I honestly think that had he not have fucked about over the years and actually did what he said he'd do he would not get half as much hate as he does. So you think then that if he actually gave 10 cd's worth of vault material like it was rumoured through the whold lotusfukkup fiasco, or 20ten:deluxe (!) had actually been released or just actually releasing proper album/singles/videos like a normal artsit does he would still get the same amount hate? I don't think so. She Believed in Fairytales and Princes, He Believed the voices coming from his stereo
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Complaining things about he's work from last 2 decades. IF you honestly say U saw NO ONE saying he's 80's work was the only thing worth listening to, and the rest is mediocre or shit, you're lying. And there's been a THREAD about his new album by dr.funkenberry (turned out to be a misunderstanding), and people HAVE made jokes about how shitty that album will be, without giving it a listen.
What's funny to me is that you're defending some fans even though you don't even know what they have been truly saying. U just think what they're saying is expressing their own opinion even though there have been many occasion where they were simply "mocking" Prince and not give out valid criticism. Well, excuse me for not being like you. I'm not interested in being a kiss ass to old overly sarcastic fans constant negativity. [Edited 8/1/11 7:01am] | |
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Been a fan since 82 and I couldn't get specific with #6, don't care about #9 and #8 is just wackadoo! Other than that, fine list...
I'd add: purchased exclusive material from his websites & 1800NEWFUNK record every appearance on tv
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1. I've been a member on this site for 2 months, and I never heard one complaint about his 90's stuff. 2. Exactly, jokes! People jocked about Batman, and people love it on the org. 3. I actually know what they have been saying. They're saying how he's playing the same songs over and over in concert, he's lazy, he's boring etc... I actually agree with the first one. But that doesn't mean I still want look at the show. I look at it because he's my favorite artist, and I'm going to support him no matter what. 4. And I'm pretty glad your not like me. | |
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1. lol I'm not going to believe what you say from now on. You, who seem to be on Prince.org 24/7 recently have NOT seen any "vitriol" about his 90's work on this website? Bullcrap
2. There ARE albums that I don't like, I don't find great. Even I made jokes about them as well. U need to realize there ARE people who are dead serious when they say Prince's recent work is nothing but shit. I'm not talking about jokes.
3. Again, I'm not talking about fans who COMPLAIN. I'm talking about fans who go beyond that.
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1. I'm actually not on 24/7. And can you go find some threads were people are complaining about his 90's work? 2. So what? Every Prince album is not someones cup of tea. I can't listen to The Chocolate Invasion, The Rainbow Children(Except "Mellow" and "Everywhere"), and The Slaughter House. Their going to call it bullshit if they don't like it. I never called any of his music bullshit or any other name. Some people in 85' thought Around The World In A Day was pointless, but loved Parade. 3. This debate isn't going anywhere. It's over. 4. I know right | |
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You can act as flakey and flighty as Prince did in the middle-80s and no one really complains because you're following through with ground-breaking music and putting on great shows. When you're giving people what they want your eccentricities get excused or at least seem less annoying.
When you act flakey and you don't follow through, however, people get irritated. Of course Prince can do whatever he pleases, but if you're NOT people-pleasing, people will NOT be pleased.
Prince has the right to be a flake and others have a right to complain about it.
Prince has put in place a standard that he is now having trouble living up to. Of course people are going to feel let down. That can easily turn to anger. The one artistic constant in popular music sudden SEEMS like it's missing. How's that positive?
Michael Jackson worship is totally unfounded. There is little actual evidence that he deserves even a fraction of what he gets. The negaticity aimed at Prince, while certainly exagerrated and grounded in a stupid sense of fan entitlement, stems from ACTUAL events.
I think the hate is excessive, but totally natural. Prince can no longer shit in people'e mouths and call it a sundae. | |
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1. There's search function above. Go look for threads about Emancipation, Rave or Love Symbol and come back and tell me everyone on those threads were all loving those albums? 2. lol What was the point of that again? Did I say Prince's fans should love all his albums? Now you're just saying whatever you want to say, and you should know that's not even relevant to the argument. | |
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1. Did everyone love Lovesexy or Around The World In A Day or Batman? All of Prince's albums has people that dislike them. Their isn't one Prince album in the world that everyone loves. So that 90'sstuff is not legit. 2. I said that to tell you people have different ways of expressing love for his from the last 15 years. | |
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The problem with some fans is that they have standards, and arent going to lower them. Of course Prince fans arent going to love it when Prince says something incredibly stupid or releases an album thats incredibly bad.
You complain about fans complaining about EVERYTHING, they dont complain about everything, they critize things that deserve to be critized. | |
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Agree to the max. | |
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God forbid you just like his music. | |
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Yeah...this^^^^ | |
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1. Let me be more specific. Not everyone loves the same album, and not everyone thinks SOTT or Parade is the best work of Prince. But that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about the attitude that's "Prince has been putting shitty albums out since ninety something years. And everything he does these days is shit as well." Yes they can say whatever they want, and like I said from the beginning, I think they're real fans in a way. But I can't help I'm pissed off by the mockery and take it as offense.
