GeminiCalling said:

This is all well and good, but do you actually WANT TO SEE IT RELEASED?

Seems to be going off topic, that's all:-D

Of course I do! It would make a great blu-ray! Just joking.

Actually, the only way it would justify a blu-ray release in my opinion is if it was packaged with the Magnoli documentary and all the studio music videos from the album and all the MTV reports, and tv advertisments for the tour. Then the blu-ray is a great choice because it all fits on one disc. That would be an amazing release.

But yes I hope it gets put out in a digital format. And I hope the SOTT movie comes out on blu-ray. They have the HD master ready to go, I guess there just isn't perceived demand.

Is possible to name Unique and UfoClub high end specialists in the field of imageprocessing, giving them an own informative discussion topic in which they can slap eachother on the heads with facts and get back to the original request of the live petition.

dualboot said:

Is possible to name Unique and UfoClub high end specialists in the field of imageprocessing, giving them an own informative discussion topic in which they can slap eachother on the heads with facts and get back to the original request of the live petition.

ufoclub said:

unique said:

i think you are just talking shite as a windup. no-one is comparing a 12" to an LP and no-one gives a fucking fuck about converting film to video

all we are talking about is the simple fact that putting lovesexy on bluray from video will be highter quality than dvd. and you confirmed that earlier

so time to move on

You brought up the 33 vs 45 comparison, but I see we are talking about different things. Sorry about that. I thought you were telling me that two different movies of the same motion for the same duration of time at different frame rates were the same thing. What you were actually saying is that the same movie played faster or slower is the same size. You have to understand I'm working on 3 video projects at once, and sometimes don't take the time to carefully read what people are posting on Prince.org.

BUT

But let's move on and get back on track:

ufoclub said:

"You're dealing with limits of pixel information, there is an upward limit of 720 × 576 pixels for a PAL video, and it was shot in 4:3 of course. Pushing it to blu-ray is completely unecessary for image improvement, because the higher bitrate of blu-ray which is still heavily compressed is engineered for a 1920 x 1080 pixel image. And to fill up even the center of an HD image, you would be scaling it up artificially. If you calculate a bitrate per pixel ratio (not just a flat bitrate number), a dual layer DVD pixel is probably just as good as a blu-ray pixel to the eye. But Lovesexy '88 unfortunately was shot on live video PAL technology. It will never truly be anything more than 720 x 576. But you're right on about the sound being better on blu-ray with the potential for a PCM or even Master Audio format available."

unique replied: "you obviously have no clue what you are talking about. PAL doesn't have a pixel resolution and neither does film you can get higher quality picture and sound on blueray from SD and film sources"

Right away, you presented incorrect information:
1. PAL has a limited resolution and it is 720 x 576 pixels in a digital terms. In analog terms it is measured in lines. Look it up. Rip a PAL DVD and check the specs of the movie.
2. You compared transferring SD video (limited to 414 thousand pixel area) to to transferring 35mm film (conversions starting at 3 million pixels and going way up depending on size of film grain) as both equivalently gaining advantage going to blu-ray. This is ineffective based on the resolution limitation of PAL. Of course blu-ray is good for filmed movies. Of course it is not doing anything of consequence for SD video.

unique said:
"but picture quality isn't measured by adding pixels. it's measured by sight and how it looks."

So I'm offering to put up a frame or even a clip for comparison between professional released SD video that is both on DVD and Blu-ray.

unique replied: "but you can't compare or review the difference between film samples by looking at a freeze frame. for a start you might be taking an interlaced source and comparing it to a progressive source. you can't tell motion blur or anything else from a single frame. this is one of the most basic principles of reviewing video"

Here you start waffling on about interlaced vs progressive and motion blur, completely irrelevant because both samples will be from the same SD source, so it's comparable regardless of status any of those factors. It is the same material on both mediums. Any videophile site or professional textbook on image quality offers still frames and close ups of details for comparison.

ufoclub said: "By the way the pixel resolution for widescreen vs 4:3 on DVD is the same. The widescreen version is just programmed to stretch the pixels horizontally."

unique replied: "furthermore, you also said that 4:3 material on dvd stretches across the screen pixel wise, which is complete shite. an anamorphic encoding would "stretch" the image down the screen, but you don't get anamorphic 4:3 material, so fuck knows wtf you are on about there."

Here you read wrong and freaked out. I said the widescreen version is stretched pixels. And yes both widescreen and 4:3 are the same pixel resolution. Anyone can look this up.

Then in response to Rorywan saying that beta was better than DVD resolution

ufoclub said: "If converted to absolute pixels, NTSC betacam is 720 x 486 vs DVD 720 x 480. If Lovesexy were shot with digicams in PAL format, then maybe for those few extra pixels you could argue that."

unique replied:"you are basically saying that i was fucking right in the first fucking place and you can get better quality on bluray"

WRONG. The point I was making was the it was NOT shot on dig betacam, it was shot on analog PAL video. Who knows what overscan compensation there was? You could have lost pixels on each edge. I found this educated piece online:

http://www.flyingpictureslive.com/cameras/DV-BetaSP.html
check it out.
Both you and Rorywan are wrong in your interpretation of what I said. You missed that one important word "DIGI-betacam" and even then I cited an educated source that says that analog beta is slightly inferior to a DV (same resolution as DVD format picture).

This is why feature SD video productions don't seem to be put onto blu-ray. You cited supplementals where all they were doing was taking the material form the DVD and putting it to the blu-ray edition in order to match the feature set of the DVD release. If blu-ray did offer discernably better vehicle to present SD video, then wouldn't there be SD videos being put out on blu-ray?

Check out this thread:

http://forum.blu-ray.com/wish-lists/59496-why-no-doctor-who-blu.html

look at this from your own fucking link, almost exactly the same fucking thing i said in the first place that you started arguing about

fucksake and how many posts of shite have you made?

people are even complaining cuz of you taking the thread off topic

Christ Unique! Chill!!!!!

eireboy34 said:

Christ Unique! Chill!!!!!

i'm fucking chill!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and don't tell people my real fucking name for fucksake

pepper7 said:

I thnk UFO and Unique should get married and live unhappily ever after. [Edited 7/20/11 12:44pm]

I'm already engaged!

I, for one, never started message board screaming.

I got nothing against Unique, just against publishing the idea of the industry going for SD video on blu-ray because it will look better.

The "Glam Slam" music video could be on blu-ray, I think that was 35mm film. Both other music videos from that album were NTSC.

The realistic blu-ray petition would be for SOTT the concert movie. They made the DVD off of an HD transfer made a few years back. That HD transfer was also used to created the HD stream for Encore HD's showing of it. It would be easy to release a blu-ray version since a digital HD master exists. Maybe petition the distributors of the pro DVD (in Canada it was Alliance).

I think Lovesexy could easily be released on DVD. A petition might be a good idea if you knew where to send it. Maybe an email to Alliance for context on how it could happen, since they were the first to put out the SOTT DVD.

please NO!!

I'll bet the two of you would probably hook up and party together after a kick ass Prince concert.

unique said:

eireboy34 said:

Christ Unique! Chill!!!!!

i'm fucking chill!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and don't tell people my real fucking name for fucksake

lmao! Just caught this...

Are you two still at it??!