lust said:

Dsoul said:

Whenever Lotusflow3r or in particular Colonized Mind is bigged up on here I pride myself for steadfastly linking to Miriam Makeba's song Quit It. Prince just added dumb, bigoted lyrics about evolution and single parent families to her melody and instrumentation and even lifted the "... no responsibility" line:

Blimey. Upload, A song about real issues that makes sense and written by an intelligent mind. Download, a tune that sounds really good due to it's plagiarized origins but words that make no sense and could have been written by a child. Hey, hey, hey hey!

Exactly and he released it the year after she died too. Join me in my quest of posting Miriam's song wherever Colonized Mind is praised...

Dsoul said:

Join me in my quest of posting Miriam's song wherever Colonized Mind is praised...

Don't. Please don't.

I like the album. Makes me kinda sad as I miss the Orb

Dsoul said:

KidaDynamite said:

Dsoul said:

Exactly and he released it the year after she died too. Join me in my quest of posting Miriam's song wherever Colonized Mind is praised...

I this lust was going in the opposite direction then where you're going with their comment.

Whutchutalkinaboutwillis? You think Lust disagrees with my analysis of Colonized Mind? Doubt anyone with ears could do such a thing.

Dsoul said:

You lot are all crazy!!! I just wanted find out the feelings for Lotusflow3r. I didn't study lyrics or the "intense meaning" in each word.

If the songs sound good, Prince could be singing about any sort of shit. I don't need to deconstruct it,

can't you just like music because it sounds nice???

By the way, had my first few listens of The Gold Experience. A very good album!!! Especially Gold, Dolphin and We march.

mysterymum said:

purpledoveuk said:

Genesia said:

stuff like Dreamer, Colonised Mind, Act of God etc just don't sit right with me...kinda like me moaning about how hard it is being a single mother, living on the streets of Russia - I'm not and I ain't.

Hey just because Prince made a song about confessing his love to be a devoted husband on Forever In My Life or trying to find his love life on Computer Blue and it doesnt relate to me ....does it make it non-relevant to anyone else?

Javi said:

I think "Colonized Mind", like other Prince compositions of the last decade, suffers the hostility of many of his fans towards his religious beliefs.

I think it's an excellent tune, for sure one of his best since the early 90's. Even the lyrics aren't as dumb as some think, in my opinion, at least in part. What's sure is that many of his sex lyrics from the 80's are sillier than these, but nobody complains about them like it happens with "Colonized Mind", just because sex is great and religion is shit. Our society...

As for the whole album, I like it a lot. In my opinion, his best effort since The Rainbow Children. I'd be happy if he recorded something this good in the future.

You spoke my words!! Can agree with each and every word of this.

I love "lotus flow3r", and IMO it is a great album.

mysterymum said:

You lot are all crazy!!! I just wanted find out the feelings for Lotusflow3r. I didn't study lyrics or the "intense meaning" in each word.

If the songs sound good, Prince could be singing about any sort of shit. I don't need to deconstruct it,

can't you just like music because it sounds nice???

By the way, had my first few listens of The Gold Experience. A very good album!!! Especially Gold, Dolphin and We march.

mysterymum said:

I have grown to really appreciate Lotusflow3r. IMHO, it features his best musicianship in some time. Guitar work is oustanding and many of he songs are interesting in their pace and structure; something I have missed over the last couple of albums.

Dsoul said:

Whenever Lotusflow3r or in particular Colonized Mind is bigged up on here I pride myself for steadfastly linking to Miriam Makeba's song Quit It. Prince just added dumb, bigoted lyrics about evolution and single parent families to her melody and instrumentation and even lifted the "... no responsibility" line:

With all respect to Miriam (and her great song), these songs are only vaguely similar, due to a type of descending chord progression that is very common in music.

As far as your bashing of Prince's lyrics, that is just baseless. His examples of cause and effect, brilliantly using "upload" (cause) and "download" (effect), are indeed simplistic, but are also arguably accurate in psychological/sociological studies... not to mention a brilliant choice of words.

The overall message, reflected as the title, is one of the most important messages he (or anyone) could give. The line, "The one in power makes law, under which the colonized fall..." is brilliant in a way that Prince has mastered during his entire career... intentionally using a simple word with a double meaning, and literally correct within the sentence. In this case, "fall" - as in, "fall under/fall for" and also the more literal meaning of "fall", as in, "fall down".

