SPOOKYGAS said:

Empress said:

You got that right jackmitz! Some people are just so ignorant. Does this person have any clue how many people worldwide have recorded a Dylan song?? Probably not.

Of course people have re-recorded a Dylan song, how could they go wrong...a tone deaf hoover would pull it off better than howling Bob.

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Its not really about his vocals. Never has been (unless we are talking about hisveryman persona). Its about the meaning, content, and lyrics of his songs..and yes, arrangements at times.

Folks/musicians could only hope to be able to write a song with as much relevance and meaning as one of his songs.

did all of u forget that the jehovah witness takes a cut of this money he's making now?

jackson35 said:

did all of u forget that the jehovah witness takes a cut of this money he's making now?

Stop spreading lies!!!!!!!

jackmitz said:

SPOOKYGAS said:

Of course people have re-recorded a Dylan song, how could they go wrong...a tone deaf hoover would pull it off better than howling Bob.

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Good lord...sometimes I wonder why I visit the .org Even Princey himself covers Dylan...in fact, just a few weeks ago we were lucky enough to see the band cover 'Make You Feel My Love'. And, on the biggest stage in the world (the Super Bowl), P covered a Dylan tune.

Look, come on, Dylan is a shocking vocalist/performer and he writes poems not songs...anyhooo Clapton is the same, he can not sing for shit but at least he can play the guitar.

SPOOKYGAS said:

jackmitz said:

SPOOKYGAS said:

Dylan is lucky to have $80 dollars...man sings like a fucking cat getting its throat cut...

The greatest songwriter of the 20th century. Period.

even if true, which people will debate, it doesn't mean he can sing

jackmitz said:

His voice IS shot now, but through '97 he was still a very strong vocalist. It's a different style of singing. Some people can't stand Tom Waits' voice, or Garcia's singing, while I think they're all great singers.

Tom Waits a great singer (Dylan a great singer)...sorry but no offence....U might have wax build up!!

jackmitz said:

His voice IS shot now, but through '97 he was still a very strong vocalist. It's a different style of singing. Some people can't stand Tom Waits' voice, or Garcia's singing, while I think they're all great singers.

C'Mon Man!

Yea, they're right up there with Gaye, Wonder, Green and Franklin. Unbelievable. No wonder Prince doesn't get the credit he deserves on this site for his genius when you have people with this worldview.

jackmitz said:

dseann said:

I suggest that anyone who doubts Dylan's contribution to 20th century art and literature listen, while reading the lyrics to Visions of Johanna. Totally agree about Blind Willie McTell, which was an outtake til the late 80s.

Obviously, Dylan is revered in the American music world. I won't ever dispute that. Don't you dare tell me he has a gifted voice. Hell to the no. Never did, doesn't now.

jdcxc said:

jackmitz said:

jdcxc said:

C'Mon Man!

Yea, they're right up there with Gaye, Wonder, Green and Franklin. Unbelievable. No wonder Prince doesn't get the credit he deserves on this site for his genius when you have people with this worldview.

First, show me a post where I didn't give P his due. Go ahead...I'll wait. Second, like I said, it's a DIFFERENT style of singing. Nothing like Al Green, or Areths, or Stevie. No need to get snarky,pal. There's room on this earth for Stevie and Dylan.

the difference is if Stevie was a new singer just getting started, he'd be able to get a recording contract as a singer, while Dylan would get laughed out of the room. If not already famous, he wouldn't even make it to the first audition of American Idol. They'd say something ot the effect of "you do realize this is a singing competition, right?"

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People "think" too much. These figures aren't pulled out of the ether. They're based on public records of property holdings, touring income and totals of what things like song publishing royalties are worth to him. Some of y'all acting like $250 million isn't an INSANE amount of money. With the lifestyle the guy lives and the amount of lawsuits he's involved with HE'S lucky to be worth that much.

Cerebus said:

People "think" too much. These figures aren't pulled out of the ether. They're based on public records of property holdings, touring income and totals of what things like song publishing royalties are worth to him. Some of y'all acting like $250 million isn't an INSANE amount of money. With the lifestyle the guy lives and the amount of lawsuits he's involved with HE'S lucky to be worth that much.

dseann said:

Cerebus said:

People "think" too much. These figures aren't pulled out of the ether. They're based on public records of property holdings, touring income and totals of what things like song publishing royalties are worth to him. Some of y'all acting like $250 million isn't an INSANE amount of money. With the lifestyle the guy lives and the amount of lawsuits he's involved with HE'S lucky to be worth that much.

