Which is Price's best jazz attempt? Madhouse or NEWS?

C-Note

Aloisio said:

C-Note

Not the question but i agree.

Madhouse

Madhouse

Madhouse, that's how Jazz is supposed to be, wild & Off the note a bit gritty

Xenophobia is my favorite. However, I like the Madhouse material also.

madhouse

the last version of in a large room with no light...

bigbrother said:

Which is Price's best jazz attempt? Madhouse or NEWS?

"attempt" is the wrong word i feel

lezama said:

the last version of in a large room with no light...

ugggh, that was like Jazz Pop

prince never tried to do something 100% jazz

Madhouse is jazz fusion of FUNK with strong pop elements

jonylawson said:

bigbrother said:

Which is Price's best jazz attempt? Madhouse or NEWS?

"attempt" is the wrong word i feel

Attempt is exactly the right word. Prince has no training and very little experience playing jazz. Jazz is not like rock, funk or the blues. You don't just wake up and start playing jazz one day just like you don't wake up and decide to wirte a novel just because you're the best blogger in the world. It is very complex it takes thinking. You don't just FEEL jazz. That comes only after YEARS of practice and study. Prince can make jazz-like noises and throw a little jazz-ish flavor on his conventional pop music, but that is totally different than jazz. Music is a language. Prince is great at a number of musical languages, but jazz is not one he's spent a lot of quality time learning. He knows a few words and phrases, but just because you can speak English, Spanish, Italian and French doens't mean you can just roll out of bed and start spewing Japanese. Trust me on this. I am a serious student of music and I've studied jazz at one of the best, (if not THE best) jazz school in the world. You want to know who can play jazz but chooses to write contemporary songs instead? One of my former classmates - Norah Jones. Prince is a serious musician in many areas, but when it comes to jazz, (as someone who knows the langauge) he is a dilettante - and that's AT BEST.

I don't mind that he throws that spice into his music, though. That would be like complaining, (as many Indian classical musicians do) that the Beatles had no business adding sitar to their music.

Jazz is basically a dead genre as people don't want it to change. I think experimentation is a must, but adding some pseudo-jazz noodling to your rock/funk/pop whatever isn't advancing jazz, it's advancing what he's doing at the moment. Jazz remains a dying artform because most folks in the popular music realm haven't the time to devote to something that will only cost them money, not make it. Calling Prince a jazz musican is like calling Bill Joel a classical composer. Both of them may think they are, but we know better...

She Spoke 2 Me............

steakfinger said:

jonylawson said:

"attempt" is the wrong word i feel

Attempt is exactly the right word. Prince has no training and very little experience playing jazz. Jazz is not like rock, funk or the blues. You don't just wake up and start playing jazz one day just like you don't wake up and decide to wirte a novel just because you're the best blogger in the world. It is very complex it takes thinking. You don't just FEEL jazz. That comes only after YEARS of practice and study. Prince can make jazz-like noises and throw a little jazz-ish flavor on his conventional pop music, but that is totally different than jazz. Music is a language. Prince is great at a number of musical languages, but jazz is not one he's spent a lot of quality time learning. He knows a few words and phrases, but just because you can speak English, Spanish, Italian and French doens't mean you can just roll out of bed and start spewing Japanese. Trust me on this. I am a serious student of music and I've studied jazz at one of the best, (if not THE best) jazz school in the world. You want to know who can play jazz but chooses to write contemporary songs instead? One of my former classmates - Norah Jones. Prince is a serious musician in many areas, but when it comes to jazz, (as someone who knows the langauge) he is a dilettante - and that's AT BEST.

I don't mind that he throws that spice into his music, though. That would be like complaining, (as many Indian classical musicians do) that the Beatles had no business adding sitar to their music.

