This "morality" question isn't a question at all. It's a blatant self absorbed, self anointed judgement disguised as a question.

This topic isn't as self absorbed as you think...

Half of it is a thread for two...A Man and a Woman. Prince and I.

The other half of the thread is a journey for everyone to question about themselves.

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How far will people go to make money?

Are spiritual principles and love worth the sacrifice? For money?

The one thing I know is this.

At the end of a very long road called "Moral Absolute." There is a huge learning lesson.

A road that I am still on myself...But I have to get through an eye of a needle for God.

I was wondering if Prince wanted to hold my hand and come 2....Now I'm not so sure he is strong enough to go where I am going.

SodaShoes said:

The one thing I know is this.

At the end of a very long road called "Moral Absolute." There is a huge learning lesson.

A road that I am still on myself...But I have to get through an eye of a needle for God.

I was wondering if Prince wanted to hold my hand and come 2....Now I'm not so sure he is strong enough to go where I am going.

I understand the learning lesson, it is life, Life is God, as seen thru all the various combinations and so called religions, God is with us and in us and you can and will make that journey with or without Prince...he has given you an in-direct sign to follow your instinct and find peace

You know this how? Prince changes his mind all the time.

The Gingerbread Man is about puddles on the floor, and jumping on his hips. It doesn't sound so religious there, does it now? Well, not to me anyway.

SodaShoes

6 years ago when Prince went into celibacy...so did I. That was my own choice for my life, it had nothing to do with his choice to do that for God.

SodaShoes said:

Tremolina said:

Out of curiosity, that age barrier. Where do you draw the line? When is a younger woman still okay? And does it make any difference when the woman is mature herself?

I think 11-14 years is enough of a gap to draw a basic line. When a girl is old enough to become a mother. It's just a personal feeling.

Exactly. I agree with you that the bigger the age gap, the bigger the possible issues with it, including from a social point of view. But there is a problem too with drawing a line and expecting others to behave according to your views on it.

What if the woman is 20 years younger, but in her 30's. Is it okay then to be with a man in his 50's or 60's? That man could easily be her father or even her very young grandfather. Or let's reverse it, what about a man in his 30's getting it on with a 60 year old woman?

I am not saying that those things are okay or not okay, because that's exactly the point. I am not really one to judge because whether it is wrong or not, is largely something of a personal feeling of the people involved.

So maybe Prince personally feels different about it than you. Maybe he feels that as long as there is love and she is legal of age, he is free to be in a relationship with a woman young enough to be his daughter. I don't know that either really, but it does seem like it, because Prince has pretty much always been with much younger women.

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Tame! You've come back!

The org has missed you so...

She's a grown woman, she can do as and WHO she pleases.

What is your damn issue, OP?

Andy is 18+, so nothing illegal there. And who are you to judge if she is less mature then Prince?

Judging on your words you sound less mature then her... lol.. You still seem to think you make a chance with Prince in real life or something and how old are you.. 50+?

Dont talk shit here.

Nikademus said:

Tame! You've come back!

The org has missed you so...

Speak for yourself,

MadamGoodnight said:

You know this how? Prince changes his mind all the time.

The Gingerbread Man is about puddles on the floor, and jumping on his hips. It doesn't sound so religious there, does it now? Well, not to me anyway.

SodaShoes

6 years ago when Prince went into celibacy...so did I. That was my own choice for my life, it had nothing to do with his choice to do that for God.

I believe this is something that Prince would be truthful about.

Just because Prince is engaged in public displays of affection with someone that is young, and that in itself bothers me, doesn't mean that Prince is living a lifestyle that he feels is wrong for him.

Just because I don't like the "impression," it gives to the world...no matter how that impression is interpreted, doesn't mean that I know everything there is to know about Prince's mind and heart. I certainly don't.

Tremolina said:

SodaShoes said:

I think 11-14 years is enough of a gap to draw a basic line. When a girl is old enough to become a mother. It's just a personal feeling.

Exactly. I agree with you that the bigger the age gap, the bigger the possible issues with it, including from a social point of view. But there is a problem too with drawing a line and expecting others to behave according to your views on it.

What if the woman is 20 years younger, but in her 30's. Is it okay then to be with a man in his 50's or 60's? That man could easily be her father or even her very young grandfather. Or let's reverse it, what about a man in his 30's getting it on with a 60 year old woman?

I am not saying that those things are okay or not okay, because that's exactly the point. I am not really one to judge because whether it is wrong or not, is largely something of a personal feeling of the people involved.

So maybe Prince personally feels different about it than you. Maybe he feels that as long as there is love and she is legal of age, he is free to be in a relationship with a woman young enough to be his daughter. I don't know that either really, but it does seem like it, because Prince has pretty much always been with much younger women.

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I agree with you. It is a difficult viewpoint to zero in on. I am not anybody's judge that has any authority. Everyone has their own walk with God.

I don't mind people judgeing me or my past mistakes because I have. (judged myself) And corrected my thought process and decisions...

I look at every body as a work in progress. If I don't truly love somebody, I'm not going to have an emotion attached to an opinion. In this case I really love Prince. I don't want him to look mis-chieveous in my eyes. It frightens me. I think the world of Prince...

bobbyperu said:

English is not my native language but I learned this wonderful expression: jumping to conclusions. And that seems to be what's happening here. First of all whether Prince & Andy's relationship extends beyond the microphone is anyone's guess. Secondly, even if it does, how big is the chance that it would last more than a few years anyway? So you still have a chance, Soda! Write him a love letter. An old fashioned one on paper because P doesn't have email...

I agree..."Jumping to conclusions," is the perfect example of how our perception is one thing, and the heart of the matter is another.

I would love to write Prince a love letter. Maybe I will and keep it tucked away.

SodaShoes said:

Everyone has their own walk with God.

Take care of yourself.

Okay, I'll call ya when I get there.

You should have left years ago when Prince sang "oh muthafucka's just a muthafucka can't u understand"

Didn't the perma-ban take effect?

Like flies to sheeeeet......

Prince and Andy made a porn movie?

SodaShoes said:

If you know that the artists producing the music are 30 years apart in age...would it bother you to be sexually stimulated by music made by this age difference?

If u listen 2 music with this type of stuff on your mind, I'd suggest u fin something else 2 do with your time. None of that stuff matters on ANY level as it relates actually enjoying the music.

Graycap23 said:

SodaShoes said:

If you know that the artists producing the music are 30 years apart in age...would it bother you to be sexually stimulated by music made by this age difference?

If u listen 2 music with this type of stuff on your mind, I'd suggest u fin something else 2 do with your time. None of that stuff matters on ANY level as it relates actually enjoying the music.

Graycap23...I think this is a controversial conversation. You have made the statement that "none of this stuff matters on ANY level as is relates to enjoying the music."

There is a Broad perspective in which I agree with you, and a narrow perspective in which I don't.

Everybody's opinions fall somewhere in this range.

We are Prince music listeners that know the age difference.

None of us have heard what Prince will actually produce with Andy. We won't even know what was tried and doesn't have the success of sharing it.

As a music listener...Even if Prince were to have had sexual relations with a singer of his age range...let's use Chaka Khan as an example...I could emotionally place that in my spiritual being that is absorbing the music.

Even if Prince does not have sexual relations with a girl 20 to 30 years younger than he, and makes sexual implications in the music...It does not settle in my spirit well.

It's merely the difference between a song that has multifaceted qualities...versus a song that has emotional flaws for the listener...If that that listener is me or someone like me.

I looked at the song, "Here I come," by Bria Valente as a song that was indiscreet. In my opinion that is a private diary song that should be kept on the shelf of Prince's personal collection...It wasn't a song that I needed to love Prince any more than I already do as a musician.

Prince has been a "Rude Boy," Prince has been "Sexually explicit," and that is something we love and consume with respect to a degree.

It is about...To what degree...To what level...With "Absolute Morality," at the heart of a career...

do we "Tolerate," without saying a "Word."

Look at it this way.

Prince can put on a song to perform...He can sit down at a piano...Or strap on a guitar...Or sing alone with a microphone.

Everytime that Prince puts on a song by himself at home, he is alone with his thoughts, his closeness with God, his sexual fantasies, his memories...his private life.

When Prince comes on stage and puts a song on for others...He is with us.

Like clothes...Prince gets dressed up in music.

He can look sexy...He can look cute...He can look incredibly talented...

The question is...Does Prince need or desire or truly want to look religiously handsome?

That is what I would like to know about my favorite musician.

SodaShoes said:

Look at it this way.

Prince can put on a song to perform...He can sit down at a piano...Or strap on a guitar...Or sing alone with a microphone.

Everytime that Prince puts on a song by himself at home, he is alone with his thoughts, his closeness with God, his sexual fantasies, his memories...his private life.

When Prince comes on stage and puts a song on for others...He is with us.

Like clothes...Prince gets dressed up in music.

He can look sexy...He can look cute...He can look incredibly talented...

The question is...Does Prince need or desire or truly want to look religiously handsome?

That is what I would like to know about my favorite musician.

I think Prince wants to, but need to or desires to

SodaShoes, you keep ignoring the people asking if you are the poster formerly known as Tame, are you?

Why in the world would you go celibate because of someone you don't really even know? If you think Prince has been totally celibate, I think you're deluded. Of course, there are different 'definitions' of celibacy too...but there's no way that man has not had any form of sex, no matter what his religions rules are. He breaks JW rules all the time anyway.

The fact that your heart has been 'shattered' because of something you've imagined and then passed judgment on, is pretty disturbing.

catpark said:

Hmmm, I must admit I feel uneasy by the age gap, hes old enough to be her grandad. They think that all they need is music to get by, but hes gonna make her tainted and visa versa. Thats their problem.

I always like it when people say that. "She's young enough to be his daughter" and so on.

I always like to reply with, "My wife's old enough to be my sister but that doesn't mean it feels like her when we're fucking. She's got bigger tits for a start."

iloveannie said:

I always like it when people say that. "She's young enough to be his daughter" and so on.

I always like to reply with, "My wife's old enough to be my sister but that doesn't mean it feels like her when we're fucking. She's got bigger tits for a start."

SodaShoes said:

catpark said:

Hmmm, I must admit I feel uneasy by the age gap, hes old enough to be her grandad. They think that all they need is music to get by, but hes gonna make her tainted and visa versa. Thats their problem.

I guess I'm not alone with the age gap thing...

Yeah, but still its up them and they will have to deal with their problems when it arises and it will. A lot of them big stars are at it look at Madonna and Ronnie Wood etc. Its all to do with power and money. These young model type people having flings with old men and women wouldn't look at them twice if the weren't famous and rich and would tell them to get lost if they stepped near them, but as I said thats there problem not mine.

Serena said:

SodaShoes, you keep ignoring the people asking if you are the poster formerly known as Tame, are you?

Why in the world would you go celibate because of someone you don't really even know? If you think Prince has been totally celibate, I think you're deluded. Of course, there are different 'definitions' of celibacy too...but there's no way that man has not had any form of sex, no matter what his religions rules are. He breaks JW rules all the time anyway.

The fact that your heart has been 'shattered' because of something you've imagined and then passed judgment on, is pretty disturbing.

I cannot see any reason why you are disturbed by a feeling that I have.

I also cannot understand how you can say with such certainty that there is "No way," the man has not had any form of sex "physically," with someone. It's easy to assume that he has, but impossible to prove. I know he's had it in his mind. His lyrics reveal that.

The only fact that is important about my identity is that a woman that wishes to be married to Prince is just as entitled to an opinion in this "Online Arena," as the fan that wishes to remain neutral in opinion, or the fan that has stolen Prince's material in some fashion.

My heart is not "Shattered," I care about Prince's overall delivery. I care about the man that sings, "Holy River," as much as I love the man that sings, "Do Me Baby."