Aren't you purple girls and boys loosing a bit of your faith in Prince..?

Prince's music is too complex to appeal to the mainstream, and actually he hasn't made a real hot album for more than 10 (15?) years.

Prince is "under the radar" to most people, they don't even know he is still making music out there.

and Prince's personality - his attitude - is complicated too.

Most of the people I know think I am nuts for still following him.

Ok Prince can still make some brilliant concerts, but where is the steaming hot artist, making revolutionary and interesting music, is he gone for good?

will we ever see a h-o-t Prince album ever again...

and will a rec company now even pay him and release his music...

Prince's career is freezing cold. Damn. What a shame.

thedance said:

Aren't you purple girls and boys loosing a bit of your faith in Prince..?

Prince's music is too complex to appeal to the mainstream, and actually he hasn't made a real hot album for more than 10 (15?) years.

Prince is "under the radar" to most people, they don't even know he is still making music out there.

and Prince's personality - his attitude - is complicated too.

Most of the people I know think I am nuts for still following him.

Ok Prince can still make some brilliant concerts, but where is the steaming hot artist, making revolutionary and interesting music, is he gone for good?

will we ever see a h-o-t Prince album ever again...

and will a rec company now even pay him and release his music...

Prince's career is freezing cold. Damn. What a shame.

The same thing over and over again....prince is this and prince is that...

And if many people say we liked his last albums and concerts then they are unteachable....

BORING!!!!!

Sry

[Edited 9/28/11 2:51am]

Wasn't this your last thread?

Anyway, I think Prince is able to make another great album. In my opinion, 20Ten was a near-great album and if he tries hard to write great songs and NOT songs like 'Laydown' or 'Everybody Loves Me', he could easily do it.

thedance said:

Prince's music is too complex to appeal to the mainstream

Are you sure about that, or is just not either a) up to par, or b) getting promoted adequently enough to be heard by a wider audience?

Maybe Prince is right where he's expected to be at this point - He has little commercial comebacks every few years that sort of deflate as soon as they appear, generally because of a lack of momentum and promotion on Prince's part. Other than that he's a successful live act. This follows quite normally the path of a pop music artist who is still around 30+ years.

802 said:

Wasn't this your last thread?

Anyway, I think Prince is able to make another great album. In my opinion, 20Ten was a near-great album and if he tries hard to write great songs and NOT songs like 'Laydown' or 'Everybody Loves Me', he could easily do it.

^

thanks for the reply 802,

funny but Laydown is one of the better tracks recently that I like.

reason for this thread: I fear the hot funky Prince-music is history....

and, the reason why I made a thread about this: my friends ridiculed me yesterday for being a Prince fan - it's a bit annoying, and I had to let some steam out here.

sorry, if the subject -again- is boring you guys...

thedance said:

and, the reason why I made a thread about this: my friends ridiculed me yesterday for being a Prince fan - it's a bit annoying, and I had to let some steam out here.

Fair enough.

I'd say that wouldn't happen as often as it does if he didn't change his name to . Unfortunately most people only think about how eccentric a musician is and not on the music itself. James Brown and Michael Jackson are some other musicians that have experienced similar problems.

And what music do they listen to if they don't like Prince? A lot of the time (but not always the case), if someone doesn't like a great musicial artist they listen to really crappy music.

I know some would like to think of Prince as god like, but he is just human after all. Do we really expect a person to be able to write the number of songs that Prince has and still be able to write classics like back when he was hungry to be a star?

The bottom line is, I prefer his current music to pretty much anything else that is being released at the moment. Most new bands make albums that sound similar from start to finish, while Prince is only now and again writing songs similar to songs he wrote 30 odd years ago!

These days, music is marketed in a way that it is destined to sell records, regardless of the talent of the performer and regardless of the quality of the song. Shows like X-factor and pop idol are to blame for this and to be frank, it makes me sick. Charts are a poor reflection of quality in music, so don't worry if Prince is not storming them any more. Judge him on whether you specifically have enjoyed his record or not.

For me, I have enjoyed Musicology, The rainbow children, planet earth and 20ten more than I've enjoyed music by anybody else in the last 10 years.

I only had to read the title to know this isn't an original thread.

What a shame....

thedance said:

Aren't you purple girls and boys loosing a bit of your faith in Prince..?

No

Prince's music is too complex to appeal to the mainstream, and actually he hasn't made a real hot album for more than 10 (15?) years.

