to you).

[Edited 2/5/12 7:32am]

Why don't you just fuck off to a Michael Jackson fansite and post about him there instead of coming to a Prince site and try to defend him here.

Its not about defending anyone. Its about talking with some F**king sense. I cant belive that most of the people on this site are suppose to be 30+ yr old "mature adults" but then throw around insults like they a 12 yr old. If you dont like MJ for whatever reason then fine dont like him. No one is froced to like MJ, its a personal choice. Its also very stupid to bring an interview from years and years ago to try to put him down anyway. Whats the point of always bringing up the same ol sh*t over and over again?? Remeber we are not on a MJ messageboard, we are on a Prince website.

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ETA: I never understood the need to put down one artist to big up another. Its very stupid and immature. GROW THE F*UCK UP!!!!

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muirdo said:

mjpersempre said:

Because that's their only way to reach an orgasm. Simple.

To hell that i would ever leave someone else deside for me what or who is good or bad. And i don't care what Gilmour said about the band or about Michael. What i know is that i have seen concerts of the "cool" rock, alternatives bands , for example Radiohead, the Cure, Bob Dylan, Metallica, Morrisey, etc etc and i wanted to cut my wrists from the boredom,the calculated, lifeless performans, the inability of some to sing life. Those people stood there like logs for three hours and i just wanted the whole thing to end up already. Some enjoyed their performans, i didn't. As you said music is subjective.

As for him who dig up an interview twenty+ years ago in order to prove, what, i say get a life.Or a girlfriend and stop bitching about Michael. if you don't like him, don't spend your presure time on that talentess man (according to you).

[Edited 2/5/12 7:32am]

Why don't you just fuck off to a Michael Jackson fansite and post about him there instead of coming to a Prince site and try to defend him here.

Cause some of us welcome a difference of opinon. That's why he shouldn't fuck off, Cause he's adding something to the disscussion rather than just insulting him.

I love MJ I love Prince for different reasons and could argue the pluses and minuses of them both till the cows come home.

But this is not a playground and it's not about who's best it's a hopefully adult disscussion about the differences in there approach to live performance.