Apples

I'm not a big fan of the Vanity stuff (some stuff here and there) but the Apollonia 6 album never gets old for me.

OldFriends4Sale said:

Possessed: the Rise & Fall of Prince

p 63

chapter 5 Majesty

A turning point in the relationship came when Vanity had an affair with Albert Magnoli, enraging Prince. Just a few months before shooting was to begin, Vanity left Purple Rain. She has said she quit over money issues, although other reports indicated she was fired. One knowledgeable source says Vanity was indeed dismissed, and that both her financial demands and the affair with Magnoli were factors.

Prince and his managers agreed that the best course was to find a replacement who could in essence stand in for Vanity. Hundreds of obscure actresses and wannabes answered the call to audition for the vacant role. Prince quickly settled on 22 yr old Patricia Kotero of Santa Monica, California, who had starred in the miniseries Mystic Warriors. The reason for the selection was obvious to everyone: Kotero looked very much like Vanity: Prince inauspiciously dubbed her Apollonia, after a character in the first Godfather film (played by Simonetta Stefanelli) who is killed by a car bomb after marrying Al Pacino's Michael Corleone.

Shortly after recruiting Apollonia, he took her to a Los Angeles club where he had heard that Vanity would be partying. Vanity, who had not yet learned anything about her replacement, was shocked to see a woman dancing nearby who looked like a mirror image of herself.

This was in his younger years, however, if true, it shows how he perceives women merely as replaceable objects than human beings with feelings, motives and individuality. He literally shows Apollonia that he has replaced her because she had acted as an individual and didn't behave the way he wanted her to behave. Let's hope he has matured and doesn't act like this anymore.

dJJ said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Possessed: the Rise & Fall of Prince

p 63

chapter 5 Majesty

A turning point in the relationship came when Vanity had an affair with Albert Magnoli, enraging Prince. Just a few months before shooting was to begin, Vanity left Purple Rain. She has said she quit over money issues, although other reports indicated she was fired. One knowledgeable source says Vanity was indeed dismissed, and that both her financial demands and the affair with Magnoli were factors.

Prince and his managers agreed that the best course was to find a replacement who could in essence stand in for Vanity. Hundreds of obscure actresses and wannabes answered the call to audition for the vacant role. Prince quickly settled on 22 yr old Patricia Kotero of Santa Monica, California, who had starred in the miniseries Mystic Warriors. The reason for the selection was obvious to everyone: Kotero looked very much like Vanity: Prince inauspiciously dubbed her Apollonia, after a character in the first Godfather film (played by Simonetta Stefanelli) who is killed by a car bomb after marrying Al Pacino's Michael Corleone.

Shortly after recruiting Apollonia, he took her to a Los Angeles club where he had heard that Vanity would be partying. Vanity, who had not yet learned anything about her replacement, was shocked to see a woman dancing nearby who looked like a mirror image of herself.

This was in his younger years, however, if true, it shows how he perceives women merely as replaceable objects than human beings with feelings, motives and individuality. He literally shows Apollonia that he has replaced her because she had acted as an individual and didn't behave the way he wanted her to behave. Let's hope he has matured and doesn't act like this anymore.

That may be asking for too much.

mimi02 said:

dJJ said:

This was in his younger years, however, if true, it shows how he perceives women merely as replaceable objects than human beings with feelings, motives and individuality. He literally shows Apollonia that he has replaced her because she had acted as an individual and didn't behave the way he wanted her to behave. Let's hope he has matured and doesn't act like this anymore.

That may be asking for too much.

http://prince.org/msg/5/366078?&pg=3

Reply #65 posted 09/16/11 10:33am

substitution

there is also a short piece with Prince circulating

A Million Miles (I Love You)

lead: Brenda Bennet

How could I illustrate my love 4 U?
What would U do if U were in my shoes?
Would U climb the highest mountain?
Would U sail across the sea?
If I were a million miles away, would U visit me?

How could I illustrate how much I really care?
How could U do if U were here, my dear, and I was there?
Would U eat a poison apple?
Would U be burned at the stake?
If I were a million miles away, would U visit me?

