Actually I believe there's some truth to what he's saying about MJ's show - I've never been all that impressed with his backing bands. MJ himself yes. Them, no.

Hell, even in MJ's last band when he was planning the "This Is It" performances, the guitarist that they were hyping up and as being this extraordinary talent (Orianthi) left me totally underwhelmed.

"It" guitar solo = David Gilmour's style

"Empty Room" chord progression = climax and ending of "Comfortably Numb"

Dren5 said:

Actually I believe there's some truth to what he's saying about MJ's show - I've never been all that impressed with his backing bands. MJ himself yes. Them, no.

Hell, even in MJ's last band when he was planning the "This Is It" performances, the guitarist that they were hyping up and as being this extraordinary talent (Orianthi) left me totally underwhelmed.

What happened to guitarist Jennifer Batten? I remembered her from the 'Bad' tour, and looking plus listening to older videos, he appeared to have a better musical chemistry with the band in the 'Bad' tour era.

ricky lawson, greg phillinganes, david williams, jennifer batten, don boyette.

yeah, a real shitty band that! they all just suck!!!

but seriously, despite the "A" players they were, there was never much of real band feel with any of MJ's solo tours despite some small elements of player freedom and in certain parts some damn tight musicianship. The P comment certainly seems valid to me.

It's a shame that Gilmour didn't to elaborate on the corners he felt were cut with the bad tour show he saw in the US.

harbars said:

ricky lawson, greg phillinganes, david williams, jennifer batten, don boyette.

yeah, a real shitty band that! they all just suck!!!

but seriously, despite the "A" players they were, there was never much of real band feel with any of MJ's solo tours despite some small elements of player freedom and in certain parts some damn tight musicianship. The P comment certainly seems valid to me.

It's a shame that Gilmour didn't to elaborate on the corners he felt were cut with the bad tour show he saw in the US.

Oh well Too late for the critiques and the changes now.

I know most of you prefer MJ with his brothers, so what did you think of the Destiny, Triumph and Victory tours then?

NightGod said:

I'd love for Prince to tour and record with David.

Gilmour's open for collaborations, he did a CD with The Orb.

But what about Prince coming out to do Comfortably Numb on the Wall tour??

angel345 said:

Graycap23 said:

Kind of right? He is 100% right........but Mj fans will lose their lunch over the TRUTH.

I would't lose my lunch over this, but this question is for you and anyone. I know some musicians like Prince and Gilmour has a good ear for music. If MJ sucks so much live, why did his fans keep coming back? If it's that bad, how was he able to sell one million tickets before he passed? Some people says he sucks live, and some says he don't. Maybe it's a matter of opinion. What do you think?

To say they saw Michael Jackson in person?

MJ could have done the macarena for 3 hours straight to no music, and that shit would still sell out

unique said:

dandeeland said:

I disagree with David Gilmour. I have seen Michael 3 times and ALL three times it has been the BEST show I have ever seen topping the last. Michael rules live and even though Prince is my favorite artist Michael is the King when it comes to a live show. Just my opinion though. Gilmour is famous so his word is probably bond

how can "michael rules live" when he spent most of his solo concert stage time miming whilst on drugs? when was the last time you say him play live? how old were you at the time, and how close to the stage were you? how many times have you seen prince live, and when was the last time?

have you actually seen pink floyd live in the flesh?

I have seen Prince 24 times. Last time in 2004. When I saw Michael I was 24, 19 and 16 I think give or take a year. I dont know what that has to do with it but there you go. I realize that people here take offense if I dont say Prince is the greatest at everything in the world and nothing else matters. I cant help it. I like what I like. Sorry bud. I think Michael is the best I have ever seen live. I dont care about the lip syncing. To me its all about the show and entertainment. When I left those shows I was blown away. I like the danceing aspect of his shows. There is noone like him and never will be another. I have Prince in my top five artists live too or else I would not have kept going back. I have to admit though im not into his live shows nowadays though. He does not seem to play anything new so I dont go see him anymore. If he ever soes another new tour of new material I will be there though. If not I am content with the number 24.

