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Thread started 01/03/12 10:50pm

udo

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horns back?

Are we getting the horns back?

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry.
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Reply #1 posted 01/03/12 11:20pm

fusk

my guess is, just in the studio.

But I hope i'm wrong, horns are great.

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Reply #2 posted 01/04/12 3:14am

thebanishedone

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Prince is much better without horns.
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Reply #3 posted 01/04/12 6:10am

errant

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hope not. they have their place, but when he's got them around, they're way overused.

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Reply #4 posted 01/04/12 6:38am

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I hope so! Love the Hornheadz!!

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Reply #5 posted 01/04/12 6:48am

Graycap23

thebanishedone said:

Prince is much better without horns.

Say wha............

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Reply #6 posted 01/04/12 7:11am

udo

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errant said:

hope not. they have their place, but when he's got them around, they're way overused.

Can you please look up the definition of the Minneapolis sound?

Please notice the horns mention.

Please do notice the mention of that Prince name near the top of the page.

So please mention yourself that the synths are way overused.

Repeat that a few times.

Then find out that you think that sounds stupid.

Then think of a slightly fresh addition like horns (multiple) and these with their specific quality.

Did you ever listen to their own CD's more than once?

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry.
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Reply #7 posted 01/04/12 8:06am

imago

udo said:

errant said:

hope not. they have their place, but when he's got them around, they're way overused.

Can you please look up the definition of the Minneapolis sound?

Please notice the horns mention.

Please do notice the mention of that Prince name near the top of the page.

So please mention yourself that the synths are way overused.

Repeat that a few times.

Then find out that you think that sounds stupid.

Then think of a slightly fresh addition like horns (multiple) and these with their specific quality.

Did you ever listen to their own CD's more than once?

The horns are overused.

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Reply #8 posted 01/04/12 8:16am

errant

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udo said:

errant said:

hope not. they have their place, but when he's got them around, they're way overused.

Can you please look up the definition of the Minneapolis sound?

Please notice the horns mention.

Please do notice the mention of that Prince name near the top of the page.

So please mention yourself that the synths are way overused.

Repeat that a few times.

Then find out that you think that sounds stupid.

Then think of a slightly fresh addition like horns (multiple) and these with their specific quality.

Did you ever listen to their own CD's more than once?

sorry, what is your point? Prince is known for the Minneapolis sound, yes, which is based on synths largely.

which I prefer in Prince's music. when he deploys horns any time on stage in the last decade, it's either way too cheesy or schmaltzy and makes him sound like he's playing some cliched Vegas revue. one or two horn players on stage would be fine. but when he brings an entire horn section and an army of background singers, I generally prefer not to listen. Prince moved us past horn-based funk, and while it's got its place in his reportoire, it's a big step backward for his music.

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Reply #9 posted 01/04/12 8:21am

vc40

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errant said:

makes him sound like he's playing some cliched Vegas revue.

Isn't he a Vegas revue ever since 2003? wink

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Reply #10 posted 01/04/12 8:30am

udo

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imago said:

The horns are overused.

You can't read I must assume.

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry.
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Reply #11 posted 01/04/12 10:03am

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toejam said:

I hope so! Love the Hornheadz!!

Yup.

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Reply #12 posted 01/05/12 12:03am

MISTERHANDS

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imago said:

udo said:

Can you please look up the definition of the Minneapolis sound?

Please notice the horns mention.

Please do notice the mention of that Prince name near the top of the page.

So please mention yourself that the synths are way overused.

Repeat that a few times.

Then find out that you think that sounds stupid.

Then think of a slightly fresh addition like horns (multiple) and these with their specific quality.

Did you ever listen to their own CD's more than once?

The horns are overused.


lol They are not.

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Reply #13 posted 01/05/12 12:59am

imago

MISTERHANDS said:

imago said:

The horns are overused.


lol They are not.

