We know that the first two TIME albums were heavily "influenced" creatively by Prince himself.

What other songs so you feel musically go into the "Time territory"? Pick from any era, especially the NPG stuff.

I'll start with "bacon skin" from Crystal ball. Don't be shy: what Prince songs remind you (musically) of the Time??

They weren't just influenced by, Prince wrote and recorded the lot, except for bits n bobs here and there (After HI School).

International Lover was originally intended for The Time, so you could say that sounds like the Time.

"Lady Cab Driver"

"D.M.S.R"

"Moviestar"

"Partyup"

..I'm sure there's more.

The Times songs represented the more cocky side of Princes personality, so songs like Movie Star etc are gonna sound like Time songs, cos wrote their stuff.

I think Party Up was written by Morris or was it Uptown, nah it was Party Up definatly Party Up

BruthaMoorice said:

The Times songs represented the more cocky side of Princes personality, so songs like Movie Star etc are gonna sound like Time songs, cos wrote their stuff.

I think Party Up was written by Morris or was it Uptown, nah it was Party Up definatly Party Up

Well, if he did, he's not officially credited for it. ASCAP has the writer and performer of both Party Up and Uptown as being just Prince.

Songs such as The Bird, Jerk Out and Jungle Love all have Morris credited as a co-writer.

And, to the OP, as NouveauDance said, Prince both wrote and performed almost everything himself! Asking what Prince songs sound like the Time is non sequitur as most of the Time's songs ARE Prince songs.

Lolita

Mindflux said:

Well, if he did, he's not officially credited for it. ASCAP has the writer and performer of both Party Up and Uptown as being just Prince.

The story goes that Prince did a deal with Morris - he would either give him a monetary sum outright for the song (something like $25K I believe).... OR create a project around him and get a deal for it.

We know which option Morris chose - but yeah, in doing so, he gave up any potential writers credit on the song. That's for "Partyup" - Morris had nothing to do with "Uptown".

Militant said:

Mindflux said:

Well, if he did, he's not officially credited for it. ASCAP has the writer and performer of both Party Up and Uptown as being just Prince.

The story goes that Prince did a deal with Morris - he would either give him a monetary sum outright for the song (something like $25K I believe).... OR create a project around him and get a deal for it.

We know which option Morris chose - but yeah, in doing so, he gave up any potential writers credit on the song. That's for "Partyup" - Morris had nothing to do with "Uptown".

Thanks for the info! Maybe see you tomorrow?

Militant said:

Mindflux said:

Well, if he did, he's not officially credited for it. ASCAP has the writer and performer of both Party Up and Uptown as being just Prince.

The story goes that Prince did a deal with Morris - he would either give him a monetary sum outright for the song (something like $25K I believe).... OR create a project around him and get a deal for it.

We know which option Morris chose - but yeah, in doing so, he gave up any potential writers credit on the song. That's for "Partyup" - Morris had nothing to do with "Uptown".

$25K ? Did Prince even HAVE that kind of money to spend on a song so early in his career?

Partyman.

NouveauDance said:

They weren't just influenced by, Prince wrote and recorded the lot, except for bits n bobs here and there (After HI School).

International Lover was originally intended for The Time, so you could say that sounds like the Time.

...This.

mydrawers said:

Militant said:

The story goes that Prince did a deal with Morris - he would either give him a monetary sum outright for the song (something like $25K I believe).... OR create a project around him and get a deal for it.

We know which option Morris chose - but yeah, in doing so, he gave up any potential writers credit on the song. That's for "Partyup" - Morris had nothing to do with "Uptown".

$25K ? Did Prince even HAVE that kind of money to spend on a song so early in his career?

I think by the time Prince started doing the protegee stuff, he was pulling in pretty good money, yeah. Those groups started showing up in the few years before he did Purple Rain and after. By then he'd already done 1999, Dirty Mind.... hit records.

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mydrawers said:

Militant said:

The story goes that Prince did a deal with Morris - he would either give him a monetary sum outright for the song (something like $25K I believe).... OR create a project around him and get a deal for it.

We know which option Morris chose - but yeah, in doing so, he gave up any potential writers credit on the song. That's for "Partyup" - Morris had nothing to do with "Uptown".

$25K ? Did Prince even HAVE that kind of money to spend on a song so early in his career?

Sure he did - he'd already had a couple of hits by that point and this was back in the day when you could actually make money out of music!

Pretty Man

Militant said:

Mindflux said:

Well, if he did, he's not officially credited for it. ASCAP has the writer and performer of both Party Up and Uptown as being just Prince.

The story goes that Prince did a deal with Morris - he would either give him a monetary sum outright for the song (something like $25K I believe).... OR create a project around him and get a deal for it.

We know which option Morris chose - but yeah, in doing so, he gave up any potential writers credit on the song. That's for "Partyup" - Morris had nothing to do with "Uptown".

