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Reply #30 posted 08/24/11 11:33pm

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I seem to remember a video clip of Stevie Nicks outside a Musicology gig getting quite emotional about the experience.

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Fuck the funk - it's time to ditch the worn-out Vegas horns fills, pick up the geee-tar and finally ROCK THE MUTHA-FUCKER!! He hinted at this on Chaos, now it's time to step up and fully DELIVER!!
woot!
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Reply #31 posted 08/25/11 12:19am

SpookyElektrix

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PippiL said:

...Whoa, seriously? eek

The Gold Experience?!! That's one of the most epic things Prince has ever done.

*clutches the pearls*

You gotta be Joking! Epicl Fail more like... hyped TGE about it never being released, with that much hype, it better be a banger of an album..

So he gives us the Beautiful Experience feature-length video which includes "Days Of Wild" and "acknowledge Me" - arguably the most powerful tracks from that feature - only for it to NOT be released on TGE - what a gyp, had to wait for his greatest misses (and to some, greatest fail) "Crystal Ball" for anything to surface....

Why does everybody like Days of wild? Sounds like a wack ass rap with some rock/funk vibe. Something like RHCP but wacker. Acknowledge me sounds like a crappy new jack swing song with no so great cheap production.

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Reply #32 posted 08/25/11 12:52am

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SpookyElektrix said:

Why does everybody like Days of wild? Sounds like a wack ass rap with some rock/funk vibe. Something like RHCP but wacker. Acknowledge me sounds like a crappy new jack swing song with no so great cheap production.

"Something like RHCP but wacker" gave me a hearty laugh.

"Days of Wild" & "Acknowledge Me" were good live -- at that time. As with most rap from that time period, it didn't stand the test of time. Most of us that were fans long before those songs were written, became fans of the live version of the song first. Kind of like "Come." "Come" is great on the DNA Lounge aftershow from 1993. Far superior to the version that was released by Warner in 1994, the version on "The Beautiful Experience," etc. "Days of Wild" (Glam Slam West 4/26/94) crushes the demo and the version on "Crystal Ball." "Acknowledge Me" sounded great live (again, back then -- doesn't stand the test of time), but suffered once it was released with an addition of one of the worst attempts at rap lyrics that Prince has ever recorded. I can't recall off the top of my head because I haven't heard it in around ten years. And I can't be bothered to go find it on dtt-lyrics because I don't want to be reminded of how lame it is.

As for tRC, fuck that album. There are a handful of great songs musically, but they are ruined with his religious bullshit.

But haters of those that don't like 75-90% of tGE, the preachiness of tRC, and *anything* some guest rapper has ruined -- even Prince doesn't care for that material. When was the last time Prince played something from tRC at a concert? ONA tour? How about anything from tGE other than "Shhh"? Oh wait, I think he's been playing Endorphinmachine again lately. So yeah, two songs from tGE.

Just sayin'...

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Reply #33 posted 08/25/11 1:10am

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So this puts to rest, the over 25 year claim that Wendy & Lisa help write that song. Finally this discredits that The Revolution is responsible for Prince's crossover success & therefore wouldn't have been a superstar.......Thx Stevie.....Ok Wendy & Lisa groupies!

Dude, pur-lease. That instrumental could just as easily have been partly W&L's work. As if Nicks would know anything about that.

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Reply #34 posted 08/25/11 1:14am

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ufoclub said:

Did people think Wendy and Lisa helped write the song because of the script of the movie?

The script was based on true events.

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Reply #35 posted 08/25/11 1:43am

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ufoclub said:

Did people think Wendy and Lisa helped write the song because of the script of the movie?

The script was based on true events.

Very, very loosely based on true events. Wendy and Lisa did not write Purple Rain

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Reply #36 posted 08/25/11 2:11am

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that is very positive, and something new...Prince's history and collaboration w/ other artists extends through 3 decades...let's hope others also share Princely treats with us

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Reply #37 posted 08/25/11 2:23am

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KCOOLMUZIQ said:

asg said:

http://www.startribune.co...=2&c=y

So this puts to rest, the over 25 year claim that Wendy & Lisa help write that song. Finally this discredits that The Revolution is responsible for Prince's crossover success & therefore wouldn't have been a superstar.......Thx Stevie.....Ok Wendy & Lisa groupies!