Really? He's been ordered to pay many millions of dollars in just the last couple years.

alandail said:

jackmitz said:

jdcxc said: First, show me a post where I didn't give P his due. Go ahead...I'll wait. Second, like I said, it's a DIFFERENT style of singing. Nothing like Al Green, or Areths, or Stevie. No need to get snarky,pal. There's room on this earth for Stevie and Dylan.

the difference is if Stevie was a new singer just getting started, he'd be able to get a recording contract as a singer, while Dylan would get laughed out of the room. If not already famous, he wouldn't even make it to the first audition of American Idol. They'd say something ot the effect of "you do realize this is a singing competition, right?"

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Right, and the ONLY way to gague someone's merit is how they would fare on Idol? God knows, Paula Abdul IS the ONE great arbiter of talent. Different strokes for different folks, people. Vocal gymnastics (or soul yodeling) may be impressive, but that doesn't make one a great singer. Phrasing and passion play a HUGE role as well. And god knows, there's more to life than soul singing.

And, by the way...Dylan was a kid when his first record came out. He was hardly famous...in fact, he was a nobody.

jackmitz said:

alandail said:

the difference is if Stevie was a new singer just getting started, he'd be able to get a recording contract as a singer, while Dylan would get laughed out of the room. If not already famous, he wouldn't even make it to the first audition of American Idol. They'd say something ot the effect of "you do realize this is a singing competition, right?"

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Right, and the ONLY way to gague someone's merit is how they would fare on Idol? God knows, Paula Abdul IS the ONE great arbiter of talent. Different strokes for different folks, people. Vocal gymnastics (or soul yodeling) may be impressive, but that doesn't make one a great singer. Phrasing and passion play a HUGE role as well. And god knows, there's more to life than soul singing.

And, by the way...Dylan was a kid when his first record came out. He was hardly famous...in fact, he was a nobody.

I'm aware he wasn't famous before he was famous. It was a different era, though. In an era of rebels and social unrest, his songwriting made him famous. His inablity to sing well may have even been an asset. That doesn't mean he's a good singer. There is pretty much no other era he would have made it as a singer.

My earlier post wasn't supposed to be american idol specific, I just used htat as an example of singing ability

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jackmitz said:

SPOOKYGAS said:

Of course people have re-recorded a Dylan song, how could they go wrong...a tone deaf hoover would pull it off better than howling Bob.

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Good lord...sometimes I wonder why I visit the .org Even Princey himself covers Dylan...in fact, just a few weeks ago we were lucky enough to see the band cover 'Make You Feel My Love'. And, on the biggest stage in the world (the Super Bowl), P covered a Dylan tune.

I admit that Dylan is a monument in music history and people should at least respect that. just like Prince fans want their idol 2 get the respect he deserves..even from those who don´t like his music..

I don´t love Dylan, Clapton ,Neil Young... well maybe just a few songs,

I prefer Stevie Wonder and others but that doesn´t mean I will put Dylan down...I just can´t listen 2 his music and his voice really isn´t that great a lot of critics have said this through the years...with respect

Cerebus said:

People "think" too much. These figures aren't pulled out of the ether. They're based on public records of property holdings, touring income and totals of what things like song publishing royalties are worth to him. Some of y'all acting like $250 million isn't an INSANE amount of money. With the lifestyle the guy lives and the amount of lawsuits he's involved with HE'S lucky to be worth that much.

even Forbes them selves say that their estimates are within a range of 100 million give or take. You can't trust these lists, and it has been reported that publicists sometimes push to have their client on such lists, whereas other people maintain privacy to stay off any such lists, because they don't want their business published because it doesn't help them in any way and could actually harm them. Notice these lists don't usually break down how they are adding up the $ amounts so you can really compare different people.

for example (again this is Forbes):

http://thechina.biz/china-economy/celebrities-forbes-list-sheer-nonsense/

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Paisley4u said:

jackmitz said:

SPOOKYGAS said: Good lord...sometimes I wonder why I visit the .org Even Princey himself covers Dylan...in fact, just a few weeks ago we were lucky enough to see the band cover 'Make You Feel My Love'. And, on the biggest stage in the world (the Super Bowl), P covered a Dylan tune.

