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Thread started 02/21/03 8:53am

jaypotton

Every Artist has their day, has Prince had his?

All musical artists (well all artists) have a period when they are at the height of their artisitic skills. A time when they are perfectly in tune with the zeitgeist.

Those who die young or groups that split up maintain their mystique and subsequently their greatness. People will ask "what if they hadn't split up or died etc, what would they have gone on to achieve?"

The answer to that question would invariably be "they would have gone down hill, become a parody of themselves, lost their edge and become unfashionable, dull and old"

If The Beatles had not split up in 1970 they would eventually have started turning out dull albums (just listen to some of the solo albums = moments that demonstrate the genius but progressively more crap)

Had Jimi Hendrix not died he would have become old and dull.

Or films stars, James Dean or Marilyn for example.

We want our pop idols (musicians, actors whatever) to remain ever young and forever fashionable and beautiful. But they can't. They get old and they lose touch with the young people and the "street" where they came from. As they become more wealthy they become more coseted and subsequently lose touch with their "voice" that spoke to all of us normal people in such a profound way.

Phil Collins (no I'm not a fan of his) took a savage critical beating when he sang "Another Day in Paradise" that talks about poverty etc. People asked, what would he know, he owns five homes, a jet and a fleet of cars. So even if an artist tries to comment, people find it hard to accept.

Prince perfectly tuned into the zeitgeist (and steered it) through the mid 80s. His influence on the next generation of artists is profound. He will never attain that level of adulation and commercial success again. Nor should anyone, including himself, expect it. He is getting older. He's 44. I don't want him to become a parody of himself (look at the Rolling Stones). I would prefer he continue to speak to my generation who are growing old with him. Sing about things that concern us, not things that concern 14 year olds. Mature as a person and let the art/music mature with you.

Had Prince died in 1990 I honestly believe he would be considered one of the five most important musical artists ever and critics would fall over themselves to bemoan "what might have been". As it is Prince's legacy has been damaged (by himself and the Record Industry problems) and it became very unfashionable to admit to liking Prince in the mid to late 90s.

I believe Prince today (finally after trying so hard to get back to his "glory days" of being a major hit maker) is finally heading down a path that is worthy of his talent.

I am truly excited again over what he will deliver to us next. The Rainbow Children, IMHO, is not his best album (those mid-80s culture changing albums were) BUT it is an excellent album (personally I could live without the voice over thank you - but that is just my opinion and I respect that Prince wanted to do that).

Let's hope he carries on maturing and speaking to US and never tries to get back into the "charts" again.
[This message was edited Fri Feb 21 8:57:19 PST 2003 by jaypotton]
'I loved him then, I love him now and will love him eternally. He's with our son now.' Mayte 21st April 2016 = the saddest quote I have ever read! RIP Prince and thanks for everything.
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Reply #1 posted 02/21/03 9:24am

dagodfather

well put ... when friends ask me ... why are u a prince fan ... or better yet ... "Prince ... what has he been doing ... !!??? hasnt had a hit in years ... " ... i always point out ...that he is still turning out good music ... and varied music ... not the same ole stuff ... I point out that from 80 or so ... to 91-93 or so ... so many critics always had their eyes on him ... from "Dirty Mind" to ... "Sign of the Times" ... thru "Graffitti Bridge" (yes- lest we forget it got 4 stars in Rolling Stone) ... and "Diamonds and Pearls" (with the success of this album - he signed the first huge record contract for 100 million plus - someone at Warners still liked him and thought he was the bomb) ... he he ...
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Reply #2 posted 02/21/03 10:01am

Thumpinhard

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Hitz R defined by Criticz who listen 2 whatz being played on the radio. He iz not on the radio because he isn't signed 2 a record label. Every song he putz out iz a hit 2 somebody...So don't base what iz a hit R not off of some 1 elses opinion.

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F we az a People R not.......
Then we az a people should B.....

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Reply #3 posted 02/21/03 10:02am

Handclapsfinga
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in short: no.

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Reply #4 posted 02/21/03 10:10am

rdhull

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I see it as "has an artist stopped being relevant" syndrome that sooner or later happens. When this hapened for th e Stones was in 78 and they had a resurgence in 81.

