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New topic PrintableI seem to remember a video clip of Stevie Nicks outside a Musicology gig getting quite emotional about the experience.
Fuck the funk - it's time to ditch the worn-out Vegas horns fills, pick up the geee-tar and finally ROCK THE MUTHA-FUCKER!! He hinted at this on Chaos, now it's time to step up and fully DELIVER!!
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Why does everybody like Days of wild? Sounds like a wack ass rap with some rock/funk vibe. Something like RHCP but wacker. Acknowledge me sounds like a crappy new jack swing song with no so great cheap production. | |
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"Something like RHCP but wacker" gave me a hearty laugh.
"Days of Wild" & "Acknowledge Me" were good live -- at that time. As with most rap from that time period, it didn't stand the test of time. Most of us that were fans long before those songs were written, became fans of the live version of the song first. Kind of like "Come." "Come" is great on the DNA Lounge aftershow from 1993. Far superior to the version that was released by Warner in 1994, the version on "The Beautiful Experience," etc. "Days of Wild" (Glam Slam West 4/26/94) crushes the demo and the version on "Crystal Ball." "Acknowledge Me" sounded great live (again, back then -- doesn't stand the test of time), but suffered once it was released with an addition of one of the worst attempts at rap lyrics that Prince has ever recorded. I can't recall off the top of my head because I haven't heard it in around ten years. And I can't be bothered to go find it on dtt-lyrics because I don't want to be reminded of how lame it is.
As for tRC, fuck that album. There are a handful of great songs musically, but they are ruined with his religious bullshit.
But haters of those that don't like 75-90% of tGE, the preachiness of tRC, and *anything* some guest rapper has ruined -- even Prince doesn't care for that material. When was the last time Prince played something from tRC at a concert? ONA tour? How about anything from tGE other than "Shhh"? Oh wait, I think he's been playing Endorphinmachine again lately. So yeah, two songs from tGE.
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Dude, pur-lease. That instrumental could just as easily have been partly W&L's work. As if Nicks would know anything about that. [Edited 8/25/11 1:13am] © Bart Van Hemelen
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The script was based on true events. © Bart Van Hemelen
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Very, very loosely based on true events. Wendy and Lisa did not write Purple Rain | |
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that is very positive, and something new...Prince's history and collaboration w/ other artists extends through 3 decades...let's hope others also share Princely treats with us
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Please. There was absolutely NO reason to bring Lisa and Wendy up, let alone downplay their contributions to his/their success. They worked on a lot of songs back then, including this one. Was it a co-write? I doubt it, and I don't know that too many people (outside of casual folk who only know Prince for Purple Rain, the album and film) even believe that they did.
Either way, there was no reason for you to undermine their contributions to his music in this thread. You just wanted to start something. | |
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Well when it came out both allready sounded wack and somewhat dated. I think all the songs on TGE are better then those 2. | |
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Wendy & Lisa said themselves that they didn't write it but they helped. They said Prince had an original demo with very simple chords and that Wendy changed the chords a bit so they became the opening guitar chord sequence, | |
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The "Stand Back" recording session took place in early January 1983, while "Purple Rain" was recorded live on 3 August 1983 at First Avenue, at the Minnesota Dance Theatre benefit concert. (Incidentally, this was Wendy Melvoin's first concert as a member of Prince's band The Revolution -- she was a mere nineteen years old.) Per Nilsen's excellent Prince biography DanceMusicSexRomance -- Prince: The First Decade has got some more information about the title track:
Bobby "Z" Rivkin remembers hearing Prince playing the chord changes of the song during a rehearsal in Cincinatti in December 1982: "It was so different. It was almost country. It was almost rock. It was almost gospel." Matt Fink believes "Purple Rain" was influenced by Bob Seger, "I told Prince to do a song like that. When we were out on the 1999 tour, Bob Seger was shadowing us, playing everywhere we went. Prince said, 'I don't understand the appeal of that stuff.' I go, 'It's like country-rock, it's white music. You should write a ballad like Bob Seger writes and you'll cross right over.' And he did!"
Little else is known about the genesis of one of Prince's signature songs, although Wendy Melvoin claims the ...s involved:
According to Wendy Melvoin, the title track for the movie was truly a collaborative effort. Prince came in with the melody and the words and an "idea" of what the verses would be like. She played the opening chords, and everyone in The Revolution chipped in from there. © Bart Van Hemelen
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I think stupid music, lyrics and attitude can be charming, like most pop music. But these two albums stand out in that they wear their stupidity cockily on their sleeve. Stupid, arrogant and ignorant all in their own package. People can play down the stupidity of the lyrics, (which I can), the unoriginality of the music (which I can) The cockiness (yeah)....but there is something so cringe-worthy about the total sum of their parts that I just cannot stand. But that's' just me. (and apparently most of the record buying public)
But back to "Stand Back" most everything he did in that era was so great. He was on a roll. Most everything he wrote in the 80's has an that certain something that still resonates 30 years later. His 90's work was immediately forgettable. Hopefully immediately forgettable. Some of his 90's work you needed to scrub out of your ears. | |
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ufoclub said: Did people think Wendy and Lisa helped write the song because of the script of the movie? Yes, some sure did/still believe that, but his music crossed over before w&l became part of his band. | |
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The 19 November 1984 issue of People magazine contained the following:
"Friendship, real friendship, that's all that counts," Prince once said wistfully, admitting, "I would like to be a more loving person." Keyboard player Wendy Melvoin of the Revolution believes that Prince is changing: "There's a willingness to accept new things." The title of his file, Purple Rain, may have symbolized what she calls "a new beginning. Purple, the sky at dawn; rain, the cleansing factor." The song itself grew in a late-night jam session with each band member contributing a lick, the first time Prince had let them share in creating his music. "I think the most important lesson he has learned is that people care about him," says Lisa Coleman. "He did start out alone."
