jonylawson said:

alphastreet said:

I'm a way bigger MJ fan than Prince, but I also think Prince is an amazing musician and respect him a great deal for it. I don't like every single Prince song, but the many I do, are AMAZING! I feel that the only performer by far that threatens MJ onstage is Prince, I wouldn't even say that about Janet, and she's my second favourite artist and I love her shows. And MJ is not completely Disney, he has mass appeal and is universal, he does a little bit of something for everyone. Plus, both have influenced the sound of contemporary music and dance since 83/84, a lot of songs sound like they could be MJ inspired or Prince inspired.

Both bring out my freaky side too, so they're both doing something right, but in different capacities

[Edited 11/8/11 17:34pm]

Now that would be Quincy Jones, not Michael. Prince produced himself. And it is the producer who determines the sound of the song/album. I started out being a huge MJ fan and I still love his music. But Prince is underestimated when it comes down to talent and skills. That hit me when I saw him live for the first time in '88. I would have never bought tickets or an album if I hadn't won both on a radio contest. But I'm glad I did.

BitetheBeat said:

jonylawson said:

quincy or rod not write it??

who wrote bad?

Of course Quincy or Rod didn't write Bad! MJ did that one all by himself...

michael wrote most of the songs on the bad album.

wally1970 said:

jonylawson said:

lisa

"he didnt think it was funky,he didnt like the vibe of it"

wendy"he laughd at the first line"

eric leeds.."michael wasnt a musician,prince was.complete opposites"

fascinating !

Thats right !!!! Michael wasnt a musician , prince was

Everyone already knows that.

David1974 said:

alphastreet said:

I'm a way bigger MJ fan than Prince, but I also think Prince is an amazing musician and respect him a great deal for it. I don't like every single Prince song, but the many I do, are AMAZING! I feel that the only performer by far that threatens MJ onstage is Prince, I wouldn't even say that about Janet, and she's my second favourite artist and I love her shows. And MJ is not completely Disney, he has mass appeal and is universal, he does a little bit of something for everyone. Plus, both have influenced the sound of contemporary music and dance since 83/84, a lot of songs sound like they could be MJ inspired or Prince inspired.

Both bring out my freaky side too, so they're both doing something right, but in different capacities

[Edited 11/8/11 17:34pm]

Now that would be Quincy Jones, not Michael. Prince produced himself. And it is the producer who determines the sound of the song/album. I started out being a huge MJ fan and I still love his music. But Prince is underestimated when it comes down to talent and skills. That hit me when I saw him live for the first time in '88. I would have never bought tickets or an album if I hadn't won both on a radio contest. But I'm glad I did.

Quincy did a lot too, even before Michael's time and with other artists, but people also forget that Quincy's name is nowhere to be found on the credits for Billie Jean and even Smooth Criminal. That was all Michael.

BitetheBeat said:

Dsoul said:

Does anyone here remember Barry Gibb talking about how insecure Jacko was regarding Prince? He said he could never understand it but Jacko would cry and keep asking who he thought was the better artist.

Saw it in a documentary but can't recall which.

Seriously? Anyhow,no I don't remember any of this but thats funny as hell especially if its true. I read a VERY similar story in the Enquirer(dont ask lol) about MJ but Emimen was the target. I do remember Barry Gibb just gushing about Prince in a VH1 artists special...Prince was 18,MJ was 40.

[Edited 11/13/11 10:38am]

Yes seriously. It's a shame nobody else recalls it as I would like to work out where I saw Barry tell the story.

Mindflux said:

imago said:

Oh lawd, where do I even start with how brilliantly camp these two videos are?

I'll start with MJ:

BAD:

Even today, knowing what to expect, I bust out laughing when I see the MJ video. The "You ain't bad!!! You ain't nothin'" belted out like Paul Lind on helium trying to sound gansta is like an omen that you're in for one truly gay treat. And I don't mean gay like "dude, that is soooo gay.", but gay in the most ass-pounding sense.

The hollering "hoooooo'ssss" and the spitty sounding "dahhhh's" and the gratuitous mouth-whipes only add to the hilarity of the video. Coupled with his frankentien meets Pinhead outfit, sort of like a Dominitrix outfit designed by Vera Wang, and his get-along buddies dancing street gang pose', how could one not laugh their asses off?