CHORUS:
I love U a million miles, I love U
I love U a million miles, I love U

If U love me, would U eat a poison apple?
How much would U take?
And would U be burned at the stake?
Where's the dawn?
Darkness is death
Don't die, live 4ever
Say U love him

How could I demonstrate the way U make me feel?
If I walked through fire, would U say my love was real?
U got me crazy, I'd do most anything
If U got in trouble, I'd sell my diamond ring
That's how much I love U, baby, a million miles

CHORUS {x2}

(Somebody, somebody clap your hands) {x4}
Somebody, somebody

A million miles
A million miles

© 1984 Girlsongs Music - ASCAP

@ the Purple Rain(movie) Premiere Party

OldFriends4Sale said:

Possessed: the Rise & Fall of Prince

p 63

chapter 5 Majesty

[...] Prince inauspiciously dubbed her Apollonia, after a character in the first Godfather film (played by Simonetta Stefanelli) who is killed by a car bomb after marrying Al Pacino's Michael Corleone.

There was an interview someone posted here on the org w/ Apollonia, being interviewed by drag queen in California. She said her name was Patricia Apollonia Kotera - her real middle name - and Prince said she should be called Apollonia, she'll be "one of those one name girls, like Cher."

hls2000 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Possessed: the Rise & Fall of Prince

p 63

chapter 5 Majesty

[...] Prince inauspiciously dubbed her Apollonia, after a character in the first Godfather film (played by Simonetta Stefanelli) who is killed by a car bomb after marrying Al Pacino's Michael Corleone.

There was an interview someone posted here on the org w/ Apollonia, being interviewed by drag queen in California. She said her name was Patricia Apollonia Kotera - her real middle name - and Prince said she should be called Apollonia, she'll be "one of those one name girls, like Cher."

Yeah, I had recently seen that too. She did say that Apollonia was her middle name.

24) INT. REHEARSAL HALL -- DAY

MUSIC throbs throuch the crammed,
rundown REHEARSAL HALL. Hardwood
floors, a wall of mirrors, and a bank of
windows provides the setting. SUNLIGHT
streams through tattered yellow shades.


The Time is set up on one side providing
the music for "Sex Shooter" a saucy
number with an irresistible beat.

Morris, with Jerome by his side, stands
in the middle of the floor, SHOUTS
instructions to...

...BRENDA and SUSAN, gamely trying some
intricate dance steps. Brenda is 21
years old, blond, sexy, with an alluring
new-wave look. Susan is 16 years old,
with dark, lustrous hair and a sexy baby-
doll quality. Right now they're tired as
hell, and a little angry--

MORRIS
One, two, three, kick! One,
two, three, kick! Four,
five...Oh, Lord. Cut! Cut!

The MUSIC stops, the girls come to a
halt -- Morris regards them evenly--



MORRIS
You ladies don't seem to
realize how valuable my time
is. You're going to make my
boys look bad.

BRENDA
Why don't you let us come up
with our own steps?

Morris glares at her--

MORRIS
We tried that...
(sweetly)
... remember?

The Girls fidget--

MORRIS
Now you're in the best
possible position you can be
in, so what' s the matter --
your shoes on too tight or
something?
(claps his hands)
Let's have some action, let's
have some asses wiggling, I
want some perfection. Whawhak!


The MUSIC starts up -- the Girls start
dancing. Morris looks woefully to
Jerome---

MORRIS
I think I'm going to need a
drink, a strong drink.
(a beat)
Let's get the hell out of
here.

Ooo She She Wa Wa

I got a shape like a bottle of co-co-coca-cola
I got a built-in attitude like U've never seen
I dance with the beat of the clock
Come on baby, let's rock

CHORUS:
Ooo she she wa wa
I'm the one that U... oooh, I'm the one that U... oooh
I'm the one that I U want

Meow

I get a fever when U touch my lingerie in public
Take my temperature 2 your place while I'm still hot
I gotta be home by 10
But I'll be your bestest friend

CHORUS

I'm the one that I U want
Hear me now... oooh

Dance with the beat of the clock
Everybody, let's rock

CHORUS

I'm the one that I U want

Slower

My name is Susan (Yeah)
And I'm Aquarius (Yeah)
I'll make U happy (Yeah)
If U give me candy
It ain't funny (No)
I'm sweet as honey (Yeah)
And I'm guaranteed, guaranteed 2 please
My name is Susan (Yeah)
And I'm a-oozin' (Yeah)
With desire, desire 4 U
Just come and take me (Yeah)
I'm all yours (Yeah)
If U're a gentleman, we'll make out
It's alright (Yeah)
It's alright (Yeah)
I said it's alright (Yeah) (Yeah)
It's alright (Yeah)
My name is Susan
It's alright

© 1984 Girlsongs Music - ASCAP

OldFriends4Sale said:

Yowza!

hls2000 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Yowza!

johnart said:

Apples

I'm not a big fan of the Vanity stuff (some stuff here and there) but the Apollonia 6 album never gets old for me.

I prefere how the Vanity 6 music flows with the era

the Apollonia stuff had no direction, especially in connection to the movie, same with the Time.

Like I can make a 1999/What Times Is It?/Vanity 6 playlist and it sound like an interaction.

It's harder for me to do that with Purple Rain/Ice Cream Castles/Apollonia 6 for some reason

OldFriends4Sale said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

eros said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

both pretty but Vanity had IT

There are a few pics I have of Apollonia where she could be mistaken for Vanity but overall Vanity stood out to me

Funny, because as I began to read this thread I immediately thought of this particular image I am convinced however that it is one of the leftover Vanity test shots for the film

Yes, I agree. I use to be a subscriber to the "Vanity and Apollonia look nothing alike" belief. But, lately, even I have been confused at which one I'm looking at. The above pic especially. If you glance at it...it could be Vanity. It's a mind-freak...LOL

I think that their side profiles favors;moreso, then head on. Vanity has more of a "grown woman sex-appeal" to her look while Apollonia has a "pretty girl-next-door" quality to hers.

I guess, if you're attracted to women, you really can't go wrong having either one of them.

eros said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Blue Limousine

7:30 - he said that he'd be here by 6
It's lookin' dirty, I guess he's up 2 his old tricks
He likes 'em pretty, he likes 'em in their lingerie
It's such a pity, I bought a camisole 2 day ... boo hoo, boo hoo

7:30 and there's still no sign of my baby's blue limousine

7:31 - I planned 4 him 2 spend the night
We could've had some fun, pretty men, they never treat U right
They talk so dirty, they get U all worked up inside
It's your car, but everybody else always gets 2 drive

7:31 and there's still no sign of my baby's blue limousine

He's got a white one, he's got a yellow one
He's got a black one with a body obscene
Still no sign of my baby's blue limousine {x2}

7:32 - where can my baby be?
I must be a fool 2 let somebody do this 2 me
I can't stop him, wherever he parks his car is alright
But he'll be parkin' with a dent in the side if he stands me up 2 night

7:32 and there's still no U, my baby blue limousine
Baby blue limousine {x4}

He's got a white one, he's got a yellow one
He's got a black one with a body obscene
Still no sign of my baby's blue limousine

He treats U special like U're the only one
Then your girlfriend tells U that he's havin' big fun
Still no sign of my baby's blue limousine

He's so pretty, he's so nice
He'll make U feel like U're in a paradise
Still no sign of my baby's blue limousine {x2}

He like 'em pretty, he like big titties
He likes 'em in their lingerie
Still no sign of my baby's blue limousine

He's all black, he's all white
Everybody's gotta jam 2 night
Limousine {x2}
Still no sign of my baby's blue limousine {x2}

© 1984 Girlsongs Music - ASCAP

Check out Sheila E's song 'Toy Box' ...exact same music and melody

Yeah I like that similarity.

I wish ToyBox had more of a bunch like Blue Limousine though

I think it's 'jamming' quality sorty removed the sexual edge it should have had, should have had some guitar like Dear Michaelangelo

Most of the time you can tell the difference between Vanity and Apollonia but in some of their pics they really do look similar That screenshot of Apollonia (or as some of us think, rumored to be a test shot with Vanity) lying on top of Prince is one such example Both were stunning women, no doubt.

btw I read that Vanity's departure was a combo of her complicated romantic relationship with Prince and all the other girls he had sex with, her revenge fuck with Albert Magnoli, her wanting more money for Purple Rain, and her offer to be in The Last Temptation of Christ with a host of stars (Aidan Quinn, Sting and Ray Davies). She was given the role of Mary Magdalene in the film, but just before shooting was going to take place, there was a budget problem so it never happened. Then, while out to lunch at a fancy restaurant in L.A., Vanity was approached by Suzanne de Passe who thought she would be a good addition to Motown, which led to that music/movie deal.

When The Last Temptation of Christ was eventually filmed in the late 80s, Quinn, Sting, Davies and Vanity were not a part of it.

OldFriends4Sale said:

Following the 1999 tour, Prince had started recording songs, including "Promise To Be True," "Vibrator," and "Sex Shooter," for an intended second Vanity 6 album. There were also numerous songs left over from sessions for their first album to choose from, including "I Need A Man," "Jealous Girl," "Moral Majority," "Pizza," and "Too Much." Prince had also recorded "No Call U" (known as "U Call Me" amongst fans) and "Extra Lovable" with Vanity singing lead. However, after participating in acting and singing sessions in preparation for Purple Rain, Vanity suddenly quit and left Prince's camp.

Although her romantic falling-out with Prince has often been attributed as the main reason for her sudden departure, more important was the fact that she was asking for more money than the producers were willing to pay her. She was fielding other offers, including a role in Martin Scorsese's planned The Last Temptation Of Christ, and she felt her role in Purple Rain was worth more than the producers seemed to think it was. "The movie was Prince's dream. He was bringing in everybody for very little money. You've got to pay people. You've got to be fair," said Vanity. "They wouldn't pay me enough money to go through with the crap I would have to go through. I don't do things like this free of charge. I didn't want to be stuck in the snow at 6 in the morning in some camper with no place to change clothes. Who needs that?"

Vanity 6 becomes Apollonia 6

The film was too far along in development to be substantially re-written. The problem was finding a substitute to fill the void left by Vanity's departure. After auditioning some 700 women in New York and Los Angeles, a 22-year-old model named Patricia Kotero was chosen for the female lead role. (---) She got the part and Prince suggested the name Apollonia, after a character in The Godfather. And so, Apollonia 6 rose from the ashes of the defunct Vanity 6.

"Sex Shooter" was the starting point of the Apollonia 6 album. Having previously cut the song with Vanity on lead vocals, Prince re-recorded the song with Apollonia in his home studio on a day off from filming Purple Rain. Work on the album continued after shooting in Minneapolis had been completed. Prince re-located to Los Angeles for recording sessions at Sunset Sound and to shoot some complimentary footage for the film.

Some of the first songs Prince recorded for the album in late December 1983 and early 1984 included "The Glamorous Life," "In A Spanish Villa," "Next Time Wipe The Lipstick Off Your Collar," "Oliver's House," and a song called "Blue Love." He also revamped the Vanity 6 outtake "Moral Majority" and recorded "17 Days" for possible use by Apollonia 6, to be sung by Brenda, the group's smoker (hence the lyric, "All I've got is two cigarettes and this broken heart of mine"). Work on their album continued throughout January and February 1984 alongside sessions for The Time's Ice Cream Castle and other recordings.

The first configuration of the album had the following track listing: "Take Me With U" / "Sex Shooter" / "Manic Monday" / "A Million Miles (I Love You)" / "Ooo She She Wa Wa" / "Some Kind Of Lover" / "In A Spanish Villa." By this time, in late February 1984, Prince had decided to withhold some of the songs he had initially intended for the group, instead planning them for an album with Sheila E. He also decided to keep "17 Days" for a single B-side ("When Doves Cry"). "The Glamorous Life" was written by Prince about Apollonia. "He used to make all these stupid jokes, 'You're the kind of chick who would wear a mink coat in the summertime.' To this day I don't have my own mink coat! When Sheila came into the scene, Prince took away the song from us and gave it to her. At that point it was like, 'Man, this is just not fair.' Since I was a newcomer, I kinda bit my tongue, but Susan and Brenda really let him have it."

Prince's duet with Apollonia, "Take Me With U," was planned as the album's lead-off single, and with "Manic Monday" and "Sex Shooter" as two other strong pop tunes and potential hits, the album was shaping up to become one of Prince's most commercial, pop-oriented side projects thus far. A month later, however, Prince changed his mind and reclaimed "Take Me With U" to use it on his Purple Rain album instead. It was the last track added to Purple Rain, and "Computer Blue," which had already been shortened a number of times, had to be edited one last time to accommodate for the song. Towards the end of the Sunset Sound sessions, Prince recorded "Blue Limousine" for Apollonia 6 as a replacement for "Take Me With U."

Back in Minneapolis after this nearly four-month long stay in Los Angeles, Prince cut "Happy Birthday, Mr. Christian" at the Eden Prairie (Flying Cloud Drive) warehouse he was using for rehearsals and recording sessions up until the Purple Rain tour. "Manic Monday" was still included on a Warner Bros. pre-release cassette tape of the Apollonia 6 album, but Prince pulled the song at last minute, replacing it with "Happy Birthday, Mr. Christian." He later gave "Manic Monday" to The Bangles, who scored a huge international hit with their own version of the song in 1986.

Lacking conviction

After Sheila E.'s The Glamorous Life and The Time's Ice Cream Castle, Apollonia 6 became the third Starr Company production in 1984 when it was released on October 1st. Though Prince's name doesn't appear anywhere on the record, it was clearly another sample of his undercover work, as he wrote, played and produced most of it. The songs on the album are attributed to Sheila E., members of Apollonia 6, and The Revolution. In reality, Prince was responsible for all of the songs, but he gave Lisa Coleman a co-writing credit on "A Million Miles (I Love You)," while Brenda Bennett received a co-credit on "Some Kind Of Lover."
(---)

Apollonia 6 fade away

In view of how many first-rate songs Prince decided not to use on the Apollonia 6 album, including "Take Me With U," "Manic Monday," "The Glamorous Life," and "17 Days," it is obvious that Prince lost interest in the project somewhere along the line, instead turning his attention to Sheila E. and his next side project, The Family. Vanity was clearly a crucial inspiring force behind Prince's concept of a raunchy, sexy girl trio. For Apollonia, it was much more a case of playing a role, and she made it quite clear that her career goals did not necessarily include a future as one part of Apollonia 6. She never committed herself to anything beyond the Purple Rain film and an album with Apollonia 6. Consequently, the project lacked conviction and it is fairly evident that Prince's heart was not in the project.

There was talk of making videos for all the tracks on the album, and Apollonia claimed at the time, "Warners requested - no demanded - that we make a video for every song on the album." Apart from a video for "Sex Shooter," which was released as a single (also available in an extended version on maxi-single), nothing happened to the grandiose plans. With no second single, the project slowly faded away, perhaps not missed by too many.

With hindsight, Apollonia said in 1989, "Purple Rain was a success and Apollonia was a device for that concept, but there's no way that any woman could attain respectability travelling around the world in her undergarments."

guarinigirl2000 said:

Timmy84 said:

^ I had always figured the reason for Vanity being dismissed was because of her promiscousness (sp?) at the time so it don't surprise me. I had heard stories she quit but I can believe she was fired.

Prince was a little hypocrite. We know he was sleepign with everything on legs back then.

ThrillUorKillU said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I totally think Vanity had a better everything, definately a better body. Vanity was toned

Dont get me wrong cuz Id choice Vanity over Apollonia. And both of them had nice bodies. But Imo Apollonia's was a little better..As far as bigger boobs and more shape. Vanity was more slim

I haven't been on the org in a while but i must say i really enjoyed reading this thread, I've always thought all of Prince women looked alike, Vanity, Apollonia, Mayta etc. All of them where very attractive. So what is the big fuss about and why can't we all just get along!!! lmbo

eros said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

both pretty but Vanity had IT

There are a few pics I have of Apollonia where she could be mistaken for Vanity but overall Vanity stood out to me

Funny, because as I began to read this thread I immediately thought of this particular image I am convinced however that it is one of the leftover Vanity test shots for the film

Oh, La, la,...I love me some him. I have to go back to sleep after seeing this picture, good night org lol ...sweet dreams! LMBO

...Vanity snaps out of it. Jill is
tugging at her arm, a puzzled look on
her face--

JILL
Here, fill this out -- I'll
have him call you.

