TylerHippie said:

I'm not talking about Prince Rogers Nelson, I'm talkig about Prince, the artist and performer.

I think we all agree that Prince borrowed, or some may say stole a lot from these two. Honestly, I see James Brown more than Jimi. Actually, when I think about it, it looks like Prince admired Jimi looks and admired James antics/moves, and put his Prince edge to it. Every artist has borrowed from another artist, Prince just chose the two greatest in my opinion. Not a bad choice.

I think everyone could see James and Jimi inspirations at the best during the Purple Rain Tour. He even got more James Brown inspirations during the Parade Tour.

But if there were no Jimi or James, would we have had the Prince of 1980-2009?

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why 1980-2009?

BobGeorge909 said:

TylerHippie said:

I'm not talking about Prince Rogers Nelson, I'm talkig about Prince, the artist and performer.

I think we all agree that Prince borrowed, or some may say stole a lot from these two. Honestly, I see James Brown more than Jimi. Actually, when I think about it, it looks like Prince admired Jimi looks and admired James antics/moves, and put his Prince edge to it. Every artist has borrowed from another artist, Prince just chose the two greatest in my opinion. Not a bad choice.

I think everyone could see James and Jimi inspirations at the best during the Purple Rain Tour. He even got more James Brown inspirations during the Parade Tour.

But if there were no Jimi or James, would we have had the Prince of 1980-2009?

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why 1980-2009?

Because Prince wasn't anything like James or Jimi in 78-79. In 2010-2011, he's more layed back and less danceable.

^ Well he was pegged as the next Stevie Wonder/Smokey Robinson during that period, duh lol

Timmy84 said:

^ Well he was pegged as the next Stevie Wonder/Smokey Robinson during that period, duh lol

I know...that's why I x'd those years out.

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-Where was i at, that I didn't see this thread?!!

-Prince is a godchild.

MyJobIz2beCute said:

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-Where was i at, that I didn't see this thread?!!

-Prince is a godchild.

More like bastard child lol but yeah all of those influences in one man, I swear like I said one time, put his influences in a blender, add a little purple and you'll get Prince lol

TylerHippie said:

BobGeorge909 said:

why 1980-2009?

Because Prince wasn't anything like James or Jimi in 78-79. In 2010-2011, he's more layed back and less danceable.

that justs sounds silly. Makes it seem like Prince ddn't know who Jimi or James were pre-80 and forgot them after '09.

U're speakin of the individuals as influences, corect? The influence of these 2 have waxed and waned over the years but they've always been there since their records were made.

I dont argu your premise or idea...What would prince have been w/o James and Jimi? I just think to put some specific time frame give is...well...silly.

BobGeorge909 said:

TylerHippie said:

Because Prince wasn't anything like James or Jimi in 78-79. In 2010-2011, he's more layed back and less danceable.

that justs sounds silly. Makes it seem like Prince ddn't know who Jimi or James were pre-80 and forgot them after '09.

U're speakin of the individuals as influences, corect? The influence of these 2 have waxed and waned over the years but they've always been there since their records were made.

I dont argu your premise or idea...What would prince have been w/o James and Jimi? I just think to put some specific time frame give is...well...silly.

Well how many Funk songs and performances have you heard and seen from 78-79?

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Timmy84 said:

MyJobIz2beCute said:

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-Where was i at, that I didn't see this thread?!!

-Prince is a godchild.

More like bastard child lol but yeah all of those influences in one man, I swear like I said one time, put his influences in a blender, add a little purple and you'll get Prince lol

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Hi Little Richard!

TylerHippie said:

BobGeorge909 said:

that justs sounds silly. Makes it seem like Prince ddn't know who Jimi or James were pre-80 and forgot them after '09.

U're speakin of the individuals as influences, corect? The influence of these 2 have waxed and waned over the years but they've always been there since their records were made.

I dont argu your premise or idea...What would prince have been w/o James and Jimi? I just think to put some specific time frame give is...well...silly.

Well how many Funk songs and performances have you heard and seen from 78-79?

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well it wasn't his entire repitoir but "in Love" and " Soft & Wet" were very funky and so were "I Feel For You" and "Sexy Dancer" and "I Wanna Be your Lover". Were they "homages"?...no...he was a new artist trying to establish his own sound. It wouldn't have been smart to do that. Later in his career is fine...his sound and image are established.

The cool thing about Prince (especially in the early 80's) was that he took the influences you've mentioned and mixed them together with new wave, 80's synth pop, punk music, and evena little rockabilly. So really, you may as well say without Gary Numan or Talking Heads, Prince would not be the same artist we got from '80 to 2009

BobGeorge909 said:

TylerHippie said:

Well how many Funk songs and performances have you heard and seen from 78-79?