Then to make it even more special, the scene where MJ pulls the cover off of the air vent, and let's the air whip through his greasy jerry-curl

mullet like a York Peppermint Paddy meets Soul-glo commercial, and your slippery slide into MJ comedy hell is complete.

MNIP

Now, this video is a real treat. The Judas Priest meets Zoro the Gay Blade outfit is amazing. But where MJ's bad is just one giant sausage party that stars on overgrown boy-child with extremely bad fashion sense, Prince throws in a Latino bombshell with an Egyptian-inspired identity crisis and plump, red, shock-absorbant DSLs.

Taking ques from The Sound oF Music where Maria manages to run from the top of the Guntersburg down into the abbey (a 35 minute drive) in about 5 1/2 minutes, Prince's Paisley park party spills out into the narrow allyways of downtown Minneapolis in what amounts to a very camp rave, but with black people erupts. It's a video that defies logic and the rules of pyshics. There's everything in this video--homoerotic hip hop dancing, Prince making some very strange hip gyrations in heels and a gun-mic.. a mysterious box presented by a female with a mighty nice box of her own, god-speak (would our lord be happy if he came 2day?), a Robert Mapplethorpe inspired chain-mask and police cap tha screams "I'm a bottom, but I like pain......hurt me!", and of course the chorus line, which itself is both odd and camp.... "My name is Prince....My name is Prince....My name is Prince...."

But here's the thing.....

MNIP feels insane. It feels unsafe...it feels horendously over-the-top and ballsy.

Bad, on the other hand, like much of the album itself, feels utterly safe and sterile, if not well-composed and put together. I mean, who hasn't listened to Dirty Diana, and thought that it was a safer version of Darlin Nikki---basically Darlin Nikki but with a condom on?

Bad is a production...a show.

My Name is Prince is art of both the lowest and highest form.

Both.....are.....hilarious.

.

[Edited 11/9/11 9:50am]

Quite brilliant!

thank you

[Edited 11/30/11 6:22am]

I only like handfuls of 90's Prince songs though the ones I like are fabulous. With MJ I like mostly everything if not every single song. And yep Dangerous and HIStory are brilliant

My favourite 90's Prince album is New Power Soul, and albums wih strong tracks are Diamonds & Pearls, Chaos & Disorder, Gold Experience

Prince, in his terrible song My Name is Prince, said it pretty succinctly. "My name is Prince, I don't want to be king, cuz I've seen the top and it's just a dream"

He managed [to some degree] to escape the expectations that purple rain put on his shoulders, and MJ never escaped--he kept trying to outdo himself. Prince managed to just be a musician and make a lot of fun & creative choices, and not be locked into making the thing that would top Purple Rain.

Yes MJ was clearly a perfectionist, and maybe he never released a mediocre album (or a dozen) but if I had to be Prince or MJ, I certainly know which one I would be.

That interview with Chris Rock is funny, though.

"I'm not singing that to him, and he's definitely not singing that to me!!"

I always felt the title track to Bad was one of the album's weakest cuts (and don't get me wrong, I love the album). But I don't blame Prince from steering clear of that song.

Though I love the song, it was the only one I knew when the era was happening cause I was too young. I wish I knew more songs back then, I didn't have the album until the 90's.

afro75 said:

I always felt the title track to Bad was one of the album's weakest cuts (and don't get me wrong, I love the album). But I don't blame Prince from steering clear of that song.

It's okay, but you just have to laugh at the background vocals during the chorus

"I'M BAD!! I'M BAD!!!!!....(rea-lly rea-lly bad!!!)"

imago said:

Oh lawd, where do I even start with how brilliantly camp these two videos are?

I'll start with MJ:

BAD:

Even today, knowing what to expect, I bust out laughing when I see the MJ video. The "You ain't bad!!! You ain't nothin'" belted out like Paul Lind on helium trying to sound gansta is like an omen that you're in for one truly gay treat. And I don't mean gay like "dude, that is soooo gay.", but gay in the most ass-pounding sense.