Whenever the horns kick in, I swear I expect to see Kenny G. and Clarence Clemons walk out on stage ala some crazy ass weekend-at-Bernies type of spectacle. lol

The horns are overused. boxed

I hate them. neutral

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Reply #14 posted 01/05/12 2:10am

treehouse

Prince and horns can go very, very wrong.

Those Leeds and NPG years where he yelled 'Horn!" every song and did goofy stage gimickery while they launched into extended reworkings was really boring and formulaic. Then there were the Adult Contemporary solos during balads. No thanks.

I did like the horns in Parade and the synth horns here and there.

I'd guess the photo is from an Andy Allo recording session rather than Prince's.

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Reply #15 posted 01/05/12 2:30am

MISTERHANDS

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I changed my mind. lol With Prince, they are indeed overused. Nontheless, I like my portion of horns with funk. But they should just stick with the rhythm work and an occasional solo, not 5 mins of soloing during every song.

This is a good example of the right horn-usage: http://www.youtube.com/wa...4XruC9rHns

[Edited 1/5/12 2:31am]

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Reply #16 posted 01/05/12 2:56am

rialb

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I think that horns can be good in his music but I have not enjoyed the players he has used since he stopped working with the Hornheadz. Sure, Maceo is a legend but I just do not think that he meshes will with Prince. I'm not sure exactly what I dislike about his recent horn sections but they seem too clean sounding and a bit of a distraction.

If he is going to return to having a live horn section I would like to see him make some big changes and work with different people.

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Reply #17 posted 01/05/12 10:42pm

Pole

heart the Horns & the Picture heart

Hope 2 hear some soon wave

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Reply #18 posted 01/06/12 1:08am

imago

MISTERHANDS said:

I changed my mind. lol With Prince, they are indeed overused. Nontheless, I like my portion of horns with funk. But they should just stick with the rhythm work and an occasional solo, not 5 mins of soloing during every song.

This is a good example of the right horn-usage: http://www.youtube.com/wa...4XruC9rHns

[Edited 1/5/12 2:31am]

You are sooooo totally flirting with me!

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Reply #19 posted 01/06/12 2:38am

Billmenever

Every instrument has it's place hammer and good for use at it's proper time. err Perhaps now it's time to pull out the horns. Candy, where you at? rose

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Reply #20 posted 01/06/12 4:05am

udo

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Candy won't be there due to some issues between them. (anybody can confirm?)
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Reply #21 posted 01/06/12 6:13am

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They need to listen to 1980's Prince music and learn to duplicate those sounds via the horns instead of bring their own sound, which always will mess up Purple Music

Eric Leeds Eddie M & Atlanta Bliss + Claire Fischer totally set the foundation

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Reply #22 posted 01/07/12 12:15am

treehouse

One can only hope they're recording an updated version of "Work that Fat"....... with horns!

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Reply #23 posted 01/07/12 4:29am

Replica

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errant said:

udo said:

Can you please look up the definition of the Minneapolis sound?

Please notice the horns mention.

Please do notice the mention of that Prince name near the top of the page.

So please mention yourself that the synths are way overused.

Repeat that a few times.

Then find out that you think that sounds stupid.

Then think of a slightly fresh addition like horns (multiple) and these with their specific quality.

Did you ever listen to their own CD's more than once?

sorry, what is your point? Prince is known for the Minneapolis sound, yes, which is based on synths largely.

which I prefer in Prince's music. when he deploys horns any time on stage in the last decade, it's either way too cheesy or schmaltzy and makes him sound like he's playing some cliched Vegas revue. one or two horn players on stage would be fine. but when he brings an entire horn section and an army of background singers, I generally prefer not to listen. Prince moved us past horn-based funk, and while it's got its place in his reportoire, it's a big step backward for his music.

