blacknote said:

Before this thread loses steam or gets locked, I wanted to throw this into the mix. A former Washington, DC disc jockey by the name of C. Miles said during a radio interview that the difference between MJ and Prince that is Prince exploited sex to gain popularity. Does anyone have any thoughts on his statement? Agree or disagree?

I would say Prince did that to avoid people saying he was gay like they did MJ. He was a tiny dude in high heels and sequins, but he was surrounded by beautiful women, so no way he was gay. Homophobia used to be much more acceptable and mainstream than it is today.

NouveauDance said:

alphastreet said:

And MJ is not completely Disney, he has mass appeal and is universal, he does a little bit of something for everyone.

I think that is exactly what was meant by 'Disney'.

Yep, you beat me to it.

Fuck this thread.

Does anyone here remember Barry Gibb talking about how insecure Jacko was regarding Prince? He said he could never understand it but Jacko would cry and keep asking who he thought was the better artist.

Saw it in a documentary but can't recall which.

smoothcriminal12 said:

Fuck this thread.

WTF??

Cheers mate..just the sort of post that will end up degenerating this post

nice one

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

QUESTLOVE: Michael attended many of the Purple Rain concerts. I have the four Purple Rain shows that were in Los Angeles in ’84. And now that I realize that Mike was in the audience, I often watch it to see if I can spot him [laughs]. But it makes you think. Why was Mike there four nights in a row? You have already created Thriller, you’ve done the Moonwalk, you’ve done the groundbreaking videos and you’ve sold a million a week. You are officially in the Guinness Book of World Records. For all intents and purposes, Purple Rain sold 15 million units, but it was hardly the 33 million that Thriller went on to sell. So why are you this curious to who is behind you? Then I realized that you can’t be that successful without being competitive. Michael knew Prince was a serious threat.

Even up to MJ's tragic death he was still very competitive of Prince & wanted to do everything he could to set records that Prince couldn't keep up with.He felt god was going to give Prince his ideas if he didn't do all he could be.

Prince's name was brought up a few times during the Conrad trial. The main reason Mj wanted to play 50 nights in london was to beat prince record there at the O2 arena. Which i felt he couldn't even if the tragic events never happen..

that is a cool pic

Dsoul said:

Does anyone here remember Barry Gibb talking about how insecure Jacko was regarding Prince? He said he could never understand it but Jacko would cry and keep asking who he thought was the better artist.

Just the image of Jackson sobbing to Barry Gibb is a funny image even if it is apocryphal!

NouveauDance said:

Dsoul said:

Does anyone here remember Barry Gibb talking about how insecure Jacko was regarding Prince? He said he could never understand it but Jacko would cry and keep asking who he thought was the better artist.

Just the image of Jackson sobbing to Barry Gibb is a funny image even if it is apocryphal!

most shit on here is apocryphal!

i loved the warlock story

jonylawson said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

Fuck this thread.

WTF??

Cheers mate..just the sort of post that will end up degenerating this post

nice one

Honestly, wrong post in the wrong thread. Sorry.

smoothcriminal12 said:

jonylawson said:

WTF??

Cheers mate..just the sort of post that will end up degenerating this post

nice one

Honestly, wrong post in the wrong thread. Sorry.

Dude its about PRINCE

its about why PRINCE turned down bad

its about ?loves story on PRINCE too

its about wendy and lisa nd eric leeds talking about PRINCE and hs reasons

its on a forum called PRINCE,MUSIC AND MORE

*i am spelling it out*?!!

plus i NEVER would think of looking at tha MJ sticky..ever to find info like i have learnt of this thread

that ?love story is AMAZING.

jonylawson said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

Honestly, wrong post in the wrong thread. Sorry.

Dude its about PRINCE

its about why PRINCE turned down bad

its about ?loves story on PRINCE too

its about wendy and lisa nd eric leeds talking about PRINCE and hs reasons

its on a forum called PRINCE,MUSIC AND MORE

*i am spelling it out*?!!

I said I put the wrong post in the wrong thread, dude.

smoothcriminal12 said:

jonylawson said:

Dude its about PRINCE

its about why PRINCE turned down bad

its about ?loves story on PRINCE too

its about wendy and lisa nd eric leeds talking about PRINCE and hs reasons

its on a forum called PRINCE,MUSIC AND MORE

*i am spelling it out*?!!

I said I put the wrong post in the wrong thread, dude.

well im a man when wrong will apologise........

i apologise

humbly!

This thread inspired me to watch Bad again to see if it really was as bad as I remembered. And...it did not disappoint. I laughed all over again.

its so...wrong when michael keeps crotch grabbing...........

jonylawson said:

its so...wrong when michael keeps crotch grabbing...........

