Now Billboard Boxscore has the 25 biggest tours of 2011. Prince is not included, but this is because he apparently did not want that the numbers will be reported to the Boxscore.

I looked a litle bit and counted:

We won`t get official numbers for all the concerts because only the first ones from New York and Oakland were reported to billboard box office.

Apparently Prince did not want to tell them how sales went or make them official.

But via prince vault i was looking at the attendance for the W2A Euro Tour and approximately

450 000 to 500 000 people saw prince in Europe this year.

Then they were about 200 000 to 250 000 people durng the LA Forum shows and about 90000 in the New York Area ( 4 concerts at MSG and 2 in East Rutherfod).

Then they were 6 concerts in the carolinas plus 3 more in california.

I would say about 480 000 to 500 000 tickets were sold for all US concerts approximately.

The concert in the Tacoma dome not yet counted...

Now the eleven concerts of welcome to canada:

with 8500 to 12000 people that makes more than 100 000 people.

So that makes worlwide nearly 1 100 000 people in attendance. Rarely a concert was sold out, but with only some weeks in advance and nearly 80 to 90% full, thats not bad:)

How much is the gross now?

Many tickets in LA were cheap (25$), but the other tickets quite expensive...in the US and in Europe.

i paid in NYC 200$ and in Zurich, Cologne nearly 100€ (150$)...

So the tour grossed at least $ 80 million to more than $ 100 million

Not bad!

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[Edited 12/17/11 4:37am]

[Edited 12/18/11 3:57am]

I agree, and also believe he just don't want it to be reported.

I think that he made some serious money with this tour...

Well you know how Prince is lol

xLiberiangirl said:I agree, and also believe he just don't want it to be reported.
I think that he made some serious money with this tour...

Where did you hear that he didn't want the numbers reported?

J

linus4000 said:

Now Billboard Boxscore has the 25 biggest tours of 2011. Prince is not included, but this is because he apparently did not want that the numbers will be reported to the Boxscore.

I looked a litle bit and counted:

We won`t get official numbers for all the concerts because only the first ones from New York and Oakland were reported to billboard box office.

Apparently Prince did not want to tell them how sales went or make them official.

But via prince vault i was looking at the attendance for the W2A Euro Tour and approximately

450 000 to 500 000 people saw prince in Europe this year.

Then they were about 200 000 to 250 000 people durng the LA Forum shows and about 90000 in the New York Area ( 4 concerts at MSG and 2 in East Rutherfod).

Then they were 6 concerts in the carolinas plus 3 more in california.

I would say about 480 000 to 500 000 tickets were sold for all US concerts approximately.

The concert in the Tacoma dome not yet counted...

Now the eleven concerts of welcome to canada:

with 8500 to 12000 people that makes more than 100 000 people.

So that makes worlwide nearly 1 100 000 million people in attendance. Rarely a concert was sold out, but with only some weeks in advance and nearly 80 to 90% full, thats not bad:)

How much is the gross now?

Many tickets in LA were cheap (25$), but the other tickets quite expensive...in the US and in Europe.

i paid in NYC 200$ and in Zurich, Cologne nearly 100€ (150$)...

So the tour grossed at least $ 80 million to more than $ 100 million

Not bad!

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[Edited 12/17/11 4:37am]

alexnvrmnd777 said:

xLiberiangirl said:I agree, and also believe he just don't want it to be reported.
I think that he made some serious money with this tour...

He didn't want most of the numbers reported because those shits weren't sell-outs like he had hoped. That's why.

If he had sold everything out, you KNOW he would've had NO problem with letting it be known and bragging about it.

I just don't think his tour was extended enough to be included. He made good money but I don't think it was enough to be placed on a list.

I don't believe for a minute that he made this list. Not enough dates, bizarre residency structure to the dates oversaturating single markets, and all of the reports (and video) of half-empty arenas.... there's no way.

alexnvrmnd777 said:

xLiberiangirl said:I agree, and also believe he just don't want it to be reported.
I think that he made some serious money with this tour...

He didn't want most of the numbers reported because those shits weren't sell-outs like he had hoped. That's why.

If he had sold everything out, you KNOW he would've had NO problem with letting it be known and bragging about it.

That's true Any artist who's having a successful,soldout tour would waste no time in having the figures reported to Boxscore.

...

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There is a forum (http://www.ukmix.org/forums/viewforum.php?f=5) for everything about charts etc.

Somebody is posting every week all of the billboard charts and also the Billboard Boxscore numbers for every reported concert.

