thedance said:

My reasons to hate Larry Graham:

The old crappy music Larry brought to Prince's setlists... like Everyday People - I Want To Take You Higher - Thankyoufalletinmebemiceelfagin etc...

Those old Larry G./ Graham Central Station songs are making me:

Then there's the religious sect, the Jehovah thing:

Prince censoring his dirty words in his music.....

lots of reasons for a Prince fan to really hate Larry Graham with a passion!!

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Come on now, those songs aren't crappy. I can see you not liking the NPG singing them, though.

Everyone, most, y'all, some, a pwrson on hear said they hated Larry cause he turned Prince onto the JWs & doesn't swear or lays down anymore. Wasn't Me.

Eros's threads are like parties to locks.

DANCING DANCING DANCING! SHE'S A DANCING MACHINE!!

NeonCraxx said:

thedance said:

My reasons to hate Larry Graham:

The old crappy music Larry brought to Prince's setlists... like Everyday People - I Want To Take You Higher - Thankyoufalletinmebemiceelfagin etc...

Those old Larry G./ Graham Central Station songs are making me:

Then there's the religious sect, the Jehovah thing:

Prince censoring his dirty words in his music.....

lots of reasons for a Prince fan to really hate Larry Graham with a passion!!

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Love your name, The Dance,

Every human...including Prince is allowed to:

A spiritual belief

Hairstyle

Design clothing

Home

Contentment of choice

As are you The Dance

The Max

Wait a minute?

Larry Graham's music? CRAPPY?!

Aw hell, now you done done it now...

daPrettyman said:

thedance said:

My reasons to hate Larry Graham:

The old crappy music Larry brought to Prince's setlists... like Everyday People - I Want To Take You Higher - Thankyoufalletinmebemiceelfagin etc...

thedance said:

The old crappy music Larry brought to Prince's setlists... like Everyday People - I Want To Take You Higher - Thankyoufalletinmebemiceelfagin etc...

Those are Sly And The Family Stone songs, not Larry Graham songs

I don't hate Larry. He's a music icon, a legendary musician and a sharp artist in his own right (I'm old enough to remember that).

Prince is 50-something. For more than 3 decades, he's been grown.

Anyone who blames Larry for P's spiritual choices probably blames Londell for Prince asking fans to send their bootlegs to him, too.

blueharmony84 said:

thedance said:

I can use the word "dislike" instead of "hate" - "hate" is such a powerful word right?

Btw. I take my warning from the mods for being inappropriate, in case someone is wondering: the yt clip was a "humorous" clip from the film: Life Of Brian.

but let me take the warning. I hope this isn't causing me trouble to discribe what the yt link was about, to those who did not see it.

Allways look on the bright side of life

Dunno which part of life of Brian you've posted, but given the fact it was snipped makes the recent statement of on of the Monty Phython guys true. He stated that in this time, the movie would have been criticised more (because peolple feeling offended) then in the time when it was released And if it were about Mohammed, they probably would have been killed.

Religulous !

daPrettyman said:

thedance said:

My reasons to hate Larry Graham:

The old crappy music Larry brought to Prince's setlists... like Everyday People - I Want To Take You Higher - Thankyoufalletinmebemiceelfagin etc...

Those old Larry G./ Graham Central Station songs are making me:

Then there's the religious sect, the Jehovah thing:

Prince censoring his dirty words in his music.....

lots of reasons for a Prince fan to really hate Larry Graham with a passion!!

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Come on now, those songs aren't crappy. I can see you not liking the NPG singing them, though.

eros said:

What's with all of the finger pointing in his direction? What EXACTLY did he do to influence Prince's music in a negative direction as you see it? Please elaborat

Its only an issue if people make an issue out of it, like creating threads like this.

Don't you wish there was a lock moonwalking emotion? Aw well.

And another thing do people think that Larry gives a rat arse what anyone one thinks on here about him When Larry is on stage and theres 20+ thousand Prince fans cheering him and thousands cheering him when he does his own gigs coz of his badass bass playing and hes a bit of a legend in his own right, and lets not forget Larry has his own fans that are not Prince fans(met one at work) then compare that to a handful of whining orgers on how hes taken their Prince away from them, hmmm, the only people its effecting is those individuals with their such dislike for the man they dont't even know and probably not even seen him live.

So OP as I said b4 its only an issue if you want it to be.

Last year I read an interview with Larry Graham on MoQuake where he stated that Prince himself actually approached him after a show and wanted to know more about the JW faith.

More proof that it was totally Prince's decision.

It seems as though Larry only became the scapegoat after Prince would say things in interviews like, "You know Larry stopped me swearing."

Although, about 2 weeks ago I met those twin girls that danced with him during the "21 Nights" era and when one of them was talking about how Prince gets a good chuckle out of that video on YouTube called "Jockeys In The Wild," she didn't just say that it was funny, she said that it was "fucking funny."