Prince stopped in 88 but had 3 resurgences. In 92-95 and 2002. Now what he does with this recent momentum should be telling.
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Reply #5 posted 02/21/03 10:29am

Muziqmkr

jaypotton said:

All musical artists (well all artists) have a period when they are at the height of their artisitic skills. A time when they are perfectly in tune with the zeitgeist.

Those who die young or groups that split up maintain their mystique and subsequently their greatness. People will ask "what if they hadn't split up or died etc, what would they have gone on to achieve?"

The answer to that question would invariably be "they would have gone down hill, become a parody of themselves, lost their edge and become unfashionable, dull and old"

If The Beatles had not split up in 1970 they would eventually have started turning out dull albums (just listen to some of the solo albums = moments that demonstrate the genius but progressively more crap)

Had Jimi Hendrix not died he would have become old and dull.

Or films stars, James Dean or Marilyn for example.

We want our pop idols (musicians, actors whatever) to remain ever young and forever fashionable and beautiful. But they can't. They get old and they lose touch with the young people and the "street" where they came from. As they become more wealthy they become more coseted and subsequently lose touch with their "voice" that spoke to all of us normal people in such a profound way.

Phil Collins (no I'm not a fan of his) took a savage critical beating when he sang "Another Day in Paradise" that talks about poverty etc. People asked, what would he know, he owns five homes, a jet and a fleet of cars. So even if an artist tries to comment, people find it hard to accept.

Prince perfectly tuned into the zeitgeist (and steered it) through the mid 80s. His influence on the next generation of artists is profound. He will never attain that level of adulation and commercial success again. Nor should anyone, including himself, expect it. He is getting older. He's 44. I don't want him to become a parody of himself (look at the Rolling Stones). I would prefer he continue to speak to my generation who are growing old with him. Sing about things that concern us, not things that concern 14 year olds. Mature as a person and let the art/music mature with you.

Had Prince died in 1990 I honestly believe he would be considered one of the five most important musical artists ever and critics would fall over themselves to bemoan "what might have been". As it is Prince's legacy has been damaged (by himself and the Record Industry problems) and it became very unfashionable to admit to liking Prince in the mid to late 90s.

I believe Prince today (finally after trying so hard to get back to his "glory days" of being a major hit maker) is finally heading down a path that is worthy of his talent.

I am truly excited again over what he will deliver to us next. The Rainbow Children, IMHO, is not his best album (those mid-80s culture changing albums were) BUT it is an excellent album (personally I could live without the voice over thank you - but that is just my opinion and I respect that Prince wanted to do that).

Let's hope he carries on maturing and speaking to US and never tries to get back into the "charts" again.
[This message was edited Fri Feb 21 8:57:19 PST 2003 by jaypotton]

A great insightful observation. True, Hendrix would be mocked and ridiculed (Little Richard, Sly Stone, Chuck Berry, Ike Turner etc.) had he lived. No one would praise the contributions and inovations that he contributed to music (Larry Graham). I don't think that Prince has hit his so called "musical peak". I don't think any artist has one as long as they keep creating. As a person that has been listening to Prince's music since For You, I hope that he continues to make music that everyone can get something out of, not just the 14 or 24 year olds.
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Reply #6 posted 02/21/03 1:51pm

piflacoco

he has miles davis on mind...
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Reply #7 posted 02/21/03 2:14pm

MrTation

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jaypotton said:

Had Jimi Hendrix not died he would have become old and dull.




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Reply #8 posted 02/21/03 2:16pm

chickengrease

rdhull said:

Prince stopped in 88 but had 3 resurgences. In 92-95 and 2002. Now what he does with this recent momentum should be telling.



omfg He had a resurgence last year?
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Reply #9 posted 02/21/03 2:58pm

MiaBocca

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Prince has had his "artist of the moment" time - where artists synch with the general buying public and critics - he lasted '80 - '88 critically, and '82 - '94 commercially (with 84 - 87 being the real height of where both those crossed).

All is left is a come back (2003 is ripe after last years underground appreciation) - that's if he can be arsed/wants to.

The electroclash movement is SCREAMING out for an artist such as Prince to mix black and white music - Black pop music genres at the moment are really dire.