The hollering "hoooooo'ssss" and the spitty sounding "dahhhh's" and the gratuitous mouth-whipes only add to the hilarity of the video. Coupled with his frankentien meets Pinhead outfit, sort of like a Dominitrix outfit designed by Vera Wang, and his get-along buddies dancing street gang pose', how could one not laugh their asses off?

Then to make it even more special, the scene where MJ pulls the cover off of the air vent, and let's the air whip through his greasy jerry-curl mullet like a York Peppermint Paddy meets Soul-glo commercial bests any hair twirl Charlie's Angels ever had, making your slippery slide into MJ comedy hell complete.

MNIP

Now, this video is a real treat. The Judas Priest meets Zoro the Gay Blade outfit is amazing. But where MJ's bad is just one giant sausage party that stars on overgrown boy-child with extremely bad fashion sense, Prince throws in a Latino bombshell with an Egyptian-inspired identity crisis and plump, red, shock-absorbant DSLs.

Taking ques from The Sound oF Music where Maria manages to run from the top of the Guntersburg down into the abbey (a 35 minute drive) in about 5 1/2 minutes, Prince's Paisley park party spills out into the narrow allyways of downtown Minneapolis erupting into what amounts to a very camp rave, but with black people. It's a video that defies logic and the rules of pyshics. There's everything in this video--homoerotic hip hop dancing, Prince making some very strange hip gyrations in heels and a gun-mic.. a mysterious box presented by a female with a mighty nice box of her own, god-speak (would our lord be happy if he came 2day?), a Robert Mapplethorpe inspired chain-mask and police cap tha screams "I'm a bottom, but I like pain......hurt me!", and of course the chorus line, which itself is both odd and camp.... "My name is Prince....My name is Prince....My name is Prince...."

But here's the thing.....

MNIP feels insane. It feels unsafe...it feels horendously over-the-top and ballsy.

Bad, on the other hand, like much of the album itself, feels utterly safe and sterile, if not well-composed and put together. I mean, who hasn't listened to Dirty Diana, and thought that it was a safer version of Darlin Nikki---basically Darlin Nikki but with a condom on?

Bad is a production...a show.

My Name is Prince is art of both the lowest and highest form.

Both.....are.....hilarious.

.

[Edited 11/10/11 2:08am]

what would we do without you dan?

wally1970 said:

jonylawson said:

lisa

"he didnt think it was funky,he didnt like the vibe of it"

wendy"he laughd at the first line"

eric leeds.."michael wasnt a musician,prince was.complete opposites"

fascinating !

Thats right !!!! Michael wasnt a musician , prince was

Lol, ok then but here something for you. Michael was a musician. Michael did produce ,composed and wrire songs. Furthermore, everyone can play a musical instrument. That's the easies thing to do. My mother plays the piano, the violin and the guitar. Does that make her a musician? No. Would you compare her with Prince because she is a multy instrumentalist? But nice try to downplay Jackson's musical skills. Not a good point though.

So here something from Prince about MJ:

Prince Radio Interview 2000,

During the early 2000s, Prince was being interviewed (radio, I think) and the interviewer played a game with him. He said that he would hold up cards with names on them and Prince had to say the first thing that came to mind. The interviewer held up a card that said ‘Michael Jackson’ and Prince responded ‘Genius’. Later on, the interviewer held up a card that said ‘Janet Jackson’ and Prince responded ‘The genuis’ sister.”

Everyone have their preferences thought. For me Jackson's 90 era stuff can put Prince's 90 era stuff to shame.

NDRU said:

afro75 said:

I always felt the title track to Bad was one of the album's weakest cuts (and don't get me wrong, I love the album). But I don't blame Prince from steering clear of that song.

It's okay, but you just have to laugh at the background vocals during the chorus

"I'M BAD!! I'M BAD!!!!!....(rea-lly rea-lly bad!!!)"

"Bad bad...really, really bad."

smoothcriminal12 said:

NDRU said:

It's okay, but you just have to laugh at the background vocals during the chorus

"I'M BAD!! I'M BAD!!!!!....(rea-lly rea-lly bad!!!)"

"Bad bad...really, really bad."

Shamone!!!

smoothcriminal12 said:

NDRU said:

It's okay, but you just have to laugh at the background vocals during the chorus

"I'M BAD!! I'M BAD!!!!!....(rea-lly rea-lly bad!!!)"