The nucleus of The Time was already created by then as far back as 1978, 1979, so I don't know how that scenario worked. I'm thinking after Prince got some popularity that he finally put The Time on board but due to whatever went on that caused just Morris to record the songs, couldn't get the other guys to record their stuff with the group.

So Prince songs that sound like Prince?

smoothcriminal12 said:

So Prince songs that sound like Prince?

PRETTY MUCH!

bobbyperu said:

Lolita from the 3121 cd.

GOOD CALL !!!!

BruthaMoorice said:

The Times songs represented the more cocky side of Princes personality, so songs like Movie Star etc are gonna sound like Time songs, cos wrote their stuff.

I think Party Up was written by Morris or was it Uptown, nah it was Party Up definatly Party Up

Allegedly, it was Party Up. Uptown was never credited to Morris.

armpit said:

mydrawers said:

$25K ? Did Prince even HAVE that kind of money to spend on a song so early in his career?

I think by the time Prince started doing the protegee stuff, he was pulling in pretty good money, yeah. Those groups started showing up in the few years before he did Purple Rain and after. By then he'd already done 1999, Dirty Mind.... hit records.

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a) The supposed deal with Morris would have happened prior to the release of Dirty Mind (the album that the song in question appears on). He'd only released 2 album at that point, For You and Prince, and only the latter was any sort of "hit". For You actually put him in the hole to the record company, IIRC.

b) Dirty Mind was most certainly NOT a hit record. It didn't even reach Gold status until 4 years later when Purple Rain was released.

That said, "I Wanna Be Your Lover" was a gold single. He probably did have some extra cash to toss around.

jtfolden said:

armpit said:

I think by the time Prince started doing the protegee stuff, he was pulling in pretty good money, yeah. Those groups started showing up in the few years before he did Purple Rain and after. By then he'd already done 1999, Dirty Mind.... hit records.

[Edited 7/2/11 16:19pm]

a) The supposed deal with Morris would have happened prior to the release of Dirty Mind (the album that the song in question appears on). He'd only released 2 album at that point, For You and Prince, and only the latter was any sort of "hit". For You actually put him in the hole to the record company, IIRC.

b) Dirty Mind was most certainly NOT a hit record. It didn't even reach Gold status until 4 years later when Purple Rain was released.

That said, "I Wanna Be Your Lover" was a gold single. He probably did have some extra cash to toss around.

That's what I was thinking... or at least since he went on tour that he did get enough money to help Morris "set it up" if it was true but I doubt they had a "deal" since Prince and Morris were often in contact anyways and Morris knew Prince would need him one day to revive "Flyte Tyme" (aka "The Time") and the time came after Dirty Mind but Morris and Prince had already started recording together around 1979.

Timmy84 said:

jtfolden said:

a) The supposed deal with Morris would have happened prior to the release of Dirty Mind (the album that the song in question appears on). He'd only released 2 album at that point, For You and Prince, and only the latter was any sort of "hit". For You actually put him in the hole to the record company, IIRC.

b) Dirty Mind was most certainly NOT a hit record. It didn't even reach Gold status until 4 years later when Purple Rain was released.

That said, "I Wanna Be Your Lover" was a gold single. He probably did have some extra cash to toss around.

That's what I was thinking... or at least since he went on tour that he did get enough money to help Morris "set it up" if it was true but I doubt they had a "deal" since Prince and Morris were often in contact anyways and Morris knew Prince would need him one day to revive "Flyte Tyme" (aka "The Time") and the time came after Dirty Mind but Morris and Prince had already started recording together around 1979.

Morris and P were in bands prior to P being signed to any deal. It's obvious P had Morris on the brain because he basically took care of ALL of his close friends from pre-contract. If P didn't intend on keeping a certain sense of racial diversity in his band, I'm certain he would've hired Morris to be his drummer from the start.

The "Party Up" myth persists, but I am not sure just how true it really is rather it sort of describes a tale from the past of the arch-rivals they were portrayed as being in the media. Furthermore, "Party Up" is a pretty insignificant track, IMO... So frankly, Morris got the better deal.

Spinlight said:

Furthermore, "Party Up" is a pretty insignificant track, IMO... So frankly, Morris got the better deal.

In hindsight, it kind of is (insignificant) but we also know how Prince seems to go ga-ga over certain tracks, even if he completely ignores them weeks later. On the other hand, the lyrical subject matter was new for Prince at the time and it pointed the way forward toward other tracks that would tackle similar subjects (Fightin' war is such a fuckin' bore Party up, I don't wanna die I just wanna have a bloody good time).

whole Black Album

jcurley said:

God I can't stand the Time. As humour with prince fine,but anything else is camp stereotyped horseshit.

...blasphemy!!...