An article came out today about The Family, The Time, Prince, and the name changes for the two bands. It breaks down some of the history & what's going on today. Here's a link & first paragraph.

Trouble in Paisley Park

http://www.dominionofnewy...isley-park

Condensate, a new R&B album released in October, sounds a lot like the old Prince band, The Time. The funky bass, wicked guitar licks, and charismatic cool of the lead singer all recall the earlier group. In fact, the lead singer of this new band is Morris Day, and the album features the band’s original seven members. But if it walks like the Time and talks like the Time, that doesn’t mean it can be called The Time. These founding fathers of the Minneapolis sound are now just another band with a new name trying to find an audience, because Prince won’t let them use their old one. They’re one of two groups who this year tried and failed to get the Purple Yoda—of all people—to allow them to use their name.

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It’s equally difficult to see the Time’s sister band, The Family, in a similar battle with Prince and struggling with name recognition since their new album dropped in September.

[Edited 3/10/12 12:20pm]

This is well worth hopping over and having a read.

The writer tried to downplay the fact that Prince for all intents and purposes WAS The Time & The Family. I think the story was geared at non hardcore fans who don't know better. History is written by whomever wants to take a shot at it and whoever believes it.

But at least his reviews of the albums are fair. Both are Ok, rehashes with competent songwriting sure, but those are not the reason the originals have held up as well as they did.

I think everything ended up as it should. The bands got their chance to make it on their own terms, with the caveat of being able to boast their roles in the former bands and to know Prince.

Jimmy and Terry and Morris and Jerome are well known in the music industry, it isn't as they were not given a fair shake or are Oakies fresh off the bus.

The article is a lot of whining trying to promote a violin scored narrative that is not quite true, but can't blame him for trying if that's his motive.

[Edited 12/30/11 15:05pm]

i think Prince is 100% in the right

He was the time..he wrote ALL the songs..played ALL the instruments...ARRANGED,PRODUCED

He was THE FAMILY etc

allowing the name to remain would be diluting his legacy

Ultimatly ALL the time are talented in their own right but NONE ofthem would be shit without Prince

jonylawson said:

i think Prince is 100% in the right

He was the time..he wrote ALL the songs..played ALL the instruments...ARRANGED,PRODUCED

He was THE FAMILY etc

allowing the name to remain would be diluting his legacy

Ultimatly ALL the time are talented in their own right but NONE ofthem would be shit without Prince

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rdhull said:

jonylawson said:

i think Prince is 100% in the right

He was the time..he wrote ALL the songs..played ALL the instruments...ARRANGED,PRODUCED

He was THE FAMILY etc

allowing the name to remain would be diluting his legacy

Ultimatly ALL the time are talented in their own right but NONE ofthem would be shit without Prince

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The Family’s studio output was even more dominated by Prince, and his claim to control of their name may be stronger. Prince created the group by taking three members from The Time, adding two new people, and renaming them The Family. The group’s sole studio album was almost entirely a Prince production. Prince performed all bass, guitar, and keyboards on it, all the drums as well. He recorded demo tracks with his voice, which he also did for The Time’s early albums, and asked co-lead singer St. Paul Peterson to mimic his vocals. The album cover and liner notes are mostly marketing and misdirection that obscures Prince’s role.

jonylawson said:

rdhull said:

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The Family’s studio output was even more dominated by Prince, and his claim to control of their name may be stronger. Prince created the group by taking three members from The Time, adding two new people, and renaming them The Family. The group’s sole studio album was almost entirely a Prince production. Prince performed all bass, guitar, and keyboards on it, all the drums as well. He recorded demo tracks with his voice, which he also did for The Time’s early albums, and asked co-lead singer St. Paul Peterson to mimic his vocals. The album cover and liner notes are mostly marketing and misdirection that obscures Prince’s role.