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I'm a huge mj fan and went hysterical watching his tours on tape for years, but unfortunately my time to see him live never came though I came so close with the o2. I've only seen Prince perform once and he's the best living male performer now that moved me as well and he's a true showman, but I was only going crazy on and off, MJ had me going the whole time. I know that makes me sound biased, but I do like MJ's catalogue more though I'm really feeling Prince too and love how he does a little bit of everything. I guess great dancing and MJ's voice in general and loving him for his music and caring about him as a person is all a combination, and relating to the music which I do.

i guess you're just really into dancing

alphastreet said:

I'm a huge mj fan and went hysterical watching his tours on tape for years, but unfortunately my time to see him live never came though I came so close with the o2. I've only seen Prince perform once and he's the best living male performer now that moved me as well and he's a true showman, but I was only going crazy on and off, MJ had me going the whole time. I know that makes me sound biased, but I do like MJ's catalogue more though I'm really feeling Prince too and love how he does a little bit of everything. I guess great dancing and MJ's voice in general and loving him for his music and caring about him as a person is all a combination, and relating to the music which I do.

Im right there with you. MJ kept my attention the whole show where Prince is always segments that are GREAT and segments that are boring. I like MJs albums better than Prince BUT Prince has so much more to listen to I tend to listen to Prince more. However, I like about 90% of Michaels songs where as with Prince I only like about 40-50% of his. I consider Prince as my favorite artist though up to about the last 6-8 years. Since then he has really dropped off alot with me. I still follow him but I just dont have that same enthusiasm about him anymore. RIP Michael

dandeeland said:

alphastreet said:

I'm a huge mj fan and went hysterical watching his tours on tape for years, but unfortunately my time to see him live never came though I came so close with the o2. I've only seen Prince perform once and he's the best living male performer now that moved me as well and he's a true showman, but I was only going crazy on and off, MJ had me going the whole time. I know that makes me sound biased, but I do like MJ's catalogue more though I'm really feeling Prince too and love how he does a little bit of everything. I guess great dancing and MJ's voice in general and loving him for his music and caring about him as a person is all a combination, and relating to the music which I do.

Im right there with you. MJ kept my attention the whole show where Prince is always segments that are GREAT and segments that are boring. I like MJs albums better than Prince BUT Prince has so much more to listen to I tend to listen to Prince more. However, I like about 90% of Michaels songs where as with Prince I only like about 40-50% of his. I consider Prince as my favorite artist though up to about the last 6-8 years. Since then he has really dropped off alot with me. I still follow him but I just dont have that same enthusiasm about him anymore. RIP Michael

I know what you mean about playing Prince a lot, I've been doing that on and off for years too and I don't own or like everything of his, but can appreciate that he is like an artist who'll make some paintings I like and some I don't favour, and he does a little bit of something for everyone. I also find that Prince music I didn't like 10 years ago I've warmed up to now. But MJ will always be number one to me though I've missed him for ages anyways before the death and really wanted things to work out. I also agree all of MJ's albums are great.

angel345 said:

Dren5 said:

Actually I believe there's some truth to what he's saying about MJ's show - I've never been all that impressed with his backing bands. MJ himself yes. Them, no.

Hell, even in MJ's last band when he was planning the "This Is It" performances, the guitarist that they were hyping up and as being this extraordinary talent (Orianthi) left me totally underwhelmed.

What happened to guitarist Jennifer Batten? I remembered her from the 'Bad' tour, and looking plus listening to older videos, he appeared to have a better musical chemistry with the band in the 'Bad' tour era.

Good question, and I have no clue. But even she wasn't really mind-blowing to me either.

I think to some extent I'm kinda spoiled and ruined in a sense though because I'm used to seeing females really just kill on the guitar so my expectations and standards are phenomenally high in that respect.

alphastreet said:

glamstar01 said:

i love Micheal JAckson but the live shows wasn't that good... & to all MJ supporter, don't tell us every time how much tickets or records he sold it's annoying... David Gilmour nows more about (live) music that any other here on this board - & Prince is one of the best live performer if not the best !

Putting ticket sales aside, if you came across a product or service that sucks, would you use it or come to that establishment again? My point is he must have been doing something right to have ticketholders come again. All statements here are opinions. I went to a Prince concert one time, and he gave an helluva show. No doubt. Though I am an MJ fan, I have never had the opportunity to go, but before his death, I heard that he was going to do some dates in the USA. I think if I had the chance of a lifetime to go, then I can judge for myself.

@angel234

He was a megastar, no doubt he would sellout arenas/stadiums but Madonna sellouts arenas/stadiums to... & she can't sing live! I don't wanna compare this 2 artist (MJ was 1000 x better ). He was a great dancer, entertainer , love his voice but for me his live shows wasn't that good & prince a better live perfomer. D. Gilmour made a statemant as a musician & i think someone like Gilmour knows what he is talking about ...

dandeeland said:

unique said:

how can "michael rules live" when he spent most of his solo concert stage time miming whilst on drugs? when was the last time you say him play live? how old were you at the time, and how close to the stage were you? how many times have you seen prince live, and when was the last time?

have you actually seen pink floyd live in the flesh?