Please. There was absolutely NO reason to bring Lisa and Wendy up, let alone downplay their contributions to his/their success. They worked on a lot of songs back then, including this one. Was it a co-write? I doubt it, and I don't know that too many people (outside of casual folk who only know Prince for Purple Rain, the album and film) even believe that they did.

Either way, there was no reason for you to undermine their contributions to his music in this thread. You just wanted to start something.

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Reply #38 posted 08/25/11 2:37am

SpookyElektrix

suomynona said:

SpookyElektrix said:

Why does everybody like Days of wild? Sounds like a wack ass rap with some rock/funk vibe. Something like RHCP but wacker. Acknowledge me sounds like a crappy new jack swing song with no so great cheap production.

"Something like RHCP but wacker" gave me a hearty laugh.

"Days of Wild" & "Acknowledge Me" were good live -- at that time. As with most rap from that time period, it didn't stand the test of time. Most of us that were fans long before those songs were written, became fans of the live version of the song first. Kind of like "Come." "Come" is great on the DNA Lounge aftershow from 1993. Far superior to the version that was released by Warner in 1994, the version on "The Beautiful Experience," etc. "Days of Wild" (Glam Slam West 4/26/94) crushes the demo and the version on "Crystal Ball." "Acknowledge Me" sounded great live (again, back then -- doesn't stand the test of time), but suffered once it was released with an addition of one of the worst attempts at rap lyrics that Prince has ever recorded. I can't recall off the top of my head because I haven't heard it in around ten years. And I can't be bothered to go find it on dtt-lyrics because I don't want to be reminded of how lame it is.

As for tRC, fuck that album. There are a handful of great songs musically, but they are ruined with his religious bullshit.

But haters of those that don't like 75-90% of tGE, the preachiness of tRC, and *anything* some guest rapper has ruined -- even Prince doesn't care for that material. When was the last time Prince played something from tRC at a concert? ONA tour? How about anything from tGE other than "Shhh"? Oh wait, I think he's been playing Endorphinmachine again lately. So yeah, two songs from tGE.

Just sayin'...

Well when it came out both allready sounded wack and somewhat dated. I think all the songs on TGE are better then those 2.

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Reply #39 posted 08/25/11 2:44am

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Timmy84 said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

So this puts to rest, the over 25 year claim that Wendy & Lisa help write that song. Finally this discredits that The Revolution is responsible for Prince's crossover success & therefore wouldn't have been a superstar.......Thx Stevie.....Ok Wendy & Lisa groupies!

Hold up, hold up. Someone was saying Wendy & Lisa co-wrote it?! HUH!?

Wendy & Lisa said themselves that they didn't write it but they helped. They said Prince had an original demo with very simple chords and that Wendy changed the chords a bit so they became the opening guitar chord sequence,

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Reply #40 posted 08/25/11 2:54am

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The "Stand Back" recording session took place in early January 1983, while "Purple Rain" was recorded live on 3 August 1983 at First Avenue, at the Minnesota Dance Theatre benefit concert. (Incidentally, this was Wendy Melvoin's first concert as a member of Prince's band The Revolution -- she was a mere nineteen years old.) Per Nilsen's excellent Prince biography DanceMusicSexRomance -- Prince: The First Decade has got some more information about the title track:

Bobby "Z" Rivkin remembers hearing Prince playing the chord changes of the song during a rehearsal in Cincinatti in December 1982: "It was so different. It was almost country. It was almost rock. It was almost gospel." Matt Fink believes "Purple Rain" was influenced by Bob Seger, "I told Prince to do a song like that. When we were out on the 1999 tour, Bob Seger was shadowing us, playing everywhere we went. Prince said, 'I don't understand the appeal of that stuff.' I go, 'It's like country-rock, it's white music. You should write a ballad like Bob Seger writes and you'll cross right over.' And he did!"

