afro75 said:

cbarnes3121 said:

me too im not fonding of him gettin back with wendy and lisa. i rather see the older members with prince

Lisa was there from (Dirty Mind) 1980 - (Parade) 1986. She's an OG Revolution member. Hell, she was there during the pre-Revolution Andre (and his plastic pants) era.

[Edited 7/27/11 8:55am]

Stop all that fact stuff- it messes with peoples delusions.

Zannaloaf said:

Adisa said:

The real reason is because nothing will be gained from it. Nothing.

Um. Yeah. HUGE sales would be gained from it and a WHOLE lot of PR. Don't be the kind of Prince fan that doesn't recognize that MOST people who liked Prince liked him during THIS period and would pay big moeny to see this show. I might not....but I've seen him through many tours and bands. This would almost be the one to avoid becasue it WOULD be for "THOSE" people..

Yep, but I would still like 2 C it lol

And you know there would have to be 'aftershows' Which I would seriously pay 4

OldFriends4Sale said:

Zannaloaf said:

Um. Yeah. HUGE sales would be gained from it and a WHOLE lot of PR. Don't be the kind of Prince fan that doesn't recognize that MOST people who liked Prince liked him during THIS period and would pay big moeny to see this show. I might not....but I've seen him through many tours and bands. This would almost be the one to avoid becasue it WOULD be for "THOSE" people..

Yep, but I would still like 2 C it lol

And you know there would have to be 'aftershows' Which I would seriously pay 4

fDeluxe w/ Wendy & Lisa in September in LA - same month marks the 25th anniversary of the last Revolution show in Tokyo. Wendy & Lisa, Susannah, Eric Leeds, Jellybean- need I say more?

TrueFunkSoldier2 said:

i don't agree that most of the magic was made with the revolution but i've a feeling a lot of people would make that association if they reunited and the album turned out really good. Revolution needs prince more than prince them imo..

[Edited 7/28/11 12:45pm]

I don't see any of them working at the local mall...so I'd say you are wrong. Considering what Princes latest recordings have sounded like - both lyrically and sonically he needs SOMETHING to wake his by-the-numbers behind.

alexnvrmnd777 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

It's funny how people just don't know what's going on, right?

Thanks for spotlighting Dr Fink. That man is awesome on the keys

Hell when people like Pharrel and the Neptunes are using him & Wendy you know they got it

BrownMark is still killer on the bass, heard him playing with Sheila E this year at one of her shows on the West Coast, I distinctly remember them playing America

Wendy & Lisa rusty? Musicians get better
If these two were rusty Prince sure would not have had them playing with him during the musicology & planet earth years

Co-sign, dude!!! The only way any of those guys would be "rusty" is they'd have to get the feel of playing together again, and even that rust would be gone after an afternoon of jammin' like they did in the old day.

Prince does NOT want to reunite and do anything with "The Revolution" as a band because he's afraid he'll look like those old groups that get together for a reunion when they're nice and old. And he doesn't want to appear like he's old and out of step, and in his mind, the full-on "reunion" is an old person/act's "gimmick". I can guarantee that's why he doesn't wanna do it. That, and he doesn't want to risk doing better music with them because it would highlight just how lifeless his recent (past MANY years) "solo" shit really has been. So, he makes fun of the idea if it's ever brought up and says he only lives in the now. Mmm hmmm. Whatever, negro.

He's stubborn. We all know that, so the only things we can do is just live off our Revolution soundboard recordings and outtakes. Now, if only his ass would release more live shows from back in that day, people wouldn't be clamoring for a Rev reunion as much. But that's another story for another day...

Funny part bout that is that his stuff SOUNDS old. His old stuff soiunds more today or beyond thatn most of what he does now. He needs to do what McCartney did and hire a producer that tells him when he sucks. Made a GREAT album for Sir Paul...besting a lot of his solo material.

Revolutionary said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Yep, but I would still like 2 C it lol

And you know there would have to be 'aftershows' Which I would seriously pay 4

fDeluxe w/ Wendy & Lisa in September in LA - same month marks the 25th anniversary of the last Revolution show in Tokyo. Wendy & Lisa, Susannah, Eric Leeds, Jellybean- need I say more?