On the tv-show "I Love 1985", shown on BBC Two on 24 February 2001, Wendy said something along these lines: "it was just a bunch of chords Prince had lying around until Wendy came up with the intro, and then it all glued and we knew we were on to something big".
In one of the documentaries on the "Special Edition" DVD of Purple Rain, Wendy and/or Lisa said that they had come up with the chord progression and a melody, and Prince re-wrote the lyrics around their melody and chords and didnt give them co-writing credit.
The July 2009 issue of Spin magazine celebrated the 25th anniversary of Purple Rain, and contained the following on page 57:
Melvoin: "[For the title song] Prince came in with the melody and the words and an idea of what the verses were like. I came up with the opening chords, and everybody started playing their parts." © Bart Van Hemelen
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Aha, so W&L didn't contribute to PR because Prince's music had already crossed over. In what universe do you regard these two things as connected to each other? © Bart Van Hemelen
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This is a quote from a 1998 interview with Wendy & Lisa:
Wendy: Prince always wanted money and control, period. Lisa and I wrote "Purple Rain." We came to rehearsal with the melody and the idea, and then over the next two days everyone worked on it and fleshed it out. But for "Computer Blue," we just contributed a keyboard line. That's writing? You just never knew what [credit] he would give you. He just wanted absolute power in every way, and we were too much for him. That's why he fired us. © Bart Van Hemelen
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Just because he put that instrumental together and gave to Stevie doesn't mean Wendy & Lisa didn't assist in it's creation. Your statement doesn't say anything. We don't even know what form the music was in when she got it. Wendy & Lisa were allowed to pull alot of instrumentals and tracks out of the 'vault' for rework. Songs that became almost totally different.
Anyone who thinks they wrote the song based on the movie aren't to swift anyway. And even in the movie they composed music that became 'Purple Rain' it wasn't until the band followed Prince's lead and his added lyrics that it became Purple Rain. | |
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Lisa did the string work/orchestra on the song, that ending of strings is also Lisa Coleman | |
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Actually according to Lisa that song was a lot of the Revolution, the opening guitar screeching is Wendy
And the opening lines those 2 just came up with during one of those late night rehearsals | |
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Are you being sarcastic? It's not based on true events. It uses true locations and personalities that Prince either was actually around or hired specifically for the project.
Wendy and Lisa's musical style is quite apparent on their solo stuff. As is Prince's through his own output.
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Nice
I believe Power Fantastic happened the same way. It was a composition initially by Lisa Coleman and Prince added the lyrics. The Revolution came up with their parts and the rest is history. | |
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The W&L quoutes are confusing. One sayin that P came up with the melody and chords and this one says that they should be credited.
I believe that Prince has not credited them and other collaborators/band members on many songs, because he is a control freak. Now some poeple are pissed of about not recieving royalties. I can understand that, but I think that Prince controled his output a lot and I believe in that we will never know how these songse were actually recorder. Maybe if Prince, engineers and The Revolution all would discuss this in one book or interview.
It will not change anything for me, if Prince's output was smaller on PR song. 99,5% people don't care either that Thriller wasn't written by MJ or that I will Always love you was not written by Whitney - but these song will be forever seen as the signature songs of those artists. | |
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Prince will deny it of course.
That would have one good option--not to hear the song every tour. All you others say Hell Yea!! | |
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It sounds like it could be that Wendy came up with the idea of striking the chords, solo, as the beginning moments of the song, and that has steamrolled into her coming up with the chord progression. My art book: http://www.lulu.com/spotl...ecomicskid
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Hey angry man, bitter billy, cut the dramatics and chill. I actually meant to respond to Kool's thread about W&L being responsible for his music crossing over, which I don't believe they were responsible for that, as his music crossed over before W&L joined the band. Speaking of universe, I wonder which one you're from? What is real strange about you is that you obsessively speak about Prince and his music with such bitterness and disgust, yet it seems you spend a massive amount of your time, dedicated to discussing him and researching his life and music. What's the matter? Too proud to admit you have love for him and can't let go...right? | |
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Prince's music crossed over before W&L joined the band? You're wrong. Lisa joined the band in 1980, prior to Prince's music crossing over, and Wendy was on tour with them as early as 1981 (but who knows if it was earlier or longer depending on how open they were about their relationship with Prince).
While Prince may have -wanted- to cross over, he did not cross over without W&L.
Furthermore, people who defend the idea that Prince truly came up with the Revolution records by himself are in denial. There are numerous accounts of the true facts spread not only in this thread above. | |
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Get over it. He crossed over before W&L, you are in denial. | |
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Show me proof of that.
Edit: Neither Prince nor For You were crossover successes. "I Wanna Be Your Lover" topped off at #11 on the Billboard hot 100. It was the only single to be successful until the 1999 album.
So, in order for this to fit YOUR dream, IWBYL's top 11 charting would mean he had crossed over. Odd that he seemingly crossed over and then went right back to the black audience with his next 2 albums.
Riiiiight. [Edited 8/25/11 7:06am] | |
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Thank you, both Bart and OF4S!! You're saying exactly what I was saying in my post above. As much as these fams claim that we say W&L are responsible for Prince's success (which NO ONE has ever said; only that they were a part of his overall global success at that time), they're completely on the other side of the spectrum and say everything he ever did was ALL because of him and anyone around him at the time was just along for the ride (as evidenced by Kcool's statement earlier)! | |
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