funny that ) The Black Crowes -Amorica cover was the editd verson. it orginaly had the pubbies showing in what I assume is a chick's muff...

electricberet said:

I like the "Silent E song" from the old Electric Company children's TV show:

It's catchy and I loved it when I was younger. At the age of 3 I probably would have preferred it to Prince's songs. Now I know that Prince's best songs are better. I even know that Schoenberg is better. And I think anyone with ears would agree that Beethoven's Ninth Symphony is a greater work of art, if you want to go to the extreme:

Silent E is fantastic. I love it. All I am saying is art and most everything in life is subjective, and everything has it's place. The artistic merit in Silent E is not diminished because it is meant for kids. To me it makes it even better becasue it is so effective and charming for what is was intended for. I think it's perfect. To me the stuff from Sesame Street has more artistic merit than most everything on television.

Art is about appreciation. For Prince and his work and the time and space, I think Lovesexy is great. Everything has context, time and space. And our appreciation of things the same. What I love when I am a kid, when I am sad, when I am happy. It changes.

I am not arguing with you, or saying you are wrong, becasue you are not. You are 100% correct. For you.

Art is personal.

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V10LETBLUES said:

electricberet said:

I like the "Silent E song" from the old Electric Company children's TV show:

It's catchy and I loved it when I was younger. At the age of 3 I probably would have preferred it to Prince's songs. Now I know that Prince's best songs are better. I even know that Schoenberg is better. And I think anyone with ears would agree that Beethoven's Ninth Symphony is a greater work of art, if you want to go to the extreme:

Silent E is fantastic. I love it. All I am saying is art and most everything in life is subjective, and everything has it's place. The artistic merit in Silent E is not diminished because it is meant for kids. To me it makes it even better becasue it is so effective and charming for what is was intended for. I think it's perfect.

Art is about appreciation. For Prince and his work and the time and space, I think Lovesexy is great. Everything has context, time and space. And our appreciation of things the same. What I love when I am a kid, when I am sad, when I am happy. It changes.

I am not arguing with you, or saying you are wrong, becasue you are not. You are 100% correct. For you.

Art is personal.

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Okay, well I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. But I want to offer one more example. Are these equally great works of art, depending on your perspective?

electricberet said:

V10LETBLUES said:

Silent E is fantastic. I love it. All I am saying is art and most everything in life is subjective, and everything has it's place. The artistic merit in Silent E is not diminished because it is meant for kids. To me it makes it even better becasue it is so effective and charming for what is was intended for. I think it's perfect.

Art is about appreciation. For Prince and his work and the time and space, I think Lovesexy is great. Everything has context, time and space. And our appreciation of things the same. What I love when I am a kid, when I am sad, when I am happy. It changes.

I am not arguing with you, or saying you are wrong, becasue you are not. You are 100% correct. For you.

Art is personal.

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Okay, well I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. But I want to offer one more example. Are these equally great works of art, depending on your perspective?

Again, it's perspective. Obviously kids love Rebecca Black and have been purchasing her music. Play both of these back to back to them and ask THEM! They are the ones you should be putting the question to.

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Listen, I have my preferences too, and I am not shy to post them here too. Someone posted that they wanted to hang me because I don't like "The Gold Experience" I hate "The Rainbow Childern" and I will say it all day long, but that's my opinion.

I don't think it is just the nudity.

The stamin (is that what it is called?) in the white flower next to him looks phallic.

Now where could the stamin have gone of the flower he is sitting in the middle of?

Is that stamin suppose to represent Prince's Penis?

Is that stamin presently residing in his rectum?

I think that this is what the grown men were wondering and as of yet have not quite figured out;also wondering if little girls could see it the way they see it or did little girls just see a pretty young man?

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V10LETBLUES said:

electricberet said:

Okay, well I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. But I want to offer one more example. Are these equally great works of art, depending on your perspective?

Again, it's perspective. Obviously kids love Rebecca Black and have been purchasing her music. Play both of these back to back to them and ask THEM! They are the ones you should be putting the question to.

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No, we should put the question to kids in 2050. I predict one of these songs will be forgotten by then, and people will still be listening to the other. But we'll see.

V10LETBLUES said:

Listen, I have my preferences too, and I am not shy to post them here too. Someone posted that they wanted to hang me because I don't like "The Gold Experience" I hate "The Rainbow Childern" and I will say it all day long, but that's my opinion.