"Bad bad...really, really bad."

Yeah right. I quote:

"DO THAT! DO THAT! SOMEBODY DO THAT! *OWWW WAAAA!!!!!!* HURT ME!"

Now that's some funny shit. Really children, it's a wash.

[Edited 12/2/11 4:27am]

niki5017 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I have some good stuff on that time period, from 1983-1988 with Prince & Michael,

they had some competitive fun stuff between them.

Prince beating Michael @ ping pong, hitting Michael in the groin

then Michael turning around and wanting to do Bad with Prince

I still love the James Brown show were Michael did his thing and had James call Prince up

Prince was already in his 1st Avenue 1983 PR vibe, riding on the back of Chick

Hi OldFriends,

Would you be interested in making a thread devoted to "1983-1988 with Prince & Michael", I ask you because I always enjoy your informative threads devoted to the different eras of Prince's music. I am a fan of both Michael and Prince and but I was a toddler when these two were at the height of their careers so I have no real knowledge of their friendship.

If you do not want make a thread devoted to thier friendship or you think it would ignite a Prince Vs. Michael war I understand. I would love to see some of the info that you have concerning thier friendship so I figured it could not hurt to ask.

There's also the one will.i.am told about seeing Prince in Vegas w/ MJ, and Prince just goes up to MJ's face and plays bass. Then walks away. WTF?

Michael only sold more than Madonna and Prince because he is Disney.

kids and adults loved his safe music. Kids werent going to the story rushing to buy "like a virgin" and "Dirty Mind" for example. I mean come on, Prince is one of the reasons why parental labels were put on albums!

imago said:

Oh lawd, where do I even start with how brilliantly camp these two videos are?

I'll start with MJ:

BAD:

Even today, knowing what to expect, I bust out laughing when I see the MJ video. The "You ain't bad!!! You ain't nothin'" belted out like Paul Lind on helium trying to sound gansta is like an omen that you're in for one truly gay treat. And I don't mean gay like "dude, that is soooo gay.", but gay in the most ass-pounding sense.

The hollering "hoooooo'ssss" and the spitty sounding "dahhhh's" and the gratuitous mouth-whipes only add to the hilarity of the video. Coupled with his frankentien meets Pinhead outfit, sort of like a Dominitrix outfit designed by Vera Wang, and his get-along buddies dancing street gang pose', how could one not laugh their asses off?

Then to make it even more special, the scene where MJ pulls the cover off of the air vent, and let's the air whip through his greasy jerry-curl mullet like a York Peppermint Paddy meets Soul-glo commercial bests any hair twirl Charlie's Angels ever had, making your slippery slide into MJ comedy hell complete.

MNIP

Now, this video is a real treat. The Judas Priest meets Zoro the Gay Blade outfit is amazing. But where MJ's bad is just one giant sausage party that stars on overgrown boy-child with extremely bad fashion sense, Prince throws in a Latino bombshell with an Egyptian-inspired identity crisis and plump, red, shock-absorbant DSLs.

Taking ques from The Sound oF Music where Maria manages to run from the top of the Guntersburg down into the abbey (a 35 minute drive) in about 5 1/2 minutes, Prince's Paisley park party spills out into the narrow allyways of downtown Minneapolis erupting into what amounts to a very camp rave, but with black people. It's a video that defies logic and the rules of pyshics. There's everything in this video--homoerotic hip hop dancing, Prince making some very strange hip gyrations in heels and a gun-mic.. a mysterious box presented by a female with a mighty nice box of her own, god-speak (would our lord be happy if he came 2day?), a Robert Mapplethorpe inspired chain-mask and police cap tha screams "I'm a bottom, but I like pain......hurt me!", and of course the chorus line, which itself is both odd and camp.... "My name is Prince....My name is Prince....My name is Prince...."

But here's the thing.....

MNIP feels insane. It feels unsafe...it feels horendously over-the-top and ballsy.

Bad, on the other hand, like much of the album itself, feels utterly safe and sterile, if not well-composed and put together. I mean, who hasn't listened to Dirty Diana, and thought that it was a safer version of Darlin Nikki---basically Darlin Nikki but with a condom on?