Dude, I know and agree to all of this. What gets me is how a few months ago, folks here was all up in arms over Prince refusing names etc to be used in projects of these groups he created as if they didn't know the historical facts of it all lol.

yeah i know

i knows........i knows

The Monkees don't own their name, Rhino Records does. But they are allowed to to use the name whenever they tour and they also used it when they released new albums in the 1980's and 1990's.

MickyDolenz said:

The Monkees don't own their name, Rhino Records does. But they are allowed to to use the name whenever they tour and they also used it when they released new albums in the 1980's and 1990's.

Yeah, but Rhino records isn't the creative entity behind the Monkees. They are just the legal. Prince is both in the case of The Time and The Family.

MickyDolenz said:

The Monkees don't own their name, Rhino Records does. But they are allowed to to use the name whenever they tour and they also used it when they released new albums in the 1980's and 1990's.

erm.......

point?

jonylawson said:

jonylawson said:

MickyDolenz said:

The Monkees don't own their name, Rhino Records does. But they are allowed to to use the name whenever they tour and they also used it when they released new albums in the 1980's and 1990's.

Who gives a fuck? Yay for the Monkees.

Kind of a bitch move on Prince's part. jussayin.

AsherFierce said:

Kind of a bitch move on Prince's part. jussayin.

Yeah..given these folks a career and all. What a dick Prince is.

The author of the article seemed to focus more on any conflict he could find in the past regarding Prince, to make his article more interesting.

There was no mention of Jesse Johnson's announcement on FB where he publically stated he is leaving the Original7, pretty much leaving the former Time members hanging on a string in limbo. Someone needs to inform the author of that article, that he needs to keep up-to-date. Sounds like he just put together "what he heard" rather than doing thorough research.

Blaming Prince for the O7's struggle to gain new members, is a poor excuse. Regardless of the orignal or new name, if the song/music is good, then the fans will come, regardless of how long a musician/artist has been off the scene, and makes a comeback. Maxwell disappeared for a while, and managed to do well with his album. Maxwell could have changed his name to "Max" and he would have succeeded, as long as the music is good..the fans will come.

The original Time members, weren't together as a group, playing on a consistent basis together, and making new music as a band, for more than 20 years. Everyone went their own way working on their solo projects. So even if they were able to keep their original name, they would have had to work overtime anyway, to attract new and younger fans besides the longtime fans who already know who the original members of The Time are, and are familiar with some of theirr well-known 80s classics, much of which Prince wrote.

Thing is, I can't see not being able to use the original name, being an excuse in their struggle to gain new fans. For them to make a comeback, they have to compete with many 'no-name-never-heard-of-no talent" so-called artists today, making one-phrase catchy songs on youtube, gaining first time and new fans, and receiving over 1 million hits on youtube, while becoming an overnight sensation...Rebecca Black is an example.

She was able to make a one-phrase song, that some would label as 'silly' but the Time was/is also known for one/two phrase catchy, silly songs as well, that became classic hits that many still enjoy today. So I ask, how does an "unknown, so-called artist" on youtube manages to gain over one million plus hits, on youtube in less than a week, and suddenly becomes "popular?" No one knew her name or cared, those who helped her gain over 1 million hits in less than a week, regardless of the age demographic, didn't know who she was, but apparently enjoyed her catchy song, which became a popular one-off hit on youtube. She started receiving interview offers, a thumbsup from many of today's artists, as well as an invitation to appear in a cameo spot, on one of those popular artist's video. All this she gained for the success of her catchy song with the annoying voice. Yet she was an "unknown" to most who heard her song. This is why I feel if a song or music is good from a musician/artist, the fans will come regardless of the musicians/artists' name or a band's name change. At least being an "unknown" with a 'hit' song, worked out for Rebecca Black...for now anyway.

When the former Time members aka Original7, decided to regroup after missing-in-action as a group for more than 20 years. I'm sure like any musician/artist, they were probably hoping their new cd would reach the top of the charts , with their comeback or at least make record-breaking sales, because of who they are and their music talents/history.