EVERYTHING about the video is wrong. But, the song is so listless and boring, not even a Thriller style video could have saved it.

imago said:

jonylawson said:

its so...wrong when michael keeps crotch grabbing...........

EVERYTHING about the video is wrong. But, the song is so listless and boring, not even a Thriller style video could have saved it.

quincy or rod not write it??

who wrote bad?

Prince was so wrong for scaring MJ in the early 80's with a "present" years before the Bad proposal I could imagine MJ being superstitious and scared for real cause of his religion, and it makes me laugh a little, but not in a mean way, cause from the way people talk about him then, he reminds me of how I used to try to be in my early 20's and laugh at it

jonylawson said:

its so...wrong when michael keeps crotch grabbing...........

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jonylawson said:

imago said:

EVERYTHING about the video is wrong. But, the song is so listless and boring, not even a Thriller style video could have saved it.

quincy or rod not write it??

who wrote bad?

Of course Quincy or Rod didn't write Bad! MJ did that one all by himself...

Dsoul said:

Does anyone here remember Barry Gibb talking about how insecure Jacko was regarding Prince? He said he could never understand it but Jacko would cry and keep asking who he thought was the better artist.

Saw it in a documentary but can't recall which.

Seriously? Anyhow,no I don't remember any of this but thats funny as hell especially if its true. I read a VERY similar story in the Enquirer(dont ask lol) about MJ but Emimen was the target. I do remember Barry Gibb just gushing about Prince in a VH1 artists special...Prince was 18,MJ was 40.

[Edited 11/13/11 10:38am]

blacknote said:

Before this thread loses steam or gets locked, I wanted to throw this into the mix. A former Washington, DC disc jockey by the name of C. Miles said during a radio interview that the difference between MJ and Prince that is Prince exploited sex to gain popularity. Does anyone have any thoughts on his statement? Agree or disagree?

Agreed. But so did MJ and 90% of musical acts.

It's always been about sex, drugs, and rock n roll regarding the biz.

I thought this was an interesting documetary but I thought they missed an angle that could have been quite interesting to explore - Janet Jackson and Jam & Lewis.

I wonder how both MJ and Prince reacted to their sibling/ex-colleagues working together - especially when Rhythm Nation dropped and was a massive Minneapolis sounding record. MJ must have been furious to hear little sister yelling 'Minneapolis' on Escapade. Prince must have been laughing at Janet's back turning on her brother and his production values whilst also, probably, being quite annoyed that she had gone to 'the opposition' in the form of J&L. Interviews with these three and the conversations they had about their erstwhile family and friends would have been insightful.

I aso thought the end of the documentary undersold Prince, to a large extent. It gets to the break-up of The Revolution and fails to really mention the esteem Prince was held in for Sign O The Times and Lovesexy - especially peculiar as this is a European Documentary. Prince was massive in Europe at the fall of the 80s. He certainly eclipsed MJ artistically during this time. I wonder if it was merely the fact that MJ didn't release anything during this time that they left it out.

That said... I love hearing Eric and Allan Leeds talk about their time with Prince... they still sound amazed at the heights of popularity reached by him. Also, I would have loved to have heard the barbed outtakes from Wendy and Lisa... if they were allowed to elaborate on the themes re Prince's distancing himself from the band and thmselves.

An enjoyable film.

BoySimon said:

I need to go back and listen to me some Dance ON. I don't think I've ever heard that voice...

The banter would have been light-hearted at times and would also have been smothered in vitriol at others. Remember, these were the two 'proteges' who went off and had the temerity to have commercial success without Prince's permission. How Dare They! I wonder if they rival him in album sales - minus Purple Rain... maybe including... I shall have to go and find out.

see what intersting threads we CAN have ...................!!

I remember like it was yesterday... I was a wee young skater and moved away from the pop scene. I stopped listening to Prince when Lovesexy came out. Love the album now, just was not something I could get into back then, American hardcore was way more important and better. Anyway, at my friends house and we came inside from skating his ramp and MTV had a big "world premiere" thing going on. Being fans of thiller, we decided to watch. I thought it was a joke, seriously. You can take risks and I respect that but I could not figure out who in the world is going to like this song? One of the worst/silliest songs I think I have ever heard.

After I heard the first line I told my buddy that "Wierd Al is going to tear this song up". Your butt is mine? I'm with Prince on this one.

imagining Prince's face while listening to Escapade, that's funny

The song Bad didn't stand out right away to me either as a kid though I remember it everywhere, but when I heard it again in the 90's and saw the video in full though I did see it in the 80's when I was very young, I loved it so much! But I think it was the other Bad era songs that really made me appreciate the era when I got to know them when catching up, and it's now my favourite era.

[Edited 11/16/11 17:14pm]

Interesting read, what is the name of that documentary?