I have seen Prince 24 times. Last time in 2004. When I saw Michael I was 24, 19 and 16 I think give or take a year. I dont know what that has to do with it but there you go. I realize that people here take offense if I dont say Prince is the greatest at everything in the world and nothing else matters. I cant help it. I like what I like. Sorry bud. I think Michael is the best I have ever seen live. I dont care about the lip syncing. To me its all about the show and entertainment. When I left those shows I was blown away. I like the danceing aspect of his shows. There is noone like him and never will be another. I have Prince in my top five artists live too or else I would not have kept going back. I have to admit though im not into his live shows nowadays though. He does not seem to play anything new so I dont go see him anymore. If he ever soes another new tour of new material I will be there though. If not I am content with the number 24.

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i asked for a few reasons really. for a start he hasn't toured since about 14 years ago, so memories and nostalgia can play a part, likewise age, so if you saw a favourite artist age 16 and that was way back in 1988, a number of things can make that seem special. likewise distance from stage. you can get two reviews of a gig and those down the front thought it was great, but those at the back didn't, or vice versa. as he lip synched most of his solo tours this would be disguised better by being further back

then you have people who say X was best, but haven't seen the rest for comparison. or other variables could have influenced the result. for example front row at a radiohead gig may seem better than back row at an rem gig. or one artist may have had a particularly great gig and the other not one of their best, for example depending on what tour you saw them and what they were trying to put over on that tour. someone who is a causual listener may find the SOTT tour great, but the ONA tour boring, or be lost at the gold exp tour as they didn't know the songs, but would love a hits set. one thing that's quite common with MJ fans is the lack of knowledge and experience of other artists. many won't have even been to a single gig in their entire life from any artist, but they would say MJ was the best

dalsh327 said:

glamstar01 said:

glamstar01 said:

i love Micheal JAckson but the live shows wasn't that good... & to all MJ supporter, don't tell us every time how much tickets or records he sold it's annoying... David Gilmour nows more about (live) music that any other here on this board - & Prince is one of the best live performer if not the best !

Putting ticket sales aside, if you came across a product or service that sucks, would you use it or come to that establishment again? My point is he must have been doing something right to have ticketholders come again. All statements here are opinions. I went to a Prince concert one time, and he gave an helluva show. No doubt. Though I am an MJ fan, I have never had the opportunity to go, but before his death, I heard that he was going to do some dates in the USA. I think if I had the chance of a lifetime to go, then I can judge for myself.

@angel234

He was a megastar, no doubt he would sellout arenas/stadiums but Madonna sellouts arenas/stadiums to... & she can't sing live! I don't wanna compare this 2 artist (MJ was 1000 x better ). He was a great dancer, entertainer , love his voice but for me his live shows wasn't that good & prince a better live perfomer. D. Gilmour made a statemant as a musician & i think someone like Gilmour knows what he is talking about ...

I think it has a lot to do with his charisma. I mean what artist can make even grown men and women faint and cry

unique said:

dandeeland said:

I have seen Prince 24 times. Last time in 2004. When I saw Michael I was 24, 19 and 16 I think give or take a year. I dont know what that has to do with it but there you go. I realize that people here take offense if I dont say Prince is the greatest at everything in the world and nothing else matters. I cant help it. I like what I like. Sorry bud. I think Michael is the best I have ever seen live. I dont care about the lip syncing. To me its all about the show and entertainment. When I left those shows I was blown away. I like the danceing aspect of his shows. There is noone like him and never will be another. I have Prince in my top five artists live too or else I would not have kept going back. I have to admit though im not into his live shows nowadays though. He does not seem to play anything new so I dont go see him anymore. If he ever soes another new tour of new material I will be there though. If not I am content with the number 24.