I'll be there.

I can understand people's arguments that Prince's music pre and post-Revolution was great but I won't dismiss neither member because of aging. I think some of them can still throw down. That said you got a better chance of seeing an UFO in the backwoods of a Southern town than you would seeing Prince reunite with the ORIGINAL Revolution. And even more so with folks that he basically performed with in his early years that were there in the beginning stages.

[Edited 7/29/11 17:11pm]

gogol said:

rainbow children was a level above most of the stuff released that year and critics were 50/50. it was on both the best and worst albums of the year list of some major publications. what does that say? some people can judge the music and leave him out of it. some can't.

Sorry, holmes. TRC didn't make the worst album lists because those people couldn't leave Prince out of it, it made the lists because those people didn't like that album.

Your argument is the same as me saying, "Some people can judge the music and leave hime out of it while others blindly like everything he does, like TRC."

OldFriends4Sale said:

Zannaloaf said:

Um. Yeah. HUGE sales would be gained from it and a WHOLE lot of PR. Don't be the kind of Prince fan that doesn't recognize that MOST people who liked Prince liked him during THIS period and would pay big moeny to see this show. I might not....but I've seen him through many tours and bands. This would almost be the one to avoid becasue it WOULD be for "THOSE" people..

Yep, but I would still like 2 C it lol

And you know there would have to be 'aftershows' Which I would seriously pay 4

Bullshit. Prince makes millions when he goes on tour, period. Why? Because people are coming to see Prince perform his songs. The idea of a reunion is silly because it's not like the bandmembers actually sang lead or contributed anything that the avergare backing band couldn't replicate. They were a BACKING band.

"Yeah, let's go to the Prince and the Revolution Reunion so we can re-live the magic when Brown Mark uhhh, well, we're gonna hear that song when Bobby really... ... shit, when they sing "Beth"...no wait that's another group... well, let's go so we can re-live 1985!"

Adisa said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Yep, but I would still like 2 C it lol

And you know there would have to be 'aftershows' Which I would seriously pay 4

Bullshit. Prince makes millions when he goes on tour, period. Why? Because people are coming to see Prince perform his songs. The idea of a reunion is silly because it's not like the bandmembers actually sang lead or contributed anything that the avergare backing band couldn't replicate. They were a BACKING band.

"Yeah, let's go to the Prince and the Revolution Reunion so we can re-live the magic when Brown Mark uhhh, well, we're gonna hear that song when Bobby really... ... shit, when they sing "Beth"...no wait that's another group... well, let's go so we can re-live 1985!"

I really don't understand your reply in connection 2 our fun comments on If we would or wouldn't see it.

How is what I said bullshit? Bullshit that I would still go see a concert or pay good money for an aftershow?

I can't really reply to your comment because it doesn't make sense in connection to my post.

Maybe you meant to reply to another post?

But I will say they were more than a backing band vs bands to follow the 1978-1988 band was a lot more. It was girlfriends and ex girlfriends it was people who he hung out with before he was "Royal Badness" it was people he went bowling with and didn't have to pay the bowling alley to close for him, it was people who he lived with and made sandwiches for him and did laundry together, it was people who went to the same school.

OldFriends4Sale said:

Adisa said:

Bullshit. Prince makes millions when he goes on tour, period. Why? Because people are coming to see Prince perform his songs. The idea of a reunion is silly because it's not like the bandmembers actually sang lead or contributed anything that the avergare backing band couldn't replicate. They were a BACKING band.

"Yeah, let's go to the Prince and the Revolution Reunion so we can re-live the magic when Brown Mark uhhh, well, we're gonna hear that song when Bobby really... ... shit, when they sing "Beth"...no wait that's another group... well, let's go so we can re-live 1985!"

I really don't understand your reply in connection 2 our fun comments on If we would or wouldn't see it.

How is what I said bullshit? Bullshit that I would still go see a concert or pay good money for an aftershow?