This is like saying that using a drum set is backwards. Or that we have to make a new kind of dub step with eletronic violins side chain compressed to the high freequency of an autotuned electronic standing bass.... drown this in massive digital noize and put some 808 high hats on top. Otherwise, it will sound like a gigantic step backwards in music lol actually it's quite possible to make something sound new with authentic classic sounding instruments. It's the way it's used that makes it sound old imo. Sound engineering, arrangement, song writing, instrument techniques, composing... it all together can make a song sound old, or new.

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Reply #24 posted 01/07/12 7:39am

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Replica said:



errant said:




udo said:




Can you please look up the definition of the Minneapolis sound?


Please notice the horns mention.


Please do notice the mention of that Prince name near the top of the page.



So please mention yourself that the synths are way overused.


Repeat that a few times.


Then find out that you think that sounds stupid.



Then think of a slightly fresh addition like horns (multiple) and these with their specific quality.


Did you ever listen to their own CD's more than once?



sorry, what is your point? Prince is known for the Minneapolis sound, yes, which is based on synths largely.



which I prefer in Prince's music. when he deploys horns any time on stage in the last decade, it's either way too cheesy or schmaltzy and makes him sound like he's playing some cliched Vegas revue. one or two horn players on stage would be fine. but when he brings an entire horn section and an army of background singers, I generally prefer not to listen. Prince moved us past horn-based funk, and while it's got its place in his reportoire, it's a big step backward for his music.



This is like saying that using a drum set is backwards. Or that we have to make a new kind of dub step with eletronic violins side chain compressed to the high freequency of an autotuned electronic standing bass.... drown this in massive digital noize and put some 808 high hats on top. Otherwise, it will sound like a gigantic step backwards in music lol actually it's quite possible to make something sound new with authentic classic sounding instruments. It's the way it's used that makes it sound old imo. Sound engineering, arrangement, song writing, instrument techniques, composing... it all together can make a song sound old, or new.



Well all that is certainly true but it does not apply to Prince's use of horns in the last 15 years. Nothing new at all. He's regressed. He's become entirely too dependent at times on the horn section without actually doing anyhing interesting with them. But I suppose that's what you get when you're working with the likes of Najee, Candy Dulfer and Maceo Parker instead of people who can work within the framework of your music and complement it.
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Reply #25 posted 01/07/12 12:20pm

treehouse

Replica said:

This is like saying that using a drum set is backwards.

Funny you mention it. NPG drums are almost as gruesome as the horn sections.

It's not the instruments it's the instrumentation. It sounds like session playing. There's no soul or modesty.

I'd rather have a drum machine, and synth horns over that.

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Reply #26 posted 01/07/12 12:37pm

EyeJester7

OldFriends4Sale said:

They need to listen to 1980's Prince music and learn to duplicate those sounds via the horns instead of bring their own sound, which always will mess up Purple Music

Eric Leeds Eddie M & Atlanta Bliss + Claire Fischer totally set the foundation

yeahthat I also think that sometimes the Horns don't go in every song. In the 90's they were used kind of too much. BUT I love the horns! I mean "I Can Never Take The Place Of Your Man' The horns are used perfectly! Also the song 'NewPower Soul' DAMN! SO GOOD!

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Reply #27 posted 01/11/12 7:58am

OldFriends4Sal
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EyeJester7 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

They need to listen to 1980's Prince music and learn to duplicate those sounds via the horns instead of bring their own sound, which always will mess up Purple Music

Eric Leeds Eddie M & Atlanta Bliss + Claire Fischer totally set the foundation

yeahthat I also think that sometimes the Horns don't go in every song. In the 90's they were used kind of too much. BUT I love the horns! I mean "I Can Never Take The Place Of Your Man' The horns are used perfectly! Also the song 'NewPower Soul' DAMN! SO GOOD!

Eddie M on sax: Temptation, Dear Michaelangelo, A Love Bizarre

Eric Leads on sax: Girls & Boys, Mountains, Cindy C. that sliver of stank sax on Scarlet Pussy

Atlanta Bliss on trumpet: Power Fantastic, Housequake,

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