mistermcgee said:

mistermcgee

-SWANG'sreallygonethistime

ian said:

I think I heard him say that too. In TRC, I think. not sure tho. I lost the CD cover, so I can't check the lyrics.

I don't think it is bad that Prince has his own beliefs. I am actually happy for him, anytime someone finds happiness, if it is a lover, a job, a car, a child etc. I am happy for them. I have been a FAN since 1979/80 and his courage to face one's self helped me find myself and accept myself. for that I am grateful, Do I agree with his JW beliefs, no. But do I respect his beliefs, Yes. No one can make me change my beliefs in God, What amazes me is, If Prince talked about doing drugs, most would say, (right on man) If he talked about being homosexual, most would say,(right on man) If he talked about being a player, most would say (right on man) If he talked about being a half breed, most would say, (right on man) etc. If thats who he is then thats who he is. But if he talks about religion, most people are saying (F*** him, how dare him talk about that shit) Drugs are ok, sleeping around is OK. Homosexuality is alright, etc. But Religion is not, What makes religion wrong, even coming from Prince. If you don't have your own beliefs then you are already lost, If you don't like the preaching then fine, but there were people who loved Prince and didn't like the cussing, some didn't like the sex, ect. but you don't hear them complaining, So I'd wish that you would just Shut up already, Find your own beliefs and be secure in it.

korovyov said:

Everyone has the right to ones own beliefs...

It's NOT bad that Prince has his own beliefs (even if strange).

It's BAD if u don't have YOUR own
or are concerned that your's are not in alignment with his...

I cosign with Stymie.

Prince to me used to be such a strong, independent,intelligent person.

Now all he does is follow and do what Larry tells him and he thinks he is doing what God tells him to do.

It matters a lot that he is following the JW doctrine, I mean if any of you still want Prince to be around.

Prince used to call his work and music his passion, that he would die if he didn't have it, remember?
Now, he calls it his job!!

It's ok that he is a JW sure, but he is waiting and promised something that is never going to happen.
That is the most important thing.

The reason it should matter to us is: I know I wasn't the only one attending that show where Prince said something to the effect: If you arenot a believer, I don't even want you at my show, doesn't anyone remember him saying that?

There are no more Friday nite parties/ jams someone told me that Larry told Prince that this wasnot part of his job.

The JWs are told not to mingle with people of different faiths, only to take the opportunity to whitness to them.
The funny thing is, they deny this until the cows come home but believe me it's true

Wake up people, it does matter. There isnot even a website anymore

Remember, Prince used to be his own man and he was still religious, but now he is a follower. and anyone that answered his question the way they felt was the right answer they didn't get to go on stage. I remember at one of the shows, I thought. Just like a JW. I thought this was so mean of him to do this to the fan club members. He would only do this to me once, and I feel sorry for the people it happened too.

Remember people, he is following what Larry says, and Larry doesnot give a hoot about any of the fans/people.

Remember Larry at the celebration? Did he seem like someone that you would want to follow and had a lot of wisdom?

When I saw him holding up those shoes on the last nite, I thought boy, if you arenot the most sickening, ignorant person I ever layed my eyes on. I mean, how can Prince stand to be in his company? Much less do everything he says.

I wish that Prince would go back to being a strong person.

I'm sorry people, I will probably get a lot of rap for what I said but a lot of people feel the same way I do, because at the celebration they had the same thoughts, and at the ONA shows when people found out that I had been to more than one show a lot of people asked me if Larry was there and when I told them no, they said oh, goood.

This is a topic of opinions and personal feelings and emotions. No one is wrong. I would just like to point something out though. For all of you who looked to Prince for similarities beyond the music, you were destined to be dissapointed. I found it was nice to hear someone chant "Sexuality is all we'll ever need" but I knew it wouldn't last forever as Prince could wake up on any day and change change his mind and belief system. Prince is headed in a new direction now and instead of whining and complaining about how he used to be, you people need to look elsewhere for your inspiration. Trust me, there is nothing new under the sun and there are plenty of cats out there still making songs about lust and conquest.
[This message was edited Sat Feb 22 6:35:02 PST 2003 by adorable2]

stymie


OK, I think there is a big difference between "people we care about" that we PERSONALLY know vs say, the way a celebrity "cares" about their fans ...I mean do I really need to explain
that there's a difference there? Do you really think it's possible for Prince or any celebrity for that matter, to REALLY take each and every fans feelings into consideration? I think the NPGMC
for example has taken many fan ideas,advice and feelings into consideration. As far as prince's personal beliefs...NO, he should not have to take our feelings into consideration AT ALL!

Well, in your opinion it's ridicule and in my opinion he's just trying to make a point. The song is kinda heavy, and he is an entertainer...he's got a show to put on, don't forget. I mean would
you rather he didn't do certain songs in concert? or should he just sing his damn songs and shutup already?
as far as the "Making statements to people about them not belonging to the club was not nice" comment. ummm, LOL! not nice? LOL good lord! To me, that's just a little marketing...it's
Promotion to join the club...nothing personal or "not nice" about it in my opinion.

I've been to all of the celebrations, I was in the listening sessions and in one of the 3 and a half hour discussions with Prince and Larry in the room, so please, tell me again where and when
exactly this separation of believers and non-believers happened?


OK, I was trying to make a point with the "practice what you preach" comment. You make statements such as "he doesn't give a fuck about his fans" and then insinuating comments like
"treating people with the respect you want them to treat you with counts, too" as if to say he disrespects his fans, aren't very "respectful" things to say about someone whom you do not know
personally. I can't really explain how Prince respects you...but the celebrations alone say a lot to me. The fact that the NPGMC has changed and been different each year is another clue
that fan ideas and suggestions are being taken into consideration and that says something about respect also but really we can't expect personal respect from Prince...he doesn't know us personally...but...hey thats just my

Shorty said:

You win. I give up.

ian said:

i remember these lyrics too. the 'theocratic order' turned me right off. he says something like "his woman in subjection to the wise man, and he in subjection to god" or something like that. i believe it's on 1+1+1 is 3.

why is it so bad that prince has his own beliefs?

god, everyone is getting so pissed over the JW thing. just let him do his thing, and calm the FUCK down. already

BY THE POWER INVESTED IN ME BY GOD ALL NEGATIVITY BOWS
~~~
I totally agree with you there. However people do have their opinions. I think that some just like to keep saying it over and over and over again to get their point across.

korovyov said:

Pleease,organized,patrichial,mind-controlling religion sucks!

korovyov said:

why? maybe cuz he preaches at his concerts about something we dont really care. we have our own believes too... i respect his but i dont wanna hear them at his shows...id go 2 mass 2 hear that kinda stuff.