Scary isn't it? The way the state of the music industry is today, and what type(s) of music becomes popular and embraced quickly by the public, moreso than music from musicians/artists in the business a long time, who have to struggle to get radio play and attention for their songs/music?

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rdhull said:

MickyDolenz said:

The Monkees don't own their name, Rhino Records does. But they are allowed to to use the name whenever they tour and they also used it when they released new albums in the 1980's and 1990's.

Who gives a fuck? Yay for the Monkees.

There is no need for rudeness or profanity. I just stated some information.

I think the article is terrible. I stopped reading when it got to the NAACP quotes. I mean, obviously presenters at an award's show are reading from a teleprompter and you have to take everything they say with a grain of salt. To me it's like the artiscle was written by some FAMish Orger.

rdhull said:

jonylawson said:

The Family’s studio output was even more dominated by Prince, and his claim to control of their name may be stronger. Prince created the group by taking three members from The Time, adding two new people, and renaming them The Family. The group’s sole studio album was almost entirely a Prince production. Prince performed all bass, guitar, and keyboards on it, all the drums as well. He recorded demo tracks with his voice, which he also did for The Time’s early albums, and asked co-lead singer St. Paul Peterson to mimic his vocals. The album cover and liner notes are mostly marketing and misdirection that obscures Prince’s role.

Dude, I know and agree to all of this. What gets me is how a few months ago, folks here was all up in arms over Prince refusing names etc to be used in projects of these groups he created as if they didn't know the historical facts of it all lol.

People just like to b messy. IMO it was business, groups that were created by him to showcase his music, which they all benefitted from in the end.

The former Time have been on Natl t.v. so if that didn't boost their record sales, then I don't know what to tell them, other than "People are just not into U". Don't blame the name change, cuz w/social media now, everything is possible. As for Fdeluxe "Please". I only know them, Mayte, Mani,Andy, Bria (who I like), Tamar ect,, bcuz of Prince

MickyDolenz said:

rdhull said:

Who gives a fuck? Yay for the Monkees.

There is no need for rudeness or profanity. I just stated some information.

yeah right

the family is one of my fave albums EVER

However i wouldnt call myself a "fan"of the family,to me its another P album-a great accompaniment to Parade.

Same as Jill Jones cd-the familys and hers are THE best paisley park albums but again,i see jills album as another Prince album

i have never sought out either the family or jills music since

i really didnt like how hard he was pushing the idea that prince is to the time just as WB was to prince. thats completely different lol

2elijah said:

The author of the article seemed to focus more on any conflict he could find in the past regarding Prince, to make his article more interesting.

There was no mention of Jesse Johnson's announcement on FB where he publically stated he is leaving the Original7, pretty much leaving the former Time members hanging on a string in limbo. Someone needs to inform the author of that article, that he needs to keep up-to-date. Sounds like he just put together "what he heard" rather than doing thorough research.

Blaming Prince for the O7's struggle to gain new members, is a poor excuse. Regardless of the orignal or new name, if the song/music is good, then the fans will come, regardless of how long a musician/artist has been off the scene, and makes a comeback. Maxwell disappeared for a while, and managed to do well with his album. Maxwell could have changed his name to "Max" and he would have succeeded, as long as the music is good..the fans will come.

The original Time members, weren't together as a group, playing on a consistent basis together, and making new music as a band, for more than 20 years. Everyone went their own way working on their solo projects. So even if they were able to keep their original name, they would have had to work overtime anyway, to attract new and younger fans besides the longtime fans who already know who the original members of The Time are, and are familiar with some of theirr well-known 80s classics, much of which Prince wrote.

Thing is, I can't see not being able to use the original name, being an excuse in their struggle to gain new fans. For them to make a comeback, they have to compete with many 'no-name-never-heard-of-no talent" so-called artists today, making one-phrase catchy songs on youtube, gaining first time and new fans, and receiving over 1 million hits on youtube, while becoming an overnight sensation...Rebecca Black is an example.