I can't really reply to your comment because it doesn't make sense in connection to my post.

Maybe you meant to reply to another post?

But I will say they were more than a backing band vs bands to follow the 1978-1988 band was a lot more. It was girlfriends and ex girlfriends it was people who he hung out with before he was "Royal Badness" it was people he went bowling with and didn't have to pay the bowling alley to close for him, it was people who he lived with and made sandwiches for him and did laundry together, it was people who went to the same school.

I'm commenting on the notion that you, Zannalouf, and even Revoluionary think a reunion is somehow gonna have a bigger financial impact for Prince. I seriously doubt it. Prince touring = Prince making millions. There's thread here all the time on this site about the worst bands and worst or least favorite band members. None of that really matters though, because it's Prince that people want to see and hear.

FunkyStrange said:

MadamGoodnight said:

I'd like to see him reunited with Dez and Andre'. Fink too.

It was great to see him reunite with Fink, Brown Mark and Bobby Z at the show I saw in 2000

That was the closest thing to a Revolution reunion I think there has been....

So cool! Lucky you!

Adisa said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I really don't understand your reply in connection 2 our fun comments on If we would or wouldn't see it.

How is what I said bullshit? Bullshit that I would still go see a concert or pay good money for an aftershow?

I can't really reply to your comment because it doesn't make sense in connection to my post.

Maybe you meant to reply to another post?

But I will say they were more than a backing band vs bands to follow the 1978-1988 band was a lot more. It was girlfriends and ex girlfriends it was people who he hung out with before he was "Royal Badness" it was people he went bowling with and didn't have to pay the bowling alley to close for him, it was people who he lived with and made sandwiches for him and did laundry together, it was people who went to the same school.

I'm commenting on the notion that you, Zannalouf, and even Revoluionary think a reunion is somehow gonna have a bigger financial impact for Prince. I seriously doubt it. Prince touring = Prince making millions. There's thread here all the time on this site about the worst bands and worst or least favorite band members. None of that really matters though, because it's Prince that people want to see and hear.

well when your reply to something that isn't directly connected to what your talking about it get's confusing. A general comment to the post would have worked. I still stand by my comment.

And I think others put it even better, non-fans, casual fans, regular fans etc know Purple rain the movie, it's what put Prince on the map and in league with M. Jackson 1983-1985 was Purple Reign

It's commercialism it's pop culture its cult classic culture

Get the original Time Sheila E Prince & the Revolution have Jill Jones sing Wednesday/What Will I Do while Prince plays piano, do some outtakes, and it would sell way more than he's selling now

I never said Prince isn't making money on tours. Capitalize on your legacy, nothing wrong with it you have nothing to prove. Cause on the side playing old school cover funk makes you look like a has been, it feels like a festival show with an old 1950's group at times. When PRince has so many songs under his belt. Even outside of a 'revolution' reunion so much more to mix it up. I love the whole residency shows in London & 3121 Vegas but such a huge legacy of music and musicians

Adisa said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I really don't understand your reply in connection 2 our fun comments on If we would or wouldn't see it.

How is what I said bullshit? Bullshit that I would still go see a concert or pay good money for an aftershow?

I can't really reply to your comment because it doesn't make sense in connection to my post.

Maybe you meant to reply to another post?

But I will say they were more than a backing band vs bands to follow the 1978-1988 band was a lot more. It was girlfriends and ex girlfriends it was people who he hung out with before he was "Royal Badness" it was people he went bowling with and didn't have to pay the bowling alley to close for him, it was people who he lived with and made sandwiches for him and did laundry together, it was people who went to the same school.

I'm commenting on the notion that you, Zannalouf, and even Revoluionary think a reunion is somehow gonna have a bigger financial impact for Prince. I seriously doubt it. Prince touring = Prince making millions. There's thread here all the time on this site about the worst bands and worst or least favorite band members. None of that really matters though, because it's Prince that people want to see and hear.

