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PrintableEllisDee said: Handclapsfingasnapz said: EllisDee said: kick-ass album... very underrated... i get tired of people slamming this record all the time, and trying to pretend that prince began with "dirty mind"...
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FutureShock said: It definitely does not have a raw artistic edge, I agree. But I don't think that's what Prince was shooting for either. But, I do think that in order to better understand and appreciate the For You album, one has to put the album into the proper perspective. This was Prince's first album. He was a rookie. A very gifted and talented rookie, but still a rookie. As an artist, Prince had not yet matured, and this lack of artisitic maturity does come through in For You. But while the sound is relatively simple, it is very, very pure. And it cannot be overstated that he is doing EVERYTHING alone. Again, remember though, the kid was only 19 years old when most of the album was written. Perspecitive, perspective... remember that when thinking about For You.
This is why I find it very hard to rate the album in those threads that rate all of Prince's albums. I can give it my own personal rating, but I don't give it the low rating that most people do. For just the reasons you state. This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes. | |
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EllisDee said: Anji said: For the record, I just want to make it clear that Supernova stated For You is an inconsequential record (on a thread title For You is a great album). I agree with Supernova!
 and the both of you can be gone from this thread... if you can't feel the groovin' in "for you," i feel sorry for ya... 
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Supernova said: FutureShock said: It definitely does not have a raw artistic edge, I agree. But I don't think that's what Prince was shooting for either. But, I do think that in order to better understand and appreciate the For You album, one has to put the album into the proper perspective. This was Prince's first album. He was a rookie. A very gifted and talented rookie, but still a rookie. As an artist, Prince had not yet matured, and this lack of artisitic maturity does come through in For You. But while the sound is relatively simple, it is very, very pure. And it cannot be overstated that he is doing EVERYTHING alone. Again, remember though, the kid was only 19 years old when most of the album was written. Perspecitive, perspective... remember that when thinking about For You.
This is why I find it very hard to rate the album in those threads that rate all of Prince's albums. I can give it my own personal rating, but I don't give it the low rating that most people do. For just the reasons you state. my sentiments exactly, as well. it's a perfect album 4 a first-timer.  | |
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FutureShock said: Anji said: Whilst it clearly is heartfelt and sincere, I just don't find much in the way of 'raw edge' on that record. Whilst I think the Prince album is excellent, I have often wondered how Prince managed to recover from what sounds like a very inconsequential first record, impact-wise.
It definitely does not have a raw artistic edge, I agree. But I don't think that's what Prince was shooting for either. But, I do think that in order to better understand and appreciate the For You album, one has to put the album into the proper perspective. This was Prince's first album. He was a rookie. A very gifted and talented rookie, but still a rookie. As an artist, Prince had not yet matured, and this lack of artisitic maturity does come through in For You. But while the sound is relatively simple, it is very, very pure. And it cannot be overstated that he is doing EVERYTHING alone. Again, remember though, the kid was only 19 years old when most of the album was written. Perspecitive, perspective... remember that when thinking about For You. He recovered with his second album called "Prince". But... I remember reading a very early interview given by Prince where he said that in many ways, he regretted the "Prince" album because he knew that he wrote most of "Prince" specifically to generate hits for his record company. For me personally, I think such a "sell out" was a relatively small sacrifice for Prince to make because lets face it, I don't care how great of an artist someone may be, if they don't become poplular, they won't become a pop superstar. The Prince album is what kept Prince's musical career alive (at least within the majors). Who knows what would've happened to Prince's career had he not created an album that was a pop success like "Prince". I listen to Maxwell or D'angelo's first record and I think to myself, now that's brilliant. I listen to Prince's first record and I'm relieved we got the 80s. The perspective argument is something most Prince fams use to somewhat justify what is an inconsequential record. I have little care for studio wizardry, or how old someone is, if a record doesn't make an impression on me. | |
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Supernova said: EllisDee said: Anji said: For the record, I just want to make it clear that Supernova stated For You is an inconsequential record (on a thread title For You is a great album). I agree with Supernova!
and the both of you can be gone from this thread... if you can't feel the groovin' in "for you," i feel sorry for ya...