Little else is known about the genesis of one of Prince's signature songs, although Wendy Melvoin claims the ...s involved:

According to Wendy Melvoin, the title track for the movie was truly a collaborative effort. Prince came in with the melody and the words and an "idea" of what the verses would be like. She played the opening chords, and everyone in The Revolution chipped in from there.
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Reply #41 posted 08/25/11 4:42am

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PippiL said:

V10LETBLUES said:

Now I know who to blame. I hate that album with a passion only eclipsed by TRC

[Edited 8/23/11 21:07pm]

...Whoa, seriously? eek

The Gold Experience?!! That's one of the most epic things Prince has ever done.

*clutches the pearls*

I think stupid music, lyrics and attitude can be charming, like most pop music. But these two albums stand out in that they wear their stupidity cockily on their sleeve. Stupid, arrogant and ignorant all in their own package.

People can play down the stupidity of the lyrics, (which I can), the unoriginality of the music (which I can) The cockiness (yeah)....but there is something so cringe-worthy about the total sum of their parts that I just cannot stand. But that's' just me. (and apparently most of the record buying public)

But back to "Stand Back" most everything he did in that era was so great. He was on a roll. Most everything he wrote in the 80's has an that certain something that still resonates 30 years later.

His 90's work was immediately forgettable. Hopefully immediately forgettable. Some of his 90's work you needed to scrub out of your ears.

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Reply #42 posted 08/25/11 5:01am

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ufoclub said:

Did people think Wendy and Lisa helped write the song because of the script of the movie?


Yes, some sure did/still believe that, but his music crossed over before w&l became part of his band.
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Reply #43 posted 08/25/11 5:11am

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The 19 November 1984 issue of People magazine contained the following:

"Friendship, real friendship, that's all that counts," Prince once said wistfully, admitting, "I would like to be a more loving person." Keyboard player Wendy Melvoin of the Revolution believes that Prince is changing: "There's a willingness to accept new things." The title of his file, Purple Rain, may have symbolized what she calls "a new beginning. Purple, the sky at dawn; rain, the cleansing factor." The song itself grew in a late-night jam session with each band member contributing a lick, the first time Prince had let them share in creating his music. "I think the most important lesson he has learned is that people care about him," says Lisa Coleman. "He did start out alone."

On the tv-show "I Love 1985", shown on BBC Two on 24 February 2001, Wendy said something along these lines: "it was just a bunch of chords Prince had lying around until Wendy came up with the intro, and then it all glued and we knew we were on to something big".

In one of the documentaries on the "Special Edition" DVD of Purple Rain, Wendy and/or Lisa said that they had come up with the chord progression and a melody, and Prince re-wrote the lyrics around their melody and chords and didnt give them co-writing credit.

The July 2009 issue of Spin magazine celebrated the 25th anniversary of Purple Rain, and contained the following on page 57:

Melvoin: "[For the title song] Prince came in with the melody and the words and an idea of what the verses were like. I came up with the opening chords, and everybody started playing their parts."

Bobby Z.: "My first reaction was, 'Wow, this is almost a country song.' It had a different feel than anything we'd been rehearsing for the rest of the album. I realize now it was probably, in his mind, the centerpiece of the story. But that's Prince — his ability to thread the needle, so to speak."

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Reply #44 posted 08/25/11 5:13am

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2elijah said:

ufoclub said:

Did people think Wendy and Lisa helped write the song because of the script of the movie?

Yes, some sure did/still believe that, but his music crossed over before w&l became part of his band.

Aha, so W&L didn't contribute to PR because Prince's music had already crossed over. In what universe do you regard these two things as connected to each other?