Jazz is basically a dead genre as people don't want it to change. I think experimentation is a must, but adding some pseudo-jazz noodling to your rock/funk/pop whatever isn't advancing jazz, it's advancing what he's doing at the moment. Jazz remains a dying artform because most folks in the popular music realm haven't the time to devote to something that will only cost them money, not make it. Calling Prince a jazz musican is like calling Bill Joel a classical composer. Both of them may think they are, but we know better...

I more or less agree. Prince doesn't really do jazz. He does (smooth) jazz-like stuff, but not jazz per se.

Listen to this record:

http://www.allaboutjazz.com/php/article.php?id=7654

Madhouse

outside of Madhouse

His best and loveliest is Old Friends 4 Sale (1985)

steakfinger said:

jonylawson said:

"attempt" is the wrong word i feel

Attempt is exactly the right word. Prince has no training and very little experience playing jazz. Jazz is not like rock, funk or the blues. You don't just wake up and start playing jazz one day just like you don't wake up and decide to wirte a novel just because you're the best blogger in the world. It is very complex it takes thinking. You don't just FEEL jazz. That comes only after YEARS of practice and study. Prince can make jazz-like noises and throw a little jazz-ish flavor on his conventional pop music, but that is totally different than jazz. Music is a language. Prince is great at a number of musical languages, but jazz is not one he's spent a lot of quality time learning. He knows a few words and phrases, but just because you can speak English, Spanish, Italian and French doens't mean you can just roll out of bed and start spewing Japanese. Trust me on this. I am a serious student of music and I've studied jazz at one of the best, (if not THE best) jazz school in the world. You want to know who can play jazz but chooses to write contemporary songs instead? One of my former classmates - Norah Jones. Prince is a serious musician in many areas, but when it comes to jazz, (as someone who knows the langauge) he is a dilettante - and that's AT BEST.

I don't mind that he throws that spice into his music, though. That would be like complaining, (as many Indian classical musicians do) that the Beatles had no business adding sitar to their music.

Jazz is basically a dead genre as people don't want it to change. I think experimentation is a must, but adding some pseudo-jazz noodling to your rock/funk/pop whatever isn't advancing jazz, it's advancing what he's doing at the moment. Jazz remains a dying artform because most folks in the popular music realm haven't the time to devote to something that will only cost them money, not make it. Calling Prince a jazz musican is like calling Bill Joel a classical composer. Both of them may think they are, but we know better...

thats some jive ass bullshit right there

Prince does jazzy very well.

steakfinger said:

Attempt is exactly the right word. Prince has no training and very little experience playing jazz. Jazz is not like rock, funk or the blues. You don't just wake up and start playing jazz one day just like you don't wake up and decide to wirte a novel just because you're the best blogger in the world. It is very complex it takes thinking. You don't just FEEL jazz. That comes only after YEARS of practice and study. Prince can make jazz-like noises and throw a little jazz-ish flavor on his conventional pop music, but that is totally different than jazz. Music is a language. Prince is great at a number of musical languages, but jazz is not one he's spent a lot of quality time learning. He knows a few words and phrases, but just because you can speak English, Spanish, Italian and French doens't mean you can just roll out of bed and start spewing Japanese. Trust me on this. I am a serious student of music and I've studied jazz at one of the best, (if not THE best) jazz school in the world. You want to know who can play jazz but chooses to write contemporary songs instead? One of my former classmates - Norah Jones. Prince is a serious musician in many areas, but when it comes to jazz, (as someone who knows the langauge) he is a dilettante - and that's AT BEST.

I don't mind that he throws that spice into his music, though. That would be like complaining, (as many Indian classical musicians do) that the Beatles had no business adding sitar to their music.

Jazz is basically a dead genre as people don't want it to change. I think experimentation is a must, but adding some pseudo-jazz noodling to your rock/funk/pop whatever isn't advancing jazz, it's advancing what he's doing at the moment. Jazz remains a dying artform because most folks in the popular music realm haven't the time to devote to something that will only cost them money, not make it. Calling Prince a jazz musican is like calling Bill Joel a classical composer. Both of them may think they are, but we know better...

Exactly.