Apparently you are wearing your fan glasses. Yes - real fans will go see him, but those who flocked to Purple Rain in droves are not not comprised completley of thiose people. So you are dead wrong that a REvolution REuinion tour would make the same amount of money. Straight from a PR perspective it would be bigger than anything he has done in 15 years.

Zannaloaf said:

Adisa said:

I'm commenting on the notion that you, Zannalouf, and even Revoluionary think a reunion is somehow gonna have a bigger financial impact for Prince. I seriously doubt it. Prince touring = Prince making millions. There's thread here all the time on this site about the worst bands and worst or least favorite band members. None of that really matters though, because it's Prince that people want to see and hear.

Apparently you are wearing your fan glasses. Yes - real fans will go see him, but those who flocked to Purple Rain in droves are not not comprised completley of thiose people. So you are dead wrong that a REvolution REuinion tour would make the same amount of money. Straight from a PR perspective it would be bigger than anything he has done in 15 years.

Those who saw Purple Rain in droves probably can't name a member of anyone else in the band beside Lisa & Wendy. They'd probably get Dr. Fink too but that's most likely because he'll be in costume. But those people wouldn't know his name.

When people say they want a Revolution Reunion Tour and it would supposedly make a lot of money. What they're saying is Prince should get back together Lisa & Wendy. That average, casual Prince listener doesn't care about anyone else.

To them Prince+Lisa+Wendy+Random Guy in the background wearing Hospital Scrubs= Revolution.

I don't know if I already asked this question or not but how did Prince come to the decision to create the Revolution, first off, and how did he decide to bill them for two years alongside him? Was he trying to create an empire that failed? Obviously he controlled all the aspects of how the music was produced but how did he come to that decision? And then decided to fold it when people in the group asked too many questions about money, songwriting rights and the like?

"when they sing "Beth"...no wait that's another group". (LOL!!!)

If P decided to have all of the Revolution members come out on a couple of songs (during one of his shows as a special moment) then that would be cool.

But to reunite, record, tour etc? It would fall apart before it could even begin. Too many egos.

I like the idea of him having different members come out and jam with him during his shows.

It would have been nice to see Bobby Z jam on "Purple Rain" with him after Bobby's health scare.

And after seeing that Dez clip it would be cool to see him and P jam on "Why You Wanna".

We all know that P doesn't live in the past and isn't fond of nostalgia.

SPYZFAN1 said:

"when they sing "Beth"...no wait that's another group". (LOL!!!)

If P decided to have all of the Revolution members come out on a couple of songs (during one of his shows as a special moment) then that would be cool.

But to reunite, record, tour etc? It would fall apart before it could even begin. Too many egos.

I like the idea of him having different members come out and jam with him during his shows.

It would have been nice to see Bobby Z jam on "Purple Rain" with him after Bobby's health scare.

And after seeing that Dez clip it would be cool to see him and P jam on "Why You Wanna".

We all know that P doesn't live in the past and isn't fond of nostalgia.

STOP STOP STOP IT

We all know this? And how?

During the release of LotusFlower during the JAY Leno shows didn't he pull out old npg band members for different nights

Did you see the Lopez show where he puts on the drum kitt and like SOTT(live song from the film) fashion him and sheila drum and end the way they did on that show?

Didn't you hear him say at the Coachella show with Morris Day Jerome & Sheila E "this is how the Purple Rain tour was supposed to be"?

when he kicked off the concerts in Europe last year didn't he spray paint Prince on the kick drum like he did during the Dirty Mind era?

Didn't he kiss Tamar at the 2006 Brit Award show during Purple Rain (even though it made no sense)?

I mean I could continue to list things that refute your statement.

I don't know why fans think that, it's not true

SPYZFAN1 said:

"when they sing "Beth"...no wait that's another group". (LOL!!!)

If P decided to have all of the Revolution members come out on a couple of songs (during one of his shows as a special moment) then that would be cool.

But to reunite, record, tour etc? It would fall apart before it could even begin. Too many egos.

I like the idea of him having different members come out and jam with him during his shows.

It would have been nice to see Bobby Z jam on "Purple Rain" with him after Bobby's health scare.