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Reply #45 posted 08/25/11 5:24am

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This is a quote from a 1998 interview with Wendy & Lisa:

Wendy: Prince always wanted money and control, period. Lisa and I wrote "Purple Rain." We came to rehearsal with the melody and the idea, and then over the next two days everyone worked on it and fleshed it out. But for "Computer Blue," we just contributed a keyboard line. That's writing? You just never knew what [credit] he would give you. He just wanted absolute power in every way, and we were too much for him. That's why he fired us.
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Reply #46 posted 08/25/11 5:40am

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KCOOLMUZIQ said:

asg said:

http://www.startribune.co...=2&c=y

This summer, Stevie Nicks was invited to sing on TV's "America's Got Talent" and "The Voice." This month, she joined Jeff Bridges and John Fogerty at a benefit for wounded soldiers in Sturgis, S.D. In May, her Fleetwood Mac songs were featured on a "Glee" episode.

Why is the witchy woman so suddenly in demand?

It probably has a lot to do with "In Your Dreams," her first solo album in 10 years and her best since 1981's "Bella Donna."

"I have to tip my top hat to Dave Stewart" of Eurythmics, she said, who produced the album. "I think the seven songs that he and I wrote together mixed in with the five songs that I wrote by myself made for a much more interesting and diversified record," said Nicks, who performs Wednesday at Mystic Lake Casino amphitheater.

As a musician, Nicks, 63, knows she's limited. She didn't expect to be writing with Stewart but she sent him 40 pages of poetry. He came to her house and said, "Let's do this one."

Recalled Nicks: "In my head, I'm like, 'You don't think we're really going to sit in this room and write a song together, 'cause I don't do that.' But he was so kind and so sweet and no ego, and we just started playing, and in 15 minutes we finished 'You May Be the One.'

"Suddenly, I had an epiphany. Wow! That worked. And this is a really great song with no grief. I don't feel punished or like something was taken away from me. I don't miss spending two months sitting at my piano in tears."

One of her own songs on "In Your Dreams" actually dates back to Fleetwood Mac's "Rumours" days in the mid-1970s. She knew she had "Secret Love" on a cassette somewhere but couldn't find it. Then her assistant discovered it on YouTube. It turns out that Nicks had actually recorded it for "Bella Donna" but never released it. Keyboardist Benmont Tench, the musical director for that album, was the only person to remember it.

"Ben told me that the other day," Nicks said. "Now my whole story about having no idea [what happened to the song] has gone to hell in a handbag. I remember we recorded a lot of songs for 'Bella Donna'; I just did not remember that."

Another new song has an old connection. "Moonlight (A Vampire's Dream)" was inspired by Nicks seeing the movie "Twilight Saga: New Moon" in 2009. When she went to make a video of it this year, she grabbed a dress out of her closet that she'd worn to the 1984 premiere of Prince's "Purple Rain" in Hollywood.

"My friend's daughter is playing violin on that [video] and I pulled that dress out for her to wear. It's been hanging in my closet. It's like a year younger than the girl who wears it in the video."

Purple connection

Back in the early 1980s, Nicks and Prince were friends and musical collaborators. One day when she was driving in Los Angeles, she started humming along to his "Little Red Corvette" on the radio and pulled over to write down words she was composing. When she went to record the song a few hours later, she called Prince.

"Don't even ask me how I found his number but I did. I told him: 'I'm recording this song and I wrote it to "Little Red Corvette" and I'm giving you 50 percent of it and I want to know if you'd like to come play on it on one of the next three nights.' He was there in an hour, and he was there for about an hour and a half. And we became friends."

That song, "Stand Back," became a big hit in 1983. She asked Prince if they could someday write a song together. So he sent her a cassette of a long instrumental track and invited her to pen lyrics.

"It was so overwhelming, that 10-minute track, that I listened to it and I just got scared," Nicks remembered. "I called him back and said, 'I can't do it. I wish I could. It's too much for me.' I'm so glad that I didn't, because he wrote it, and it became 'Purple Rain.'"

Buckingham Nicks redux

Nicks is better known for her relationship with Lindsey Buckingham, her musical and romantic partner in the duo Buckingham Nicks since their college days at San Jose State. They joined Fleetwood Mac in late 1974 but split up romantically a couple years later. Of course, they've continued to work together on-and-off in that Rock Hall of Fame band. He joined her for one tune on the new album, "Soldier's Angel."