She was able to make a one-phrase song, that some would label as 'silly' but the Time was/is also known for one/two phrase catchy, silly songs as well, that became classic hits that many still enjoy today. So I ask, how does an "unknown, so-called artist" on youtube manages to gain over one million plus hits, on youtube in less than a week, and suddenly becomes "popular?" No one knew her name or cared, those who helped her gain over 1 million hits in less than a week, regardless of the age demographic, didn't know who she was, but apparently enjoyed her catchy song, which became a popular one-off hit on youtube. She started receiving interview offers, a thumbsup from many of today's artists, as well as an invitation to appear in a cameo spot, on one of those popular artist's video. All this she gained for the success of her catchy song with the annoying voice. Yet she was an "unknown" to most who heard her song. This is why I feel if a song or music is good from a musician/artist, the fans will come regardless of the musicians/artists' name or a band's name change. At least being an "unknown" with a 'hit' song, worked out for Rebecca Black...for now anyway.

When the former Time members aka Original7, decided to regroup after missing-in-action as a group for more than 20 years. I'm sure like any musician/artist, they were probably hoping their new cd would reach the top of the charts , with their comeback or at least make record-breaking sales, because of who they are and their music talents/history.

Scary isn't it? The way the state of the music industry is today, and what type(s) of music becomes popular and embraced quickly by the public, moreso than music from musicians/artists in the business a long time, who have to struggle to get radio play and attention for their songs/music?

[Edited 12/30/11 18:02pm]

thats a loooong reply

can you post the abridged version??

rdhull said:

jonylawson said:

The Family’s studio output was even more dominated by Prince, and his claim to control of their name may be stronger. Prince created the group by taking three members from The Time, adding two new people, and renaming them The Family. The group’s sole studio album was almost entirely a Prince production. Prince performed all bass, guitar, and keyboards on it, all the drums as well. He recorded demo tracks with his voice, which he also did for The Time’s early albums, and asked co-lead singer St. Paul Peterson to mimic his vocals. The album cover and liner notes are mostly marketing and misdirection that obscures Prince’s role.

Dude, I know and agree to all of this. What gets me is how a few months ago, folks here was all up in arms over Prince refusing names etc to be used in projects of these groups he created as if they didn't know the historical facts of it all lol.

this exchange has me scratching my head. somebody complains the article is biased, then somebody else pastes a quote apparently from the article without mentioning where it came from, and then the previous person agrees with the quote. did y'all do that on purpose? or maybe i misread it.

The article was more balanced than anything I've read here on the topic.

That article was just lazy. It was like reading through 6 months of post here on the Org, which I am 94.3% sure he did. He did not interview a single person and just pooled snippets from things he read. And I notice he did not cite all of his sources either. Not good work at all.

I understand Prince "was" The Time and The Family in terms of the albums/songwriting. But I still think he's a dick for not letting them use their band names so they can get out there and make some money. It's not like he's doing shit with either of those names anyway. It seems more like a power play on his part. And the whole BS about them diluting his legacy? Please! If anything, the bands would be diluting their OWN legacy. Prince's is solidified.

SchlomoThaHomo said:

I understand Prince "was" The Time and The Family in terms of the albums/songwriting. But I still think he's a dick for not letting them use their band names so they can get out there and make some money. It's not like he's doing shit with either of those names anyway. It seems more like a power play on his part. And the whole BS about them diluting his legacy? Please! If anything, the bands would be diluting their OWN legacy. Prince's is solidified.

I think that is such BS

First off the man puts the Time project together, makes it happen, records the music, hires them, makes the project a big hit, and when The Time is successful, Jimmy and Terry care more about doing their own thing missing concerts. Their own thing is more important. Morris is also telling everyone in the band that the gig wont last and to make sure they have something else lined up. Once Purple Rain is filmed he takes off to become a big solo star. Left the entire project hanging. Who's the dick? I am not saying Prince is still pissed off, but I wouldn't blame him.