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Handclapsfingasnapz said: EllisDee said: Anji said: For the record, I just want to make it clear that Supernova stated For You is an inconsequential record (on a thread title For You is a great album). I agree with Supernova!
and the both of you can be gone from this thread... if you can't feel the groovin' in "for you," i feel sorry for ya... don't worry, i dig for you...it's an awesome start, but ol' boy didn't find his balls till dm. we gonna save that discussion 4 a rainy day, tho'...  i agree... "dirty mind" is the stronger record...  Mr. Ellis Dee-licious, the Official NPGigolo 
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Anji said: I listen to Maxwell or D'angelo's first record and I think to myself, now that's brilliant. I listen to Prince's first record and I'm relieved we got the 80s. The perspective argument is something most Prince fams use to somewhat justify what is an inconsequential record. I have little care for studio wizardry, or how old someone is, if a record doesn't make an impression on me. Point well taken. If it doesn't move you, it doesn't move you. I can understand that. But, I do think that if comparing "For You" to Maxwell's "Urban Hang Suite", or D'Angelo's "Brown Sugar", it is a bit like comparing apples to oranges. Maxwell has a complete band accompanying him for heaven's sake. And neither Maxwell nor D'Angelo have nearly the level of variety in types and styles of music as compared to For You. I also have to ask, were you around when the For You album was released? Or did you only recently in the past several years go back and add "For You" to your collection? Ask somone how they feel about Maxwell or D'Angelo's first albums 10 to 20 years from now if they weren't around to hear those two gems when they were first released. I'm sure there perspective would be much different than somoeone who was around when the albums were first released. "You've got to believe in something... why not believe in me?" | |
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Anji said: FutureShock said: Anji said: Whilst it clearly is heartfelt and sincere, I just don't find much in the way of 'raw edge' on that record. Whilst I think the Prince album is excellent, I have often wondered how Prince managed to recover from what sounds like a very inconsequential first record, impact-wise.
It definitely does not have a raw artistic edge, I agree. But I don't think that's what Prince was shooting for either. But, I do think that in order to better understand and appreciate the For You album, one has to put the album into the proper perspective. This was Prince's first album. He was a rookie. A very gifted and talented rookie, but still a rookie. As an artist, Prince had not yet matured, and this lack of artisitic maturity does come through in For You. But while the sound is relatively simple, it is very, very pure. And it cannot be overstated that he is doing EVERYTHING alone. Again, remember though, the kid was only 19 years old when most of the album was written. Perspecitive, perspective... remember that when thinking about For You. He recovered with his second album called "Prince". But... I remember reading a very early interview given by Prince where he said that in many ways, he regretted the "Prince" album because he knew that he wrote most of "Prince" specifically to generate hits for his record company. For me personally, I think such a "sell out" was a relatively small sacrifice for Prince to make because lets face it, I don't care how great of an artist someone may be, if they don't become poplular, they won't become a pop superstar. The Prince album is what kept Prince's musical career alive (at least within the majors). Who knows what would've happened to Prince's career had he not created an album that was a pop success like "Prince". I listen to Maxwell or D'angelo's first record and I think to myself, now that's brilliant. I listen to Prince's first record and I'm relieved we got the 80s. You've also got to take into account the fact that Prince wore many more hats in the making of his albums than D'Angelo and Maxwell did during theirs. This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes. | |
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FutureShock said: Anji said: I listen to Maxwell or D'angelo's first record and I think to myself, now that's brilliant. I listen to Prince's first record and I'm relieved we got the 80s. The perspective argument is something most Prince fams use to somewhat justify what is an inconsequential record. I have little care for studio wizardry, or how old someone is, if a record doesn't make an impression on me. Point well taken. If it doesn't move you, it doesn't move you. I can understand that. But, I do think that if comparing "For You" to Maxwell's "Urban Hang Suite", or D'Angelo's "Brown Sugar", it is a bit like comparing apples to oranges. Maxwell has a complete band accompanying him for heaven's sake. And neither Maxwell nor D'Angelo have nearly the level of variety in types and styles of music as compared to For You. I also have to ask, were you around when the For You album was released? Or did you only recently in the past several years go back and add "For You" to your collection? Ask somone how they feel about Maxwell or D'Angelo's first albums 10 to 20 years from now if they weren't around to hear those two gems when they were first released. I'm sure there perspective would be much different than somoeone who was around when the albums were first released. Comparing apples to oranges; they're both fruit but I prefer oranges. Once I've eaten an orange, I don't want to eat the apple. The album, Prince, is like tangy, zesty oranges compared to the bland apples of For You. Yes, I listened to For You over a decade after it was released. That said, I'm sure there are debut records from that time, that made a more profound impression on the record buying public. I was born in 1978 so I don't know of any myself. | |
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Supernova said: Anji said: FutureShock said: Anji said: Whilst it clearly is heartfelt and sincere, I just don't find much in the way of 'raw edge' on that record. Whilst I think the Prince album is excellent, I have often wondered how Prince managed to recover from what sounds like a very inconsequential first record, impact-wise.
It definitely does not have a raw artistic edge, I agree. But I don't think that's what Prince was shooting for either. But, I do think that in order to better understand and appreciate the For You album, one has to put the album into the proper perspective. This was Prince's first album. He was a rookie. A very gifted and talented rookie, but still a rookie. As an artist, Prince had not yet matured, and this lack of artisitic maturity does come through in For You. But while the sound is relatively simple, it is very, very pure. And it cannot be overstated that he is doing EVERYTHING alone. Again, remember though, the kid was only 19 years old when most of the album was written. Perspecitive, perspective... remember that when thinking about For You. He recovered with his second album called "Prince". But... I remember reading a very early interview given by Prince where he said that in many ways, he regretted the "Prince" album because he knew that he wrote most of "Prince" specifically to generate hits for his record company. For me personally, I think such a "sell out" was a relatively small sacrifice for Prince to make because lets face it, I don't care how great of an artist someone may be, if they don't become poplular, they won't become a pop superstar. The Prince album is what kept Prince's musical career alive (at least within the majors). Who knows what would've happened to Prince's career had he not created an album that was a pop success like "Prince". I listen to Maxwell or D'angelo's first record and I think to myself, now that's brilliant. I listen to Prince's first record and I'm relieved we got the 80s. You've also got to take into account the fact that Prince wore many more hats in the making of his albums than D'Angelo and Maxwell did during theirs. It doesn't concern me who wore more hats. I'm more concerned if a record sounds good to me. For You doesn't. | |
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Anji said: Supernova said: Anji said: FutureShock said: Anji said: Whilst it clearly is heartfelt and sincere, I just don't find much in the way of 'raw edge' on that record. Whilst I think the Prince album is excellent, I have often wondered how Prince managed to recover from what sounds like a very inconsequential first record, impact-wise.
It definitely does not have a raw artistic edge, I agree. But I don't think that's what Prince was shooting for either. But, I do think that in order to better understand and appreciate the For You album, one has to put the album into the proper perspective. This was Prince's first album. He was a rookie. A very gifted and talented rookie, but still a rookie. As an artist, Prince had not yet matured, and this lack of artisitic maturity does come through in For You. But while the sound is relatively simple, it is very, very pure. And it cannot be overstated that he is doing EVERYTHING alone. Again, remember though, the kid was only 19 years old when most of the album was written. Perspecitive, perspective... remember that when thinking about For You. He recovered with his second album called "Prince". But... I remember reading a very early interview given by Prince where he said that in many ways, he regretted the "Prince" album because he knew that he wrote most of "Prince" specifically to generate hits for his record company. For me personally, I think such a "sell out" was a relatively small sacrifice for Prince to make because lets face it, I don't care how great of an artist someone may be, if they don't become poplular, they won't become a pop superstar. The Prince album is what kept Prince's musical career alive (at least within the majors). Who knows what would've happened to Prince's career had he not created an album that was a pop success like "Prince". I listen to Maxwell or D'angelo's first record and I think to myself, now that's brilliant. I listen to Prince's first record and I'm relieved we got the 80s. You've also got to take into account the fact that Prince wore many more hats in the making of his albums than D'Angelo and Maxwell did during theirs. It doesn't concern me who wore more hats. I'm more concerned if a record sounds good to me. For You doesn't. I think you're missing the point, but it's cool if you don't like it. I haven't listened to it in years myself. D and Maxwell didn't have complete control, and therefore weren't in charge of everything involved musically that went into the makings of their debut albums. This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes. | |
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Supernova said: Anji said: Supernova said: Anji said: FutureShock said: Anji said: Whilst it clearly is heartfelt and sincere, I just don't find much in the way of 'raw edge' on that record. Whilst I think the Prince album is excellent, I have often wondered how Prince managed to recover from what sounds like a very inconsequential first record, impact-wise.