"It was as close to the Buckingham Nicks years as we have been since Buckingham Nicks," Nicks said. "For Lindsey and I, that opened up the possibility of a new chapter. We certainly can still do it. And we did it well and it wasn't a lot of work. Lindsey and I are very happy with each other right now."

Would they do a duo tour?

"It's an absolute possibility. A lot of wounds were healed with 'Soldier's Angel.' It's about the war and these injured kids. It was a very kind of spiritual and holy thing."

What's the status of Fleetwood Mac?


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So this puts to rest, the over 25 year claim that Wendy & Lisa help write that song. Finally this discredits that The Revolution is responsible for Prince's crossover success & therefore wouldn't have been a superstar.......Thx Stevie.....Ok Wendy & Lisa groupies!

Just because he put that instrumental together and gave to Stevie doesn't mean Wendy & Lisa didn't assist in it's creation. Your statement doesn't say anything. We don't even know what form the music was in when she got it. Wendy & Lisa were allowed to pull alot of instrumentals and tracks out of the 'vault' for rework. Songs that became almost totally different.

Anyone who thinks they wrote the song based on the movie aren't to swift anyway. And even in the movie they composed music that became 'Purple Rain' it wasn't until the band followed Prince's lead and his added lyrics that it became Purple Rain.

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Reply #47 posted 08/25/11 5:41am

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muirdo said:

I seem to remember a video clip of Stevie Nicks outside a Musicology gig getting quite emotional about the experience.

pat

I loved that clip.

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Reply #48 posted 08/25/11 5:46am

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chopingard said:

Timmy84 said:

Hold up, hold up. Someone was saying Wendy & Lisa co-wrote it?! HUH!?

Wendy & Lisa said themselves that they didn't write it but they helped. They said Prince had an original demo with very simple chords and that Wendy changed the chords a bit so they became the opening guitar chord sequence,

Lisa did the string work/orchestra on the song, that ending of strings is also Lisa Coleman

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Reply #49 posted 08/25/11 5:48am

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BartVanHemelen said:

This is a quote from a 1998 interview with Wendy & Lisa:

Wendy: Prince always wanted money and control, period. Lisa and I wrote "Purple Rain." We came to rehearsal with the melody and the idea, and then over the next two days everyone worked on it and fleshed it out. But for "Computer Blue," we just contributed a keyboard line. That's writing? You just never knew what [credit] he would give you. He just wanted absolute power in every way, and we were too much for him. That's why he fired us.

Actually according to Lisa that song was a lot of the Revolution,

the opening guitar screeching is Wendy

And the opening lines those 2 just came up with during one of those late night rehearsals

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Reply #50 posted 08/25/11 5:49am

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BartVanHemelen said:

ufoclub said:

Did people think Wendy and Lisa helped write the song because of the script of the movie?

The script was based on true events.

Are you being sarcastic? It's not based on true events. It uses true locations and personalities that Prince either was actually around or hired specifically for the project.

Wendy and Lisa's musical style is quite apparent on their solo stuff. As is Prince's through his own output.

What aspect(s) of the film did you think was(were) true?

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Reply #51 posted 08/25/11 5:51am

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BartVanHemelen said:

The 19 November 1984 issue of People magazine contained the following:

"Friendship, real friendship, that's all that counts," Prince once said wistfully, admitting, "I would like to be a more loving person." Keyboard player Wendy Melvoin of the Revolution believes that Prince is changing: "There's a willingness to accept new things." The title of his file, Purple Rain, may have symbolized what she calls "a new beginning. Purple, the sky at dawn; rain, the cleansing factor." The song itself grew in a late-night jam session with each band member contributing a lick, the first time Prince had let them share in creating his music. "I think the most important lesson he has learned is that people care about him," says Lisa Coleman. "He did start out alone."

On the tv-show "I Love 1985", shown on BBC Two on 24 February 2001, Wendy said something along these lines: "it was just a bunch of chords Prince had lying around until Wendy came up with the intro, and then it all glued and we knew we were on to something big".