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well it wasn't his entire repitoir but "in Love" and " Soft & Wet" were very funky and so were "I Feel For You" and "Sexy Dancer" and "I Wanna Be your Lover". Were they "homages"?...no...he was a new artist trying to establish his own sound. It wouldn't have been smart to do that. Later in his career is fine...his sound and image are established.

And those were the reasons why I didn't include those years. You heard a lot of Sly, Jimi and James from 1980-2009.

TylerHippie said:

BobGeorge909 said:

well it wasn't his entire repitoir but "in Love" and " Soft & Wet" were very funky and so were "I Feel For You" and "Sexy Dancer" and "I Wanna Be your Lover". Were they "homages"?...no...he was a new artist trying to establish his own sound. It wouldn't have been smart to do that. Later in his career is fine...his sound and image are established.

And those were the reasons why I didn't include those years. You heard a lot of Sly, Jimi and James from 1980-2009.

as well as the influence of any number of other artists.

in terms of albums...take out the years 85,86(Kiss was mazarati not prince) '89, '90, '94, '99(prettyman was written for the time who knows when) '03, '04.

in terms of performances...prince has played jimi and james songs since he learned how to play and was doing house parties and events for the YMCA and what not...

my point is, U cant exclude a influence as deep rooted as james and jimi for several select years of an artist's career...once it's there, it's there.

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BobGeorge909 said:

TylerHippie said:

And those were the reasons why I didn't include those years. You heard a lot of Sly, Jimi and James from 1980-2009.

as well as the influence of any number of other artists.

in terms of albums...take out the years 85,86(Kiss was mazarati not prince) '89, '90, '94, '99(prettyman was written for the time who knows when) '03, '04.

in terms of performances...prince has played jimi and james songs since he learned how to play and was doing house parties and events for the YMCA and what not...

my point is, U cant exclude a influence as deep rooted as james and jimi for several select years of an artist's career...once it's there, it's there.

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1.I know that.I named those artist because we could obviously see the influence during those times. Of course he had other influences.

2. I'd keep 85 and 86 in. Simply because Prince showed his Jimi influence on "Temptation", and a James influence with "Kiss".

3. But do you know if those performances were like the ones from 1980-2009? I doubt it.

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TylerHippie said:

BobGeorge909 said:

as well as the influence of any number of other artists.

in terms of albums...take out the years 85,86(Kiss was mazarati not prince) '89, '90, '94, '99(prettyman was written for the time who knows when) '03, '04.

in terms of performances...prince has played jimi and james songs since he learned how to play and was doing house parties and events for the YMCA and what not...

my point is, U cant exclude a influence as deep rooted as james and jimi for several select years of an artist's career...once it's there, it's there.

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1.I know that.I named those artist because we could obviously see the influence during those times. Of course he had other influences.

2. I'd keep 85 and 86 in. Simply because Prince showed his Jimi influence on "Temptation", and a James influence with "Kiss".

3. But do you if those performances were like the ones from 1980-2009? I doubt it.

kis was WRITTEN BY MAZARATI ask ANYONE sure prince wrote it, but Mazarati WROTE WHAT U HEAR. kiss as prince wrote it was a little blues ditty...NOTHING to do with jimi OR James.

temptation s only one track and just because a song has a guiter doesn't mean jimi was a primary influence...or secondary influence

whatever dude..think whatever u want...peace.

u miss the entire point and harp on these "symantical details"...

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BobGeorge909 said:

TylerHippie said:

1.I know that.I named those artist because we could obviously see the influence during those times. Of course he had other influences.

2. I'd keep 85 and 86 in. Simply because Prince showed his Jimi influence on "Temptation", and a James influence with "Kiss".

3. But do you if those performances were like the ones from 1980-2009? I doubt it.

whatever dude..think whatever u want...peace.

u miss the entire point and harp on these "symantical details"...

I think you missed my point. Bye Bye.

MyJobIz2beCute said:

Timmy84 said:

More like bastard child lol but yeah all of those influences in one man, I swear like I said one time, put his influences in a blender, add a little purple and you'll get Prince lol

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Hi Little Richard!

Ooh my soul! Woooo!

Timmy84 said:

MyJobIz2beCute said:

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Hi Little Richard!

Ooh my soul! Woooo!

-But really though, Little Richard will never give up his crown to Prince.

-Todd Rundgren or Mike Oldfield won't either.

MyJobIz2beCute said:

Timmy84 said:

Ooh my soul! Woooo!

-But really though, Little Richard will never give up his crown to Prince.

-Todd Rundgren or Mike Oldfield won't either.

Of course not lol

Timmy84 said:

MyJobIz2beCute said:

-But really though, Little Richard will never give up his crown to Prince.

-Todd Rundgren or Mike Oldfield won't either.

Of course not lol

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-That is why, when they aren't looking, somebody gonna snatch it off of 'em!

-Call In the SECRET weapond!

-To the Bat Phone.