2. ...And that's why I think that the ones who hate his recent stuff to death and mock him constantly are obsesed fans. U get it? | |
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To end this...it's basically a Love/Hate relationship with some Prince fans. They love to hate him. I have a love/hate relationship with one of my friends, and we still hangout. | |
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Listen...I'm sure you are very intelligent...Let me explain to you why some people are getting tired of the pitchfork mentality that has been popping up on the Org lately...The thing is that most fan sites dedicated to artists are usually on the positive side...The tricky part is how overtly positive does a fan site need to be? To me there should be middle ground...You should be allowed to say that a song sucks...You should be allowed to say an artist is acting like a dick...I'm down for that...
The rub comes when criticism becomes over-the-top and phony...The Operator of a fan site (Org) is supposed to set the pace...But when you go to the frontpage and the headlines section reads like a tabloid site it opens the doors for the loons (If I was coming to the Org's frontpage to find out about Prince releasing a tribute to Amy Winehouse or the read headlines about his European gigs beyond a gig having bad sound, I would be sadly dissapointed)...
Again, criticism is one thing....But ask yourself this....What other fan site do you know where fans from Springsteen and Radiohead to Rihanna and Katy Perry complain seemingly every day about how setlists have become too predictable? How many fan sites do you know where some "fans" are allowed to blatantly lie (one cat posted in the Concerts section that fans were panning his recent Germany gig and that Prince wasn't playing to a packed house, which turned out to be highly inaccurate)?
To me it's all about balance....And strangly the Org seems to be ripe with weird negativity that is losing that balance....
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The bolded doesn't apply to me. | |
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"Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything." --Plato
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I don't belong to any other fansite so i can't comment on that point. But I do know you cannot compare Prince to any of them apart from Bruce Sprinsgteen (relating to back catalogue, amount of tours etc, quality of songwriting and composing/musicianship etc). And if you do take Bruce as an example, you would most likely be right. But why? Only a Bruce Springsteen fan who knows his/her stuff can make a proper comparison.
I do think there there is a balance here. There's a lot of positive threads here, and of course there a threads expressing some dissapointment (for whatever reasons). But it seems a lot of fans just refuse to accept criticism of Prince, and the ridiculous label of 'hater' is all too frequently thrown about around here. The word itself is ridiculous anyway - totally exaggerated and a blatant short cut to thinking.
And I would bet that the majority of members of this website who are labelled a 'hater', would in fact still name Prince as their favourite artist, regardless of how dissatisfied they may feel with him. Surely thay can't be here just to kill some time and annoy loads of people!
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A real fan is some1 that doesnt say yes and amen to everything he does just because it´s from Prince. It´s more some1 that basically loves his music and concerts and wants to support him but however can give constructive criticism. [Edited 8/1/11 8:56am] | |
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Well your name is smoothcriminal... | |
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In my defense, I just became a fan last year, so I wasn't around for the websites, only have a few albums, have a few bootlegs, know only his 80's and early 90's discography in order, know some proteges, so...meh. | |
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To answer your question, yes, some folks are here to annoy people on this site...lol
Again, I'm not down with the pack mentality....If a gig sucks let it be known...If a song sucks let it be known...If an artist is acting like a dick let it be known...
But it's the over-the-top complaints and bitching that's making me shake my head....
Obsessive fandom cuts both ways...The same person who complains that Prince is doing the same show (after acknowledging that they have seen Prince in concert 10 times...) is just as wacky as a fan who cries because I gave Prince the Midget nickname..
The problem is fans who come on the board to complain and add little else are shocked and mystified when other fans shit on them for doing so...On a "Prince fan" site no less...lol
To me that's the real issue.... | |
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Well I'll give you 6 months, and then you'll be a fan. | |
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This old tired debate again?!! Think I'll go do a jig-saw puzzle. "Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything." --Plato
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haha thats definitely me. Yes, at 19, I finally saw the Revolution, a legendary band. And I talked to Wendy!!! In addition to seeing Prince, I have now lived life. Thank you Purple People!! | |
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Just goes to show, asking who is or what makes a true fan is impossible question, because it means something different to different people.
I'll tell you what I find funny.
When Prince opened up his own official forum there was a mass exodus from a section of the fan community over to it. There was a crowd of "fams" who only really wanted to talk about Prince at Princes house. I was a member their too and it was mostly threads about how great everything was.
At this point, the org had never been so peaceful. Activity didn't stop, but it because calmer. Threads became about the music, the only real thing we as fans are well placed to comment on. Differences of opinion was fine. There were no idolisation / swooning picture threads that read like a teen mag. Some could even say is because a little boring.
But when Prince closed the official forum, there was a mass exodus back to the org. All sorts of nothing threads started up and terms like "haters" and "naysayers" because the new language people on the org that didn't like everything. The venomous tongue and tone came WITH a small minority of fams, who spend their time pointing the finger at anyone else.
Oh, and the irony? One of the reasons given for the shut down of the official threads was because of the growing negative tone from the fams. So where is the real problem?
So are Prince's fans good/bad? That depends on your own outlook. All I know is that the fan base is a reflection of the artists own actions. . | |
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Its always good to watch the fight. . | |
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Can I join you? Hell lemme bring my coloring book.
Y'all motherfuckers always fight over the stupid shit. Fuck outta here. Purple Rain bitch. | |
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These last two have nothing to do with being a fan. #8 is very strange and #9 is for silly tabloid readers. [Edited 8/1/11 11:07am] | |
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