In one of the documentaries on the "Special Edition" DVD of Purple Rain, Wendy and/or Lisa said that they had come up with the chord progression and a melody, and Prince re-wrote the lyrics around their melody and chords and didnt give them co-writing credit.

The July 2009 issue of Spin magazine celebrated the 25th anniversary of Purple Rain, and contained the following on page 57:

Melvoin: "[For the title song] Prince came in with the melody and the words and an idea of what the verses were like. I came up with the opening chords, and everybody started playing their parts."

Bobby Z.: "My first reaction was, 'Wow, this is almost a country song.' It had a different feel than anything we'd been rehearsing for the rest of the album. I realize now it was probably, in his mind, the centerpiece of the story. But that's Prince — his ability to thread the needle, so to speak."

Nice

I believe Power Fantastic happened the same way. It was a composition initially by Lisa Coleman and Prince added the lyrics. The Revolution came up with their parts and the rest is history.

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Reply #52 posted 08/25/11 5:54am

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BartVanHemelen said:

This is a quote from a 1998 interview with Wendy & Lisa:

Wendy: Prince always wanted money and control, period. Lisa and I wrote "Purple Rain." We came to rehearsal with the melody and the idea, and then over the next two days everyone worked on it and fleshed it out. But for "Computer Blue," we just contributed a keyboard line. That's writing? You just never knew what [credit] he would give you. He just wanted absolute power in every way, and we were too much for him. That's why he fired us.

The W&L quoutes are confusing. One sayin that P came up with the melody and chords and this one says that they should be credited.

I believe that Prince has not credited them and other collaborators/band members on many songs, because he is a control freak. Now some poeple are pissed of about not recieving royalties. I can understand that, but I think that Prince controled his output a lot and I believe in that we will never know how these songse were actually recorder. Maybe if Prince, engineers and The Revolution all would discuss this in one book or interview.

It will not change anything for me, if Prince's output was smaller on PR song. 99,5% people don't care either that Thriller wasn't written by MJ or that I will Always love you was not written by Whitney - but these song will be forever seen as the signature songs of those artists.

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Reply #53 posted 08/25/11 6:29am

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Prince will deny it of course.

That would have one good option--not to hear the song every tour.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #54 posted 08/25/11 6:31am

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Prints said:

BartVanHemelen said:

This is a quote from a 1998 interview with Wendy & Lisa:

The W&L quoutes are confusing. One sayin that P came up with the melody and chords and this one says that they should be credited.

I believe that Prince has not credited them and other collaborators/band members on many songs, because he is a control freak. Now some poeple are pissed of about not recieving royalties. I can understand that, but I think that Prince controled his output a lot and I believe in that we will never know how these songse were actually recorder. Maybe if Prince, engineers and The Revolution all would discuss this in one book or interview.

It will not change anything for me, if Prince's output was smaller on PR song. 99,5% people don't care either that Thriller wasn't written by MJ or that I will Always love you was not written by Whitney - but these song will be forever seen as the signature songs of those artists.

It sounds like it could be that Wendy came up with the idea of striking the chords, solo, as the beginning moments of the song, and that has steamrolled into her coming up with the chord progression.

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Reply #55 posted 08/25/11 6:44am

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BartVanHemelen said:

2elijah said:

ufoclub said: Yes, some sure did/still believe that, but his music crossed over before w&l became part of his band.

Aha, so W&L didn't contribute to PR because Prince's music had already crossed over. In what universe do you regard these two things as connected to each other?

timeout Hey angry man, bitter billy, cut the dramatics and chill. I actually meant to respond to Kool's thread about W&L being responsible for his music crossing over, which I don't believe they were responsible for that, as his music crossed over before W&L joined the band. Speaking of universe, I wonder which one you're from? What is real strange about you is that you obsessively speak about Prince and his music with such bitterness and disgust, yet it seems you spend a massive amount of your time, dedicated to discussing him and researching his life and music. What's the matter? Too proud to admit you have love for him and can't let go...right? popcorn

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Reply #56 posted 08/25/11 6:50am

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2elijah said:

