Genesia said:

GoldenParachute said:

Or you can just go buy one. I thought it was well written.

I own several (I write for a living).

You are entitled to your opinion, as I am entitled to mine (which, considering my 25+ years of being paid to write and edit, is probably a tad more informed).

Pompous much ?

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Pentacle said:

The early references to religion/god in and in-between the sexual songs, were mostly shock tactics.

Then later, his slightly schizphrenic attitude towards/relationship with religion become obvious which, after some questioning (Lovesexy) and joyous (Graffiti Bridge) moments, dragged him down the JW road.

Since then, he's been a happy robot, both on and off record.

I agree,

If I'm not mistaken we really didn't hear much 'God-talk' until Purple Rain/ATWIAD era

Controversy (Do I believe in God... Our Father which art in Heaven...) is really the only Religious references on that album and we didn't hear any prior to it on Dirty Mind Prince or For U

1999 album I don't really recall much of it on there either

Parade skipped it and then Dream Factory/SOTT picked it up again a bit. I think Lovesexy is the 1st one where it's more openly interwoven throught the album

digitalelectric said:

In his youth he was on a different level musically which opened many doors for him to glean new information, but P grew up lower-middle class from Minnesota. Not in Laurel Canyon or Manhattan or a place considered a mecca for "higher enlightenment." Don't get me wrong, genius sprouts from under many leaves, but you know what I mean.

Yet here we have this little cat in his early 20s busting out as an effusively creative amalgamation of Jimmy Swaggart, James Brown, Elvis Presley, Jack Kerouac and, hell, Aleister Crowley. So self-proclaimed pious yet so deviantly x-rated. He entered into public consciousness with an extreme knowledge of yin yang duality, black/white esotericism and love/lust incisiveness you might expect would be gained through years of deep philosophic meditation and study. Where did he gain such an understanding, especially without the advantage we hold today with the world-at-your-fingertips immediacy of wired-in media? Deep thinkers spend a lifetime to only scratch the surface of what he projected when he was but a wee lad.

Of course he has his faults and has made many incoherent decisions over the years. But all geniuses do. I just want to know what he knew, and how he knew so early how to slice to the crux of controversy and and literally and figuratively embody that essence to create a kingdom through this almost otherworldly immense, precocious creativity.

A few others have said the same, Prince didn't start or get there on his own.

NouveauDance & onemorething made some very good points

If you really look at his beginnings a lot of people helped develope 'Uptown' 'Erotic City' 'Paisley Park'

It was actually Chris Moon that directed Prince in2 the more sexually explicit dept,

Soft & Wet was also a collaboration between the 2

Also, not to say that Prince has some secret inner high special knowledge, I mean there's a case to be made here that he only just beats out Madonna in this sex/god good/bad thing in his lyrics and work - I don't mean to insinuate that Prince is some philosophic genius. It IS still 4 minute pop songs we're discussing here! But this mythos Prince put into his work is infinitely more fun and engaging than the usual 'I love you, you don't love me' type lyrics - he did that, but also put another spin on it that we all dig right?

Genesia said:

When you've crapped out the thesaurus you swallowed and can write that in plain English, give me a call.

NouveauDance said:

Also, not to say that Prince has some secret inner high special knowledge, I mean there's a case to be made here that he only just beats out Madonna in this sex/god good/bad thing in his lyrics and work - I don't mean to insinuate that Prince is some philosophic genius. It IS still 4 minute pop songs we're discussing here! But this mythos Prince put into his work is infinitely more fun and engaging than the usual 'I love you, you don't love me' type lyrics - he did that, but also put another spin on it that we all dig right?

I Love U But I Don't Trust U Anymore you mean???

Dewrede said:

Genesia said:

I own several (I write for a living).

You are entitled to your opinion, as I am entitled to mine (which, considering my 25+ years of being paid to write and edit, is probably a tad more informed).

Pompous much ?

I don't recall addressing you.

But if we really want to head down that road, I could point to any number of threads relating to vegetarianism where you were similarly rude and condescending.

Have a nice day.

NouveauDance said:

Also, not to say that Prince has some secret inner high special knowledge, I mean there's a case to be made here that he only just beats out Madonna in this sex/god good/bad thing in his lyrics and work - I don't mean to insinuate that Prince is some philosophic genius. It IS still 4 minute pop songs we're discussing here! But this mythos Prince put into his work is infinitely more fun and engaging than the usual 'I love you, you don't love me' type lyrics - he did that, but also put another spin on it that we all dig right?

Yes, it was very interesting and fun and mysterious, when it wasn't 'defined' and it was apocolyptic

We knew it had christian origins but it was still more like 'this is my private struggles that I'm letting you watch on stage'

I think the Lovesexy aftermath of Graffiti Bridge was just pushing it a bit to far in that a lot of the music wasn't even inspired by that GB enlightnement. Since some of the best songs were written pre-1987. And he it seemed he was trying to hard to push a message. We got a touch of that with Lovesexy too.

I did like the Lovesexy Black album Camille struggle, I liked the light dark struggle more during Purple Rain, because it was just enough to be realistic

I think Madonna has overall done a more crisp and visuallly appealing job with weaving her struggles with God & Catholic Sex struggles. Probably because it was always more defined.

With Prince you really don't know where it's coming from. Even with the Rainbow CHildren album, which I love. He mixed a lot of other things in with JW beliefs and Egyptology and a story line that I still don't know where it came from. But I like the fantasy story line: the digital garden the banished ones etc etc

Dewrede said:

Genesia said:

I own several (I write for a living).

You are entitled to your opinion, as I am entitled to mine (which, considering my 25+ years of being paid to write and edit, is probably a tad more informed).

Pompous much ?

[Edited 11/30/11 5:32am]

More kind of a inferiority complex. Whenever a non native speaker posts on here, she just needs to bring up that she's a "professional writer"

Soulstar77A said:

Dewrede said:

Pompous much ?

[Edited 11/30/11 5:32am]

More kind of a inferiority complex. Whenever a non native speaker posts on here, she just needs to bring up that she's a "professional writer"

You're funny.

Genesia said: