Would Smokey count since he wrote many hit songs for various Motown artists?

HotGritz said:

Would Smokey count since he wrote many hit songs for various Motown artists?

I guess technically...but writing was his "job" at Motown.

HotGritz said:

Outside of The Time and Sheila E, none of those artist were really "put on" or made into stars. Prince has introduced a lot of artists but most have been flukes, one hit wonders or mediocre acts riding P's coat tails.

I did not say anything about making them stars.

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Graycap23 said:

HotGritz said:

Outside of The Time and Sheila E, none of those artist were really "put on" or made into stars. Prince has introduced a lot of artists but most have been flukes, one hit wonders or mediocre acts riding P's coat tails.

I did not say anything about making them stars.

[Edited 12/3/11 21:29pm]

you did say something about "careers" though, and that's a bit of a stretch for most of them too.

errant said:

Graycap23 said:

I did not say anything about making them stars.

[Edited 12/3/11 21:29pm]

you did say something about "careers" though, and that's a bit of a stretch for most of them too.

I said "start".

Graycap23 said:

errant said:

you did say something about "careers" though, and that's a bit of a stretch for most of them too.

I said "start".

So do the ex-wives count? Mayte was a dancer and still dances and Manuela, well.....she with Eric Benet so that's a job.

2elijah said:

daPrettyman said:

I would say James Brown. Though he may not have made a lot of "stars," he did have a long roster of talented musicians that played with him that moved on to fruitful careers as well as those that he wrote songs for.

Maceo Parker

Lyn Collins

Bootsy Collins

Bobby Byrd

I know I'm missing more, but these just came off of the top of my head.

If I'm not mistaken,Jimi Hendrix played in James Brown's band early in his career.

Jimi had quite a resume as a back-up man but it's not documented that he played with JB -- he did play with Little Richard though (as a guitarist, that is...)

Graycap23 said:

alphachannel said:

As for the number of people who have had hits with another artist's songs, I'd have to put Lennon/McCartney and maybe Stevie Wonder well ahead of Prince for the time being...

Can u name some of the artist whose careers were started by Lennon/McCartney and Stevie Wonder.

My mistake my friend -- I referring just to the songwriting portion of your post.

Lennon/McCartney had a handful of artists they helped establish (in conjunction with Brian Epstein), certainly nothing rivalling Prince's protege stable. As for Stevie, I think Syreeta was the only one...

I think Haruomi Hosono has been involved in more other artists' records than anyone in the world but I ain't sure how many started thanks to him.

Bill Laswell would be #2 (or maybe #1 before Hosono?), but he usually didn't put these people in the business in the first place.

ejnbmore said:

Prince has been a leader in this area for sure but he tends to do it as an extension of himself and his sound I think. I also think artists like Rick James (Teena Marie, Mary Jane Girls), Babyface (Toni Braxton, After 7). It is funny that alot of artists haven't gone down that road especially while still doing their own music. A lot of so called artists have become producers such as Puffy, Timberland, and even Pharrell and had successful endeavors.

I don't think Rick James has produced much besides the aformentioned artists and the "solo" Stone City Band albums.

alphachannel said:

2elijah said:

daPrettyman said: If I'm not mistaken,Jimi Hendrix played in James Brown's band early in his career.

Jimi had quite a resume as a back-up man but it's not documented that he played with JB -- he did play with Little Richard though (as a guitarist, that is...)

And the Isley Bros. iirc

The thread title is a little funny from a Swedish perspective because the phrase "put on" in this context has a sexual meaning and means "banged". So the thread title is: How many artists has Prince banged?

I hate how people assume "Producer" means "Musician". Twiddling some knobs and tapping some drum pads don't make you a musican Find an instrument, learn some scales and modes, and maybe....just maybe....

I argue that James Brown put many artists on... the ones that became legends:

Maceo & Melvin Parker

Bobby Byrd

Bootsy & Phelps Collins

Fred Wesley

Tammi Terrell (though Motown, and inadvertenly, Marvin Gaye, can be giving that credit)

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The only legends I see on Prince's list are Sheila E. and The Time to be technical... all the rest, their careers didn't survive the first album.

Robert3rd said:

I hate how people assume "Producer" means "Musician". Twiddling some knobs and tapping some drum pads don't make you a musican Find an instrument, learn some scales and modes, and maybe....just maybe....

If the impression of a producer's role is reduced to "twiddling some knobs" and "tapping some drum pads" then why wouldn't the studio musicians do themselves all the mixing and mastering?...

Mixing and mastering is a quite an important craft within the technical process, and which is the result as how the music buyers will eventually hear the sound quality of the final album,- or single-mix. A producer's role is as important as a musician, singer, etc.

A record producer is an individual working within the music industry, whose job is to oversee and manage the recording (i.e. "production") of an artist's music. A producer has many roles that may include, but are not limited to, gathering ideas for the project, selecting songs and/or musicians, coaching the artist and musicians in the studio, controlling the recording sessions, and supervising the entire process throughmixing and mastering. Producers also often take on a wider entrepreneurial role, with responsibility for the budget, schedules, and negotiations.