He then takes the remaining personnel, comes up with another project, makes it happen, records the music, grooms them, prepares them for stardom and as soon as the album is out, the lead singer up and decides he wants to be a famous solo star. Who's the Dick? I am am not saying Prince is still pissed off, but I wouldn't blame.

Recently it was quoted that Mr. Paul sheepishly asked Susannah in his most whining-est little girl voice, "Do you think Prince is still mad at me.?" "OHH NOES" Susannah comforted him, rolling her eyes.

They are all now successful musicians. Jimmy and Terry are world renown writers and producers, Morris is as famous as anyone. Jesse is a great guitarist and made some great records. Everyone Prince has worked with took the experience as a springboard and took it as far as it would take them. Wendy and Lisa are acclaimed musicians, and film and television composers, Andre Cymone became a top writer and producer, Carmen Electra is a great B-movie star, Appolonia Kotero is a great double D star. They all left on their own terms and made it on their own.

Is Prince a dick for not allowing them to use the names all of these year later? I think the bigger dicks are the ones with the balls to even think of coming back to ask. More so the ones who took to the internetz famz site, mangers in tow bawling for sympathy.

The end.

[Edited 1/1/12 4:44am]

V10LETBLUES said:

SchlomoThaHomo said:

I understand Prince "was" The Time and The Family in terms of the albums/songwriting. But I still think he's a dick for not letting them use their band names so they can get out there and make some money. It's not like he's doing shit with either of those names anyway. It seems more like a power play on his part. And the whole BS about them diluting his legacy? Please! If anything, the bands would be diluting their OWN legacy. Prince's is solidified.

I think that is such BS

First off the man puts the Time project together, makes it happen, records the music, hires them, makes the project a big hit, and when The Time is successful, Jimmy and Terry care more about doing their own thing missing concerts. Their own thing is more important. Morris is also telling everyone in the band that the gig wont last and to make sure they have something else lined up. Once Purple Rain is filmed he takes off to become a big solo star. Left the entire project hanging. Who's the dick? I am not saying Prince is still pissed off, but I wouldn't blame him.

He then takes the remaining personnel, comes up with another project, makes it happen, records the music, grooms them, prepares them for stardom and as soon as the album is out, the lead singer up and decides he wants to be a famous solo star. Who's the Dick? I am am not saying Prince is still pissed off, but I wouldn't blame.

Recently it was quoted that Mr. Paul sheepishly asked Susannah in his most whining-est little girl voice, "Do you think Prince is still mad at me.?" "OHH NOES" Susannah comforted him, rolling her eyes.

They are all now successful musicians. Jimmy and Terry are world renown writers and producers, Morris is as famous as anyone. Jesse is a great guitarist and made some great records. Everyone Prince has worked with took the experience as a springboard and took it as far as it would take them. Wendy and Lisa are acclaimed musicians, and film and television composers, Andre Cymone became a top writer and producer, Carmen Electra is a great B-movie star, Appolonia Kotero is a great double D star. They all left on their own terms and made it on their own.

Is Prince a dick for not allowing them to use the names all of these year later? I think the bigger dicks are the ones with the balls to even think of coming back to ask. More so the ones who took to the internetz famz site, mangers in tow bawling for sympathy.

The end.

[Edited 1/1/12 4:44am]

In the case of The Family or fDeluxe, I don't think people give a shit either way. It's not like anybody besides the diehards even know who they are.

But the Time have been touring for years under that name with no involvement or objection from Prince and now that they want to release an album without him, they can't? What good reason could he possibly have for saying no? Old grudges from the 80s? If so, then he's one rancorous motherfucker.

The majority of the record buying public don't even know Prince was The Time. So if the album sucks, it's not like it would reflect poorly on him. And don't forget that they wrote a large chunk of the Pandemonium album. A natural progression would be that they would take an even more active role in writing the material, which is what they did on Condensate.

The 07 shit is just embarrassing. They're the Time. Always will be, with or without Prince, despite the fact that he groomed them and made them stars. I feel like them making their own album without him was too much for his control-freak self to handle and he took away the name as a kind of "fuck you."