Also you get some numbers by press reports after a concert that are quite accurate...

Like i said, most concerts weren`t sold out, so this is why he probably didn`t want them to be reported to Billboard ( also because he doesn`t like charts )

So if you follow the billboard boxscore you will see that his concerts are most of the time not included...and not because they don`t sell out, because the list contains every week more than several hundreds of concerts with concerts up to a few hundred concert goers...

See the list of Billboards boxscore of Dez 12.2011 this time with Prince:

http://www.ukmix.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=86081&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=25

So i think these numbers i calculated are more or less accurate...

The concerts are mostly 80% to more than 90% full, some were sell outs like oakland, new york madison square garden etc...and some in europe, too...

This tour is a big success. A Tour doesn`t need to consist of only sell outs to be successfull...

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alexnvrmnd777 said:

xLiberiangirl said:I agree, and also believe he just don't want it to be reported.
I think that he made some serious money with this tour...

He didn't want most of the numbers reported because those shits weren't sell-outs like he had hoped. That's why.

If he had sold everything out, you KNOW he would've had NO problem with letting it be known and bragging about it.

^THIS. From bragging about his 02 blockbuster residency to making a profit from Emancipation before it even hit stores, Prince is many things, but being humble aint one of them.

RRA said:

alexnvrmnd777 said:

He didn't want most of the numbers reported because those shits weren't sell-outs like he had hoped. That's why.

If he had sold everything out, you KNOW he would've had NO problem with letting it be known and bragging about it.

^THIS. From bragging about his 02 blockbuster residency to making a profit from Emancipation before it even hit stores, Prince is many things, but being humble aint one of them.

And this says what?

linus4000 said:

So the tour grossed at least $ 80 million to more than $ 100 million

Not bad!

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Are you serious? Are you just messing with us? Are you trying to be funny? Look at the boots of those shows, it looks like the concerts are maybe 1/3 of the venue full. Imagine if the shows had sold-out. By your calcualtions the tour would have grossed 100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 or something PRETTY CLOSE to that anyway.

funksterr said:

linus4000 said:

So the tour grossed at least $ 80 million to more than $ 100 million

Not bad!

[Edited 12/17/11 4:35am]

[Edited 12/17/11 4:37am]

Are you serious? Are you just messing with us? Are you trying to be funny? Look at the boots of those shows, it looks like the concerts are maybe 1/3 of the venue full. Imagine if the shows had sold-out. By your calcualtions the tour would have grossed 100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 or something PRETTY CLOSE to that anyway.

Hello? Facts?

It looks like the concerts are 1/3 full because you listened to boots?

Please!!!!

SoulAlive said:

alexnvrmnd777 said:

He didn't want most of the numbers reported because those shits weren't sell-outs like he had hoped. That's why.

If he had sold everything out, you KNOW he would've had NO problem with letting it be known and bragging about it.

That's true Any artist who's having a successful,soldout tour would waste no time in having the figures reported to Boxscore.

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I don't think so.

1.) Hence Prince is not using the general path for promoting his music so why should he use such charts for his concerts earnings?

2.) It's a tax issue, if you disclose your numbers on such charts any tax authority will notice as well. And this is not only someting which effects the artist but also the promoter and sub-vendors.

his concerts I went to in europe sure were sold out or not far from it

linus4000 said:

funksterr said:

Are you serious? Are you just messing with us? Are you trying to be funny? Look at the boots of those shows, it looks like the concerts are maybe 1/3 of the venue full. Imagine if the shows had sold-out. By your calcualtions the tour would have grossed 100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 or something PRETTY CLOSE to that anyway.

Hello? Facts?

It looks like the concerts are 1/3 full because you listened to boots?

Please!!!!

I said LOOK at the boots and you interpreted that as LISTENED to boots. So it's not just math you have a problem with.

bobbyperu said:

^Exactly! 4 sold out concerts in Rotterdam, that is for sure. Why are we making such a big deal out of this anyway? We had a good time, that's what counts!

Co-sign!!! At the concerts I have been to in europe, people really had a great time!

I always wonder why some people here don`t want Prince to have a successful tour...it`s crazy

linus4000 said:

bobbyperu said:

^Exactly! 4 sold out concerts in Rotterdam, that is for sure. Why are we making such a big deal out of this anyway? We had a good time, that's what counts!

Co-sign!!! At the concerts I have been to in europe, people really had a great time!