Bad is a production...a show.

My Name is Prince is art of both the lowest and highest form.

Both.....are.....hilarious.

.

[Edited 11/10/11 2:08am]

The story of Prince rejecting "Bad" had been told so often, that I had skipped over this thread, but I'm soooo glad I was bored and happened to click on it. This is hilarious! Yet so accurate! You are genius at combining humor and truth.

Your conclusion at "But here's the thing" is true too - MNIP is just so insane, it's kind of scary, and fascinating. There's a "I don't give a fuck" je ne sais quoi about it. When I saw the "In Living Color" Jamie Foxx parody of it, I couldn't really tell which was the parody and the real one, lol.

diamond537 said:

Michael only sold more than Madonna and Prince because he is Disney.

kids and adults loved his safe music. Kids werent going to the story rushing to buy "like a virgin" and "Dirty Mind" for example. I mean come on, Prince is one of the reasons why parental labels were put on albums!

Aint nothing Disney about Billie Jean and Lady in My Life....you think Rock With You is about rocking horses, or a rocking chair? When homosexuality rumors were flying during Thriller(and stuff about hormones before), people started being mean too from what I hear, so yes, like the other two, people had their opinions about MJ I'm sure. He had to do a press conference to address these rumors.

[Edited 12/5/11 3:36am]

crazymouse said:

wally1970 said:

jonylawson said:

Lol, ok then but here something for you. Michael was a musician. Michael did produce ,composed and wrire songs. Furthermore, everyone can play a musical instrument. That's the easies thing to do. My mother plays the piano, the violin and the guitar. Does that make her a musician? No. Would you compare her with Prince because she is a multy instrumentalist? But nice try to downplay Jackson's musical skills. Not a good point though.

So here something from Prince about MJ:

Prince Radio Interview 2000,

During the early 2000s, Prince was being interviewed (radio, I think) and the interviewer played a game with him. He said that he would hold up cards with names on them and Prince had to say the first thing that came to mind. The interviewer held up a card that said ‘Michael Jackson’ and Prince responded ‘Genius’. Later on, the interviewer held up a card that said ‘Janet Jackson’ and Prince responded ‘The genuis’ sister.”

No offense but playing an instrument is not "easy"- especially playing it to the level that Prince does. Not everyone can play a musical instrument and its pretty rare to have the all round musicianship of someone like Prince

hhhhdmt said:

crazymouse said:

I agree. It reminds me of the scene in This Is It where Michael is trying to get the keyboad player (Greg P?) to get the right tempo of a newer take on The Way You Make Me Feel by stating "no..make it feel lazy..like just geting out of bed" or something like that. Now if it were Prince, he would have been able to play it the way he wanted it to sound instead of explain it etc.

jonylawson said:

lisa

"he didnt think it was funky,he didnt like the vibe of it"

wendy"he laughd at the first line"

eric leeds.."michael wasnt a musician,prince was.complete opposites"

fascinating !

He laughed at the first line, not the song itself. He allegedly said the song would be a hit with or without him.

thesexofit said:

jonylawson said:

lisa

"he didnt think it was funky,he didnt like the vibe of it"

wendy"he laughd at the first line"

eric leeds.."michael wasnt a musician,prince was.complete opposites"

fascinating !

He laughed at the first line, not the song itself. He allegedly said the song would be a hit with or without him.

theres lots of songs i can laugh at for being horrible, but will still be a hit. quality=/=hit. but im not saying its not a good song

I always dug the song "bad". It's slick, sexy, funky, has a great bridge and a hot organ solo which is in itself was abit perculiar considering when it was released ('87).

It also sounds like little else at that time. It's very high tech. It helps to get shit loads of musicians on it though to get that extra sheen LOL.

uuhson said:

thesexofit said:

He laughed at the first line, not the song itself. He allegedly said the song would be a hit with or without him.

theres lots of songs i can laugh at for being horrible, but will still be a hit. quality=/=hit. but im not saying its not a good song

I love Bad but shit is tryhard as hell.

I have major love for both of these guys .

Billie Jean vs Little Red Corvette

Bad vs U Got The Look

Classic.