Religious beliefs are the most personal and fundamental thing for the person who has them.

People not respecting Prince's own choice doesn't really appreciate the man who has made such wonderful music during more than 30 years.

I'm glad if being a JW has brought happiness to his life. He really deserves it.

[Edited 10/17/11 6:00am]

eros said:

Thanx I had been noticing on here that everyone mentions Larry Graham's name with an underlying contempt and I didn't know why. I wasn't aware of this supposed influence on Prince's religious practices and that everyone held him responsible for converting Prince and the decline of his music [Edited 10/16/11 11:28am]

Why do you intentionally keep saying "everyone" when you can see by this bait thread itself already that that isn't true?

I, as many others on this site don't hate Larry AT ALL. Personally I think he is a great bass player and he seems like a nice guy. I may not agree with some of his views, but if Prince shares them with him, that's up to Prince to decide.

That said, I don't find anything wrong with criticising those ideas either. Just keep it civil and DON'T BAIT.

Tremolina said:

eros said:

Why do you intentionally keep saying "everyone" when you can see by this bait thread itself already that that isn't true?

I, as many others on this site don't hate Larry AT ALL. Personally I think he is a great bass player and he seems like a nice guy. I may not agree with some of his views, but if Prince shares them with him, that's up to Prince to decide.

That said, I don't find anything wrong with criticising those ideas either. Just keep it civil and DON'T BAIT.

Yes, one can discuss everything, even religious ideas. But religion is fundamental and sacred to a person's life, so one has to be particularly careful when discussing it. I don't see that often when the subject is Prince's religious beliefs. Andit saddens me, because this site is full of people who, supposedly, are fans of his music and, in my opinion, should be thankful to him for creating it and making this world a better place with his art. Instead of that, you see constant rude criticism directed to one of the most important aspects, if not the most, in Prince's life, which is his religion.

catpark said:

Tremolina said:

eros said:

Tremolina said:

Why do you intentionally keep saying "everyone" when you can see by this bait thread itself already that that isn't true?

I, as many others on this site don't hate Larry AT ALL. Personally I think he is a great bass player and he seems like a nice guy. I may not agree with some of his views, but if Prince shares them with him, that's up to Prince to decide.

That said, I don't find anything wrong with criticising those ideas either. Just keep it civil and DON'T BAIT.

Snip flame - langebleu

Snip reference to flame - langebleu

Maybe you need to realise that you do bait and violate the site rules repeatedly.

Obviously, Larry was responsible 4 Prince being xposed 2 the JW's, which in my sense didn't change much save maybe the cursing, but Prince was looking 4 God and preaching from the first day of his career, and it's not really like he'd have kept writing stuff like "Head" after he turned 40 anyway Prince's lyrics kept being provocative in more ways than one, which doesn't necessarly involves using profanity and talking hardcore sex (particularly after gangsta-rap made all this something very usual), but some people still haven't realized it. As for Prince "softening" and "losing his edge", well... this can be said about 99% of artists after they turn 40, and I doubt it has to do with any external influence.

As for the so-called "plastic sound" (which i personally loved from day one, and still love to this day, but i'm ok with people disliking it - different folks, different strokes), Larry -who musically never evolved past the late 70's- has nothing to do with it and wasn't even around when it all started with the recording of Emancipation. You wanna blame someone about it, blame Kirk Johnson, who clearly was a major influence on Prince's sound from 1996 to 2001 and is the one who brought the "plastic sound" in the first place, through his 1995 remixes, which impressed Prince so much than he asked Kirk for more involvement (see the Crystal Ball liner notes). And the same goes for the covers: Prince started to include more and more covers in his setlists as soon as he became (i.e., once again, long before he met Larry).

So basically people blame Larry Graham for Prince growing-up as a man and getting older as an artist, for being nostalgic of the music of his youth, for making choices in his spiritual life that are an obvious continuation of his prior beliefs, and for musical choices Prince had made before he even met Larry, under Kirk Johnson's "influence".

So, well... I hardly understand why we're even debating this...

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Tremolina said:

eros said:

Tremolina said:

Snip reference to flame - langebleu

Maybe you need to realise that you do bait and violate the site rules repeatedly.

Snip flame - langebleu

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thedance said:

My reasons to hate Larry Graham:

The old crappy music Larry brought to Prince's setlists... like Everyday People - I Want To Take You Higher - Thankyoufalletinmebemiceelfagin etc...

Those old Larry G./ Graham Central Station songs are making me:

Then there's the religious sect, the Jehovah thing:

Prince censoring his dirty words in his music.....

lots of reasons for a Prince fan to really hate Larry Graham with a passion!!

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You lost all credibility when you called those Sly songs old and crappy. Go back to school. You need some learning.

C.H.U.M.P

NeonCraxx said: