uuhson said:

He's not overrated in high schools

kids(bandwagoners) these days love to pretend they love michael jackson, despite only knowing a few of his songs

True. But most are not like that, at least in my school.

It would take a genius to recognize a genius.

Every smart person seems like genius to a dumb person.

No one can be a fanatic about anything and at the same time have perspective on the same issue.

It would take some one like Mozart, with his earth shattering insights into music, to claim Prince as his peer. This thread makes no sense.

Prince is in my taste in the top ten of favorite pop musicians, going up and down the scale, where ever I am in my life.

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purplerain14 said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

Um - he's not overrated. Don't even pull that stunt. In YOUR opinion there were three great albums, but Dangerous and HIStory were great albums.

And, once again, the honorific title of KOP is not just based on music, but sales, live performances, videos, etc, yadda, yadda, yadda. There's a reason Michael is called the King Of Pop and Prince isn't.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Records_and_achievements_of_Michael_Jackson

oh its not a stunt! he is soooo completely overrated it makes me want to puke!! its not an opinion its a FACT! get over it! he will never b half as smart as prince is, no wonder prince never wanted to do anything with him! he got so much help starting his career, and prince had 0 help! so ya i would have to say u would have to b very smart and talented to become as famous and successful as prince is BY YOURSELF! plus he doesnt molest children

I'm sorry, but Prince isn't exactly smart. I love the man to death, but he ain't the sharpest tool in the shed.

Um, do you even know the stories about the beginning of Prince's career? Have you ever heard of Chris Moon? Prince was not "on his own" as you claim.

So? Michael was smart and talented too. To stay in the business that long and trump just about every other star in the business, you have be as smart as he was.

And the molesting kids part is not even funny. Give it a rest. The man was found innocent in the court of law, and if you take the time to read a book, maybe you'll find out why.

It would take a genius to recognize a genius.

Every smart person seems like genius to a dumb person.

No one can be a fanatic about anything and at the same time have perspective on the same issue.

It would take some one like Mozart, with his earth shattering insights into music, to claim Prince as his peer. This thread makes no sense.

I don't think that's necessarily true...I think it's easy for the average man to recognize that Beethoven or Tchaikovsky (one of my favourites) were geniuses.

mj didnt need to be smart to stay in the business. people were so mj crazy since the 70s, he could have taken a shit and placed it in a cd case and it would go tripple platinum

uuhson said:

mj didnt need to be smart to stay in the business. people were so mj crazy since the 70s, he could have taken a shit and placed it in a cd case and it would go tripple platinum

True.

uuhson said:

mj didnt need to be smart to stay in the business. people were so mj crazy since the 70s, he could have taken a shit and placed it in a cd case and it would go tripple platinum

That actually happened. Remember this?

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rialb said:

uuhson said:

mj didnt need to be smart to stay in the business. people were so mj crazy since the 70s, he could have taken a shit and placed it in a cd case and it would go tripple platinum

That actually happened. Remember this?

[img:$uid]http://cdn.hmvdigital.com/static/img/sleeveart/00/002/841/0000284197_500.jpg[/img:$uid]

wow, i was just about to say how i was too young till i googl'ed it. ive never even heard of this

ogiogiogi1 said:

Wholeheartedly agree. Whilst much of his output over the past 15 years or so has not been to my tastes (as much as earlier stuff), the fact that he still manages to cover such a broad spectrum of musical genres and with such ease shows how much better he is than anybody else.

In terms of the music that somebody puts out then obviously it is an objective thing when saying 'this song is better' or not. But when it comes to the raw talent required to write, play, produce and have such tight artistic control over such a wide spectrum of different types of music, then I'm afraid objectivity (to a degree) goes out of the window.

It is a fact, not an opinion, that Prince is a better musician than most (probably all) who are in the charts today. There may be better guitarists, better bass players, even people who write catchier and perhaps more complex songs. But the fact that Prince can do everything and do it all at an incredibly high level, is what makes him the greatest of all time for me.

rialb said:

uuhson said:

mj didnt need to be smart to stay in the business. people were so mj crazy since the 70s, he could have taken a shit and placed it in a cd case and it would go tripple platinum

That actually happened. Remember this?

[img:$uid]http://cdn.hmvdigital.com/static/img/sleeveart/00/002/841/0000284197_500.jpg[/img:$uid]

The original songs were alright, but the remixes were turds. Michael didn't even want to release it, but Sony made him.

^^ wow you have never heard of the album Blood On The Dancefloor, Uuhson??

the title track and Ghosts were minor hits, Ghosts was a mini-film too.

Is It Scary was a great song too, there's a cool remix of the song HIStory, but the rest is pure garbage.

the cd came after the child molestion case,

it was the first miss from Jackson, later came Invincible and Michael,

those are pretty weak as well.

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thedance said:

^^ wow you have never heard of the album Blood On The Dancefloor, Uuhson??

the title track and Ghosts were minor hits, Ghosts was a mini-film too.

Is It Scary was a great song too, there's a cool remix of the song HIStory, but the rest is pure garbage.

the cd came after the child molestion case,

it was the first miss from Jackson, later came Invincible and Michael,

those are pretty weak as well.

not that big of an mj fan, and from what i can tell it didnt chart too well here

pepper7 said:

Although you can argue that most other artists are as skilled, enough not more than Prince. Talented too, as well as Prince. But yet Prince has this eerie x-factor that no-one else possess. Maybe in the same way that Mozart did and to describe it would be impossible.

What Prince possesses as well as his many other talents is a way to connect with the audience, men and women, like no other artist. He is about incorporating something for both sexes equally. He is not just a man showing off his skills and talents - which he could easily do.

Prince is obsessed with how we listen and what pushes our buttons. He is very clever and no other artist comes anywhere near him in this catergory. I think that is why he remains so universally popular.

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i this album

smoothcriminal12 said:

And the molesting kids part is not even funny. Give it a rest. The man was found innocent in the court of law, and if you take the time to read a book, maybe you'll find out why.

You know I generally avoid this issue in all of my criticisms of Jackson. There are enough undeniable facts about how he raised his own children, that I find it pointless to discuss. However, I should point out that there is a HUGE difference between settling out of court for an undisclosed sum and being "found innocent in the court of law."

Judging by Jackson's own words and attitudes during the Bashir interview, I feel that while Jackson often had very bad judgement about what was and what wasn't appropriate to do with other people's kids, that he didn't molest or intentionally harm any children outside of his own. Even his own children, I think he only harmed as a result of mental illness, not acting out of any malice whatsoever.

Imaginative said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

And the molesting kids part is not even funny. Give it a rest. The man was found innocent in the court of law, and if you take the time to read a book, maybe you'll find out why.

You know I generally avoid this issue in all of my criticisms of Jackson. There are enough undeniable facts about how he raised his own children, that I find it pointless to discuss. However, I should point out that there is a HUGE difference between settling out of court for an undisclosed sum and being "found innocent in the court of law."

Nope, he was found innocent. Remember the 2005 child molestation trial? He never settled then and won by a landslide. The settling for an undisclosed sum took place in 1993 when Jordan Chandler's Dad sued Michael. He settled in the civil suit and once the family got the money they decided not to pursue a criminal case.

Judging by Jackson's own words and attitudes during the Bashir interview, I feel that while Jackson often had very bad judgement about what was and what wasn't appropriate to do with other people's kids, that he didn't molest or intentionally harm any children outside of his own. Even his own children, I think he only harmed as a result of mental illness, not acting out of any malice whatsoever.

I think we all agree that he had very bad judgement when it came to other children. He was very naive.

Correction

The Greatest of the 80's

and he should be on the Top10 of Greatest of All-Time

smoothcriminal12 said:

Imaginative said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

You know I generally avoid this issue in all of my criticisms of Jackson. There are enough undeniable facts about how he raised his own children, that I find it pointless to discuss. However, I should point out that there is a HUGE difference between settling out of court for an undisclosed sum and being "found innocent in the court of law."

Nope, he was found innocent. Remember the 2005 child molestation trial? He never settled then and won by a landslide. The settling for an undisclosed sum took place in 1993 when Jordan Chandler's Dad sued Michael. He settled in the civil suit and once the family got the money they decided not to pursue a criminal case.

Judging by Jackson's own words and attitudes during the Bashir interview, I feel that while Jackson often had very bad judgement about what was and what wasn't appropriate to do with other people's kids, that he didn't molest or intentionally harm any children outside of his own. Even his own children, I think he only harmed as a result of mental illness, not acting out of any malice whatsoever.

I think we all agree that he had very bad judgement when it came to other children. He was very naive.

Right, and the verdict of '95 doesn't address the '93 charges where he settled out of court. You do understand that, right? Again, I do think he was innocent, but we have know way of knowing for sure the truth re: '93, is what I'm saying.

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Imaginative said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

Right, and the verdict of '95 doesn't address the '93 charges where he settled out of court. You do understand that, right? Again, I do think he was innocent, but we have know way of knowing for sure the truth re: '93, is what I'm saying.

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I'm aware, I wasn't saying that it does though address the 93 charges though (although June Chandler was called to the stand to testify, and I think Jordan Chandler was going to testify for the defense). I know what you mean. Even I have my doubts about '93.

smoothcriminal12 said:

uuhson said:
prince never needed a producer

Bono once said he should use one sometimes.

MickyDolenz said:

uuhson said:
prince never needed a producer

Bono once said he should use one sometimes.

bono is an idiot

uuhson said:

1. Elvis Presley

I am dead on that one too. LOL. Elvis Presley! Haha. YES...to each is own, but I can't even associate elvis in my life at all..he is soo BLAND! UGh..haha

EyeJester7 said:

uuhson said:

I am dead on that one too. LOL. Elvis Presley! Haha. YES...to each is own, but I can't even associate elvis in my life at all..he is soo BLAND! UGh..haha

not to mention the fact that he didnt even write his music, with some very small exceptions

purplerain14 said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

Um - he's not overrated. Don't even pull that stunt. In YOUR opinion there were three great albums, but Dangerous and HIStory were great albums.

And, once again, the honorific title of KOP is not just based on music, but sales, live performances, videos, etc, yadda, yadda, yadda. There's a reason Michael is called the King Of Pop and Prince isn't.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Records_and_achievements_of_Michael_Jackson

oh its not a stunt! he is soooo completely overrated it makes me want to puke!! its not an opinion its a FACT! get over it! he will never b half as smart as prince is, no wonder prince never wanted to do anything with him! he got so much help starting his career, and prince had 0 help! so ya i would have to say u would have to b very smart and talented to become as famous and successful as prince is BY YOURSELF! plus he doesnt molest children

Now, I don't mean to be disrespectful & to change the whole tone of this thread, but the last comment was necessary for many reasons. Michael Jackson did NOT molest children, that is taking it too far. Regardless of what the media painted MJ to be, and what sometimes MJ demonstrated through some of his eccentricities; I think it's highly unreasonable to make the claim he molested children. Not only is MJ dead, (It would not make a greater difference if he was alive, but it is just insensitive of you to say now that he is gone.) You don't have to slam MJ to praise Prince, you can simply state your reasons without putting down someone else. Just saying, it's all in Love, I'm not implying you are anything outside of what you demonstrated in your comment. Peace & love.

Sad some of you guys can't even keep your focus on your man when someone else's name is brought up.

TylerHippie said:

I'm sorry, but Prince is the greatest ever. I said it like that because some people migh say James Brown, Elvis, Hendrix or even Mozart are better than him.

He's the most interesting artist ever. I tell all my friends "until you listen to all of Prince albums, he's the greatest ever".

People get so caught up on his image, that they forget the music. When ever I have a Prince vs you know who debate, I always say, "Bro, go check out 1999 and Sign O' The Times".

Prince is just insane though, I love to tell them that Prince was the cause for the "Parental Advisery" sticker.

I love that man.

prince is the greatest living artist...who is able to do anything meaningfull.

1)michael jackson

2)the beatles

3)prince

4)elvis presley

5)led zepplin

thedance said:

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^ THIS guy is the most Overrated artist,

Off The Wall,

Thriller,

Bad

>>> 3 amazing albums, and then some great singles from Dangerous and HIStory.

3 brilliant albums does not make him KOP imo....

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i strongly disagree, off the wall,thriller, and bad, are MASTERPIECES dangerous and history are GREAT as well, but michael also revolutionized music videos and dance.. he was not only a musical genius but also an innovator, he broke barriers and DOES deserve his title.