~G

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[Edited 10/17/11 11:42am]

Giovanni777 said:

Dsoul said:

Whenever Lotusflow3r or in particular Colonized Mind is bigged up on here I pride myself for steadfastly linking to Miriam Makeba's song Quit It. Prince just added dumb, bigoted lyrics about evolution and single parent families to her melody and instrumentation and even lifted the "... no responsibility" line:

With all respect to Miriam (and her great song), these songs are only vaguely similar, due to a type of descending chord progression that is very common in music.

As far as your bashing of Prince's lyrics, that is just baseless. His examples of cause and effect, brilliantly using "upload" (cause) and "download" (effect), are indeed simplistic, but are also arguably accurate in psychological/sociological studies... not to mention a brilliant choice of words.

The overall message, reflected as the title, is one of the most important messages he (or anyone) could give. The line, "The one in power makes law, under which the colonized fall..." is brilliant in a way that Prince has mastered during his entire career... intentionally using a simple word with a double meaning, and literally correct within the sentence. In this case, "fall" - as in, "fall under/fall for" and also the more literal meaning of "fall", as in, "fall down".

~G

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[Edited 10/17/11 11:42am]

Feel free to show and tell other songs as close to Miriam's Quit It as Colonized Mind, seeing as this instrumentation is so "common". Dude, he even lifts "no responsibility" in the same tempo at the end of the line. The similarities are not by chance, however much you may wish they were.

As for the lyrics I'm glad that his religiously sanctioned bigotry against single parent households and total ignorance regarding evolution are all made better in your eyes by a simple, obvious line about those in power abusing the powerless masses.

Dsoul said:

Giovanni777 said:

With all respect to Miriam (and her great song), these songs are only vaguely similar, due to a type of descending chord progression that is very common in music.

As far as your bashing of Prince's lyrics, that is just baseless. His examples of cause and effect, brilliantly using "upload" (cause) and "download" (effect), are indeed simplistic, but are also arguably accurate in psychological/sociological studies... not to mention a brilliant choice of words.

The overall message, reflected as the title, is one of the most important messages he (or anyone) could give. The line, "The one in power makes law, under which the colonized fall..." is brilliant in a way that Prince has mastered during his entire career... intentionally using a simple word with a double meaning, and literally correct within the sentence. In this case, "fall" - as in, "fall under/fall for" and also the more literal meaning of "fall", as in, "fall down".

~G

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[Edited 10/17/11 11:42am]

Feel free to show and tell other songs as close to Miriam's Quit It as Colonized Mind, seeing as this instrumentation is so "common". Dude, he even lifts "no responsibility" in the same tempo at the end of the line. The similarities are not by chance, however much you may wish they were.

As for the lyrics I'm glad that his religiously sanctioned bigotry against single parent households and total ignorance regarding evolution are all made better in your eyes by a simple, obvious line about those in power abusing the powerless masses.

I said that similar descending chord progressions are common. It has NOTHING to do with instrumentation.

You state (as a fact) that "the similarities are not by chance"... Maybe they are; perhaps they're not. I'm not sure you can prove this as a fact. Even if you could, this happens quite a bit in music.

As far as your second paragraph, I clearly indicated that the single parent household statements were simplistic (and arguably accurate), because in many cases, he's absolutely correct. Absolute statements are used creatively in poetry and songwriting to make a point, and to follow the structure of the poem (or song). I AM a single parent, and it takes quite a bit of work and compassion (and understanding of human development) to build a foundation for a child as such...

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[Edited 10/17/11 13:30pm]

lust said:

paisleypark4 said:

purpledoveuk said:

Hey just because Prince made a song about confessing his love to be a devoted husband on Forever In My Life or trying to find his love life on Computer Blue and it doesnt relate to me ....does it make it non-relevant to anyone else?

Okay...I didn't say any of the things that were quoted in your post. Let's be clear on that. The quote boxes were screwed up.

KidaDynamite said:

lust said:

Seems I need to set the record straight and confirm my pov. Dsoul pointed it out and I'm feeling it.

Okay. I wasn't sure, that's why I said "I think". Let me stay out of this before I get cursed out.

No need. It's easy to misinterprate intentions in the written word. No big deal. I aint cursing you out, just trying to clarify my perhaps poorly worded point.

mysterymum said:

You lot are all crazy!!! I just wanted find out the feelings for Lotusflow3r. I didn't study lyrics or the "intense meaning" in each word.

If the songs sound good, Prince could be singing about any sort of shit. I don't need to deconstruct it,

can't you just like music because it sounds nice???

By the way, had my first few listens of The Gold Experience. A very good album!!! Especially Gold, Dolphin and We march.