It definitely does not have a raw artistic edge, I agree. But I don't think that's what Prince was shooting for either. But, I do think that in order to better understand and appreciate the For You album, one has to put the album into the proper perspective. This was Prince's first album. He was a rookie. A very gifted and talented rookie, but still a rookie. As an artist, Prince had not yet matured, and this lack of artisitic maturity does come through in For You. But while the sound is relatively simple, it is very, very pure. And it cannot be overstated that he is doing EVERYTHING alone. Again, remember though, the kid was only 19 years old when most of the album was written. Perspecitive, perspective... remember that when thinking about For You. He recovered with his second album called "Prince". But... I remember reading a very early interview given by Prince where he said that in many ways, he regretted the "Prince" album because he knew that he wrote most of "Prince" specifically to generate hits for his record company. For me personally, I think such a "sell out" was a relatively small sacrifice for Prince to make because lets face it, I don't care how great of an artist someone may be, if they don't become poplular, they won't become a pop superstar. The Prince album is what kept Prince's musical career alive (at least within the majors). Who knows what would've happened to Prince's career had he not created an album that was a pop success like "Prince". I listen to Maxwell or D'angelo's first record and I think to myself, now that's brilliant. I listen to Prince's first record and I'm relieved we got the 80s. You've also got to take into account the fact that Prince wore many more hats in the making of his albums than D'Angelo and Maxwell did during theirs. It doesn't concern me who wore more hats. I'm more concerned if a record sounds good to me. For You doesn't. I think you're missing the point, but it's cool if you don't like it. I haven't listened to it in years myself. D and Maxwell didn't have complete control, and therefore weren't in charge of everything involved musically that went into the makings of their debut albums. I don't understand your point about me missing the point. Also, it doesn't concern me whether D'Angelo or Maxwell had as much control or not over their records. They both sound excellent to me. | |
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Anji said: I don't understand your point about me missing the point.
I know, that's the whole problem.  This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes. | |
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Supernova said: Anji said: I don't understand your point about me missing the point.
I know, that's the whole problem. I don't think there is a point. | |
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For You is a very cute album. It doesn't contain as many outstanding tracks as the subsequent Prince album but its better paced and overall a more engaging album i think. The Prince album falters on its pacing big time, as soon as the album gathers momentum its ballad time and it never seems to get going again after the opening three songs. | |
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I've always dug this lbum.This is what started it all offfor me.Such a bright new rtist,ya' know?You hear that.It's amazing to hear the progression,too."Soft and Wet" used to enrapture me.Then I discoverd "JALAWT" and then the monster rock jam that used to drive one of my girlfriend's crazy when I performed it,"I;m Yours"!! STill a fave!! "I'm a pig..so,magic elixir I swill" | |
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WildheartXXX said: For You is a very cute album. It doesn't contain as many outstanding tracks as the subsequent Prince album but its better paced and overall a more engaging album i think. The Prince album falters on its pacing big time, as soon as the album gathers momentum its ballad time and it never seems to get going again after the opening three songs.
I agree wholeheartedly...the Prince album is good too but loses conceptual focus. | |
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mrdespues said: WildheartXXX said: For You is a very cute album. It doesn't contain as many outstanding tracks as the subsequent Prince album but its better paced and overall a more engaging album i think. The Prince album falters on its pacing big time, as soon as the album gathers momentum its ballad time and it never seems to get going again after the opening three songs.
I agree wholeheartedly...the Prince album is good too but loses conceptual focus. devil's advocate I can't stand that phrase; but how does it lose conceptual focus when there never seemed to be a concept? Some albums are just a collection of songs. Don't ya think? This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes. | |
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Supernova said: mrdespues said: WildheartXXX said: For You is a very cute album. It doesn't contain as many outstanding tracks as the subsequent Prince album but its better paced and overall a more engaging album i think. The Prince album falters on its pacing big time, as soon as the album gathers momentum its ballad time and it never seems to get going again after the opening three songs.