That's a personal and subjective opinion. I think he's made great CDs recently.

Prince is "under the radar" to most people, they don't even know he is still making music out there.

...And this matters why?

and Prince's personality - his attitude - is complicated too.

It always was, this is nothing new.

Most of the people I know think I am nuts for still following him.

Maybe you need more enlightened friends.

Ok Prince can still make some brilliant concerts, but where is the steaming hot artist, making revolutionary and interesting music, is he gone for good?

Last I heard he's in Europe.

will we ever see a h-o-t Prince album ever again...

Personal and subjective.

and will a rec company now even pay him and release his music...

Yeah they would!

Prince's career is freezing cold. Damn. What a shame.

So is this topic and like Prince it's not going anywhere either.

People who make these kind of threats haven't learned a lot in life....what do you expect?

Look at your own life, are you on the top of your game for 30 years in a row? I don't think so.

NouveauDance said:

thedance said:

Prince's music is too complex to appeal to the mainstream

Are you sure about that, or is just not either a) up to par, or b) getting promoted adequently enough to be heard by a wider audience?

Maybe Prince is right where he's expected to be at this point - He has little commercial comebacks every few years that sort of deflate as soon as they appear, generally because of a lack of momentum and promotion on Prince's part. Other than that he's a successful live act. This follows quite normally the path of a pop music artist who is still around 30+ years.

This ^

And we can furthermore assess this in two ways (imo).

A- He isn't as capable a mainstream presence as he once was. (That might be shocking for some people to think about.)

Or

B- He is satisfied with his current condition and does quite simply what he wants, in what way he wants, through whatever means he wants, regardless of what would seem logical, appropriate, or more 'beneficial'.

Nevertheless, neither A or B can be confirmed. But what can be confirmed is what NouveauDance suggested.

HonestMan13 said:

thedance said:

Aren't you purple girls and boys loosing a bit of your faith in Prince..?

No

Prince's music is too complex to appeal to the mainstream, and actually he hasn't made a real hot album for more than 10 (15?) years.

That's a personal and subjective opinion. I think he's made great CDs recently.

Prince is "under the radar" to most people, they don't even know he is still making music out there.

...And this matters why?

and Prince's personality - his attitude - is complicated too.

It always was, this is nothing new.

Most of the people I know think I am nuts for still following him.

Maybe you need more enlightened friends.

Ok Prince can still make some brilliant concerts, but where is the steaming hot artist, making revolutionary and interesting music, is he gone for good?

Last I heard he's in Europe.

will we ever see a h-o-t Prince album ever again...

Personal and subjective.

and will a rec company now even pay him and release his music...

Yeah they would!

Prince's career is freezing cold. Damn. What a shame.

So is this topic and like Prince it's not going anywhere either.

Best post ever.

I enjoy and respect all of Prince's work including his recent albums. He has an enormous and stellar catalogue of music and what I LOVE about him is that his music is always changing and evolving.

I think that after his last major recognized and promoted album with WB, the Symbol album in 1992 and a few songs like The Most Beautiful Girl In The World he lost a majority of promotion from both the radio and record companies. When that happened it seemed is as if Prince died to the radio public and all that was left standing was his WB back cataloug of hits.

Even though Prince was and is, in my opinion, making excellent music, it is all lost on the majority of the public. Without current hits playing on across radio markets all these years a perception is made that Prince is no longer relevant.

But as long as Prince continues to keep making music I will be happy AND I know that he is still relevant.

Long Live PRINCE and The NPG!

TikiColadas said:

I enjoy and respect all of Prince's work including his recent albums. He has an enormous and stellar catalogue of music and what I LOVE about him is that his music is always changing and evolving.

I think that after his last major recognized and promoted album with WB, the Symbol album in 1992 and a few songs like The Most Beautiful Girl In The World he lost a majority of promotion from both the radio and record companies. When that happened it seemed is as if Prince died to the radio public and all that was left standing was his WB back cataloug of hits.

Even though Prince was and is, in my opinion, making excellent music, it is all lost on the majority of the public. Without current hits playing on across radio markets all these years a perception is made that Prince is no longer relevant.

But as long as Prince continues to keep making music I will be happy AND I know that he is still relevant.

Long Live PRINCE and The NPG!

This is an attitude/stance a lot of orgers need to take. It's always about the perception of the masses or their circle of friends who don't know or care for Prince. So what? Make your own decisions about who you like and listen to! You'll be happier.

Wait a week I'll put my answer in a topic exactly like this

He's well respected over here in Holland. With his recent appearances he got extra attention in the media overhere, however, he's allways been big here. Not everybody knows his whole body of work, however, he gets airtime at the radio and is talked about on tv shows.

There's still a lot of love for his music over here in Holland. I think people here care less about the whole stardom thing. Dutch aren't much into diva behaviour. That's considered not very classy. Everybody is human, even a star.

thedance said:

Aren't you purple girls and boys loosing a bit of your faith in Prince..?

Prince's music is too complex to appeal to the mainstream, and actually he hasn't made a real hot album for more than 10 (15?) years.

Prince is "under the radar" to most people, they don't even know he is still making music out there.

and Prince's personality - his attitude - is complicated too.

Most of the people I know think I am nuts for still following him.

Ok Prince can still make some brilliant concerts, but where is the steaming hot artist, making revolutionary and interesting music, is he gone for good?

will we ever see a h-o-t Prince album ever again...

and will a rec company now even pay him and release his music...

Prince's career is freezing cold. Damn. What a shame.

These are just my own opnions of course, but I think:

1. His music isn't too complex for the mainstream. Radiohead have enjoyed commercial and critical success with their last 3 albums. And Lady Gaga's Born This Way, though not Mozaart or anything, is very messy for a "dance" album, throwing everything but the kitchen sink at the wall to see if it sticks. I think Prince's problem is that his music simply doesn't appeal to the mainstream because he hasn't written a realy catchy and intersting single (with proper promotion) in ages.

2. I don't think his atttidue is complicated. I think it's very clear and simple what Prince is like to deal with as a fan and colleague---an ass. Had Donald Trump or any other famous businessman done the things that Prince did, each would be labelled a true dick post haste. Instead, it took Trump at least 2 or three months to achieve that label.

3. Revolutionary and Intersting music. I think this is were the ship has sailed. Nothing released today, in my opnion is truly revolutionary if by this we mean new. It may be revolutionary with regards to changing the landscape of music or moving it in directions--for example, Nirvana's Nevermind is revolutionary simply because it brought a swift death to 80's glam-rock, but it didn't really offer anything new, being just a rock album with punk influences, redubed grunge.

What Prince needs to do is not focus so much on revultionary, but on intersting and FEROCIOUS. When's the last time this man has done a Gold Experience, or Purple Rain? A Sign of the Times?

He could offer nothing new in repeating those albums of course, and I don't expect him to. I just want to listen to something that sounds like he tore shit up in the studio. THAT's what would really turn my ear.

Lotus Flower was one of the best albums he has ever made. There are only realistically 3-6 Prince cds that stay in heavy rotation for me and Lotus is one. Actually Planet Earth is another so there is two in the past few years. Its a shame Prince didn't do a lotus tour. If so and if done like the Montreaux shows we would have had another classic tour like TRC tour. What a pity he didn't promote it. For some reason he still likes playing the 80s stuff over todays stuff. Thats what I wish would change. His albums are fine with me, I just wish he would release them more frequent since they are only for the die hards anyway.

HonestMan13 said:

TikiColadas said:

I enjoy and respect all of Prince's work including his recent albums. He has an enormous and stellar catalogue of music and what I LOVE about him is that his music is always changing and evolving.

I think that after his last major recognized and promoted album with WB, the Symbol album in 1992 and a few songs like The Most Beautiful Girl In The World he lost a majority of promotion from both the radio and record companies. When that happened it seemed is as if Prince died to the radio public and all that was left standing was his WB back cataloug of hits.

Even though Prince was and is, in my opinion, making excellent music, it is all lost on the majority of the public. Without current hits playing on across radio markets all these years a perception is made that Prince is no longer relevant.

But as long as Prince continues to keep making music I will be happy AND I know that he is still relevant.

Long Live PRINCE and The NPG!

This is an attitude/stance a lot of orgers need to take. It's always about the perception of the masses or their circle of friends who don't know or care for Prince. So what? Make your own decisions about who you like and listen to! You'll be happier.

I completely agree with this as well as your intial response. I have NEVER cared about Prince's chart success or mainstream appeal. I will always listen to Prince's music no matter what anyone says. As such, he is on my radar and relevant to me. I could care less what someone else's "hot" barometer reads where Prince is concerned.

thedance said:

Aren't you purple girls and boys loosing a bit of your faith in Prince..?

Prince's music is too complex to appeal to the mainstream, and actually he hasn't made a real hot album for more than 10 (15?) years.

Prince is "under the radar" to most people, they don't even know he is still making music out there.

and Prince's personality - his attitude - is complicated too.

Most of the people I know think I am nuts for still following him.

Ok Prince can still make some brilliant concerts, but where is the steaming hot artist, making revolutionary and interesting music, is he gone for good?

will we ever see a h-o-t Prince album ever again...

and will a rec company now even pay him and release his music...

Prince's career is freezing cold. Damn. What a shame.

Oh this is such an old topic that it almost seems stupid that anyone would bother posting this garbage....yeah you're right his career is freezing cold with all these shows around the world and whatnot (yawn)....if you think he sucks then go somehwere and sitdown and let the rest of us who love Prince have the Org to ourselves

sorry that i just fed the troll

I guess there needs to be examples of artists that have this many years behind them that are releasing HOT albums. Then we could compare. It's hard to compare to younger artists that still write and produce specifically for teenagers.

ufoclub said:

I guess there needs to be examples of artists that have this many years behind them that are releasing HOT albums. Then we could compare. It's hard to compare to younger artists that still write and produce specifically for teenagers.

That's quite a good point because last time I checked Stevie Wonder fans weren't calling him out for not being 'relavant to the mainstream' or 'not having a hot album in 15 or some odd years'. Prince for some reason has to constantly prove himself to some of his fans (usually the ones who need validation from others for every little thing they do), hence threads like this keep sprouting.

Prince could go to any city (US or international), announce a concert date, and tickets will sell out in MINUTES. Nuff said!

I don't know about Prince's career, it's just that most of the material of the last two decades leaves me pretty cold.

NouveauDance said:

thedance said:

Prince's music is too complex to appeal to the mainstream

Are you sure about that, or is just not either a) up to par, or b) getting promoted adequently enough to be heard by a wider audience?

Maybe Prince is right where he's expected to be at this point - He has little commercial comebacks every few years that sort of deflate as soon as they appear, generally because of a lack of momentum and promotion on Prince's part. Other than that he's a successful live act. This follows quite normally the path of a pop music artist who is still around 30+ years.

You are right and this is what saddens me about music as an art form.

It is like this for artist after artist; they write their best stuff before age 40, often before age 35 and then spend the next 25 or more years being their own tribute act. Wy can't the human race still make something or artistic worth in their 50's, and beyond? It happens in the visual arts but it doesn't seem to happen much in music.

Deadflow3r said:

NouveauDance said:

Are you sure about that, or is just not either a) up to par, or b) getting promoted adequently enough to be heard by a wider audience?

Maybe Prince is right where he's expected to be at this point - He has little commercial comebacks every few years that sort of deflate as soon as they appear, generally because of a lack of momentum and promotion on Prince's part. Other than that he's a successful live act. This follows quite normally the path of a pop music artist who is still around 30+ years.

You are right and this is what saddens me about music as an art form.

It is like this for artist after artist; they write their best stuff before age 40, often before age 35 and then spend the next 25 or more years being their own tribute act. Wy can't the human race still make something or artistic worth in their 50's, and beyond? It happens in the visual arts but it doesn't seem to happen much in music.

That's a subjective point because some people think Prince and other artists with his longevity are doing their best work now. The fault is with society which condemns age and relegates it's artists to being their own tribute acts, as you said. I think Prince is a treasure and other artists such as Stevie wonder are as well. It's only when they're gone does society reflect upon them and realize that they won't be coming around again.

ufoclub said:

I guess there needs to be examples of artists that have this many years behind them that are releasing HOT albums. Then we could compare. It's hard to compare to younger artists that still write and produce specifically for teenagers.

The closest I can come up with is the late 90's Rolling Stones as far as comparisons go.

kenkamken said:

This thread is like reheated leftovers that you didn't especially like the first time

ufoclub said:

I guess there needs to be examples of artists that have this many years behind them that are releasing HOT albums. Then we could compare. It's hard to compare to younger artists that still write and produce specifically for teenagers.

Charlie Wilson seems to have somewhat done this (with a little help from Hip-Hop Artists Snoop Dogg, Jay-Z, etc). Then again, I don't particularly LOVE the new music...but that old Gap Band stuff stays in rotation.