You must be new.

lust said:

Giovanni777 said:

Dsoul said:

Feel free to show and tell other songs as close to Miriam's Quit It as Colonized Mind, seeing as this instrumentation is so "common". Dude, he even lifts "no responsibility" in the same tempo at the end of the line. The similarities are not by chance, however much you may wish they were.

As for the lyrics I'm glad that his religiously sanctioned bigotry against single parent households and total ignorance regarding evolution are all made better in your eyes by a simple, obvious line about those in power abusing the powerless masses.

I said that similar descending chord progressions are common. It has NOTHING to do with instrumentation.

You state (as a fact) that "the similarities are not by chance"... Maybe they are; perhaps they're not. I'm not sure you can prove this as a fact. Even if you could, this happens quite a bit in music.

As far as your second paragraph, I clearly indicated that the single parent household statements were simplistic (and arguably accurate), because in many cases, he's absolutely correct. Absolute statements are used creatively in poetry and songwriting to make a point, and to follow the structure of the poem (or song). I AM a single parent, and it takes quite a bit of work and compassion (and understanding of human development) to build a foundation for a child as such...

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[Edited 10/17/11 13:30pm]

It's not just the commonality of the chord progressions though is it, it's the way the chords are played and the structure of the vocal melody. Anyway like I say if you want to believe it's all one big coincidence then go ahead with that.

As for the lyrics as a single father you surely don't ascribe to his nonsense about your children struggling to show love as a result. Nobody, poetic or otherwise forces Prince to make these black and white statements. He just thinks it's a clever way to get his theocratic order/1+1+1=3 nonsense in.

You don't touch on how he insults the believers of evolution with babblings about rocks on the shore = "no responsibility" (lifted from Miriam tee hee). Believers in evolution being anyone with any sound level of respect for scientific theory.

The line you enjoy so much regarding rulers exploiting the colonized minds applies to the history of religion as much as anything else but the irony is surely lost on him. He'll just keep taking life direction from a few men sat around a table in New York (The Watchtower Society) with his clear, free and totally uncolonized mind...

Genesia said:

mysterymum said:

You lot are all crazy!!! I just wanted find out the feelings for Lotusflow3r. I didn't study lyrics or the "intense meaning" in each word.

If the songs sound good, Prince could be singing about any sort of shit. I don't need to deconstruct it,

can't you just like music because it sounds nice???

By the way, had my first few listens of The Gold Experience. A very good album!!! Especially Gold, Dolphin and We march.

You must be new.

Brand new!!! Most here are VERY intense!!!

mysterymum said:

Genesia said:

You must be new.

Brand new!!! Most here are VERY intense!!!

Yeah, the one thing there is no shortage of around here is very intense, two-bit opinions.

purpledoveuk said:

mysterymum said:

You lot are all crazy!!! I just wanted find out the feelings for Lotusflow3r. I didn't study lyrics or the "intense meaning" in each word.

If the songs sound good, Prince could be singing about any sort of shit. I don't need to deconstruct it,

can't you just like music because it sounds nice???

By the way, had my first few listens of The Gold Experience. A very good album!!! Especially Gold, Dolphin and We march.

Intresting ...could be on to something here! What is it you like about those songs in particular?

I like that they sound abit more like his older stuff. I want to get up and dance to them. Prince is at his best when he is being sexy or groovy!!!

mysterymum said:

Genesia said:

paisleypark4 said:

Okay...I didn't say any of the things that were quoted in your post. Let's be clear on that. The quote boxes were screwed up.

purpledoveuk said:

mysterymum said:

I like that they sound abit more like his older stuff. I want to get up and dance to them. Prince is at his best when he is being sexy or groovy!!!

I just wondered whether you perhaps favoured Princes more 'angry' or 'defensive' lyrics as both the subject of Dolphin and We March wouldn't be out of place on lotusflower whereas the rest of the Gold experince album tends to not fit into Princes current agenda/message: 1) P. Control - female equality/sex 2) Endorphinmachine- sex 3) SSShhhhh - private sex 5) TMBGITW - love (ok that fits) 7) Now - partying 8) 319 - frisky sex 9) Shy - shy sex/ physical attraction 10)Billy Jack Bitch - retaliation 11) I hate you - angry sex 12) Gold - quite similar in message to many recent songs

Like I said before, I really don't pay much attention to lyrics. If I think it sounds good or makes me want to move, then I like it. To me, it really is as simple as that.

mysterymum said:

Genesia said:

You must be new.

Brand new!!! Most here are VERY intense!!!

You'd have thought with Prince's music generally being fun, that the org would be too. Wrong!