I always wonder why some people here don`t want Prince to have a successful tour...it`s crazy

Of course people had a good time. But what's the point in exaggerating sales numbers and claiming your personal estimation as fact? You do realize that actual ticket sales numbers for concerts can be a very muddy issue and are not acurrately reported in the press accounts afterward. There is no way, as a fan, for you to know the gross based on reported, or estimated attendance. There are too many hidden factors to consider.

funksterr said:

linus4000 said:

Co-sign!!! At the concerts I have been to in europe, people really had a great time!

I always wonder why some people here don`t want Prince to have a successful tour...it`s crazy

Of course people had a good time. But what's the point in exaggerating sales numbers and claiming your personal estimation as fact? You do realize that actual ticket sales numbers for concerts can be a very muddy issue and are not acurrately reported in the press accounts afterward. There is no way, as a fan, for you to know the gross based on reported, or estimated attendance. There are too many hidden factors to consider.

Some concerts are official numbers, some come from the press. I did not estimate it from nowhere.

Some were official sell outs, some like the stade de france from 80 000 possible only 45000 to 50000 tickets were sold. I just tried to pull it together...

Live Nation is the promoter in Canada and the US...so if you think they make Prince a gift while performing in front of only 1/3 full arenas...go ahead!

linus4000 said:

So that makes worlwide nearly 1 100 000 million people in attendance.

1100 billion people?

linus4000 said:

funksterr said:

Of course people had a good time. But what's the point in exaggerating sales numbers and claiming your personal estimation as fact? You do realize that actual ticket sales numbers for concerts can be a very muddy issue and are not acurrately reported in the press accounts afterward. There is no way, as a fan, for you to know the gross based on reported, or estimated attendance. There are too many hidden factors to consider.

Some concerts are official numbers, some come from the press. I did not estimate it from nowhere.

Some were official sell outs, some like the stade de france from 80 000 possible only 45000 to 50000 tickets were sold. I just tried to pull it together...

Live Nation is the promoter in Canada and the US...so if you think they make Prince a gift while performing in front of only 1/3 full arenas...go ahead!

True.

Vict0r said:

linus4000 said:

So that makes worlwide nearly 1 100 000 million people in attendance.

1100 billion people?

Not really

UPDATED:

This tour was of course a big success!

We won`t get official numbers for all the concerts because only the first ones from New York and Oakland and some from the canadian tour were reported to billboard box office.

Apparently Prince did not want to tell them how sales went or make them official.

Dome people in the other thread said, it was because many voncerts were not sold out, but the vast majority of the concerts were very well attended....

Via prince vault and via press coverage i was looking at the attendance for the W2A Euro Tour and approximately 450 000 to 500 000 people saw prince in Europe this year.

Then they were about 200 000 to 250 000 people durng the LA Forum shows and about 90 000 in the New York Area ( 4 concerts at MSG and 2 in East Rutherfod).

Then they were 6 concerts in the carolinas plus 3 more in california. Plus the tacoma dome concert, which was not good attended...

About up to 500 000 tickets were sold for all US concerts approximately.

Now the eleven concerts of welcome to canada:

with 8500 to 12000 people a night that makes more than 100 000 people.

Worlwide nearly 1 100 000 people saw Prince this year.

Rarely a concert was completely sold out, but with only some weeks in advance and nearly 80 to 90% full, thats not bad:)

How much is the gross now?

Many tickets in LA were cheap (25$), but the other tickets quite expensive...in the US and in Europe.

I paid in NYC 200$ and in Zurich, Rotterdam and Cologne nearly 100€ (150$)...

So the tour grossed at least $ 80 million to more than $ 100 million...

It was reported in many newspapers that during the last months many concerts weren`t sold out....Rihanna, Elton john, Lenny Kravitz etc...

But that doesn`t mean a tour is financally not succesfull, because especially in Prince`s case, he doesn`t have a very big production like Madonna , U2, Rihanna or Lady Gaga.

Raving reviews from nearly every newspaper around the world and peoples reaction, which was enthusiastic (big exception cologne )....show that the welcome 2 america tour was big success.

I guess P got enough of my dollars in his pocket from W2A!

he made a TON of $$$$$$$$ on this tour no doubt about it...

i was shocked to see oakland full to the rafters with people with only about 3 days notice...

only prince would have the balls to pull something like that off.

i agree with the original post..... this tour probably grossed about $75M

but then P probably makes a killing on the merchandise that we all love... and probably a big cut of the profits of the box office...

ok.. so now Prince: pay off your bills, damnit!