I agree wholeheartedly...the Prince album is good too but loses conceptual focus. devil's advocate I can't stand that phrase; but how does it lose conceptual focus when there never seemed to be a concept? Some albums are just a collection of songs. Don't ya think? by conceptual focus i mean style. the is a more consistent, up beat style and sound and sequencing of tracks to "for you" than there is with "prince". | |
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For You doesn't get the credit it rightly deserves.
It's a great album and the title track gives me chills, it's so lovely. | |
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mrdespues said: Supernova said: mrdespues said: WildheartXXX said: For You is a very cute album. It doesn't contain as many outstanding tracks as the subsequent Prince album but its better paced and overall a more engaging album i think. The Prince album falters on its pacing big time, as soon as the album gathers momentum its ballad time and it never seems to get going again after the opening three songs.
I agree wholeheartedly...the Prince album is good too but loses conceptual focus. devil's advocate I can't stand that phrase; but how does it lose conceptual focus when there never seemed to be a concept? Some albums are just a collection of songs. Don't ya think? by conceptual focus i mean style. the is a more consistent, up beat style and sound and sequencing of tracks to "for you" than there is with "prince". Yes, I agree with you. This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes. | |
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"For You" =  "The little 1 will escort u 2 the places within ur mind" | |
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 's to FutureShock, Supernova & "For You"
"Prince" is great also, IMO - how can anyone find fault in those 2 records just b/c they were cleaner, safer & more R&B?? That's what he was about at that time, he eventually found his way into LOTS of things (the ways in which he wanted to express himself). I'm not mad at ANY phase of his growth as an artist - Dirty Mind never would have happened without For You & Prince so why diss? Listen to them for what they are, not what you think they should have been...   I never met you, but I LOVE you & I will forever!! Thank you for being YOU - my little Princey, the best to EVER do it | |
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CalhounSq said: 's to FutureShock, Supernova & "For You"
"Prince" is great also, IMO - how can anyone find fault in those 2 records just b/c they were cleaner, safer & more R&B?? That's what he was about at that time, he eventually found his way into LOTS of things (the ways in which he wanted to express himself). I'm not mad at ANY phase of his growth as an artist - Dirty Mind never would have happened without For You & Prince so why diss? Listen to them for what they are, not what you think they should have been... The Prince album stutters to much. Taking each song individually its darn good but the whole is not as good as the sum of it's part. Too many ballads. | |
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Anji said: Whilst it clearly is heartfelt and sincere, I just don't find much in the way of 'raw edge' on that record. Whilst I think the Prince album is excellent, I have often wondered how Prince managed to recover from what sounds like a very inconsequential first record, impact-wise.
"Raw Edge" doesnt have to be apparent on every record for it to be good. Get Dirty Mind for that. This was a highly polished first outing for a young budding genius and it was an indicator of the greatness to come | |
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WildheartXXX said: CalhounSq said: 's to FutureShock, Supernova & "For You"
"Prince" is great also, IMO - how can anyone find fault in those 2 records just b/c they were cleaner, safer & more R&B?? That's what he was about at that time, he eventually found his way into LOTS of things (the ways in which he wanted to express himself). I'm not mad at ANY phase of his growth as an artist - Dirty Mind never would have happened without For You & Prince so why diss? Listen to them for what they are, not what you think they should have been... The Prince album stutters to much. Taking each song individually its darn good but the whole is not as good as the sum of it's part. Too many ballads. Read my last sentence again...  I never met you, but I LOVE you & I will forever!! Thank you for being YOU - my little Princey, the best to EVER do it | |
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The album is entertainting because it's a TOTAL CHEESE FEST!
"My Love is Forever": the beginning sounds like backdrop music for a scene on "Love Boat" Picture it! | |
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pimpytheclown said: The album is entertainting because it's a TOTAL CHEESE FEST!
"My Love is Forever": the beginning sounds like backdrop music for a scene on "Love Boat" Picture it! cheese is always good.  | |
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MIAMIVICE said: Anji said: Whilst it clearly is heartfelt and sincere, I just don't find much in the way of 'raw edge' on that record. Whilst I think the Prince album is excellent, I have often wondered how Prince managed to recover from what sounds like a very inconsequential first record, impact-wise.
"Raw Edge" doesnt have to be apparent on every record for it to be good. Get Dirty Mind for that. This was a highly polished first outing for a young budding genius and it was an indicator of the greatness to come | |
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