I admit that Dylan is a monument in music history and people should at least respect that. just like Prince fans want their idol 2 get the respect he deserves..even from those who don´t like his music..

I don´t love Dylan, Clapton ,Neil Young... well maybe just a few songs,

I prefer Stevie Wonder and others but that doesn´t mean I will put Dylan down...I just can´t listen 2 his music and his voice really isn´t that great a lot of critics have said this through the years...with respect

With one exception, no one is putting Dylan down. We're just stating the obvious ... he can't sing.

We're not doubting his iconic status or his song writing abilities. His voice just sounds like ... well.. shit.

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jackson35 said:

did all of u forget that the jehovah witness takes a cut of this money he's making now?

That all count as tax deductions.

Dylan's voice is perfect for his songs. To say you don't like it is one thing, to say he sounds like shit or a cat with it's throat being cut out is just ignorant.

Dogsinthetrees said:

Dogsinthetrees said:

Dylan's voice is perfect for his songs. To say you don't like it is one thing, to say he sounds like shit or a cat with it's throat being cut out is just ignorant.

this dylan argument is hilarious



godlike song writer

extremely unorthodox voice that many will find annoying, because no matter what you say its harsh and raspy. thats not to say whether thats good or bad, but it is what it is

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Lots of people hate on Prince's squeaky vocal style on most of his songs, and HATE is vocal squeals and exclamations.

ufoclub said:

Cerebus said:

People "think" too much. These figures aren't pulled out of the ether. They're based on public records of property holdings, touring income and totals of what things like song publishing royalties are worth to him. Some of y'all acting like $250 million isn't an INSANE amount of money. With the lifestyle the guy lives and the amount of lawsuits he's involved with HE'S lucky to be worth that much.

even Forbes them selves say that their estimates are within a range of 100 million give or take. You can't trust these lists, and it has been reported that publicists sometimes push to have their client on such lists, whereas other people maintain privacy to stay off any such lists, because they don't want their business published because it doesn't help them in any way and could actually harm them. Notice these lists don't usually break down how they are adding up the $ amounts so you can really compare different people.

for example (again this is Forbes):

http://thechina.biz/china-economy/celebrities-forbes-list-sheer-nonsense/

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Dude, I'm actually agreeing with you here, but that's China. You can't believe anything that comes through their "news" system.

$100 million still don't make Prince a billionaire. And I'd bet he's closer to $150 million that 350.

I've seen lists that break it down. In fact, I'm pretty sure Forbes at least lists where the money comes from; touring, album sales, businesses outside of the entertainment field, etc.

Edit: Reading is fundamental

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jackmitz said:

SPOOKYGAS said:

Of course people have re-recorded a Dylan song, how could they go wrong...a tone deaf hoover would pull it off better than howling Bob.

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Good lord...sometimes I wonder why I visit the .org Even Princey himself covers Dylan...in fact, just a few weeks ago we were lucky enough to see the band cover 'Make You Feel My Love'. And, on the biggest stage in the world (the Super Bowl), P covered a Dylan tune.

You know now that you mention it, I wonder was P trying to be slick by singing that song since it had "Watchtower" in it? Publicity for the JWs?

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Astasheiks said:

jackmitz said:

SPOOKYGAS said: Good lord...sometimes I wonder why I visit the .org Even Princey himself covers Dylan...in fact, just a few weeks ago we were lucky enough to see the band cover 'Make You Feel My Love'. And, on the biggest stage in the world (the Super Bowl), P covered a Dylan tune.

You know now that you mention it, I wonder was P trying to be slick by singing that song since it had "Watchtower" in it? Publicity for the JWs?

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Of course he was...the verse he chose was the 'All Along the Watchtower, Princes kept the view'.

Subtle, he's not.

jackmitz said:

Astasheiks said:

You know now that you mention it, I wonder was P trying to be slick by singing that song since it had "Watchtower" in it? Publicity for the JWs?

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Of course he was...the verse he chose was the 'All Along the Watchtower, Princes kept the view'.

Subtle, he's not.

first time that it was actually sung in tune though....jimmy 2! That cat could not sing either...