[Edited 2/1/12 20:50pm]

i asked for a few reasons really. for a start he hasn't toured since about 14 years ago, so memories and nostalgia can play a part, likewise age, so if you saw a favourite artist age 16 and that was way back in 1988, a number of things can make that seem special. likewise distance from stage. you can get two reviews of a gig and those down the front thought it was great, but those at the back didn't, or vice versa. as he lip synched most of his solo tours this would be disguised better by being further back

then you have people who say X was best, but haven't seen the rest for comparison. or other variables could have influenced the result. for example front row at a radiohead gig may seem better than back row at an rem gig. or one artist may have had a particularly great gig and the other not one of their best, for example depending on what tour you saw them and what they were trying to put over on that tour. someone who is a causual listener may find the SOTT tour great, but the ONA tour boring, or be lost at the gold exp tour as they didn't know the songs, but would love a hits set. one thing that's quite common with MJ fans is the lack of knowledge and experience of other artists. many won't have even been to a single gig in their entire life from any artist, but they would say MJ was the best

Which is why I stated if MJ was alive today, and giving concerts, then I can judge his performance. MJ is naturally charismatic.

glamstar01 said:

if you came across a product or service that sucks, would you use it or come to that establishment again? My point is he must have been doing something right to have ticketholders come again.

this logic is really flawed, especially in the MJ context. he doesnt need to put on a good show to sell out, people go nuts just to see the motherfucker standing around. which isnt to put him down, its just the nature of his phenomenon

uuhson said:

glamstar01 said:

if you came across a product or service that sucks, would you use it or come to that establishment again? My point is he must have been doing something right to have ticketholders come again.

this logic is really flawed, especially in the MJ context. he doesnt need to put on a good show to sell out, people go nuts just to see the motherfucker standing around. which isnt to put him down, its just the nature of his phenomenon

Some people have 'it' more than others, charisma that is.

angel345 said:

I love David, I love Pink Floyd and I agree with him about MJ, but this applies only to live performances MJ in the 90's.

MJ was a great performer in general. Bad and Triumph tours have been phenomenal.

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unique said:

dandeeland said:

I have seen Prince 24 times. Last time in 2004. When I saw Michael I was 24, 19 and 16 I think give or take a year. I dont know what that has to do with it but there you go. I realize that people here take offense if I dont say Prince is the greatest at everything in the world and nothing else matters. I cant help it. I like what I like. Sorry bud. I think Michael is the best I have ever seen live. I dont care about the lip syncing. To me its all about the show and entertainment. When I left those shows I was blown away. I like the danceing aspect of his shows. There is noone like him and never will be another. I have Prince in my top five artists live too or else I would not have kept going back. I have to admit though im not into his live shows nowadays though. He does not seem to play anything new so I dont go see him anymore. If he ever soes another new tour of new material I will be there though. If not I am content with the number 24.

[Edited 2/1/12 20:50pm]

i asked for a few reasons really. for a start he hasn't toured since about 14 years ago, so memories and nostalgia can play a part, likewise age, so if you saw a favourite artist age 16 and that was way back in 1988, a number of things can make that seem special. likewise distance from stage. you can get two reviews of a gig and those down the front thought it was great, but those at the back didn't, or vice versa. as he lip synched most of his solo tours this would be disguised better by being further back

then you have people who say X was best, but haven't seen the rest for comparison. or other variables could have influenced the result. for example front row at a radiohead gig may seem better than back row at an rem gig. or one artist may have had a particularly great gig and the other not one of their best, for example depending on what tour you saw them and what they were trying to put over on that tour. someone who is a causual listener may find the SOTT tour great, but the ONA tour boring, or be lost at the gold exp tour as they didn't know the songs, but would love a hits set. one thing that's quite common with MJ fans is the lack of knowledge and experience of other artists. many won't have even been to a single gig in their entire life from any artist, but they would say MJ was the best

I love MJ's concerts and am a fan, but I agree with your last comment, I can't relate to a lot of mj fans online cause they are too limited in their music choices and can't appreciate other great artists, and it makes them come off like they are into novelty, and almost like an insult to mj himself.

MJ's keyboardist Greg Phillinganes and drummer Ricky Lawson (both musical directors) aren't some unknown and inexperienced musicians from the industry. Pink Floyd's performances are known for the quality in sonic sound and maybe Gilmour raises that bar quite high when examining shows for other artists. Gilmour was interviewed in September 1990, so it's more than likely that he visted the second leg of the Bad Tour in the US, which ended somewhere in 1989. That's the tour on which Michael sang live most of the time. Iirc, his voice got problems during the Bad Tour, keeping in mind that intensive touring from 1987 to 1989 can take a serious toll, combined with the dancing. If you watch and hear "Wanna Be Startin' Something" at the first show in Japan, you'll hear him perform a flawless version of the song.

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