BartVanHemelen said:

Aha, so W&L didn't contribute to PR because Prince's music had already crossed over. In what universe do you regard these two things as connected to each other?

timeout Hey angry man, bitter billy, cut the dramatics and chill. I actually meant to respond to Kool's thread about W&L being responsible for his music crossing over, which I don't believe they were responsible for that, as his music crossed over before W&L joined the band. Speaking of universe, I wonder which one you're from? What is real strange about you is that you obsessively speak about Prince and his music with such bitterness and disgust, yet it seems you spend a massive amount of your time, dedicated to discussing him and researching his life and music. What's the matter? Too proud to admit you have love for him and can't let go...right? popcorn

Prince's music crossed over before W&L joined the band? You're wrong. Lisa joined the band in 1980, prior to Prince's music crossing over, and Wendy was on tour with them as early as 1981 (but who knows if it was earlier or longer depending on how open they were about their relationship with Prince).

While Prince may have -wanted- to cross over, he did not cross over without W&L.

Furthermore, people who defend the idea that Prince truly came up with the Revolution records by himself are in denial. There are numerous accounts of the true facts spread not only in this thread above.

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Reply #57 posted 08/25/11 6:57am

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Spinlight said:

2elijah said:

timeout Hey angry man, bitter billy, cut the dramatics and chill. I actually meant to respond to Kool's thread about W&L being responsible for his music crossing over, which I don't believe they were responsible for that, as his music crossed over before W&L joined the band. Speaking of universe, I wonder which one you're from? What is real strange about you is that you obsessively speak about Prince and his music with such bitterness and disgust, yet it seems you spend a massive amount of your time, dedicated to discussing him and researching his life and music. What's the matter? Too proud to admit you have love for him and can't let go...right? popcorn

Prince's music crossed over before W&L joined the band? You're wrong. Lisa joined the band in 1980, prior to Prince's music crossing over, and Wendy was on tour with them as early as 1981 (but who knows if it was earlier or longer depending on how open they were about their relationship with Prince).

While Prince may have -wanted- to cross over, he did not cross over without W&L.

Furthermore, people who defend the idea that Prince truly came up with the Revolution records by himself are in denial. There are numerous accounts of the true facts spread not only in this thread above.

Get over it. He crossed over before W&L, you are in denial. comfort

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Reply #58 posted 08/25/11 7:02am

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2elijah said:

Spinlight said:

Prince's music crossed over before W&L joined the band? You're wrong. Lisa joined the band in 1980, prior to Prince's music crossing over, and Wendy was on tour with them as early as 1981 (but who knows if it was earlier or longer depending on how open they were about their relationship with Prince).

While Prince may have -wanted- to cross over, he did not cross over without W&L.

Furthermore, people who defend the idea that Prince truly came up with the Revolution records by himself are in denial. There are numerous accounts of the true facts spread not only in this thread above.

Get over it. He crossed over before W&L, you are in denial. comfort

Show me proof of that.

Edit: Neither Prince nor For You were crossover successes. "I Wanna Be Your Lover" topped off at #11 on the Billboard hot 100. It was the only single to be successful until the 1999 album.

So, in order for this to fit YOUR dream, IWBYL's top 11 charting would mean he had crossed over. Odd that he seemingly crossed over and then went right back to the black audience with his next 2 albums.

Riiiiight.

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Reply #59 posted 08/25/11 7:13am

alexnvrmnd777

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BartVanHemelen said:

The 19 November 1984 issue of People magazine contained the following:

Nice

I believe Power Fantastic happened the same way. It was a composition initially by Lisa Coleman and Prince added the lyrics. The Revolution came up with their parts and the rest is history.

Thank you, both Bart and OF4S!! You're saying exactly what I was saying in my post above. As much as these fams claim that we say W&L are responsible for Prince's success (which NO ONE has ever said; only that they were a part of his overall global success at that time), they're completely on the other side of the spectrum and say everything he ever did was ALL because of him and anyone around him at the time was just along for the ride (as evidenced by Kcool's statement earlier)! disbelief

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