I don't like The Rainbow Children either. The lyrics are obnoxious and the music doesn't excite me. But I know it's a good album relative to his other stuff from the 00's. In other words, I can recognize music as good but not like it personally. There are also songs and albums that I personally enjoy but I know are objectively inferior. I enjoy MPLSound better than Lotusflow3r, for example, but I know the former is a halfhearted attempt to mimic his glory days and the latter is a more serious effort.

V10LETBLUES said:

electricberet said:

Okay, well I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. But I want to offer one more example. Are these equally great works of art, depending on your perspective?

Again, it's perspective. Obviously kids love Rebecca Black and have been purchasing her music. Play both of these back to back to them and ask THEM! They are the ones you should be putting the question to.

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If the Rebecca Black video had been intentionally done with all those subtly terrible things, I'd say it would qualify it's creator(s) as artists. As it is, because it became this pop phenomenon of how bad contemporary music video and music industry formulas can get, I'd say it's did unintentionally become art because on it's own it became a significant and remarkable representation of a negative critique of the music biz pushing the viewers/listeners into a mentality to make fun of what it stood for. It accidentally became remarkable and affected culture.

There's been a huge trend in contemporary art to be either ironic or to show the stupidity or banality of things. I think it's a cliche now!

ufoclub said:

V10LETBLUES said:

Again, it's perspective. Obviously kids love Rebecca Black and have been purchasing her music. Play both of these back to back to them and ask THEM! They are the ones you should be putting the question to.

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If the Rebecca Black video had been intentionally done with all those subtly terrible things, I'd say it would qualify it's creator(s) as artists. As it is, because it became this pop phenomenon of how bad contemporary music video and music industry formulas can get, I'd say it's did unintentionally become art because on it's own it became a significant and remarkable representation of a negative critique of the music biz pushing the viewers/listeners into a mentality to make fun of what it stood for. It accidentally became remarkable and affected culture.

There's been a huge trend in contemporary art to be either ironic or to show the stupidity or banality of things. I think it's a cliche now!

I'm not arguing that one is a work of art and the other isn't. I'm arguing that one is a great work of art and the other isn't.

The best-selling album of 1967 was More of the Monkees. The same year, The Velvet Underground and Nico only made it to 171 in the U.S. pop chart. Which album is a greater work of art? Is it just a matter of taste? I like the Monkees just fine but I hardly ever listen to them. I can listen to The Velvet Underground and Nico in my head without even putting it on the stereo. And it's not just because the critics like it: there are plenty of albums that critics rave about that I just can't get into.

I think One Nite Alone is his worst album cover. It looks like it belongs in those collection of CDs you pick up at Hallmark. Lovesexy is more a WTF than bad.

Yeah, it's just a list. Besides, I'm pretty sure it took inspiration from this much longer, funnier and better list (in which Prince shows up 3 or 4 times):

http://rateyourmusic.com/list/djlanda/the_100_worst_album_covers_ever

Since the objectivity/subjectivity debate has veered far off the original topic of this thread, I've started a new thread here in Music: Non-Prince in case anyone wants to continue that discussion:

http://prince.org/msg/8/368053

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The sad thing is,the nude album cover prevented many people from buying the album.It was a very bad marketing mistake on Prince's part.The album itself is one of his best.

OnlyNDaUsa said:

funny that ) The Black Crowes -Amorica cover was the editd verson. it orginaly had the pubbies showing in what I assume is a chick's muff...

I love the original cover.

electricberet said:

V10LETBLUES said:

Again, it's perspective. Obviously kids love Rebecca Black and have been purchasing her music. Play both of these back to back to them and ask THEM! They are the ones you should be putting the question to.

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No, we should put the question to kids in 2050. I predict one of these songs will be forgotten by then, and people will still be listening to the other. But we'll see.

I want to play you and everyone here "The Gold Experience" in 2050 and see what you think of it then.

I swear it will be the same reaction as today's kids to Rebecca Black. "Did I really like that crap?"

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Genesia said:

rdhull said:

controversial doesnt equal iconic

iconic is madonnas Like a Virgin, Marvyns Whats Goin On, Springsteens Born To Run, Princes P Rain or SOTT, Sticky Fingers etc etc..

Lovesexy is just a bad airbrushed 13 year old girl with a mustache in some Dr Suess flower land...

vainandy is still pissed that they airbrushed his body hair.

I sure am. And the thing that ruins the picture is where his leg is placed. If you're going to pose nude, open your damn legs. You can't see no dick with that damn leg in the way.