VANITY
I don't have a phone. When
will he be back?

JILL
Well...you can try tomorrow.

VANITY
You can count on it.

Vanity hands the card back to her --
Jill reads the name, address -- looks up
puzzled--

JILL
Vanity??

BACKSTAGE
as Morris and The Time pass Prince on
their way to the stage--

MORRIS
Why don't you stay awhile, see
how it's done.

The Band Members bust up -- but Prince
ignores them, then--

MC
Ladies and gentlemen -- please
welcome The Time.

Joseph E. Ferraro ... First Avenue M.C.

CLUB
Sudden APPLAUSE and CRIES. Vanity and
Jill turn directly into the path of
Prince, descending the Steps of the
stage. Vanity gasps, LOCKS eyes with
him. Jill seems to jump out of her skin
-- it's obvious she has a crush on him
something awful--



JILL
Hi ya, Prince -- God I liked
that song, it's real fun.

She fidgets uncontrollably, Vanity's
card buring a hole into her hand.
Prince glances at the card, then stares
at Vanity, the ripeness of her look
paralyzing. He tears his eyes away,
puts on his sunglesses, looks toward the
stage.

18A) INT. CLUB -- NEAR STAGE -- NIGHT

MORRIS and The Time rip into a funk tune
called "Jungle Love." Their stranglehold
on the audience is instantaneous.
Morris struts across the stage like a
panther, playing to the audience with a
relish. His eyes fastened on Prince --
his pride umistakable.

PRINCE watches Morris a moment, then
eyes Vanity again. The heat between
them is apparent. Vanity's heart is
pounding, she's not sure what to do.
She keeps her eyes on Morris, hoping
that a Solution will present itself.

PRINCE watches as Jill tacks the card to
a board behind the bar. Sizing up the
situation quickly, he again glances at
Vanity -- but her eyes are fastened on
Morris. Feeling terribly shy and
thinking there's nothing he can do to
divert her attention away from him, he
reluctantly heads for the front door.
Vanity finally hits upon something to
say, turns--

VANITY
I really liked your song
too...

But he's gone. Her eyes scan the room
frantically -- catches a glimpse of him
leaving. She takes a sudden step, then
stops, paralyzed with indecision. Jill
regards ger coldly.


MORRIS meanwhile is beside himself.
Some gorgeous, dark-haired babe, eyes
wide as saucers was starlng at him from
the bar. Prince has left, and this girl
is his. He motions to Jerome, and they
direct their act in her direction.

JILL gazes at Vanity, fidgets intensely,
suspicious and resentful of her. She
glances up and notices Morris, look.
She seizes upon an idea, forces a
friendly smile, taps Vanity on the
shoulder--

JILL
Hey ...

She points to the stage. Vanity looks
at Morris, and he goes crazy,
entertaining her with his own special
blend of showmanship. The CROWD loves
it! Vanity is held a moment, but her
thouchts are elsewhere. She finally
comes to a decision, pulls away, cuts
through the club.


(18B) INT. FOYER AND STAIRWAY -- NIGHT

as she runs down the stairs, cuts behind
Chick, BURSTS out the door.


(19) EXT. CLUB -- NIGHT

FRANTIC! The STREETS are thick with
TRAFFIC. She scans them wildly --
nothing. Suddenly Prince, astride his
motorcycle, BLAZES past her from the
opposite direction. She starts running,
shouts--

VANITY
Hey wait!

But Prince is too far away, the traffic
too coneested for him to hear. He whips
down the street, disappears around the
corner.

Vanity continues running, then slows,
dejection overcoming her in waves. She
looks around -- KIDS are staring at her,
passing jokes. Embarrassed, She moves
to the front door but Chick is there,
his eyes upon her cold, impassionate.

Exhausted and slighlty tearlul, she cuts
across the street, heads back to her
apartment.