And after seeing that Dez clip it would be cool to see him and P jam on "Why You Wanna".

We all know that P doesn't live in the past and isn't fond of nostalgia.

That would be ONE...ONE HUGE ego causing it to fall apart....lol

Timmy84 said:

I don't know if I already asked this question or not but how did Prince come to the decision to create the Revolution, first off, and how did he decide to bill them for two years alongside him? Was he trying to create an empire that failed? Obviously he controlled all the aspects of how the music was produced but how did he come to that decision? And then decided to fold it when people in the group asked too many questions about money, songwriting rights and the like?

Good questions. Definately something I will look into

back then Prince did want to create and was already in the process of creating a 'space' the concepts of Uptown Erotic City & Paisley Park were where this was happening and his band was to reflect him (which the Revolution(pre Revolution) did the proteges were extensions of his music and highlighted various parts of 'Uptown' Erotic City 'Paisley Park: the Time, Vanity 6, Sheila E. the Family, Madhouse

Jill Jones(never really got her own space) but moved back in forth thru these parts of town

I think if Prince handled it right, the Time Vanity 6 Sheila E (and maybe a different version of the Family) would have continued to exist and it have been a long lasting stimulation for Prince own music. To have people dedicated and focused on 'Purple Music' would have seriously taken Prince to a higher level in music Pop & Cult culture

Paris9748430 said:

Zannaloaf said:

Apparently you are wearing your fan glasses. Yes - real fans will go see him, but those who flocked to Purple Rain in droves are not not comprised completley of thiose people. So you are dead wrong that a REvolution REuinion tour would make the same amount of money. Straight from a PR perspective it would be bigger than anything he has done in 15 years.

Those who saw Purple Rain in droves probably can't name a member of anyone else in the band beside Lisa & Wendy. They'd probably get Dr. Fink too but that's most likely because he'll be in costume. But those people wouldn't know his name.

When people say they want a Revolution Reunion Tour and it would supposedly make a lot of money. What they're saying is Prince should get back together Lisa & Wendy. That average, casual Prince listener doesn't care about anyone else.

To them Prince+Lisa+Wendy+Random Guy in the background wearing Hospital Scrubs= Revolution.

that may be true...but once KISS started subing out peope in the same makeup- but NOT Ace or Peter - people didn't come out like they had been. You forget that people SAW Purple Rain (and lots of videos from teh 80s)...so they kinda know the band. If the Commodoes only reunited with Walter (Brick House) Orange and Lionel (Three Times a Lady) Richie...people still wouldn't consider it a real reunion tour even tho most people couldn't name the rest of the band. The hype would be about the WHOLE band. Period.

SPYZFAN1 said:

"when they sing "Beth"...no wait that's another group". (LOL!!!)

If P decided to have all of the Revolution members come out on a couple of songs (during one of his shows as a special moment) then that would be cool.

But to reunite, record, tour etc? It would fall apart before it could even begin. Too many egos.

I like the idea of him having different members come out and jam with him during his shows.

It would have been nice to see Bobby Z jam on "Purple Rain" with him after Bobby's health scare.

And after seeing that Dez clip it would be cool to see him and P jam on "Why You Wanna".

We all know that P doesn't live in the past and isn't fond of nostalgia.

PS- then why are most of his shows old songs???

OldFriends...

Back in the late 90's when I saw him at MSG, he had his part of the show when he was playing quick samples (pre recorded) of some of his hits and had the audience sing along.

At one point he stopped and said; "I'm a music professor and I have to move foward".

Clearly he does some of his old songs because that's what the fans pay for and want to hear live.

But as you and I (and the orgers) remember back in the 90's, he went thru his phase of not wanting to play his hits live for a few years. He was only into his new stuff.

P to me (along with Miles Davis) is one of those artists that likes to move ahead and not repeat himself. That's one of things I always dug about him back in the 80's. Every year you could expect something brand new.

I don't think P has any desire at all to go back to 1984 and re-do it all over again with the Revolution. It would be great nostalgia and memories for the die-hards, but I'm almost positive

he has no interest in getting on a tourbus and playing stadiums with them again.