Today, the recording industry has two kinds of producers: executive producer and music producer; they have different roles. While an executive producer oversees a project's finances, a music producer oversees the creation of the music.

A music producer can, in some cases, be compared to a film director, with noted practitioner Phil Ek himself describing his role as "the person who creatively guides or directs the process of making a record, like a director would a movie. The engineer would be more the cameraman of the movie."^[1] The music producer's job is to create, shape, and mold a piece of music. The scope of responsibility may be one or two songs or an artist's entire album – in which case the producer will typically develop an overall vision for the album and how the various songs may interrelate.

In the US, before the rise of the record producer, someone from A&Rwould oversee the recording session(s), assuming responsibility for creative decisions relating to the recording.

With today's relatively easy access to technology, an alternative to the record producer just mentioned, is the so called 'bedroom producer'. With today's technological advances, it is very easy for a producer to achieve high quality tracks without the use of a single instrument. Many established artists take this approach.

In most cases the music producer is also a competent arranger, composer or songwriter who can bring fresh ideas to a project. As well as making any songwriting and arrangement adjustments, the producer is also in charge of the creative mix. He or she will liase with the sound engineer who concentrates on the technical aspects of recording, whereas the music producer keeps an eye on the overall projects marketability.

Record producer - Wikiped...cyclopedia

Genesia said:

Graycap23 said:

There are several artist that basically got their start being associated with Prince.

In addition 2 that, there are also several artist whose had a hit song or well known song that Prince wrote.

My question is, is there another artist that has direct inflence on several other artist careers?

Prince:

Dez

Andre Cymone

Sheila E (Not started by Prince by greatly influenced)

W&L

The Family

The Time

Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis

Mazarati

Vanity 6

Apolonia 6

Eric Leeds (Not started by Prince by greatly influenced)...and a few others I can't think of at the moment.

There are 2 many songs to list.

Jill Jones

Mayte (she probably wouldn't have gotten far on her That's Incredible appearance)

Carmen Electra (I think she's a waste of make-up, but she'd be nowhere without Prince)

Tamar

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Thibaut said:

Graycap23 said:

Interesting.

Not a single musician in the bunch.

Dr. Dre is 95% producer.

Yeah but all of those acts are 100x more popular than acts pushed by Prince, besides Daz from tha dogg pound plays keyboards, drum machine etc like Dre, Eminem has produced some of his own tracks too

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Dude DR. DRE has alot of hits as a performer. He was a member of NWA, he has a ton of solo number ones. Prince is not going to let any artists be bigger than he his. Thats why he picks these mildly talented artists to work with. To be fair, if he didnt give them a shot no one else would have. So he hs done good for them and their families.

of course I know dude

all I said is Dre's list totally embarasses Prince's list

Graycap23 said:

Lennon/McCartney actually wrote songs 4 other folks or are u talking about cover songs? That is 2 different things.

They've written songs for Billy J. Kramer and the Dakotas, Rolling Stones, & others in the early days. George, Paul, and/or John have written songs for different acts on the Apple label (which they started), like Mary Hopkin and Badfinger.

Graycap23 said:

alphachannel said:

As for the number of people who have had hits with another artist's songs, I'd have to put Lennon/McCartney and maybe Stevie Wonder well ahead of Prince for the time being...

Can u name some of the artist whose careers were started by Lennon/McCartney and Stevie Wonder.

Linda & Yoko. Lenda was a rock photographer and Yoko an artist before meeting Paul & John. They had little if anything to do with making music. I don't think Stevie actually put them out as acts in themselves, but Ray Parker Jr, Michael Henderson, Michael Sembello, and Deniece Williams started out with him. Syreeta doesn't count, because she released a few singles on Motown as Rita Wright before getting with Stevie.

Jermaine Jackson discovered Switch & DeBarge and also produced and played bass on some of Switch's early stuff.

Shango said:

Robert3rd said:

I hate how people assume "Producer" means "Musician". Twiddling some knobs and tapping some drum pads don't make you a musican Find an instrument, learn some scales and modes, and maybe....just maybe....

If the impression of a producer's role is reduced to "twiddling some knobs" and "tapping some drum pads" then why wouldn't the studio musicians do themselves all the mixing and mastering?...

"Twiddling knobs" would be the engineer's job, not the producer per se, unless it's a beatmaker producer.

MickyDolenz said:

Shango said:

If the impression of a producer's role is reduced to "twiddling some knobs" and "tapping some drum pads" then why wouldn't the studio musicians do themselves all the mixing and mastering?...

"Twiddling knobs" would be the engineer's job, not the producer per se, unless it's a beatmaker producer.

True, though i've noticed in some credits of albums that a producer was involved in that process, even though not always as a beatmaker producer.