MyJobIz2beCute said:

Timmy84 said:

Of course not lol

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-That is why, when they aren't looking, somebody gonna snatch it off of 'em!

-Call In the SECRET weapond!

-To the Bat Phone.

BobGeorge909 said:

TylerHippie said:

Well how many Funk songs and performances have you heard and seen from 78-79?

[Edited 8/19/11 19:24pm]

well it wasn't his entire repitoir but "in Love" and " Soft & Wet" were very funky and so were "I Feel For You" and "Sexy Dancer" and "I Wanna Be your Lover". Were they "homages"?...no...he was a new artist trying to establish his own sound. It wouldn't have been smart to do that. Later in his career is fine...his sound and image are established.

Nope, What you are talking about is straight up disco music of the area. From the 4x4 drum beat on the closing high hat to the muted synths, to the gold pants, permed hair and scarves. Ain't no James Brown nowhere near that. Young Tyler was correct when limiting his scope to the years he defined. That is what we geot by way of released material, that is what we are discussing. No idea what you are trying to do. But grab a dictionay and look up the word funk as regards to a musical style. Then get back to me on that.

Yeah but disco has its origins in soul/funk/r&b which James Brown was a massive influence on, so all points are moot.

Conclusion - without JB and Jimi the WORLD of music today would be a lot different - so in that regards Prince's music would be different.

ENDS.

Dandroppedadime said:

Yeah but disco has its origins in soul/funk/r&b which James Brown was a massive influence on, so all points are moot.

Conclusion - without JB and Jimi the WORLD of music today would be a lot different - so in that regards Prince's music would be different.

ENDS.

Not talking about origins, talking about tangible influence be it audible or in structure. Because you like someone does not mean they are manifested in your work. Disco and funk existed side by side in the 70's and the relationship was not always cordial nor did they show up on the same bill. "I feel for you has ZERO" James Brown DNA on it. Later works have enough to make a clone.

leonche64 said:

BobGeorge909 said:

well it wasn't his entire repitoir but "in Love" and " Soft & Wet" were very funky and so were "I Feel For You" and "Sexy Dancer" and "I Wanna Be your Lover". Were they "homages"?...no...he was a new artist trying to establish his own sound. It wouldn't have been smart to do that. Later in his career is fine...his sound and image are established.

Nope, What you are talking about is straight up disco music of the area. From the 4x4 drum beat on the closing high hat to the muted synths, to the gold pants, permed hair and scarves. Ain't no James Brown nowhere near that. Young Tyler was correct when limiting his scope to the years he defined. That is what we geot by way of released material, that is what we are discussing. No idea what you are trying to do. But grab a dictionay and look up the word funk as regards to a musical style. Then get back to me on that.

it's not the be all and end all..but they're both in the funk AND diso genere's in Wiki ....

there are punk bands influenced heavily by joni mitchel....do they sound like Joni? There are easy listening artist influenced by AC/DC...do they sound like AC/DC?

James and & Jimi's sounds r so indelible, one can't just simply excise them out of select years in a musicians career. Even an specific attemt to NOT someone like someone is a solid for of influence.

It's like saying honey didn't have an influence on some "selecet few" dessert dishes because honey isnt in them. Honey was the first and most common sweetner in the human tool belt befere we were aware of sugarcane. Honey piqued our sweet tooth and had us all on the hunt.

my main piont, i suppose, is that P's first 2 records would have been just as different as all the rest of his records(along with the whole of the musical soundscape at the time, had James and jimi never been on a stage.

-This thread is like, a mathamatical blast!

-No for real it is.

-I am really studying this question of the thread starter or Th.S. or tylerhippie who is not a 'hipster,' btw, so going into notes I have taken through out this field in study, I take what Miles Davis said about the composit.

-That Prince is: James Brown, Jimi Hendrix, Marvin Gaye and Charlie Chaplin, and yes, in that order.

-So that means, if I skip through all the technical junk:

-Prince is

50% Sly Stone

12% James brown

12% Jimi Hendrix

12% Marvin Gaye

12% Charlie Chaplin

-May the Heavens pour down today here where I am at, if, I start to really think about Prince w/o this people in his life.

prince is better than any 1 of them.

i think he would have inspired them.

listen 2 album 1999. for proof no influence of either in that album, music at its best.

millwall said:

prince is better than any 1 of them.

i think he would have inspired them.

listen 2 album 1999. for proof no influence of either in that album, music at its best.

better than Jimi Hendrix?

paniuroczy said:

millwall said:

prince is better than any 1 of them.

i think he would have inspired them.

listen 2 album 1999. for proof no influence of either in that album, music at its best.

better than Jimi Hendrix?

yes bro my opinion.

sorry 2 piss u off.

iron maiden better than the lot.

millwall said:

paniuroczy said:

better than Jimi Hendrix?

yes bro my opinion.

sorry 2 piss u off.

iron maiden better than the lot.