OldFriends I will admit your points are very good and I'm glad we can discuss it. I missed the spray painted kick drum..never saw it but I'll look for it.

...and I've said it before, I would love for P to get behind a real live mic-ed up acoustic drum kit, cracking beats (no samples, machines, sequencers,etc) and do the entire record like he used to in the early 80's.

SPYZFAN1 said:

OldFriends...

Back in the late 90's when I saw him at MSG, he had his part of the show when he was playing quick samples (pre recorded) of some of his hits and had the audience sing along.

At one point he stopped and said; "I'm a music professor and I have to move foward".

Clearly he does some of his old songs because that's what the fans pay for and want to hear live.

But as you and I (and the orgers) remember back in the 90's, he went thru his phase of not wanting to play his hits live for a few years. He was only into his new stuff.

P to me (along with Miles Davis) is one of those artists that likes to move ahead and not repeat himself. That's one of things I always dug about him back in the 80's. Every year you could expect something brand new.

I don't think P has any desire at all to go back to 1984 and re-do it all over again with the Revolution. It would be great nostalgia and memories for the die-hards, but I'm almost positive

he has no interest in getting on a tourbus and playing stadiums with them again.

OldFriends I will admit your points are very good and I'm glad we can discuss it. I missed the spray painted kick drum..never saw it but I'll look for it.

...and I've said it before, I would love for P to get behind a real live mic-ed up acoustic drum kit, cracking beats (no samples, machines, sequencers,etc) and do the entire record like he used to in the early 80's.

Spyzfan1 I totally agree with you because your talking about music, the 'going back' is something very human. We all do

His song Reflections... tells me he is just like the rest of us

When he wrote the song In This Bed I Scream he was reflecting back on the sound he was creating with Wendy & Lisa, when he wanted to do the Roadhouse Garden album I don't think that was an album of 'all new material'

I think there may be other reason beyond not going back as far as the Revolution is concerned because he sure has played with them ... and reflected on Bobby Z and wants him to play Purple Rain when he's recovered

I'm looking at the whole "PRince doesn't look back" in a different way.

But I totally hear and agree with your points

not true. look up interviews on wendy n lisas channel on youtube

dandeeland said:

the main reason I think is the Revolution won't take him back. They won't put up with his crap again

Thanks OldFriends. I have to say I was blown away the 1st time I saw those pictures that you posted. It showed to me that he was aware of who he was and who helped him . You know..sort of embracing his past.

"In This Bed" is a great song and it did remind me of the 80's Wendy and Lisa vibe just a bit.

Orgers have said that P trolls this board from time to time..so who knows what could happen one day. Maybe the diehards will get their wish...even if it's only for a couple of songs.

Thanks again.

Because Wendy and Lisa scare small children.

prince didn't want to play his old music because he was trying to destroy his warner brothers career and he didn't want warner making money .. wasn't that why he stopped touring when the shorter hits package came out?

"beth" is the only KISS song I like .. it would suck if some shitty session musician sang it

speaking of KISS .. prince sucks at playing kiss live .. he needs whoever made that track magic to help him out live

i think prince wont revisit certain past mates because its too intimate .. he is much more comfortable playing shallow playa wit da npg than to hang with real musicians with a passion for art over product and image

TrevorAyer said:

prince didn't want to play his old music because he was trying to destroy his warner brothers career and he didn't want warner making money .. wasn't that why he stopped touring when the shorter hits package came out?

"beth" is the only KISS song I like .. it would suck if some shitty session musician sang it

speaking of KISS .. prince sucks at playing kiss live .. he needs whoever made that track magic to help him out live

i think prince wont revisit certain past mates because its too intimate .. he is much more comfortable playing shallow playa wit da npg than to hang with real musicians with a passion for art over product and image

When was the last time you saw Prince live in person?

Most who attended Prince's concerts in the last year will tell you Kiss live is the best part of the show, especially when he does the dance breakdown. and ofcourse for someone who has seen him live numerous times since 2006 I can assure you he DOES NOT play shallow.