We'll have to see I guess, after a comeback, there's the obligatory awards and performances, people ass-kissing him like they've always loved his music, and then after he passes away he's a legend.
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Reply #10 posted 02/21/03 3:04pm

AaronUnlimited

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Thumpinhard said:

Hitz R defined by Criticz who listen 2 whatz being played on the radio. He iz not on the radio because he isn't signed 2 a record label.



he stopped having hits on the radio years before he stopped putting out records on real labels (1999)
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Reply #11 posted 02/21/03 3:06pm

Starmist7

He has his EVERYDAY...heart...
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Reply #12 posted 02/21/03 9:05pm

Jem

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I've heard many times (fan base wise, concert population) that sign o' the times was his peek. U think this is true?
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Reply #13 posted 02/21/03 10:01pm

JonSnow

jaypotton said:


If The Beatles had not split up in 1970 they would eventually have started turning out dull albums (just listen to some of the solo albums = moments that demonstrate the genius but progressively more crap)



This is a shaky assumption. The Beatles were amazing because of their combined elements. Yes, each solo Beatle album had weak tracks... but if they were still together, only the best tracks - and presumably improved by the rest of the band - would have been released.

I've often imagined what the next Beatles album would have been:

Mother
Instant Karma
Maybe I'm Amazed
Back Seat of My Car
My Sweet Lord
All Things Must Pass
Isn't It a Pity?
OO You
Isolation
What Is Life?
Junk
God

now THAT would have been an album.

Okay, so i got a bit off topic...
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Reply #14 posted 02/21/03 10:04pm

lovebizzare

I don't think his has, it's like every few years he comes back-you know what I mean?
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Reply #15 posted 02/21/03 11:01pm

Supernova

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dagodfather said:

"Graffitti Bridge" (yes- lest we forget it got 4 stars in Rolling Stone) ...

Four and a half, to be exact.
This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes.
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Reply #16 posted 02/22/03 4:19am

lovebird

True, Prince is no longer a top ten artist, but maybe that is because of some of the public view of him. A lot of time when people find out I'm a Prince fan, they come back with PRINCE???, and they haven't even listened to anything he has done in years.

Anyone that attended the ONA show knows Prince still has it.
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Reply #17 posted 02/22/03 5:12am

Marrk

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I can see two sides to this.He's playing to his crowd now, not a load of 'bandwagon jumpers'.Sure it'd be nice to hear him on the radio with some new stuff, but without the financial clout of a major label behind him, it isn't going to happen i'm afraid.

Perhaps he should have a word with Springsteen and Elton John and see what kind of deals they have, you don't hear them complaining.

Bottom line - is Prince happy with things the way they are? if he is, leave him be.If he isn't (or when the $'s dry up), he'll eventually sign to a major on his terms.
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Reply #18 posted 02/22/03 5:31am

ConsciousConta
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Marrk said:

Bottom line - is Prince happy with things the way they are? if he is, leave him be.


Word!
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Reply #19 posted 02/25/03 6:22am

jaypotton

JonSnow said:



This is a shaky assumption. The Beatles were amazing because of their combined elements. Yes, each solo Beatle album had weak tracks... but if they were still together, only the best tracks - and presumably improved by the rest of the band - would have been released.

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Good point and quite possibly true. However, I still maintain that all artists/bands have their time and eventually they will fall out of favour. Even if critics continue to lay praise on them for the quality of their work, the next generation of record buyers will have their own artists (because most kids don't buy the same music as their parents or even older siblings) and see the ones from the previous decade as old and dull*. Most records (sorry CDs) are purchased by 14-24 yr olds (I read somewhere) so to be a major selling artist you really need to appeal to that age group.

* I remember delighting in the disgust my parents displayed when I was playing the Purple Rain album (particularly Darling Nikki). They would have preferred me to be playing Led Zeppelin or Pink Floyd (ironically I do play those as well now)
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Reply #20 posted 02/25/03 6:25am

Naymani

"Every Artist has their day, has Prince had his?"

In the words of Mr. T:

"Yeah F___! Everyday!"
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Play me some Prince tunes, please. Take me on a merry-go-round of pure funk power. I wants ta get funked up. fro music headbang[/quote]
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